USC/UCLA sell Pac 12 couch
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“Got off the phone with someone who believes.”huskyhooligan said:
Great work Nicole. Must be nice to steal a paycheck every week.
Which one of you was it, by the way?
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Tremendous. Right as our season ticket renewals crater.
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I was hoping USC, UCLA, Oregon, and UW would join the Big last year.
This is the sort of thing that would make Cohen actually do something.
UW is duty bound to follow USC and UCLA wherever they go, or die trying. -
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On the national brand issue, I'm sure you know there is no proving or disproving it. It's an opinion. There are schools with brands such that disputing them makes one doing so a crazy guy running naked down I-5, and then there are the debatable schools ... like Oregon ... and Washington.WoolleyDoog said:Oregon fans, sell me on why a conference wants you? Very difficult stadium to get to, no TV market, track record of negative recruiting and going to throw money at kids to overpay recruits that just drives up the cost for everyone.
Obviously Phil can buy them in but all his shit just benefits one program and fucks the others.
I'll just say this: back in 2008, Miami signed a much ballyhood recruiting class that was built on the back of getting a bunch of guys from Miami Northwestern's juggernaut senior class. Pretty much all those guys but one - Sean Spence - was a bust, and even he doesn't make Miami's all-time top 20 linebackers list. At that time, Oregon was able to get three of those guys to come out and visit and, reportedly, the Ducks came close to flipping them. As a guy who was then generally familiar with Florida recruiting, I was shocked, and rightfully so. In hindsight, it was something of a watershed event. Today it would not be. I have to say that Oregon football is something people are generally aware of anywhere in the country. That was not the case not that long ago. An elite Florida recruit (I focus on that because it's furthest away) leaving the state for something other than an SEC school or top Big 10 or ND is generally not the norm. That Oregon is even in on a lot of those kids is a clear departure from historical practice.
The other things you listed applies to a bunch of schools in various combinations and sounds more doogish than actual food for thought. But whatever. I don't think any of this is actually going to happen. -
This is true, but the money they get will fund all their sports at a very high level, so they won't care.RaceBannon said: -
Ucla and USC already make 16, which is why I think the Big10 adds 4 more to make 20RaceBannon said:California insisted that USC and ucla play Cal and Stanford every year regardless of division
They go too and that's your 16 teams
I have zero interest in anything after that
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I for one look forward to when Jen Cohen tells Oregon to represent the Pac 12 North in the Big 10.
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Imagine thinking the BIG would be worried about Oregon coming in and swinging the pendulum on NILs in a league that has tOSU and USC in it.creepycoug said:
On the national brand issue, I'm sure you know there is no proving or disproving it. It's an opinion. There are schools with brands such that disputing them makes one doing so a crazy guy running naked down I-5, and then there are the debatable schools ... like Oregon ... and Washington.WoolleyDoog said:Oregon fans, sell me on why a conference wants you? Very difficult stadium to get to, no TV market, track record of negative recruiting and going to throw money at kids to overpay recruits that just drives up the cost for everyone.
Obviously Phil can buy them in but all his shit just benefits one program and fucks the others.
I'll just say this: back in 2008, Miami signed a much ballyhood recruiting class that was built on the back of getting a bunch of guys from Miami Northwestern's juggernaut senior class. Pretty much all those guys but one - Sean Spence - was a bust, and even he doesn't make Miami's all-time top 20 linebackers list. At that time, Oregon was able to get three of those guys to come out and visit and, reportedly, the Ducks came close to flipping them. As a guy who was then generally familiar with Florida recruiting, I was shocked, and rightfully so. In hindsight, it was something of a watershed event. Today it would not be. I have to say that Oregon football is something people are generally aware of anywhere in the country. That was not the case not that long ago. An elite Florida recruit (I focus on that because it's furthest away) leaving the state for something other than an SEC school or top Big 10 or ND is generally not the norm. That Oregon is even in on a lot of those kids is a clear departure from historical practice.
