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Very few guys produce year after year for sustained periods of time. It’s a tough sport. It’s cliche, but it’s a game of failure.Fishpo31 said:It is always about the "Ifs"...I just scratched out a couple of line-ups with Hangier (9) and KLew (DH), France at 2B, Winker in the 9 hole...that is a pretty deep line-up.
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They will need a few outlier-type performances from guys, but it happens every year, for the winners. It’s not about the established guys that consistently produce, but who will rise, who will break out. A lot of average players have risen to the occasion with the chips on the line. All you can do is put the best 9 out there every night…the “potential” best 9 would be the best lineup they’ve had for a long (dare I say 20 years) time…the dreamy days of summer…RoadDawg55 said:
Very few guys produce year after year for sustained periods of time. It’s a tough sport. It’s cliche, but it’s a game of failure.Fishpo31 said:It is always about the "Ifs"...I just scratched out a couple of line-ups with Hangier (9) and KLew (DH), France at 2B, Winker in the 9 hole...that is a pretty deep line-up.
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If 2001 had these starters they would have been a much tougher out. I think the yanks would have gone down.Fishpo31 said:
They will need a few outlier-type performances from guys, but it happens every year, for the winners. It’s not about the established guys that consistently produce, but who will rise, who will break out. A lot of average players have risen to the occasion with the chips on the line. All you can do is put the best 9 out there every night…the “potential” best 9 would be the best lineup they’ve had for a long (dare I say 20 years) time…the dreamy days of summer…RoadDawg55 said:
Very few guys produce year after year for sustained periods of time. It’s a tough sport. It’s cliche, but it’s a game of failure.Fishpo31 said:It is always about the "Ifs"...I just scratched out a couple of line-ups with Hangier (9) and KLew (DH), France at 2B, Winker in the 9 hole...that is a pretty deep line-up.
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It’s a little surprising how much I’ve been looking forward to Mariners games each day for the past 2-3 weeks. Having watched the mariners for ~30 years I feel like I have a pretty good bullshit detector for when they are punching above their weight class. I am fully prepared to eat these words: this team feels absolutely nothing like that to me. It truly feels like they are locked in, they have a pitching staff that is in rhythm and pumping out a fair amount of quality starts, and bats heating up with good reason to think it will continue (Winker as we discussed, Mitch, Julio being an absolute fucking star, etc). See you at 7:10, don’t know what is happening to me.
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chuck said:
I'm not trying to be a statistician out here.FireTheJanitor said:
Ran the numbers because I was curious. Winker needs to bat .305 over his next 120 plate appearances to be at a .250 average after 400 ABs. Of course he could rip the cover off the ball and bat .400 but he’d need to go something like 15 for his next 15 ABs to get to .250 in “a couple of games”.RoadDawg55 said:
Career .277 hitter. Hit .305 last year. .255 and .269 the two years before. He’s hitting .226 right now. Half the season is over. It’s been three months, not one. It’s not a small sample size. It will take a lot more than two good games to get him to .250.chuck said:
A stretch? A guy who hasn't hit as poorly as .250 ever? You're basing what he will do off of a small sample, as you tend to do. One or two good games and he's over .250 right now. You saying a guy who has never hit that poorly can't sustain it because he's had a slow start?RoadDawg55 said:Lewis has performed for long enough that it’s more than potential. He’s legit if he can ever stay healthy.
Winker will hit .250 or so. .300 is a bit stretch.
I agree we haven’t even seen Julio’s best stretch. A 10 HR month is coming.
The Mariners still are irrelevant and won’t sniff the playoffs.
I do agree it’s fair to expect more and I think we’re starting to see it.
How good is Julio, holy shit.
For real I made a dumb, uninformed comment, but it wasn't from left field. Winker had a good stretch, and I think I did see him over .240 during one of those games where he was 2-2 starting out. He then went 0fer a few games.
Him, Frazier and Kelenic have been the main letdowns. Kelenic only needed to improve a bit in terms of BA and getting on base to help the team, but went backwards instead. Frazier, without hitting over .300, brings very little to the table and I don't see that changing much. The odds will play out eventually for Winker though. He's a good hitter and will be a key to the playoff run the Ms are going to go on.
