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Love itMeek said:great thread - football talk. love it. by the way, how many more months is spring practice on for?
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What good offense has Wilcox ever shut down while at UW? I'll be patiently waiting for that answer.....
The only difference between him and Holt was Wilcox did well against the dreckfest schools while Holt would lay eggs.
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Holt was an unmitigated disaster. I'll never forget how clueless the defenses looked against Oregon State in 2011.He_Needs_More_Time said:What good offense has Wilcox ever shut down while at UW? I'll be patiently waiting for that answer.....
The only difference between him and Holt was Wilcox did well against the dreckfest schools while Holt would lay eggs.
Both sucked ass against a good offense.
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Wilcox did a good job. I don't know if anyone realized this but his head coach wasn't worth a shit. People give too much credit to the coordinators. In the end it's the head coach that matters. Coordinators usually do better or worse based on the capability of the head coach. Given the sample size and shit show of coordinators before him here. He did a pretty good job.
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Out of 6o something posts in your own thread , you replied roughly 20 times, with 4 back-to-back posts, or 1 out of every 3 posts. You pathetic cunt. Jeezuz, put the keyboard down, spend a little time with Stephan. Men need love too!
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And you left doogman when?Meek said:great thread - football talk. love it. by the way, how many more months is spring practice on for?
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My agenda towards Wilcox is the same as Sark-Kim?
LOL dude.......I guess since you make 100 posts a day you blow shit out of your ass sometimes. -
Wilcox isn't a bad DC ... but hitching his ride up to Sark and Kiffin isn't the smartest career move.
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Still haven't answered my question on how many good offenses did Wilcox shut down while at UW?HeretoBeatmyChest said:My agenda towards Wilcox is the same as Sark-Kim?
LOL dude.......I guess since you make 100 posts a day you blow shit out of your ass sometimes.
Keep up the pro Wilcox agenda. -
Not saying he's bad. Just pointing out that he wasn't that great either.Tequilla said:Wilcox isn't a bad DC ... but hitching his ride up to Sark and Kiffin isn't the smartest career move.
I don't think Sark will ever win a division title. I think the O/U on him is 3.5 years at USC. -
Since when is a well reasoned opinion an agenda?He_Needs_More_Time said:
Still haven't answered my question on how many good offenses did Wilcox shut down while at UW?HeretoBeatmyChest said:My agenda towards Wilcox is the same as Sark-Kim?
LOL dude.......I guess since you make 100 posts a day you blow shit out of your ass sometimes.
Keep up the pro Wilcox agenda.
Wilcox took over a defense that was over 100 and finished 20 in his second year. This is using yards per play, the best stat. Need we mention that was with a makeshift DL that had 1 true tackle on its roster and had to use a backup TE as one of its starters?
I really don't get why very few can't admit Wilcox was a good DC. Sure, he didn't shut down any great teams but that is one negative factor amid mostly positive factors. Line up his resume with others and tell me who was a better DC in the pac-12? There aren't more than a few.
If he's a very good DC then he'll do very well at USC and have top 10 defenses. We'll see. I think with USC's talent, he will prove he's very good. You can disagree. Maybe the sanctions will have a big impact. But to say its an agenda? Just fuckin stupid pal. I guess you had to go there since you had no argument. -
This isn't bout Wilcox. This is about you suggesting that Wilcox is so great he can carry Sark like Kelly/Tedford did for Bellotti. