The Military Situation In The Ukraine
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All of this.HoustonHusky said:You can futility spin however you want...the country is divided. This was the voting map in 2014 when the war really started (i.e. the eastern Ukrainian got elected and the Western governments (and Western Ukraine) didn't like it, staged a revolt, and then both sides got angry and started fighting):
I'm using Russian propaganda but you quote the same news source to try and disprove my point (which is still correct as voting patterns and more recent language maps of Ukraine show). That makes sense. And if you look at reports of Ukrainian polls of internal media more radio, newspapers, and such are broadcast and published in Russian language within the country than Ukrainian. But still. Dying on this hill is a desperate attempt to rewrite reality and ignoring most of the background to the current conflict. And if your argument is now that Ukrainian language usage is changing, doesn't that mean you were lying your ass off before when you were trying to say all of the country is historically Ukrainian and not Russian? Circular logic rulz...
And keep telling us that Azov aren't REALLY neo Nazis...they just like lots of zig-zag logos and tattoos and like holding their right arms up and across their chests...and groups like c14 aren't REALLY neo Nazis...they just don't like those dark people and Jews and get govt funds (probably US govt $$$) to promote those views...and folks in the actual government like Andriy Parubiy didn't REALLY sponsor and promote those groups...it was just an accident they were hanging out with them and all the video and previous quotes of some horrible things are just coincidences and misconstrued by the media. And the fact Stepan Bandera, a Germany collaborator back in WW2 who was responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of "undesirable people" got a national holiday is an absolute disgrace by any standard. You keep ignoring and discounting these simple facts because you can't accept the logical fallacy that Russia=guilty does not mean Ukraine=innocent.
And keep saying anyone who disagrees with you must be a Russian stooge...I'll keep saying listening to a bitter ex-wife rail against her ex-husband about how bad a person he is and how innocent she was to the entire brutally messy divorce while popping anti-anxiety meds between breaths (although at times interesting) is not the best way to get a realistic, unbiased opinion on the situation which blew up because both sides made some really bad decisions...
And I notice you refuse to comment on Zelensky's confrontation on national TV when the Azov crowd called him a loser and told him if he tried to remove any of them (from fighting in Donbas) they would ignore him and recruit more. And how he caved to them soon after which helped start this war. Seems like a modern, functioning govt the West should be sending billions of $$$ and weapons to...absolute nuts.
My simple point is that it is a mess and the best thing for everyone would be to find a solution that works for both sides (i.e. lop off the eastern 1/3 of Ukraine that is primarily Russian and let them go to Russia and make some agreement that Ukraine won't join NATO because they weren't going to anyway) to stop the fighting. And if the US is not pushing for this than the US should not be involved in any of it...we are doing the average Ukrainian people significant harm by prolonging this war and turning it into our proxy war with Russia for some stupid reason, and in the process we are ignoring China and bankrupting Europe which is going to cause a lot more long-term problems for the world as a whole.
Making cannon fodder great again is not in the best interests of anybody.
Save the current US ruling class who must desperately divert attention from it's ongoing and never ending attempts to turn the American public into serfs.
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It must be a raging hell hole of a war zone if U2 can show up and have a televised concert and selected first lady Jill Biden can drop by.
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For sure no more money to Ukraine until Europe stops funding both sides of the war.RaceBannon said:
In this case surrender is the best option and France can lead the way
The rhetoric by Biden and others is reckless and dangerous and fucking stupid
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Well you know Germany will stop buying Russian NG by the end of the year. AllegedlyBob_C said:
For sure no more money to Ukraine until Europe stops funding both sides of the war.RaceBannon said:
In this case surrender is the best option and France can lead the way
The rhetoric by Biden and others is reckless and dangerous and fucking stupid
No more money to Ukraine
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Did Bono and Trudeau's plane have to dodge anti aircraft fire when they landed?
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No more war money until I get my cheap gas.Bob_C said:
For sure no more money to Ukraine until Europe stops funding both sides of the war.RaceBannon said:
In this case surrender is the best option and France can lead the way
The rhetoric by Biden and others is reckless and dangerous and fucking stupid
No more money to Ukraine
(Read that in a Ralphie May voice for full effect)
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So we could lose NY, Philly and DC to Canada?RatherBeBrewing said:
Haven’t the people of Ukraine suffered enough without U2 playing their new songs?hardhat said:
No idea who the geeky twitter guy is, and why he’s so worried about Bono, but I wonder if he’s ever heard of USO shows. Bob Hope didn’t need a subway station, let alone the next stop from the literal deepest subway station in the world, to do a show.
Heads of state of NATO nations have been in Kyiv over the last month. Yet this goober thinks it’s suspicious that Bono, who travels with a camera crew and printed Noble nominations in case he does something attention worthy, can siphon some publicity out of this?
We really do a poor job of teaching geography in schools. Europe does have shorter distances than the US with a higher population density. But Ukraine is fairly big. There are parts of it closer to Norway or Iraq than other parts of Ukraine.
US equivalent: in that region the Russians have been pushed back to Toronto, Bono is in Cleveland, the heaviest fighting is in DC, Philadelphia and Baltimore have been turned into rubble. The superimposed map equivalent of Detroit is probably safer than the actual Detroit. US weapons shipments arrive south of Chicago.
I might support that. -
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This is where our politicians get rich. Kickbacks. Laundered through a criminal country.