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Why not keep it rolling tomorrow?
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Different era. Freddy Garcia had the lowest ERA of any starting pitcher in the AL in 2001. Moyer and Garcia were both in the top 5 of the Cy Young voting. It’s not accurate to say the Mariners didn’t have good starting pitching in 2001 and in the series against the Yankees, the Mariners scored 3 or less in every game but one. It wasn’t really the starting pitching which made the Mariners lose.chuck said:
If 2001 had these starters they would have been a much tougher out. I think the yanks would have gone down.Fishpo31 said:
They will need a few outlier-type performances from guys, but it happens every year, for the winners. It’s not about the established guys that consistently produce, but who will rise, who will break out. A lot of average players have risen to the occasion with the chips on the line. All you can do is put the best 9 out there every night…the “potential” best 9 would be the best lineup they’ve had for a long (dare I say 20 years) time…the dreamy days of summer…RoadDawg55 said:
Very few guys produce year after year for sustained periods of time. It’s a tough sport. It’s cliche, but it’s a game of failure.Fishpo31 said:It is always about the "Ifs"...I just scratched out a couple of line-ups with Hangier (9) and KLew (DH), France at 2B, Winker in the 9 hole...that is a pretty deep line-up.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2001_ALCS.shtml -
RoadDawg55 said:
Different era. Freddy Garcia had the lowest ERA of any starting pitcher in the AL in 2001. Moyer and Garcia were both in the top 5 of the Cy Young voting. It’s not accurate to say the Mariners didn’t have good starting pitching in 2001 and in the series against the Yankees, the Mariners scored 3 or less in every game but one. It wasn’t really the starting pitching which made the Mariners lose.chuck said:
If 2001 had these starters they would have been a much tougher out. I think the yanks would have gone down.Fishpo31 said:
They will need a few outlier-type performances from guys, but it happens every year, for the winners. It’s not about the established guys that consistently produce, but who will rise, who will break out. A lot of average players have risen to the occasion with the chips on the line. All you can do is put the best 9 out there every night…the “potential” best 9 would be the best lineup they’ve had for a long (dare I say 20 years) time…the dreamy days of summer…RoadDawg55 said:
Very few guys produce year after year for sustained periods of time. It’s a tough sport. It’s cliche, but it’s a game of failure.Fishpo31 said:It is always about the "Ifs"...I just scratched out a couple of line-ups with Hangier (9) and KLew (DH), France at 2B, Winker in the 9 hole...that is a pretty deep line-up.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2001_ALCS.shtml
2001 was a 100 year storm…the M’s starters won 86 games, Moyer (3) won 20, and Paul Abbott won 17 as the #4…Paul Freaking Abbott…Sele had a career year. This is my reference to “outliers”…guys step up that you’re not depending on at the beginning of the season…RoadDawg55 said:
Different era. Freddy Garcia had the lowest ERA of any starting pitcher in the AL in 2001. Moyer and Garcia were both in the top 5 of the Cy Young voting. It’s not accurate to say the Mariners didn’t have good starting pitching in 2001 and in the series against the Yankees, the Mariners scored 3 or less in every game but one. It wasn’t really the starting pitching which made the Mariners lose.chuck said:
If 2001 had these starters they would have been a much tougher out. I think the yanks would have gone down.Fishpo31 said:
They will need a few outlier-type performances from guys, but it happens every year, for the winners. It’s not about the established guys that consistently produce, but who will rise, who will break out. A lot of average players have risen to the occasion with the chips on the line. All you can do is put the best 9 out there every night…the “potential” best 9 would be the best lineup they’ve had for a long (dare I say 20 years) time…the dreamy days of summer…RoadDawg55 said:
Very few guys produce year after year for sustained periods of time. It’s a tough sport. It’s cliche, but it’s a game of failure.Fishpo31 said:It is always about the "Ifs"...I just scratched out a couple of line-ups with Hangier (9) and KLew (DH), France at 2B, Winker in the 9 hole...that is a pretty deep line-up.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2001_ALCS.shtml
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I-5, hookers and blow / vanilla…Fishpo31 said:RoadDawg55 said:
