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PostGameOrangeSlices said:HardlyClothed said:
Was it? The Iraqi invasion was repelled and it ended in stalemate with the Iranian regime still in place and close to a million dead on each side when the fighting ended. Of course an idiot like you thinks that’s brilliant “realpolitik”. Mass unnecessarily death for the sake of your high-minded “realpolitik”. Was overthrowing Saddam in ‘03 brilliant “realpolitik” as well?SFGbob said:
Supporting Saddam was great realpolitikHardlyClothed said:Supporting Saddam in the brutal Iran-Iraq war was bad enough, but these chickenhawks think we should’ve gotten our own troops involved and bombed a few thousand Persians ourselves. Just a “common sense” response to an “act of war” like seizing an embassy.
I like to blame America for Sunni vs Shia violence
How much sectarian violence was there in Iraq before we made it explode in 2003? -
Answer the fucking question, @HardlyClothed.HardlyClothed said:
“Destabilizing the region” like when they prevented ISIS from sweeping through Damascus and Baghdad in 2015? I’m not big on Iran but pretending they’ve been a bigger force for destabilization than the Saudis is laughable. Or the single biggest event that destabilized the region in the 21st century, the Iraq War.YellowSnow said:
No shit Sherlock. Iran is and has never been an existential threat in the way Nazi Germany was. But how can you have deterrence without a credible threat of force. Iran has is led by radical religious zealots and has been destabilizing the region for 40 years. If we had made them pay in 1979 the world would be a better place. Our getting it wrong on Iraq War 2.0 doesn’t change this.HardlyClothed said:
Modern Iran is just like Nazi Germany. We must defeat them into total submission in order to secure us from their nefarious activity.RaceBannon said:
We're rooting for AmericaHardlyClothed said:YellowSnow said:
Many of our problems in the Middle East (and Persia) stem from our not going in dry on the Ayatollah in 1979. That was an act of war that required blowing them back into the stone age. Embassies are sovereign soil.RaceBannon said:
ThisPurpleThrobber said:
We? should have gone in hard without lube on Saddam during Desert Swarm when the entire fucking world was on our? side.YellowSnow said:
Yes, theHardlyClothed said:
The good option was to do nothing. Saddam didn’t have WMD and the IAEA said so in 2002, which the Bush admin sought to discredit. We should listen to the people that do the inspections, and probably the people who were against the war from the outset. Removing Saddam was far more disastrous for regional stability than letting him remain in power would have been.YellowSnow said:
I voted for the invasion, but in hindsight feel it was a mistake and have apologized for it. That said, it wasn't like leaving Saddam in power was a great option either for stability in the region and international precedent when it comes to WMD inspections regimes. It's much like Vietnam in this respeck in that there weren't a lot of good options on the table.HardlyClothed said:
I just wanted his answer on if we should have overthrown Saddam in ‘03 so we could all see how dumb he is.RaceBannon said:Asked and answered @HardlyClothed
You don't have to like the answer
Do unto to others before they do it to you
Do you agree with the Death to America sentiment in the mid east? Who are you rooting for?
I don’t think the response to Death to America sentiment is to wage endless war against them and wasting our blood and treasure.goodless bad option was to leave him in power.
Then pivoted and rammed it hard into Iran after a brief refractory period just because we? were tanned and ready.
I remember 1979 as one of the working stiffs when I saw a guy with a Bomb Iran shirt
Should have nipped that shit in the bud
Come see the chickenhawks call for more pointless brutal war. What great threat does modern Iran represent that we needed to level their country now or 40 years ago.YellowSnow said:
Many of our problems in the Middle East (and Persia) stem from our not going in dry on the Ayatollah in 1979. That was an act of war that required blowing them back into the stone age. Embassies are sovereign soil.RaceBannon said:
ThisPurpleThrobber said:
We? should have gone in hard without lube on Saddam during Desert Swarm when the entire fucking world was on our? side.YellowSnow said:
Yes, theHardlyClothed said:
The good option was to do nothing. Saddam didn’t have WMD and the IAEA said so in 2002, which the Bush admin sought to discredit. We should listen to the people that do the inspections, and probably the people who were against the war from the outset. Removing Saddam was far more disastrous for regional stability than letting him remain in power would have been.YellowSnow said:
I voted for the invasion, but in hindsight feel it was a mistake and have apologized for it. That said, it wasn't like leaving Saddam in power was a great option either for stability in the region and international precedent when it comes to WMD inspections regimes. It's much like Vietnam in this respeck in that there weren't a lot of good options on the table.HardlyClothed said:
I just wanted his answer on if we should have overthrown Saddam in ‘03 so we could all see how dumb he is.RaceBannon said:Asked and answered @HardlyClothed
You don't have to like the answer
Do unto to others before they do it to you
Do you agree with the Death to America sentiment in the mid east? Who are you rooting for?
