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That’s exactly the reason they would askBleachedAnusDawg said:
UW has a media market. That's the only hope.TXDawg said:
I could see Oregon, but the second school would come out of Big 12. Baylor, Oklahoma State, maybe even Iowa State. They're not going to ask Washington to join. There not going to admit a team with a program and a fanbase in a death spiral. Even Utah probably has a better chance of getting in than Washington. We ain't such a big fish anymore.BleachedAnusDawg said:
If UW and Oregon manage to get a pity invite to the B1G the PAC will fold or become the new and improved MWC by bringing in the top-4 teams from the MWC. Hopefully the LA schools signaled this was coming to UW prior to it leaking or that's a really bad sign.TXDawg said:I can't wait to figure out what scrub teams the PAC-12 will recruit into the conference. Any predictions?
On the flip side, if Oregon doesn't get an invite because of us, that'll be our biggest win over them in 20 years. -
College football is ruined. What once seemed innocent with unique fan bases is now ruined. I fear for this beautiful site as well. Ultimately if things don’t change we’re gonna have only Derek left posting items if interest and nacho telling him , “ Thanks Taft!” Ugh
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Oh well, more free time for me to get ready for economic collapse and WW3.
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College football isn't "dead" but it certainly is a shit show right now. I was semi on board with the NIL deal it made sense in practice. Didn't think players would hopping around teams like free agency which has turned extremely cringe. Playoff made it so bowl games didn't mean much anymore and now conferences don't really matter either. It is going to be stale as fuck though. Bama/Georgia/Ohio State/Clemson/maybe 1 random team is so fucking boring. People will always watch and support college football but it more the less just makes everything meaningless now unless you are one of the schools mentioned before.
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Just a couple more tweaks and college football is golden
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Pretty soon, we'll have two super conferences, the NFC and AFC, and they'll set NIL caps and other regulations. 7 teams from each conference in the playoffs, and then the two top teams play in the Natty Bowl.RaceBannon said:Just a couple more tweaks and college football is golden
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That's very child-like take. Very sweet.sinceredawg said:
Well said. Nike/Knight continues to poison everything that was honest and beautiful about college sports. Oregon is a draw, but their corruption sickens the ecosystem around them. Just do it.WoolleyDoog said:Oregon fans, sell me on why a conference wants you? Very difficult stadium to get to, no TV market, track record of negative recruiting and going to throw money at kids to overpay recruits that just drives up the cost for everyone.
Obviously Phil can buy them in but all his shit just benefits one program and fucks the others. -
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BYU? Mormons make up less than 7 million in the US. Their program is not a national brand. And ND is not the only national brand that matters, by a long shot.WoolleyDoog said:
Define what you even mean by national brand and what it pays off for please?46XiJCAB said:
Rent free. Oregon is the only National Brand in the Pac-10.WoolleyDoog said:Oregon fans, sell me on why a conference wants you? Very difficult stadium to get to, no TV market, track record of negative recruiting and going to throw money at kids to overpay recruits that just drives up the cost for everyone.
Obviously Phil can buy them in but all his shit just benefits one program and fucks the others.
Notre Dame is the only national brand that really matters and it becomes more and more of a stretch by year. BYU weirdly maybe is the second closest.
Anyway, long-term, Washington's two likely outcomes are becoming the Northwestern/Vanderbilt of a super conference or becoming some kind of weird relic in a gloried Mountain West and taking the upper decks off of Husky Stadium. Let's hope it's the first option. Oregon continues to be the Dan Bilzerian of college football basically paying chicks to hang out and take pictures with them.
And I don't think Washington's future is to be the Vandy/Northwestern of any conference. Those are private schools with single digit admission numbers. Washington is still a state school, last I checked. It might someday be a Cal, but probably not.
You ask a good question: what is a national brand? IDK, and I haven't read anything elucidating on the question in this thread. If it's the general idea that people around the country are aware of and think about you as a strong and winning program, then a lot of schools have it. If it means you can recruit from any talent base, then a lot of schools have it. If it means you have a long and storied history, even if you've sucked recently/for a while, then a lot of schools have it.
In the Washington / Oregon context, what "brand" usually means is some Duck arguing that they occupy a more prominent role as a program than they used to and some DWAG trying to make the case that they are (a) WSU south or ASU north or (b) they're a paid-for Johnny Come Lately with no national respect. IOW, two people with loaded views on the subject. -
Yes, I'm sure the 14th vs. the 25th sized media market is going to be the primary driver here. Lolz.gmo said:
14th largest media market in the U.S.BleachedAnusDawg said:
UW has a media market. That's the only hope.TXDawg said:
I could see Oregon, but the second school would come out of Big 12. Baylor, Oklahoma State, maybe even Iowa State. They're not going to ask Washington to join. There not going to admit a team with a program and a fanbase in a death spiral. Even Utah probably has a better chance of getting in than Washington. We ain't such a big fish anymore.BleachedAnusDawg said:
If UW and Oregon manage to get a pity invite to the B1G the PAC will fold or become the new and improved MWC by bringing in the top-4 teams from the MWC. Hopefully the LA schools signaled this was coming to UW prior to it leaking or that's a really bad sign.TXDawg said:I can't wait to figure out what scrub teams the PAC-12 will recruit into the conference. Any predictions?