Different era. Freddy Garcia had the lowest ERA of any starting pitcher in the AL in 2001. Moyer and Garcia were both in the top 5 of the Cy Young voting. It’s not accurate to say the Mariners didn’t have good starting pitching in 2001 and in the series against the Yankees, the Mariners scored 3 or less in every game but one. It wasn’t really the starting pitching which made the Mariners lose.chuck said:
If 2001 had these starters they would have been a much tougher out. I think the yanks would have gone down.Fishpo31 said:
They will need a few outlier-type performances from guys, but it happens every year, for the winners. It’s not about the established guys that consistently produce, but who will rise, who will break out. A lot of average players have risen to the occasion with the chips on the line. All you can do is put the best 9 out there every night…the “potential” best 9 would be the best lineup they’ve had for a long (dare I say 20 years) time…the dreamy days of summer…RoadDawg55 said:
Very few guys produce year after year for sustained periods of time. It’s a tough sport. It’s cliche, but it’s a game of failure.Fishpo31 said:It is always about the "Ifs"...I just scratched out a couple of line-ups with Hangier (9) and KLew (DH), France at 2B, Winker in the 9 hole...that is a pretty deep line-up.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2001_ALCS.shtml
2001 was a 100 year storm…the M’s starters won 86 games, Moyer (3) won 20, and Paul Abbott won 17 as the #4…Paul Freaking Abbott…Sele had a career year. This is my reference to “outliers”…guys step up that you’re not depending on at the beginning of the season…RoadDawg55 said:
Different era. Freddy Garcia had the lowest ERA of any starting pitcher in the AL in 2001. Moyer and Garcia were both in the top 5 of the Cy Young voting. It’s not accurate to say the Mariners didn’t have good starting pitching in 2001 and in the series against the Yankees, the Mariners scored 3 or less in every game but one. It wasn’t really the starting pitching which made the Mariners lose.chuck said:
If 2001 had these starters they would have been a much tougher out. I think the yanks would have gone down.Fishpo31 said:
They will need a few outlier-type performances from guys, but it happens every year, for the winners. It’s not about the established guys that consistently produce, but who will rise, who will break out. A lot of average players have risen to the occasion with the chips on the line. All you can do is put the best 9 out there every night…the “potential” best 9 would be the best lineup they’ve had for a long (dare I say 20 years) time…the dreamy days of summer…RoadDawg55 said:
Very few guys produce year after year for sustained periods of time. It’s a tough sport. It’s cliche, but it’s a game of failure.Fishpo31 said:It is always about the "Ifs"...I just scratched out a couple of line-ups with Hangier (9) and KLew (DH), France at 2B, Winker in the 9 hole...that is a pretty deep line-up.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2001_ALCS.shtml -
They didn't have a shutdown guy. Freddie was always shaky and battling through. Who were the starters after Moyer? Ryan Franklin? Gill Meche? I honestly don't remember, but they were average at best.RoadDawg55 said:
Different era. Freddy Garcia had the lowest ERA of any starting pitcher in the AL in 2001. Moyer and Garcia were both in the top 5 of the Cy Young voting. It’s not accurate to say the Mariners didn’t have good starting pitching in 2001 and in the series against the Yankees, the Mariners scored 3 or less in every game but one. It wasn’t really the starting pitching which made the Mariners lose.chuck said:
If 2001 had these starters they would have been a much tougher out. I think the yanks would have gone down.Fishpo31 said:
They will need a few outlier-type performances from guys, but it happens every year, for the winners. It’s not about the established guys that consistently produce, but who will rise, who will break out. A lot of average players have risen to the occasion with the chips on the line. All you can do is put the best 9 out there every night…the “potential” best 9 would be the best lineup they’ve had for a long (dare I say 20 years) time…the dreamy days of summer…RoadDawg55 said:
Very few guys produce year after year for sustained periods of time. It’s a tough sport. It’s cliche, but it’s a game of failure.Fishpo31 said:It is always about the "Ifs"...I just scratched out a couple of line-ups with Hangier (9) and KLew (DH), France at 2B, Winker in the 9 hole...that is a pretty deep line-up.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2001_ALCS.shtml
I didn't say they didn't have starting pitching. Are you saying that rotation was as good as this one? It sure as hell didn't have the shutdown ability this one does.
