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The Military Situation In The Ukraine

pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 19,006
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edited April 2022 in Tug Tavern
https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/

https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine-an-update/


Jacques Baud is a former colonel of the General Staff, ex-member of the Swiss strategic intelligence, specialist on Eastern countries. He was trained in the American and British intelligence services. He has served as Policy Chief for United Nations Peace Operations. As a UN expert on rule of law and security institutions, he designed and led the first multidimensional UN intelligence unit in the Sudan. He has worked for the African Union and was for 5 years responsible for the fight, at NATO, against the proliferation of small arms. He was involved in discussions with the highest Russian military and intelligence officials just after the fall of the USSR. Within NATO, he followed the 2014 Ukrainian crisis and later participated in programs to assist the Ukraine. He is the author of several books on intelligence, war and terrorism, in particular Le Détournement published by SIGEST, Gouverner par les fake news, L’affaire Navalny. His latest book is Poutine, maître du jeu? published by Max Milo.

This article appears through the gracious courtesy of Centre Français de Recherche sur le Renseignement, Paris. Translated from the French by N. Dass.




A sober view.

FYFMFE


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    RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,391
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    That was a very revealing read. I'm a bit confused about a couple of things. 1. The Ukrainians have been shelling the southeastern region for almost 8 years which is a violation of the Minsk agreements and there has been zero reporting from the west on this? The militias engaged in this "genocide" are considered to be Nazis and yet there has been no condemnation or reporting? 2. The term Nazi is being used primarily because there is a decades old score to settle which goes back to WW2? Apparently Russian troops were led by Jewish officers and there are still regional scores to be settled against Russian Jews? Can someone provide some context for me here?

    Also, the very end of the article opened my eyes to a conflict which has resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands, leaving millions of innocents to suffer in the (mostly unreported) greatest humanitarin crisis of our times in Yemen. Can someone provide a brief explanation of the war between Saudi Arabia and Yeman? The author in this article concludes by pointing out we? In the west are not being sanctioned (as are the Russian population for Putin's actions against Ukraine) for our leaders responsibility for the attrocities happening in Yeman or for that matter in any number of conflicts we've been engaged in for years in the middle east.

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    UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 14,521
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    RoadTrip said:

    That was a very revealing read. I'm a bit confused about a couple of things. 1. The Ukrainians have been shelling the southeastern region for almost 8 years which is a violation of the Minsk agreements and there has been zero reporting from the west on this? The militias engaged in this "genocide" are considered to be Nazis and yet there has been no condemnation or reporting? 2. The term Nazi is being used primarily because there is a decades old score to settle which goes back to WW2? Apparently Russian troops were led by Jewish officers and there are still regional scores to be settled against Russian Jews? Can someone provide some context for me here?

    Also, the very end of the article opened my eyes to a conflict which has resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands, leaving millions of innocents to suffer in the (mostly unreported) greatest humanitarin crisis of our times in Yemen. Can someone provide a brief explanation of the war between Saudi Arabia and Yeman? The author in this article concludes by pointing out we? In the west are not being sanctioned (as are the Russian population for Putin's actions against Ukraine) for our leaders responsibility for the attrocities happening in Yeman or for that matter in any number of conflicts we've been engaged in for years in the middle east.

    Tldr the Saudis and nominally the US back the "government" against the Houtis who have the proxy backing of Iran bc it's essentially all a proxy war between tribes that hate one another.

    And both sides have committed lots of atrocities most likely.


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    DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 60,636
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    If you listen to Adam Curry, he makes a somewhat rational argument how Putin could be in on this with the Biden admin, in all the lies and how this thing is being protracted.

    I'm not saying I believe that. I'm saying that I largely don't know what to believe.
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    pawz said:

    https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/

    https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine-an-update/


    Jacques Baud is a former colonel of the General Staff, ex-member of the Swiss strategic intelligence, specialist on Eastern countries. He was trained in the American and British intelligence services. He has served as Policy Chief for United Nations Peace Operations. As a UN expert on rule of law and security institutions, he designed and led the first multidimensional UN intelligence unit in the Sudan. He has worked for the African Union and was for 5 years responsible for the fight, at NATO, against the proliferation of small arms. He was involved in discussions with the highest Russian military and intelligence officials just after the fall of the USSR. Within NATO, he followed the 2014 Ukrainian crisis and later participated in programs to assist the Ukraine. He is the author of several books on intelligence, war and terrorism, in particular Le Détournement published by SIGEST, Gouverner par les fake news, L’affaire Navalny. His latest book is Poutine, maître du jeu? published by Max Milo.

    This article appears through the gracious courtesy of Centre Français de Recherche sur le Renseignement, Paris. Translated from the French by N. Dass.




    A sober view.