I don’t think the response to Death to America sentiment is to wage endless war against them and wasting our blood and treasure.goodless bad option was to leave him in power.
Then pivoted and rammed it hard into Iran after a brief refractory period just because we? were tanned and ready.
I remember 1979 as one of the working stiffs when I saw a guy with a Bomb Iran shirt
Should have nipped that shit in the bud
I understand that you aren't
Agree to disagree
You let someone attack without consequence they keep attacking. You would have made a great Hitler apologist too
Were the foreign US embassy get-togethers terrorism or, nah?
Buck up, buttercup. -
A shitload. Like since forever.HardlyClothed said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:HardlyClothed said:
Was it? The Iraqi invasion was repelled and it ended in stalemate with the Iranian regime still in place and close to a million dead on each side when the fighting ended. Of course an idiot like you thinks that’s brilliant “realpolitik”. Mass unnecessarily death for the sake of your high-minded “realpolitik”. Was overthrowing Saddam in ‘03 brilliant “realpolitik” as well?SFGbob said:
Supporting Saddam was great realpolitikHardlyClothed said:Supporting Saddam in the brutal Iran-Iraq war was bad enough, but these chickenhawks think we should’ve gotten our own troops involved and bombed a few thousand Persians ourselves. Just a “common sense” response to an “act of war” like seizing an embassy.
I like to blame America for Sunni vs Shia violence
How much sectarian violence was there in Iraq before we made it explode in 2003?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarian_violence_in_Iraq
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100,000 dead Kurds, 200,000 dead Shiia and 1.8 million refugees in the post-war suppression by Hussein in 1991 would say the sectarian violence before 2003 was significant.HardlyClothed said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:HardlyClothed said:
Was it? The Iraqi invasion was repelled and it ended in stalemate with the Iranian regime still in place and close to a million dead on each side when the fighting ended. Of course an idiot like you thinks that’s brilliant “realpolitik”. Mass unnecessarily death for the sake of your high-minded “realpolitik”. Was overthrowing Saddam in ‘03 brilliant “realpolitik” as well?SFGbob said:
Supporting Saddam was great realpolitikHardlyClothed said:Supporting Saddam in the brutal Iran-Iraq war was bad enough, but these chickenhawks think we should’ve gotten our own troops involved and bombed a few thousand Persians ourselves. Just a “common sense” response to an “act of war” like seizing an embassy.
