The Military Situation In The Ukraine
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WestlinnDuck said:
Marx was a westerner. So was Ludwig Von Mises. The dichotomy of the state being supreme or the individual. The founders of our Republic chose the individual. The modern American left has chosen the state along with the RINOs.TurdBomber said:
I'm not certain whether this was a reality check by RBB or an endorsement of East Euro/former Soviet "toughness."WestlinnDuck said:Very "religious" people from the West did a hell of a lot of conquering and killing and enslaving. I'm assuming a lot of Christians and Jews were involved in dropping a couple of nukes on Japan. I agree that the atheistic left/commies don't believe in individuals or God. Their religion is state control to achieve a mythical group utopia and a pile of dead people is just breaking some eggs to make an omelet. I also agree that without some moral bearing people do fail as they contemplate a purposeless life.
TurdBomber said:"Death is acceptable and the European concept of minimal casualties is stupid. It’s a war, people will die, more people can be made, wars can’t be un-lost, we are tougher and willing to die."
Is this the result of statist, non-religious indoctrination? Or another form of mass-psychosis? People in the west value life, although some lives more than others, for certain.
But this theory is pointless and regards lives as inevitable, but meaningless and drab, it seems to me. Kind of explains the hopelessness and failure of the civilization from which it came.
Either way, I can't imagine such a thought process grinding in the minds of anyone with the least bit of optimism in their souls.
To see others as cannon-fodder is one thing. To see or accept oneself in such a manner is grim AF.
What's more, where or what is this fanciful "greater good" such thoughts would serve? I guess I'm just too "westernized" to reconcile it with anything useful.
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I can’t comment with certainty on whether it’s a philosophical/cultural difference. The collectivism vs individualism thing isn’t something starkly different. It’s surmised that in Russia and the rest of Asia it skews towards collectivist while in Europe more so towards an individualistic mindset or a hybrid of the two.TurdBomber said:"Death is acceptable and the European concept of minimal casualties is stupid. It’s a war, people will die, more people can be made, wars can’t be un-lost, we are tougher and willing to die."
Is this the result of statist, non-religious indoctrination? Or another form of mass-psychosis? People in the west value life, although some lives more than others, for certain.
But this theory is pointless and regards lives as inevitable, but meaningless and drab, it seems to me. Kind of explains the hopelessness and failure of the civilization from which it came.
The Russian mindset is often “we are suffering thus our cause is noble” instead of “our cause is noble thus we are willing to suffer” - I don’t understand it either.
It manifests itself in things like Putin being the latest beloved tyrant in Russia’s history. In contrast to Ukraine, which has had six presidents post-USSR, and only one has been re-elected thus far.
I just mentioned this because the OP article author Baud uses this as an excuses for Russia’s staggering troop losses. It’s an attempt to impress upon a Western audience that this is perfectly fine - Russia is willing to let those soldiers die because they’re not obsessed with the stats, they want to save civilians at their own expense.
He’s full of shit on who killed more Afghanis, not worth even refuting, it’s just a pattern. It’s also a complete distortion of Soviet, and now Russian, military tactics. Which are destroy everything with artillery and then send in the good troops followed by the conscript slop poppers. -
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More fun with maps:
The western half of Ukraine spent the last 8+ years attacking the eastern half and trying to mandate them to not to speak Russian...hell even Zelensky ran on a peace platform of stopping the attacks against people in Donbass and won a shite-ton of the vote. Then he went out East and tried to tell the Azov crowd they need to find a new line of work and they laughed in his face on National TV and said they weren't stopping and if he pulled any troops they would find 10x more. And he gave in, lost most of his internal support, and is now being forced by the West into a protracted war that is leaving his own people bearing the brunt of the pain and suffering all so the idiots in DC and the Raytheon crowd can think they are weakening Russia while they are really bankrupting Europe. I'm sure his banking accounts that were dug up in the Panama Papers are doing well though.
BTW...surprised nobody commented on the dust-up in Germany a few days ago when they showed video of a few Azov fighters and they just happened to have some Nazi symbols...amazing how the media covers up some of this stuff... -
I miss the old days when we made up excuses for wars and got cheap gas out of the deal.
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How old are you? RaceBannon old?PurpleThrobber said:I miss the old days when we made up excuses for wars and got cheap gas out of the deal.
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Race played for Gil Dobie, I hear. Show some respect.pawz said:
How old are you? RaceBannon old?PurpleThrobber said:I miss the old days when we made up excuses for wars and got cheap gas out of the deal.
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Sorry I didn’t get back to this earlier, in the interest of organization I’ll do bullet points as there appear to be three things mentioned:RoadTrip said:
So I really never focussed on who the mercenaries in the Donbas region were taking out civilians although your analysis of them not being Blackwater or any subsidiary of them was outstanding! I simply want to know why the Ukraine was fighting in this region killing Russian separatists. Perhaps those reports were also Russian propoganda? The whole Nazi narrative going back to unsettled, WWI and II scores is historically intriguing to me. It does seem these regional bias' against the Jews is something of interest. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge and intelligence with us!
* Russian separatists are AKA Russians. Most countries tend to fight back against those who are attacking them.
* Nazis to Russia are people who don’t support Russia. I, like all Soviet children, was conditioned to associate the word Nazi with an enemy to be destroyed without knowing what it means.
* No country particularly loves us Jews. Eastern European - Jew relations are difficult and complex to describe. The reason 75% of the world’s Jews lived in Poland and Ukraine isn’t as complex. Many Americans are unaware of something called the Pale of Settlement. Jews, with a few exceptions, were not allowed to live in many places, including Russia proper. Here’s a map:
Russia’s foreign ministry has been debating Israel on whether Hitler was really a Jew and whether we Holocaust-ed ourselves. Putin had to make a rare apology. The other country has a Jewish president, recently had a Jewish prime minister, and along with Poland is the cradle of modern European (not Sephardic) Jewish culture. Feel free to draw your own conclusions.
FWIW most Russians and Ukrainians aren’t extra anti-Semitic. If anything I’d say much less so than most of the rest of Europe. Putin is many bad things but he’s not biased against Jews, and some of his most closest corrupt cronies are Boris and Arkady Rotenberg. Russian propaganda has been ratcheting up over the last ten years, on a more macro scale where Jews are behind all of the world’s ills. The Elders of Zion protocol thingy is a Tsarist creation, which surprised me when I learned about it because I assumed it was of Western European origin.