    FYFMFE


    tldr






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    Sorry not sorry reads like Kremlin primer.

    Glosses over essentially that little "invasion" of Crimea.

    Glosses over the little green men in Donbas since 2014? Ish. "Only 50 foreign fighters" sure.gif

    Putin is demilitarizing the Ukraine! Ok, so your invading a sovereign country to defeat its military. Pretty classic communist rebranding there.

    Maybe I didn't get to the good part but he took a long time getting there and at some point I've had my fill of rehashed Kremlin talking points.

    @RatherBeBrewing will probably be more willing and motivated to post a tequila style takedown.
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    GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 5,580
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    edited April 2022

    If you listen to Adam Curry, he makes a somewhat rational argument how Putin could be in on this with the Biden admin, in all the lies and how this thing is being protracted.

    I'm not saying I believe that. I'm saying that I largely don't know what to believe.

    Would not shock me, after all, he will have more flexibility after the election... and he did get 3 million from the mayor of moscow
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    RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,391
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    pawz said:

    https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/

    https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine-an-update/


    Jacques Baud is a former colonel of the General Staff, ex-member of the Swiss strategic intelligence, specialist on Eastern countries. He was trained in the American and British intelligence services. He has served as Policy Chief for United Nations Peace Operations. As a UN expert on rule of law and security institutions, he designed and led the first multidimensional UN intelligence unit in the Sudan. He has worked for the African Union and was for 5 years responsible for the fight, at NATO, against the proliferation of small arms. He was involved in discussions with the highest Russian military and intelligence officials just after the fall of the USSR. Within NATO, he followed the 2014 Ukrainian crisis and later participated in programs to assist the Ukraine. He is the author of several books on intelligence, war and terrorism, in particular Le Détournement published by SIGEST, Gouverner par les fake news, L’affaire Navalny. His latest book is Poutine, maître du jeu? published by Max Milo.

    This article appears through the gracious courtesy of Centre Français de Recherche sur le Renseignement, Paris. Translated from the French by N. Dass.




    A sober view.

    FYFMFE


    tldr






    @HoustonHusky @LoneStarDawg @UW_Doog_Bot @RatherBeBrewing @GrundleStiltzkin @RoadTrip

    Sorry not sorry reads like Kremlin primer.

    Glosses over essentially that little "invasion" of Crimea.

    Glosses over the little green men in Donbas since 2014? Ish. "Only 50 foreign fighters" sure.gif

    Putin is demilitarizing the Ukraine! Ok, so your invading a sovereign country to defeat its military. Pretty classic communist rebranding there.

    Maybe I didn't get to the good part but he took a long time getting there and at some point I've had my fill of rehashed Kremlin talking points.

    @RatherBeBrewing will probably be more willing and motivated to post a tequila style takedown.
    I don't think the point of the article is to support Putin or Russia in any way. However, to deny there are financial and corrupt motivations within factions of the United States (significant ones within in our own government) and those within Europe (NATO) is to be naive.
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    Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,673
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    The only reason Ukraine is a thing is as a deflection from Bidens shit
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 31,560
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    Out of the billion plus being sent to the Ukraine how much gets kicked back to SloJoe and the Dim cronies? Hunter would know.
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    GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 5,580
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    The only reason Ukraine is a thing is as a deflection from Bidens shit

    No the only reason Ukraine is a thing is Biden is weak AF... and Putin took advantage.
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    HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,957
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    An Indian take on the current situation…interesting (and depressing) read. We are not being led by our best and brightest.

    https://www.indianpunchline.com/us-narrative-wont-survive-defeat-in-donbass/
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    RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,391
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    An Indian take on the current situation…interesting (and depressing) read. We are not being led by our best and brightest.

    https://www.indianpunchline.com/us-narrative-wont-survive-defeat-in-donbass/

    That was a good quick read and probably deserves its own thread. This war is most certainly being primarily pushed and supported by the United States. The industrial war complex is part of the swamp. 911 was used to rally angry Americans to support 2 decades of war and trillions of dollars into the cabal. Now Biden is forced to comply with Obama's demands to financially support his Zelensky puppet and this proxy war. Europe and Nato want nothing to do with this now because they are beholden to Russian and middle-east oil.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 31,560
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    RoadTrip said:

    An Indian take on the current situation…interesting (and depressing) read. We are not being led by our best and brightest.

    https://www.indianpunchline.com/us-narrative-wont-survive-defeat-in-donbass/

    That was a good quick read and probably deserves its own thread. This war is most certainly being primarily pushed and supported by the United States. The industrial war complex is part of the swamp. 911 was used to rally angry Americans to support 2 decades of war and trillions of dollars into the cabal. Now Biden is forced to comply with Obama's demands to financially support his Zelensky puppet and this proxy war. Europe and Nato want nothing to do with this now because they are beholden to Russian and middle-east oil.
    Protecting the deep states money laundering country where Hunter Bidens Rosemont Seneca owns and funds the biolabs is important to the "big guy" who gets 10% off the top and 50% of everything Hunter makes. Child trafficking for sniffers and more is popular as well.
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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 42,281
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    An Indian take on the current situation…interesting (and depressing) read. We are not being led by our best and brightest.

    https://www.indianpunchline.com/us-narrative-wont-survive-defeat-in-donbass/

    We're being fed the Cho Bai Den slog.