I like to blame America for Sunni vs Shia violence
How much sectarian violence was there in Iraq before we made it explode in 2003? -
Calling it terrorism or an act of war is subjective so fuck your terms. None of the hostages were eventually killed? So is psychological terrorism a better term? Who fucking cares.MisterEm said:
Answer the fucking question, @HardlyClothed.HardlyClothed said:
“Destabilizing the region” like when they prevented ISIS from sweeping through Damascus and Baghdad in 2015? I’m not big on Iran but pretending they’ve been a bigger force for destabilization than the Saudis is laughable. Or the single biggest event that destabilized the region in the 21st century, the Iraq War.YellowSnow said:
No shit Sherlock. Iran is and has never been an existential threat in the way Nazi Germany was. But how can you have deterrence without a credible threat of force. Iran has is led by radical religious zealots and has been destabilizing the region for 40 years. If we had made them pay in 1979 the world would be a better place. Our getting it wrong on Iraq War 2.0 doesn’t change this.HardlyClothed said:
Modern Iran is just like Nazi Germany. We must defeat them into total submission in order to secure us from their nefarious activity.RaceBannon said:
We're rooting for AmericaHardlyClothed said:YellowSnow said:
Many of our problems in the Middle East (and Persia) stem from our not going in dry on the Ayatollah in 1979. That was an act of war that required blowing them back into the stone age. Embassies are sovereign soil.RaceBannon said:
ThisPurpleThrobber said:
We? should have gone in hard without lube on Saddam during Desert Swarm when the entire fucking world was on our? side.YellowSnow said:
Yes, theHardlyClothed said:
The good option was to do nothing. Saddam didn’t have WMD and the IAEA said so in 2002, which the Bush admin sought to discredit. We should listen to the people that do the inspections, and probably the people who were against the war from the outset. Removing Saddam was far more disastrous for regional stability than letting him remain in power would have been.YellowSnow said:
I voted for the invasion, but in hindsight feel it was a mistake and have apologized for it. That said, it wasn't like leaving Saddam in power was a great option either for stability in the region and international precedent when it comes to WMD inspections regimes. It's much like Vietnam in this respeck in that there weren't a lot of good options on the table.HardlyClothed said:
I just wanted his answer on if we should have overthrown Saddam in ‘03 so we could all see how dumb he is.RaceBannon said:Asked and answered @HardlyClothed
You don't have to like the answer
Do unto to others before they do it to you
Do you agree with the Death to America sentiment in the mid east? Who are you rooting for?
I don’t think the response to Death to America sentiment is to wage endless war against them and wasting our blood and treasure.goodless bad option was to leave him in power.
Then pivoted and rammed it hard into Iran after a brief refractory period just because we? were tanned and ready.
I remember 1979 as one of the working stiffs when I saw a guy with a Bomb Iran shirt
Should have nipped that shit in the bud
Come see the chickenhawks call for more pointless brutal war. What great threat does modern Iran represent that we needed to level their country now or 40 years ago.YellowSnow said:
Many of our problems in the Middle East (and Persia) stem from our not going in dry on the Ayatollah in 1979. That was an act of war that required blowing them back into the stone age. Embassies are sovereign soil.RaceBannon said:
ThisPurpleThrobber said:
We? should have gone in hard without lube on Saddam during Desert Swarm when the entire fucking world was on our? side.YellowSnow said:
Yes, theHardlyClothed said:
The good option was to do nothing. Saddam didn’t have WMD and the IAEA said so in 2002, which the Bush admin sought to discredit. We should listen to the people that do the inspections, and probably the people who were against the war from the outset. Removing Saddam was far more disastrous for regional stability than letting him remain in power would have been.YellowSnow said:
I voted for the invasion, but in hindsight feel it was a mistake and have apologized for it. That said, it wasn't like leaving Saddam in power was a great option either for stability in the region and international precedent when it comes to WMD inspections regimes. It's much like Vietnam in this respeck in that there weren't a lot of good options on the table.HardlyClothed said:
I just wanted his answer on if we should have overthrown Saddam in ‘03 so we could all see how dumb he is.RaceBannon said:Asked and answered @HardlyClothed
You don't have to like the answer
Do unto to others before they do it to you
Do you agree with the Death to America sentiment in the mid east? Who are you rooting for?
I don’t think the response to Death to America sentiment is to wage endless war against them and wasting our blood and treasure.goodless bad option was to leave him in power.
Then pivoted and rammed it hard into Iran after a brief refractory period just because we? were tanned and ready.
I remember 1979 as one of the working stiffs when I saw a guy with a Bomb Iran shirt
Should have nipped that shit in the bud
I understand that you aren't
Agree to disagree
You let someone attack without consequence they keep attacking. You would have made a great Hitler apologist too
Were the foreign US embassy get-togethers terrorism or, nah?
Buck up, buttercup.
