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  • whlinder
    whlinder Member Posts: 5,266
    Flying spaghetti monsterinan - God's not real you fucking idiot
    I could also go with Agnostic, I guess, I mean there is no evidence of a theoretical thing NOT being true...

    I appreciate religion. It's interwoven with human history and is the driver of many of the societal norms we accept today. Humans needed something to explain events they could not explain: death, illness, weather, natural disasters. What are those lights in the sky? What's this sun and moon thing? How to explain? God did it! Of course it became abused to benefit certain people. If you don't show up at church and give me 10% of your money you're gonna end up in hell has been a very effective sales pitch.

    However, we know shit now, have the ability to communicate globally and share information, have a scientific process and can explain things which were previously unexplainable. Except for death. So it continues to give us something to look forward to after we die. Pick your flavor of ice cream on what you have to do to enjoy whatever awaits in the great beyond.

    I was raised a Christian Scientist, married a Catholic, been to Methodist and Lutheran church (other relatives), have a former mormon brother in law, visited mosques in Egypt, been to mass at JP2's church in Krakow, work with plenty of Hindus & Muslims and know plenty of MadSon's chosen ones. It's cool, y'all do you, until you cross the line to evil.

    I just don't think any of them are right. The images and data being retrieved by the Webb Telescope has reinforced this with me even more. There is no possible way to contextualize how large and old the universe is. The number of events that have occurred in the universe is beyond our ability to comprehend. And when there are that many events, galaxies forming and dying, matter smashing into other matter, at some point you get the combination of the right shit smashing together and forming our galaxy to get what we have on this planet.

    We're just atoms. It's not that fucking complicated.
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,229 Founders Club
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    whlinder said:

    I could also go with Agnostic, I guess, I mean there is no evidence of a theoretical thing NOT being true...

    I appreciate religion. It's interwoven with human history and is the driver of many of the societal norms we accept today. Humans needed something to explain events they could not explain: death, illness, weather, natural disasters. What are those lights in the sky? What's this sun and moon thing? How to explain? God did it! Of course it became abused to benefit certain people. If you don't show up at church and give me 10% of your money you're gonna end up in hell has been a very effective sales pitch.

    However, we know shit now, have the ability to communicate globally and share information, have a scientific process and can explain things which were previously unexplainable. Except for death. So it continues to give us something to look forward to after we die. Pick your flavor of ice cream on what you have to do to enjoy whatever awaits in the great beyond.

    I was raised a Christian Scientist, married a Catholic, been to Methodist and Lutheran church (other relatives), have a former mormon brother in law, visited mosques in Egypt, been to mass at JP2's church in Krakow, work with plenty of Hindus & Muslims and know plenty of MadSon's chosen ones. It's cool, y'all do you, until you cross the line to evil.

    I just don't think any of them are right. The images and data being retrieved by the Webb Telescope has reinforced this with me even more. There is no possible way to contextualize how large and old the universe is. The number of events that have occurred in the universe is beyond our ability to comprehend. And when there are that many events, galaxies forming and dying, matter smashing into other matter, at some point you get the combination of the right shit smashing together and forming our galaxy to get what we have on this planet.

    We're just atoms. It's not that fucking complicated.

    It's extraordinarily complicated, regardless of belief.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,214 Founders Club
    edited September 2022
    Flying spaghetti monsterinan - God's not real you fucking idiot
    whlinder said:

    I could also go with Agnostic, I guess, I mean there is no evidence of a theoretical thing NOT being true...

    I appreciate religion. It's interwoven with human history and is the driver of many of the societal norms we accept today. Humans needed something to explain events they could not explain: death, illness, weather, natural disasters. What are those lights in the sky? What's this sun and moon thing? How to explain? God did it! Of course it became abused to benefit certain people. If you don't show up at church and give me 10% of your money you're gonna end up in hell has been a very effective sales pitch.

    However, we know shit now, have the ability to communicate globally and share information, have a scientific process and can explain things which were previously unexplainable. Except for death. So it continues to give us something to look forward to after we die. Pick your flavor of ice cream on what you have to do to enjoy whatever awaits in the great beyond.