The other things you listed applies to a bunch of schools in various combinations and sounds more doogish than actual food for thought. But whatever. I don't think any of this is actually going to happen. -
This is absolutely shocking … not at all
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You get a chincredible just for knowing the suburb where the BIG10 has its offices.MikeSeaver said:
I said last year the two conference should merge. Get rid of some of the bottom feeders in both.whatshouldicareabout said:
If money is what matters, why let 16 or 18 the limit? If FOX is driving this to get back at ESPN, I can see them wanting to bring in other Pac-12 or ACC markets.RaceBannon said:
OK that sounds like new math to mewhatshouldicareabout said:
They already have 14, so 14+4 is 18.RaceBannon said:California insisted that USC and ucla play Cal and Stanford every year regardless of division
They go too and that's your 16 teams
I have zero interest in anything after that
Roll Tide and fuck off
Good point though
Still an issue
Not add more difficult out of conf road games against each other to “get back” at the SEC.
Oregon and Washington should both charter a rocket out to Rosemont Illinois and suck as much cock as necessary to be a part of this. -
She thinks UW will be the tallest midget now and that somehow is a good thing? No way she has actually insider info and is being cryptic about UW following suit.HuskyJW said: -
I can't wait to figure out what scrub teams the PAC-12 will recruit into the conference. Any predictions?
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If UW and Oregon manage to get a pity invite to the B1G the PAC will fold or become the new and improved MWC by bringing in the top-4 teams from the MWC. Hopefully the LA schools signaled this was coming to UW prior to it leaking or that's a really bad sign.TXDawg said:I can't wait to figure out what scrub teams the PAC-12 will recruit into the conference. Any predictions?
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Oregon/UW to Big 10TXDawg said:I can't wait to figure out what scrub teams the PAC-12 will recruit into the conference. Any predictions?
Arizona + Mountain schools to Big 12
Stanford likely independent but TBD
Cal/Oregon St/Wazzu merge with the Mountain West
ND likely to the Big 10
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WSU joining the Mountain West would be like poetry
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I could see Oregon, but the second school would come out of Big 12. Baylor, Oklahoma State, maybe even Iowa State. They're not going to ask Washington to join. There not going to admit a team with a program and a fanbase in a death spiral. Even Utah probably has a better chance of getting in than Washington. We ain't such a big fish anymore.BleachedAnusDawg said:
If UW and Oregon manage to get a pity invite to the B1G the PAC will fold or become the new and improved MWC by bringing in the top-4 teams from the MWC. Hopefully the LA schools signaled this was coming to UW prior to it leaking or that's a really bad sign.TXDawg said:I can't wait to figure out what scrub teams the PAC-12 will recruit into the conference. Any predictions?
On the flip side, if Oregon doesn't get an invite because of us, that'll be our biggest win over them in 20 years.
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Any thoughts on this @sonics1993?
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UW has a media market. That's the only hope.TXDawg said:
I could see Oregon, but the second school would come out of Big 12. Baylor, Oklahoma State, maybe even Iowa State. They're not going to ask Washington to join. There not going to admit a team with a program and a fanbase in a death spiral. Even Utah probably has a better chance of getting in than Washington. We ain't such a big fish anymore.BleachedAnusDawg said:
If UW and Oregon manage to get a pity invite to the B1G the PAC will fold or become the new and improved MWC by bringing in the top-4 teams from the MWC. Hopefully the LA schools signaled this was coming to UW prior to it leaking or that's a really bad sign.TXDawg said:I can't wait to figure out what scrub teams the PAC-12 will recruit into the conference. Any predictions?
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Well said. Nike/Knight continues to poison everything that was honest and beautiful about college sports. Oregon is a draw, but their corruption sickens the ecosystem around them. Just do it.WoolleyDoog said:Oregon fans, sell me on why a conference wants you? Very difficult stadium to get to, no TV market, track record of negative recruiting and going to throw money at kids to overpay recruits that just drives up the cost for everyone.
Obviously Phil can buy them in but all his shit just benefits one program and fucks the others. -
This seems reasonable. I can't imagine Cal holding onto football for the MWC.Tequilla said:
Oregon/UW to Big 10TXDawg said:I can't wait to figure out what scrub teams the PAC-12 will recruit into the conference. Any predictions?