    His handlers don't want the cesspool of Ukrainian corruption to see the light of day in the US MSM. They like having dementia puppet boy in the White House.

    Mitt and John Kerry don't either.


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    UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 14,521
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    RoadTrip said:

    pawz said:

    https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/

    https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine-an-update/


    Jacques Baud is a former colonel of the General Staff, ex-member of the Swiss strategic intelligence, specialist on Eastern countries. He was trained in the American and British intelligence services. He has served as Policy Chief for United Nations Peace Operations. As a UN expert on rule of law and security institutions, he designed and led the first multidimensional UN intelligence unit in the Sudan. He has worked for the African Union and was for 5 years responsible for the fight, at NATO, against the proliferation of small arms. He was involved in discussions with the highest Russian military and intelligence officials just after the fall of the USSR. Within NATO, he followed the 2014 Ukrainian crisis and later participated in programs to assist the Ukraine. He is the author of several books on intelligence, war and terrorism, in particular Le Détournement published by SIGEST, Gouverner par les fake news, L’affaire Navalny. His latest book is Poutine, maître du jeu? published by Max Milo.

    This article appears through the gracious courtesy of Centre Français de Recherche sur le Renseignement, Paris. Translated from the French by N. Dass.




    A sober view.

    FYFMFE


    tldr






    @HoustonHusky @LoneStarDawg @UW_Doog_Bot @RatherBeBrewing @GrundleStiltzkin @RoadTrip

    Sorry not sorry reads like Kremlin primer.

    Glosses over essentially that little "invasion" of Crimea.

    Glosses over the little green men in Donbas since 2014? Ish. "Only 50 foreign fighters" sure.gif

    Putin is demilitarizing the Ukraine! Ok, so your invading a sovereign country to defeat its military. Pretty classic communist rebranding there.

    Maybe I didn't get to the good part but he took a long time getting there and at some point I've had my fill of rehashed Kremlin talking points.

    @RatherBeBrewing will probably be more willing and motivated to post a tequila style takedown.
    I don't think the point of the article is to support Putin or Russia in any way. However, to deny there are financial and corrupt motivations within factions of the United States (significant ones within in our own government) and those within Europe (NATO) is to be naive.
    It repeats a shit load of Kremlin propaganda so you'll forgive me for thinking so.

    Either way, it's not mutually exclusive that our leadership is corrupt and so is Russia's.

    They are more similar than dissimilar and neither is good.
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    RatherBeBrewingRatherBeBrewing Member Posts: 1,557
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    pawz said:

    https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/

    https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine-an-update/


    Jacques Baud is a former colonel of the General Staff, ex-member of the Swiss strategic intelligence, specialist on Eastern countries. He was trained in the American and British intelligence services. He has served as Policy Chief for United Nations Peace Operations. As a UN expert on rule of law and security institutions, he designed and led the first multidimensional UN intelligence unit in the Sudan. He has worked for the African Union and was for 5 years responsible for the fight, at NATO, against the proliferation of small arms. He was involved in discussions with the highest Russian military and intelligence officials just after the fall of the USSR. Within NATO, he followed the 2014 Ukrainian crisis and later participated in programs to assist the Ukraine. He is the author of several books on intelligence, war and terrorism, in particular Le Détournement published by SIGEST, Gouverner par les fake news, L’affaire Navalny. His latest book is Poutine, maître du jeu? published by Max Milo.

    This article appears through the gracious courtesy of Centre Français de Recherche sur le Renseignement, Paris. Translated from the French by N. Dass.




    A sober view.

    FYFMFE


    tldr






    @HoustonHusky @LoneStarDawg @UW_Doog_Bot @RatherBeBrewing @GrundleStiltzkin @RoadTrip

    Sorry not sorry reads like Kremlin primer.

    Glosses over essentially that little "invasion" of Crimea.

    Glosses over the little green men in Donbas since 2014? Ish. "Only 50 foreign fighters" sure.gif

    Putin is demilitarizing the Ukraine! Ok, so your invading a sovereign country to defeat its military. Pretty classic communist rebranding there.

    Maybe I didn't get to the good part but he took a long time getting there and at some point I've had my fill of rehashed Kremlin talking points.

