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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

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    YellowSnow said:

    My basic elevator speech hasn't changed much since HS...

    Earth = 4.5 billion years old

    Simple life emerges 600 million years ago

    Dinosaurs for like 200 millions years

    Early modern homo sapiens don't arrive until 200,000 years ago

    Then 2,000 years ago in the most bass akwards part of the world (not Rome or China mind you) amongst a bunch of bronze age goat herders, the most important even in the history of the planet occurs, followed by a Roman Emperor needing a new state religion three centuries later.

    I need more evidence guys and can't take on faith. But that's just me, and believing that we're simply worm dirt when we die ain't for everyone.

    Mrs. Snow is a confirmed papist, but more of a deist these days. I told her she can take on a new boyfriend in heaven if I don't get in.

    ATBSJBS, I'm thankful for the Protestant Reformation and the good that it did in creating the modern world.

    Some say it takes more faith not to believe than to believe.
    Well, yeah, if I’m wrong, the consequences are dire. Eternal damnation sounds like a real bummer.
    The point is, you have faith.
    I don’t stress about it much. The burden of proof is not on me after all. I don’t make any metaphysical claims.
    I didn’t assert you stressed. Just stated a fact. Yet some would suggest “life emerges” is a metaphysical claim.
    Some are wrong. There's no metaphysical claim with "life emerges", rather, we're? just saying we don't know yet (and may never know). But not knowing the answer doesn't equate to evidence of magic or that the laws of physics were suspended this one time.

    At the end of the day, I stand by Saint Chris Hitchens point, which is to say that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
    Yes… it can be. Which is why “life emerges” 600 million years ago requires faith. Because it can be dismissed without evidence.

    My bro in law has a PHD in chemistry. From UW in the mid 90s. He runs a big department of about 200 people doing top secret shit. His journey to Christianity was chinteresting (or not). The deeper he got into science and his field, he could no longer ignore that God exists. Until he then accepted Christ. He’s not the only scientist I know who went through this. It doesn’t prove or disprove anything. I just find it compelling when people deep into chemistry, biology, archaeology, astronomy, etc either become Christian’s or their faith deepens.
    It takes a whole lot more faith to believe the entirety of the universe came together by a series of unrelated cells, minerals, atoms and events than to accept that perhaps there is some master designer that built it.


    That’s my point. Im an atheist though. But I understand the benefit religion has in organization and maintaining a civil society throughout history and today. I’m not anti religion. Atheists who lose their shit over religion are fucking annoying. They are usually arrogant smug pricks as well.
    Read my first post in this thread.

    I appreciate my mainline Protestant heritage.
    Sounds like you have picked your pascal's wager quadrant and are ok with the lower left.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,435 Founders Club
    Sermon Seeker - TRUE believer in REAL God (protestant division)
    1to392831weretaken said:

    I get the feeling any minute now one of these sides is going to convince the other. We're almost there...

    The internet basically killed the argument. Kind of weird to see it pop back up

    Everyone knows both sides by heart by now
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    StateChampWereU said:

    Reading this board Nihilism seems the overwhelming winner loser

    It doesn't matter. Nothing matters. Husky football doesn't matter. NOC
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  • 1to392831weretaken
    1to392831weretaken Member Posts: 7,696
    Flying spaghetti monsterinan - God's not real you fucking idiot
    RaceBannon said:

    1to392831weretaken said:

    I get the feeling any minute now one of these sides is going to convince the other. We're almost there...

    The internet basically killed the argument. Kind of weird to see it pop back up

    Everyone knows both sides by heart by now
    I think everyone just needs to branch out and try a new scripture. I recommend these two bibles.
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,805 Swaye's Wigwam
    Deist - some God of some sort is out there, somewhere
    MikeDamone said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

    My basic elevator speech hasn't changed much since HS...

    Earth = 4.5 billion years old

    Simple life emerges 600 million years ago

    Dinosaurs for like 200 millions years

    Early modern homo sapiens don't arrive until 200,000 years ago

    Then 2,000 years ago in the most bass akwards part of the world (not Rome or China mind you) amongst a bunch of bronze age goat herders, the most important even in the history of the planet occurs, followed by a Roman Emperor needing a new state religion three centuries later.

    I need more evidence guys and can't take on faith. But that's just me, and believing that we're simply worm dirt when we die ain't for everyone.

    Mrs. Snow is a confirmed papist, but more of a deist these days. I told her she can take on a new boyfriend in heaven if I don't get in.

    ATBSJBS, I'm thankful for the Protestant Reformation and the good that it did in creating the modern world.

    Some say it takes more faith not to believe than to believe.
    Well, yeah, if I’m wrong, the consequences are dire. Eternal damnation sounds like a real bummer.
    The point is, you have faith.
    I don’t stress about it much. The burden of proof is not on me after all. I don’t make any metaphysical claims.
    I didn’t assert you stressed. Just stated a fact. Yet some would suggest “life emerges” is a metaphysical claim.
    Some are wrong. There's no metaphysical claim with "life emerges", rather, we're? just saying we don't know yet (and may never know). But not knowing the answer doesn't equate to evidence of magic or that the laws of physics were suspended this one time.

    At the end of the day, I stand by Saint Chris Hitchens point, which is to say that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
    Yes… it can be. Which is why “life emerges” 600 million years ago requires faith. Because it can be dismissed without evidence.