Should we have killed Iranians in retaliation? Yes or no? All of you regime change cheerleaders want to. What does calling the embassy seizures “terrorism” do but justify another stupid, pointless war of regime change. -
Note to HC: It's 20-Fucking-19.HardlyClothed said:
Calling it terrorism or an act of war is subjective so fuck your terms. None of the hostages were eventually killed? So is psychological terrorism a better term? Who fucking cares.MisterEm said:
Answer the fucking question, @HardlyClothed.HardlyClothed said:
“Destabilizing the region” like when they prevented ISIS from sweeping through Damascus and Baghdad in 2015? I’m not big on Iran but pretending they’ve been a bigger force for destabilization than the Saudis is laughable. Or the single biggest event that destabilized the region in the 21st century, the Iraq War.YellowSnow said:
No shit Sherlock. Iran is and has never been an existential threat in the way Nazi Germany was. But how can you have deterrence without a credible threat of force. Iran has is led by radical religious zealots and has been destabilizing the region for 40 years. If we had made them pay in 1979 the world would be a better place. Our getting it wrong on Iraq War 2.0 doesn’t change this.HardlyClothed said:
Modern Iran is just like Nazi Germany. We must defeat them into total submission in order to secure us from their nefarious activity.RaceBannon said:
We're rooting for AmericaHardlyClothed said:YellowSnow said:
Many of our problems in the Middle East (and Persia) stem from our not going in dry on the Ayatollah in 1979. That was an act of war that required blowing them back into the stone age. Embassies are sovereign soil.RaceBannon said:
ThisPurpleThrobber said:
We? should have gone in hard without lube on Saddam during Desert Swarm when the entire fucking world was on our? side.YellowSnow said:
Yes, theHardlyClothed said:
The good option was to do nothing. Saddam didn’t have WMD and the IAEA said so in 2002, which the Bush admin sought to discredit. We should listen to the people that do the inspections, and probably the people who were against the war from the outset. Removing Saddam was far more disastrous for regional stability than letting him remain in power would have been.YellowSnow said:
I voted for the invasion, but in hindsight feel it was a mistake and have apologized for it. That said, it wasn't like leaving Saddam in power was a great option either for stability in the region and international precedent when it comes to WMD inspections regimes. It's much like Vietnam in this respeck in that there weren't a lot of good options on the table.HardlyClothed said:
I just wanted his answer on if we should have overthrown Saddam in ‘03 so we could all see how dumb he is.RaceBannon said:Asked and answered @HardlyClothed
You don't have to like the answer
Do unto to others before they do it to you
Do you agree with the Death to America sentiment in the mid east? Who are you rooting for?
I don’t think the response to Death to America sentiment is to wage endless war against them and wasting our blood and treasure.goodless bad option was to leave him in power.
Then pivoted and rammed it hard into Iran after a brief refractory period just because we? were tanned and ready.
I remember 1979 as one of the working stiffs when I saw a guy with a Bomb Iran shirt
Should have nipped that shit in the bud
Come see the chickenhawks call for more pointless brutal war. What great threat does modern Iran represent that we needed to level their country now or 40 years ago.YellowSnow said:
Many of our problems in the Middle East (and Persia) stem from our not going in dry on the Ayatollah in 1979. That was an act of war that required blowing them back into the stone age. Embassies are sovereign soil.RaceBannon said:
ThisPurpleThrobber said:
We? should have gone in hard without lube on Saddam during Desert Swarm when the entire fucking world was on our? side.YellowSnow said:
Yes, theHardlyClothed said:
The good option was to do nothing. Saddam didn’t have WMD and the IAEA said so in 2002, which the Bush admin sought to discredit. We should listen to the people that do the inspections, and probably the people who were against the war from the outset. Removing Saddam was far more disastrous for regional stability than letting him remain in power would have been.YellowSnow said:
I voted for the invasion, but in hindsight feel it was a mistake and have apologized for it. That said, it wasn't like leaving Saddam in power was a great option either for stability in the region and international precedent when it comes to WMD inspections regimes. It's much like Vietnam in this respeck in that there weren't a lot of good options on the table.HardlyClothed said:
I just wanted his answer on if we should have overthrown Saddam in ‘03 so we could all see how dumb he is.RaceBannon said:Asked and answered @HardlyClothed
You don't have to like the answer
Do unto to others before they do it to you
Do you agree with the Death to America sentiment in the mid east? Who are you rooting for?
I don’t think the response to Death to America sentiment is to wage endless war against them and wasting our blood and treasure.goodless bad option was to leave him in power.