    @RatherBeBrewing will probably be more willing and motivated to post a tequila style takedown.
    Not even worth my usual explanation. Mssr Baud is just a simple expert for hire, and his client is Russia. In fact, any of you can hire him to lend his resume to whatever you would like him to justify or distort - it’s not very difficult to find how.

    There’s no nice way to say this, but if anyone believes this assclown they are either very dim or are just looking for a source that confirms what they want to believe. I’m dumb for having read it, and even dumber for bothering to write the shit below.

    Look at Baud’s articles and interviews. Special military operation this, special military operation that. That’s to avoid Russia’s new laws, where you can’t call their invasion a war. That should be a dead giveaway every time.

    Denazification, Russian speaker genocide, THE Ukraine, speaking about the tiny parcels of two oblasts as if they are legitimate republics. Trying to explain the ass kicking in Kyiv as the original plan, and all those dead Russian soldiers are by design to spare civilians, instead of air strikes like the Western strategy. Although Russia has used more cruise missiles in two months than the United States has used in TOTAL in all conflicts in the last 30 years, but few people will check. Jesus, the use of MLRS like the Smerch (successor to the still in heavy use Uragan and Grad) with cluster munitions by both Russia and Ukraine is worse than air strikes for civilians by far.
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    HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,957
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    pawz said:

    https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/

    https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine-an-update/


    Jacques Baud is a former colonel of the General Staff, ex-member of the Swiss strategic intelligence, specialist on Eastern countries. He was trained in the American and British intelligence services. He has served as Policy Chief for United Nations Peace Operations. As a UN expert on rule of law and security institutions, he designed and led the first multidimensional UN intelligence unit in the Sudan. He has worked for the African Union and was for 5 years responsible for the fight, at NATO, against the proliferation of small arms. He was involved in discussions with the highest Russian military and intelligence officials just after the fall of the USSR. Within NATO, he followed the 2014 Ukrainian crisis and later participated in programs to assist the Ukraine. He is the author of several books on intelligence, war and terrorism, in particular Le Détournement published by SIGEST, Gouverner par les fake news, L’affaire Navalny. His latest book is Poutine, maître du jeu? published by Max Milo.

    This article appears through the gracious courtesy of Centre Français de Recherche sur le Renseignement, Paris. Translated from the French by N. Dass.




    A sober view.

    FYFMFE


    tldr






    @HoustonHusky @LoneStarDawg @UW_Doog_Bot @RatherBeBrewing @GrundleStiltzkin @RoadTrip

    Sorry not sorry reads like Kremlin primer.

    Glosses over essentially that little "invasion" of Crimea.

    Glosses over the little green men in Donbas since 2014? Ish. "Only 50 foreign fighters" sure.gif

    Putin is demilitarizing the Ukraine! Ok, so your invading a sovereign country to defeat its military. Pretty classic communist rebranding there.

    Maybe I didn't get to the good part but he took a long time getting there and at some point I've had my fill of rehashed Kremlin talking points.

    @RatherBeBrewing will probably be more willing and motivated to post a tequila style takedown.
    Not even worth my usual explanation. Mssr Baud is just a simple expert for hire, and his client is Russia. In fact, any of you can hire him to lend his resume to whatever you would like him to justify or distort - it’s not very difficult to find how.

    There’s no nice way to say this, but if anyone believes this assclown they are either very dim or are just looking for a source that confirms what they want to believe. I’m dumb for having read it, and even dumber for bothering to write the shit below.

    Look at Baud’s articles and interviews. Special military operation this, special military operation that. That’s to avoid Russia’s new laws, where you can’t call their invasion a war. That should be a dead giveaway every time.

    Denazification, Russian speaker genocide, THE Ukraine, speaking about the tiny parcels of two oblasts as if they are legitimate republics. Trying to explain the ass kicking in Kyiv as the original plan, and all those dead Russian soldiers are by design to spare civilians, instead of air strikes like the Western strategy. Although Russia has used more cruise missiles in two months than the United States has used in TOTAL in all conflicts in the last 30 years, but few people will check. Jesus, the use of MLRS like the Smerch (successor to the still in heavy use Uragan and Grad) with cluster munitions by both Russia and Ukraine is worse than air strikes for civilians by far.
    I would argue anyone listening to an ex-wife describing her ex-husband right after a horribly nasty divorce is not getting the full picture...


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    46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
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    Apparently that military aid we're sending is getting destroyed by Russian precision guided missiles as it's being staged. Shocking development!
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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 42,281
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    46XiJCAB said:

    Apparently that military aid we're sending is getting destroyed by Russian precision guided missiles as it's being staged. Shocking development!

    It's so much more polite when the military aid is simply left behind for the opponent to use for their own purposes.

    #afghanistan

    #fuckyoujoe
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