    I was raised a Christian Scientist, married a Catholic, been to Methodist and Lutheran church (other relatives), have a former mormon brother in law, visited mosques in Egypt, been to mass at JP2's church in Krakow, work with plenty of Hindus & Muslims and know plenty of MadSon's chosen ones. It's cool, y'all do you, until you cross the line to evil.

    I just don't think any of them are right. The images and data being retrieved by the Webb Telescope has reinforced this with me even more. There is no possible way to contextualize how large and old the universe is. The number of events that have occurred in the universe is beyond our ability to comprehend. And when there are that many events, galaxies forming and dying, matter smashing into other matter, at some point you get the combination of the right shit smashing together and forming our galaxy to get what we have on this planet.

    We're just atoms. It's not that fucking complicated.

    Superior row peter puffer logic.

    I concur.

    I suspect more than a few of us tall Vikings oarsmen never truly accepted the Christian God. And Thor is just for comic book movies.
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  • dtd
    dtd Member Posts: 5,206 Standard Supporter
    edited September 2022
    Flying spaghetti monsterinan - God's not real you fucking idiot
    No militant atheist?

    edit: oic, praise FSM.
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  • 1to392831weretaken
    1to392831weretaken Member Posts: 7,696
    Flying spaghetti monsterinan - God's not real you fucking idiot
    Left off a pole option:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ZF_R_j0OY
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,214 Founders Club
    Flying spaghetti monsterinan - God's not real you fucking idiot
    MikeDamone said:

    You left of those who claim to be atheist but have the government as their lord and savior and are more fanatical about it than any religion or cult.

    That said, I find militant atheists way more annoying than evangelicals

    What does this thread have to do with politics? You either believe in God or you don’t.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    You left of those who claim to be atheist but have the government as their lord and savior and are more fanatical about it than any religion or cult.

    That said, I find militant atheists way more annoying than evangelicals

    What does this thread have to do with politics? You either believe in God or you don’t.
    Nothing. Just missing a pole option that applies to a large part of the population. I’m just trying to be inclusive of ALL religions.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    YellowSnow said:

    My basic elevator speech hasn't changed much since HS...

    Earth = 4.5 billion years old

    Simple life emerges 600 million years ago

    Dinosaurs for like 200 millions years

    Early modern homo sapiens don't arrive until 200,000 years ago

    Then 2,000 years ago in the most bass akwards part of the world (not Rome or China mind you) amongst a bunch of bronze age goat herders, the most important even in the history of the planet occurs, followed by a Roman Emperor needing a new state religion three centuries later.

    I need more evidence guys and can't take on faith. But that's just me, and believing that we're simply worm dirt when we die ain't for everyone.

    Mrs. Snow is a confirmed papist, but more of a deist these days. I told her she can take on a new boyfriend in heaven if I don't get in.

    ATBSJBS, I'm thankful for the Protestant Reformation and the good that it did in creating the modern world.

    Some say it takes more faith not to believe than to believe.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,715 Founders Club
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    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    You left of those who claim to be atheist but have the government as their lord and savior and are more fanatical about it than any religion or cult.

    That said, I find militant atheists way more annoying than evangelicals

    What does this thread have to do with politics? You either believe in God or you don’t.
    People tend to believe in something or anything



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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,214 Founders Club
    Flying spaghetti monsterinan - God's not real you fucking idiot
    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

    My basic elevator speech hasn't changed much since HS...

    Earth = 4.5 billion years old

    Simple life emerges 600 million years ago

    Dinosaurs for like 200 millions years

    Early modern homo sapiens don't arrive until 200,000 years ago

    Then 2,000 years ago in the most bass akwards part of the world (not Rome or China mind you) amongst a bunch of bronze age goat herders, the most important even in the history of the planet occurs, followed by a Roman Emperor needing a new state religion three centuries later.

    I need more evidence guys and can't take on faith. But that's just me, and believing that we're simply worm dirt when we die ain't for everyone.

    Mrs. Snow is a confirmed papist, but more of a deist these days. I told her she can take on a new boyfriend in heaven if I don't get in.