Arizona + Mountain schools to Big 12
Stanford likely independent but TBD
Cal/Oregon St/Wazzu merge with the Mountain West
ND likely to the Big 10
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14th largest media market in the U.S.BleachedAnusDawg said:
UW has a media market. That's the only hope.TXDawg said:
I could see Oregon, but the second school would come out of Big 12. Baylor, Oklahoma State, maybe even Iowa State. They're not going to ask Washington to join. There not going to admit a team with a program and a fanbase in a death spiral. Even Utah probably has a better chance of getting in than Washington. We ain't such a big fish anymore.BleachedAnusDawg said:
If UW and Oregon manage to get a pity invite to the B1G the PAC will fold or become the new and improved MWC by bringing in the top-4 teams from the MWC. Hopefully the LA schools signaled this was coming to UW prior to it leaking or that's a really bad sign.TXDawg said:I can't wait to figure out what scrub teams the PAC-12 will recruit into the conference. Any predictions?
On the flip side, if Oregon doesn't get an invite because of us, that'll be our biggest win over them in 20 years.
TV revenue is a huge part of these moves. -
Rent free. Oregon is the only National Brand in the Pac-10.WoolleyDoog said:Oregon fans, sell me on why a conference wants you? Very difficult stadium to get to, no TV market, track record of negative recruiting and going to throw money at kids to overpay recruits that just drives up the cost for everyone.
Obviously Phil can buy them in but all his shit just benefits one program and fucks the others. -
I'm no duk fan but Oregon gives them Phil, Nike, The entire Oregon TV Market, and a recent powerhouse program. It would certainly improve their bargaining power for the next TV contract.WoolleyDoog said:Oregon fans, sell me on why a conference wants you? Very difficult stadium to get to, no TV market, track record of negative recruiting and going to throw money at kids to overpay recruits that just drives up the cost for everyone.
Obviously Phil can buy them in but all his shit just benefits one program and fucks the others. -
Define what you even mean by national brand and what it pays off for please?46XiJCAB said:
Rent free. Oregon is the only National Brand in the Pac-10.WoolleyDoog said:Oregon fans, sell me on why a conference wants you? Very difficult stadium to get to, no TV market, track record of negative recruiting and going to throw money at kids to overpay recruits that just drives up the cost for everyone.
Obviously Phil can buy them in but all his shit just benefits one program and fucks the others.
Notre Dame is the only national brand that really matters and it becomes more and more of a stretch by year. BYU weirdly maybe is the second closest.
Anyway, long-term, Washington's two likely outcomes are becoming the Northwestern/Vanderbilt of a super conference or becoming some kind of weird relic in a gloried Mountain West and taking the upper decks off of Husky Stadium. Let's hope it's the first option. Oregon continues to be the Dan Bilzerian of college football basically paying chicks to hang out and take pictures with them. -
Arizona StateTXDawg said:I can't wait to figure out what scrub teams the PAC-12 will recruit into the conference. Any predictions?
Arizona
Colorado
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The main driver in all of this is TV market size. Waco, Stillwater, Ames or Seattle. Which market is bigger?TXDawg said:
I could see Oregon, but the second school would come out of Big 12. Baylor, Oklahoma State, maybe even Iowa State. They're not going to ask Washington to join. There not going to admit a team with a program and a fanbase in a death spiral. Even Utah probably has a better chance of getting in than Washington. We ain't such a big fish anymore.BleachedAnusDawg said:
If UW and Oregon manage to get a pity invite to the B1G the PAC will fold or become the new and improved MWC by bringing in the top-4 teams from the MWC. Hopefully the LA schools signaled this was coming to UW prior to it leaking or that's a really bad sign.TXDawg said:I can't wait to figure out what scrub teams the PAC-12 will recruit into the conference. Any predictions?
On the flip side, if Oregon doesn't get an invite because of us, that'll be our biggest win over them in 20 years.
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😆46XiJCAB said:
Rent free. Oregon is the only National Brand in the Pac-10.WoolleyDoog said:Oregon fans, sell me on why a conference wants you? Very difficult stadium to get to, no TV market, track record of negative recruiting and going to throw money at kids to overpay recruits that just drives up the cost for everyone.
Obviously Phil can buy them in but all his shit just benefits one program and fucks the others. -
It doesn’t matter. UW is dead. The pac 12 is dead. College football is dead. Fuck it all.