On the flip side, if Oregon doesn't get an invite because of us, that'll be our biggest win over them in 20 years.
TV revenue is a huge part of these moves. -
Congrats to Jen Cohen on leaping to the top of the worst Huskies ever list
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Oregon has more alumni in the Bay Area and LA than Portland at this point. And gets way more viewers from the Bay Area than cal + Stanford combined.
Maybe I’m getting soft, but I feel bad for coug and beav with how this is going to shake out. -
Its not over yet for the SWC!
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God. We? have truly fucked up such a wonderful, and heretofore simple, thing.picalogestabo said:Its not over yet for the SWC!
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Substitute UW and Oregon with Utah and Colorado and they might have something. The good NW schools make no sense to the SW. Yes I still think UW is/can be good. Fuck off.picalogestabo said:Its not over yet for the SWC!
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If you can't handle the ups and downs of troll twitter accounts, you may need some perspectivecreepycoug said:
God. We? have truly fucked up such a wonderful, and heretofore simple, thing.picalogestabo said:Its not over yet for the SWC!
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Howlinhusky right about everything ?RaceBannon said: -
It’s 2008 again. I don’t give a shit about what happens to UW. Just dooging to hope Oregon gets stuck and dies in a fire with us. Thanks Jen!
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It's not.RaceBannon said:
Because I'm stuck in the old fashioned thinking that a 20 or 24 team league isn't a leaguewhatshouldicareabout said:
If money is what matters, why let 16 or 18 the limit? If FOX is driving this to get back at ESPN, I can see them wanting to bring in other Pac-12 or ACC markets.RaceBannon said:
OK that sounds like new math to mewhatshouldicareabout said:
They already have 14, so 14+4 is 18.RaceBannon said:California insisted that USC and ucla play Cal and Stanford every year regardless of division
They go too and that's your 16 teams
I have zero interest in anything after that
Roll Tide and fuck off
Good point though
Still an issue
Play USC once a decade
Now
If the Super B1G has an 8 team Pacific division that is the old Pac 8 I'm back in
12-14 is already pushing it
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We made three straight New Years Bowls not very long ago. Washington is a traditional top 20 program and isn't in a death spiral. Calm down, TexTXDawg said:
I could see Oregon, but the second school would come out of Big 12. Baylor, Oklahoma State, maybe even Iowa State. They're not going to ask Washington to join. There not going to admit a team with a program and a fanbase in a death spiral. Even Utah probably has a better chance of getting in than Washington. We ain't such a big fish anymore.BleachedAnusDawg said:
If UW and Oregon manage to get a pity invite to the B1G the PAC will fold or become the new and improved MWC by bringing in the top-4 teams from the MWC. Hopefully the LA schools signaled this was coming to UW prior to it leaking or that's a really bad sign.TXDawg said:I can't wait to figure out what scrub teams the PAC-12 will recruit into the conference. Any predictions?
On the flip side, if Oregon doesn't get an invite because of us, that'll be our biggest win over them in 20 years. -
Wilner with Fauci as the Heisman Trophy on his Twatters. Weird and cringe. I'll take it to the Tug but C'mon Man!!
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I could see eventually a BIG 10 Atlantic/East, Central and Pacific/West divisions. All 8 team divisions. Winner of each division makes the final 8 playoff. Same with the SEC. Coastal, Central and West. Winner of each division makes the final 8. Two at large births chosen out of the top remaining BIG, SEC or leftover teams.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
It's not.RaceBannon said:
Because I'm stuck in the old fashioned thinking that a 20 or 24 team league isn't a leaguewhatshouldicareabout said:
If money is what matters, why let 16 or 18 the limit? If FOX is driving this to get back at ESPN, I can see them wanting to bring in other Pac-12 or ACC markets.RaceBannon said:
OK that sounds like new math to mewhatshouldicareabout said:
They already have 14, so 14+4 is 18.RaceBannon said:California insisted that USC and ucla play Cal and Stanford every year regardless of division
They go too and that's your 16 teams
I have zero interest in anything after that
Roll Tide and fuck off
Good point though
Still an issue
Play USC once a decade
Now
If the Super B1G has an 8 team Pacific division that is the old Pac 8 I'm back in
12-14 is already pushing it
Conferences are regional things - not national things. This is dumb. -
Big 10/Fox
14 current teams
USC
UCLA
UW
Oregon
Cal
Stanford
ASU
Arizona
North Carolina
Duke
Possibly substitute Arizona schools or Bay Area schools with Virginia and Virginia Tech
SEC/ESPN
14 current schools
Texas
Oklahoma
Georgis Tech
Miami FL
FSU
Clemson
Louisville
Oklahoma State
Baylor
TCU
Possibly substitute Baylor and TCU for Virginia or Virginia Tech
24 teams each, 3 eight team pods each
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The biggest fucking quck on Twitter thinks the Pac would be fine if they add BYU and Boise in. LOLRaceBannon said:
Arizona StateTXDawg said:I can't wait to figure out what scrub teams the PAC-12 will recruit into the conference. Any predictions?
Arizona
Colorado
Utah
I feel bad for Beavlet. Mother fuck cuogntxduck said:Oregon has more alumni in the Bay Area and LA than Portland at this point. And gets way more viewers from the Bay Area than cal + Stanford combined.
Maybe I’m getting soft, but I feel bad for coug and beav with how this is going to shake out.