    ATBSJBS, I'm thankful for the Protestant Reformation and the good that it did in creating the modern world.

    Some say it takes more faith not to believe than to believe.
    Well, yeah, if I’m wrong, the consequences are dire. Eternal damnation sounds like a real bummer.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,214 Founders Club
    Flying spaghetti monsterinan - God's not real you fucking idiot
    RaceBannon said:

    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    You left of those who claim to be atheist but have the government as their lord and savior and are more fanatical about it than any religion or cult.

    That said, I find militant atheists way more annoying than evangelicals

    What does this thread have to do with politics? You either believe in God or you don’t.
    People tend to believe in something or anything



    Down with people.
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  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,623
    Deist - some God of some sort is out there, somewhere
    RaceBannon said:

    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    You left of those who claim to be atheist but have the government as their lord and savior and are more fanatical about it than any religion or cult.

    That said, I find militant atheists way more annoying than evangelicals

    What does this thread have to do with politics? You either believe in God or you don’t.
    People tend to believe in something or anything



    “Everybody needs to believe in something. I believe that I’ll have another beer”. -W.C. Fields
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

    My basic elevator speech hasn't changed much since HS...

    Earth = 4.5 billion years old

    Simple life emerges 600 million years ago

    Dinosaurs for like 200 millions years

    Early modern homo sapiens don't arrive until 200,000 years ago

    Then 2,000 years ago in the most bass akwards part of the world (not Rome or China mind you) amongst a bunch of bronze age goat herders, the most important even in the history of the planet occurs, followed by a Roman Emperor needing a new state religion three centuries later.

    I need more evidence guys and can't take on faith. But that's just me, and believing that we're simply worm dirt when we die ain't for everyone.

    Mrs. Snow is a confirmed papist, but more of a deist these days. I told her she can take on a new boyfriend in heaven if I don't get in.

    ATBSJBS, I'm thankful for the Protestant Reformation and the good that it did in creating the modern world.

    Some say it takes more faith not to believe than to believe.
    Well, yeah, if I’m wrong, the consequences are dire. Eternal damnation sounds like a real bummer.
    The point is, you have faith.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,214 Founders Club
    Flying spaghetti monsterinan - God's not real you fucking idiot
    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

    My basic elevator speech hasn't changed much since HS...

    Earth = 4.5 billion years old

    Simple life emerges 600 million years ago

    Dinosaurs for like 200 millions years

    Early modern homo sapiens don't arrive until 200,000 years ago

    Then 2,000 years ago in the most bass akwards part of the world (not Rome or China mind you) amongst a bunch of bronze age goat herders, the most important even in the history of the planet occurs, followed by a Roman Emperor needing a new state religion three centuries later.

    I need more evidence guys and can't take on faith. But that's just me, and believing that we're simply worm dirt when we die ain't for everyone.

    Mrs. Snow is a confirmed papist, but more of a deist these days. I told her she can take on a new boyfriend in heaven if I don't get in.

    ATBSJBS, I'm thankful for the Protestant Reformation and the good that it did in creating the modern world.

    Some say it takes more faith not to believe than to believe.
    Well, yeah, if I’m wrong, the consequences are dire. Eternal damnation sounds like a real bummer.
    The point is, you have faith.
    I don’t stress about it much. The burden of proof is not on me after all. I don’t make any metaphysical claims.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited September 2022
    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

    My basic elevator speech hasn't changed much since HS...

    Earth = 4.5 billion years old

    Simple life emerges 600 million years ago

    Dinosaurs for like 200 millions years

    Early modern homo sapiens don't arrive until 200,000 years ago

    Then 2,000 years ago in the most bass akwards part of the world (not Rome or China mind you) amongst a bunch of bronze age goat herders, the most important even in the history of the planet occurs, followed by a Roman Emperor needing a new state religion three centuries later.

    I need more evidence guys and can't take on faith. But that's just me, and believing that we're simply worm dirt when we die ain't for everyone.

    Mrs. Snow is a confirmed papist, but more of a deist these days. I told her she can take on a new boyfriend in heaven if I don't get in.

    ATBSJBS, I'm thankful for the Protestant Reformation and the good that it did in creating the modern world.