Then pivoted and rammed it hard into Iran after a brief refractory period just because we? were tanned and ready.
I remember 1979 as one of the working stiffs when I saw a guy with a Bomb Iran shirt
Should have nipped that shit in the bud
I understand that you aren't
Agree to disagree
You let someone attack without consequence they keep attacking. You would have made a great Hitler apologist too
Were the foreign US embassy get-togethers terrorism or, nah?
Buck up, buttercup.
Should we have killed Iranians in retaliation? Yes or no? All of you regime change cheerleaders want to. What does calling the embassy seizures “terrorism” do but justify another stupid, pointless war of regime change. -
Good thing we weighed that before going in. How could we have known that creating a power vacuum would explode sectarian tensions into violence when the Iraqis would welcome us like liberated Parisians according to Cheney.TurdBuffer said:
100,000 dead Kurds, 200,000 dead Shiia and 1.8 million refugees in the post-war suppression by Hussein in 1991 would say the sectarian violence before 2003 was significant.HardlyClothed said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:HardlyClothed said:
Was it? The Iraqi invasion was repelled and it ended in stalemate with the Iranian regime still in place and close to a million dead on each side when the fighting ended. Of course an idiot like you thinks that’s brilliant “realpolitik”. Mass unnecessarily death for the sake of your high-minded “realpolitik”. Was overthrowing Saddam in ‘03 brilliant “realpolitik” as well?SFGbob said:
Supporting Saddam was great realpolitikHardlyClothed said:Supporting Saddam in the brutal Iran-Iraq war was bad enough, but these chickenhawks think we should’ve gotten our own troops involved and bombed a few thousand Persians ourselves. Just a “common sense” response to an “act of war” like seizing an embassy.
I like to blame America for Sunni vs Shia violence
How much sectarian violence was there in Iraq before we made it explode in 2003? -
And chickenhawks on here still want to go to war because of a fucking embassy seizure 40 years ago where no one was killed.TurdBuffer said:
Note to HC: It's 20-Fucking-19.HardlyClothed said:
Calling it terrorism or an act of war is subjective so fuck your terms. None of the hostages were eventually killed? So is psychological terrorism a better term? Who fucking cares.MisterEm said:
Answer the fucking question, @HardlyClothed.HardlyClothed said:
“Destabilizing the region” like when they prevented ISIS from sweeping through Damascus and Baghdad in 2015? I’m not big on Iran but pretending they’ve been a bigger force for destabilization than the Saudis is laughable. Or the single biggest event that destabilized the region in the 21st century, the Iraq War.YellowSnow said:
No shit Sherlock. Iran is and has never been an existential threat in the way Nazi Germany was. But how can you have deterrence without a credible threat of force. Iran has is led by radical religious zealots and has been destabilizing the region for 40 years. If we had made them pay in 1979 the world would be a better place. Our getting it wrong on Iraq War 2.0 doesn’t change this.HardlyClothed said:
Modern Iran is just like Nazi Germany. We must defeat them into total submission in order to secure us from their nefarious activity.RaceBannon said:
We're rooting for AmericaHardlyClothed said:YellowSnow said:
Many of our problems in the Middle East (and Persia) stem from our not going in dry on the Ayatollah in 1979. That was an act of war that required blowing them back into the stone age. Embassies are sovereign soil.RaceBannon said:
ThisPurpleThrobber said:
We? should have gone in hard without lube on Saddam during Desert Swarm when the entire fucking world was on our? side.YellowSnow said:
Yes, theHardlyClothed said:
The good option was to do nothing. Saddam didn’t have WMD and the IAEA said so in 2002, which the Bush admin sought to discredit. We should listen to the people that do the inspections, and probably the people who were against the war from the outset. Removing Saddam was far more disastrous for regional stability than letting him remain in power would have been.YellowSnow said:
I voted for the invasion, but in hindsight feel it was a mistake and have apologized for it. That said, it wasn't like leaving Saddam in power was a great option either for stability in the region and international precedent when it comes to WMD inspections regimes. It's much like Vietnam in this respeck in that there weren't a lot of good options on the table.HardlyClothed said:
I just wanted his answer on if we should have overthrown Saddam in ‘03 so we could all see how dumb he is.RaceBannon said:Asked and answered @HardlyClothed
You don't have to like the answer
Do unto to others before they do it to you
Do you agree with the Death to America sentiment in the mid east? Who are you rooting for?