    My bro in law has a PHD in chemistry. From UW in the mid 90s. He runs a big department of about 200 people doing top secret shit. His journey to Christianity was chinteresting (or not). The deeper he got into science and his field, he could no longer ignore that God exists. Until he then accepted Christ. He’s not the only scientist I know who went through this. It doesn’t prove or disprove anything. I just find it compelling when people deep into chemistry, biology, archaeology, astronomy, etc either become Christian’s or their faith deepens.
    It takes a whole lot more faith to believe the entirety of the universe came together by a series of unrelated cells, minerals, atoms and events than to accept that perhaps there is some master designer that built it.


    That’s my point. Im an atheist though. But I understand the benefit religion has in organization and maintaining a civil society throughout history and today. I’m not anti religion. Atheists who lose their shit over religion are fucking annoying. They are usually arrogant smug pricks as well. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is a stupid schtick. Some very intelligent and enlightened people throughout history aren’t so dismissive and flippant about it. Calling people of faith idiots show inability to think abstractly and see a picture.
    I remember my calling non-atheists idiots stage.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

    My basic elevator speech hasn't changed much since HS...

    Earth = 4.5 billion years old

    Simple life emerges 600 million years ago

    Dinosaurs for like 200 millions years

    Early modern homo sapiens don't arrive until 200,000 years ago

    Then 2,000 years ago in the most bass akwards part of the world (not Rome or China mind you) amongst a bunch of bronze age goat herders, the most important even in the history of the planet occurs, followed by a Roman Emperor needing a new state religion three centuries later.

    I need more evidence guys and can't take on faith. But that's just me, and believing that we're simply worm dirt when we die ain't for everyone.

    Mrs. Snow is a confirmed papist, but more of a deist these days. I told her she can take on a new boyfriend in heaven if I don't get in.

    ATBSJBS, I'm thankful for the Protestant Reformation and the good that it did in creating the modern world.

    Some say it takes more faith not to believe than to believe.
    Well, yeah, if I’m wrong, the consequences are dire. Eternal damnation sounds like a real bummer.
    The point is, you have faith.
    I don’t stress about it much. The burden of proof is not on me after all. I don’t make any metaphysical claims.
    I didn’t assert you stressed. Just stated a fact. Yet some would suggest “life emerges” is a metaphysical claim.
    Some are wrong. There's no metaphysical claim with "life emerges", rather, we're? just saying we don't know yet (and may never know). But not knowing the answer doesn't equate to evidence of magic or that the laws of physics were suspended this one time.

    At the end of the day, I stand by Saint Chris Hitchens point, which is to say that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
    Yes… it can be. Which is why “life emerges” 600 million years ago requires faith. Because it can be dismissed without evidence.

    My bro in law has a PHD in chemistry. From UW in the mid 90s. He runs a big department of about 200 people doing top secret shit. His journey to Christianity was chinteresting (or not). The deeper he got into science and his field, he could no longer ignore that God exists. Until he then accepted Christ. He’s not the only scientist I know who went through this. It doesn’t prove or disprove anything. I just find it compelling when people deep into chemistry, biology, archaeology, astronomy, etc either become Christian’s or their faith deepens.
    It takes a whole lot more faith to believe the entirety of the universe came together by a series of unrelated cells, minerals, atoms and events than to accept that perhaps there is some master designer that built it.


    How do you figure? That we haven't unraveled the mysteries of the Big Bang doesn't make it more likely that there was/is a master designer than not. And furthermore, it's big leap to get from "the origins of the Universe are complicated" to the Nicaean Creed.

    It’s also a big leap to think it started from nothing. Like I said, I’m an atheist. Mostly because I’m lazy. If I were motivated I’d probably be agnostic and if I had any ambition I’d probably be a Christian.
    Eternity has no beginning or end

    There was always something

    More like seen and unseen

    Or we're some kids ant farm
    We’re in a sim
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    1to392831weretaken said:

    I get the feeling any minute now one of these sides is going to convince the other. We're almost there...

    Whatever you do, don’t talk politics is the Shoppe
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    RaceBannon said:

    1to392831weretaken said:

    I get the feeling any minute now one of these sides is going to convince the other. We're almost there...

    The internet basically killed the argument. Kind of weird to see it pop back up

    Everyone knows both sides by heart by now
    Religious people are stupid, ignorant, hateful, and intolerant. They want to force women to have babies, but disappear when it’s time to take care of them.

    That’s the narrative I’m sticking with. It just sounds so good at cocktail parties.
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  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,672
    edited September 2022
    Deist - some God of some sort is out there, somewhere
    I went to church (Presbyterian) as a child with my mom, while dad played golf. When mom learned to play golf, we stopped going to church, and I started playing golf. I've spent a lot of time in Catholic Churches, looking back, I apparently have a predilection (or fetish) for Catholic girls (Joe's Garage, IIRC @Yella)...

    I think religion today is like a lot of things in life...initial great intentions, rules, customs, a sense of order, and as those great intentions move forward, people/institutions have found a way to monetize and market them to the masses as "THIS is the way, and it's the ONLY way". My wife was raised Catholic, but we don't go to church because we didn't marry in the church, and it guilts the shit out of her (the Catholic way). My problem is with the "True Believers" trying to get others to convert. Our neighbors dropped that on us early, and I put a stop to that convo in a hurry. I have no issue with what they believe, until they try to make me believe as they do.

    I am conflicted about a lot of it, but I am not conflicted in my personal beliefs, so I got that going for me, which is nice...
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