    Some say it takes more faith not to believe than to believe.
    Well, yeah, if I’m wrong, the consequences are dire. Eternal damnation sounds like a real bummer.
    The point is, you have faith.
    I don’t stress about it much. The burden of proof is not on me after all. I don’t make any metaphysical claims.
    I didn’t assert you stressed. Just stated a fact. Yet some would suggest “life emerges” is a metaphysical claim.
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,229 Founders Club
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    RaceBannon said:

    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    You left of those who claim to be atheist but have the government as their lord and savior and are more fanatical about it than any religion or cult.

    That said, I find militant atheists way more annoying than evangelicals

    What does this thread have to do with politics? You either believe in God or you don’t.
    People tend to believe in something or anything




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC10VWDTzmU
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  • alumni94
    alumni94 Member Posts: 4,862
    Sermon Seeker - TRUE believer in REAL God (protestant division)
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K01EAM2TtD4
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,214 Founders Club
    Flying spaghetti monsterinan - God's not real you fucking idiot
    SpiritHorse said:

    Write in: You fucks should all worship me.

    I do worship you @SpiritHorse .
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,214 Founders Club
    Flying spaghetti monsterinan - God's not real you fucking idiot
    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

    My basic elevator speech hasn't changed much since HS...

    Earth = 4.5 billion years old

    Simple life emerges 600 million years ago

    Dinosaurs for like 200 millions years

    Early modern homo sapiens don't arrive until 200,000 years ago

    Then 2,000 years ago in the most bass akwards part of the world (not Rome or China mind you) amongst a bunch of bronze age goat herders, the most important even in the history of the planet occurs, followed by a Roman Emperor needing a new state religion three centuries later.

    I need more evidence guys and can't take on faith. But that's just me, and believing that we're simply worm dirt when we die ain't for everyone.

    Mrs. Snow is a confirmed papist, but more of a deist these days. I told her she can take on a new boyfriend in heaven if I don't get in.

    ATBSJBS, I'm thankful for the Protestant Reformation and the good that it did in creating the modern world.

    Some say it takes more faith not to believe than to believe.
    Well, yeah, if I’m wrong, the consequences are dire. Eternal damnation sounds like a real bummer.
    The point is, you have faith.
    I don’t stress about it much. The burden of proof is not on me after all. I don’t make any metaphysical claims.
    I didn’t assert you stressed. Just stated a fact. Yet some would suggest “life emerges” is a metaphysical claim.
    Some are wrong. There's no metaphysical claim with "life emerges", rather, we're? just saying we don't know yet (and may never know). But not knowing the answer doesn't equate to evidence of magic or that the laws of physics were suspended this one time.

    At the end of the day, I stand by Saint Chris Hitchens point, which is to say that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,715 Founders Club
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    The goat herders understood that what is seen is made from what is unseen

    We can see back to the big bang which is cool. We can't see what banged

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    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,425 Founders Club

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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,214 Founders Club
    Flying spaghetti monsterinan - God's not real you fucking idiot
    RaceBannon said:

    The goat herders understood that what is seen is made from what is unseen

    We can see back to the big bang which is cool. We can't see what banged

    The goat herders responded logically to what they could see, which wasn't much.

    They did have a decent understanding of human nature and laid down some good rules. I try to follow about 60% of them.
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  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,782 Swaye's Wigwam
    Deist - some God of some sort is out there, somewhere

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  • whlinder
    whlinder Member Posts: 5,266
    Flying spaghetti monsterinan - God's not real you fucking idiot
    I gotta meet this unseen being that has been designing 200 billion galaxies for the past 10+ billion years.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,715 Founders Club
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    whlinder said:

    I gotta meet this unseen being that has been designing 200 billion galaxies for the past 10+ billion years.

    A guy has to do something to pass the eternal time

    Was there ever a beginning? Is there an end? Our shit will blow up eventually but there are lots of replacements

    A noted atheist said he thinks aliens may have seeded earth

    Not out of the question. Ancient Aliens is a guilty pleasure

    But I'm not here to tell anyone what to believe

    I love science and Jesus
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