I don’t think the response to Death to America sentiment is to wage endless war against them and wasting our blood and treasure.goodless bad option was to leave him in power.
Then pivoted and rammed it hard into Iran after a brief refractory period just because we? were tanned and ready.
I remember 1979 as one of the working stiffs when I saw a guy with a Bomb Iran shirt
Should have nipped that shit in the bud
Come see the chickenhawks call for more pointless brutal war. What great threat does modern Iran represent that we needed to level their country now or 40 years ago.YellowSnow said:
Many of our problems in the Middle East (and Persia) stem from our not going in dry on the Ayatollah in 1979. That was an act of war that required blowing them back into the stone age. Embassies are sovereign soil.RaceBannon said:
ThisPurpleThrobber said:
We? should have gone in hard without lube on Saddam during Desert Swarm when the entire fucking world was on our? side.YellowSnow said:
Yes, theHardlyClothed said:
The good option was to do nothing. Saddam didn’t have WMD and the IAEA said so in 2002, which the Bush admin sought to discredit. We should listen to the people that do the inspections, and probably the people who were against the war from the outset. Removing Saddam was far more disastrous for regional stability than letting him remain in power would have been.YellowSnow said:
I voted for the invasion, but in hindsight feel it was a mistake and have apologized for it. That said, it wasn't like leaving Saddam in power was a great option either for stability in the region and international precedent when it comes to WMD inspections regimes. It's much like Vietnam in this respeck in that there weren't a lot of good options on the table.HardlyClothed said:
I just wanted his answer on if we should have overthrown Saddam in ‘03 so we could all see how dumb he is.RaceBannon said:Asked and answered @HardlyClothed
You don't have to like the answer
Do unto to others before they do it to you
Do you agree with the Death to America sentiment in the mid east? Who are you rooting for?
I don’t think the response to Death to America sentiment is to wage endless war against them and wasting our blood and treasure.goodless bad option was to leave him in power.
Then pivoted and rammed it hard into Iran after a brief refractory period just because we? were tanned and ready.
I remember 1979 as one of the working stiffs when I saw a guy with a Bomb Iran shirt
Should have nipped that shit in the bud
I understand that you aren't
Agree to disagree
You let someone attack without consequence they keep attacking. You would have made a great Hitler apologist too
Were the foreign US embassy get-togethers terrorism or, nah?
Buck up, buttercup.
Should we have killed Iranians in retaliation? Yes or no? All of you regime change cheerleaders want to. What does calling the embassy seizures “terrorism” do but justify another stupid, pointless war of regime change.
How many morons say “we invaded the wrong country” in 2003 as if a war in Iran wouldn’t have been just as doomed. They also had nothing to do with 9/11 for posterity’s sake. -
This is NOT what the HuPo told him to think.TurdBuffer said:
100,000 dead Kurds, 200,000 dead Shiia and 1.8 million refugees in the post-war suppression by Hussein in 1991 would say the sectarian violence before 2003 was significant.HardlyClothed said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:HardlyClothed said:
Was it? The Iraqi invasion was repelled and it ended in stalemate with the Iranian regime still in place and close to a million dead on each side when the fighting ended. Of course an idiot like you thinks that’s brilliant “realpolitik”. Mass unnecessarily death for the sake of your high-minded “realpolitik”. Was overthrowing Saddam in ‘03 brilliant “realpolitik” as well?SFGbob said:
Supporting Saddam was great realpolitikHardlyClothed said:Supporting Saddam in the brutal Iran-Iraq war was bad enough, but these chickenhawks think we should’ve gotten our own troops involved and bombed a few thousand Persians ourselves. Just a “common sense” response to an “act of war” like seizing an embassy.
I like to blame America for Sunni vs Shia violence
How much sectarian violence was there in Iraq before we made it explode in 2003? -
After 9/11 our foreign policy should have been like the end of Godfather Part I. Settle business with all of the families. NK, Iraq and Iran.




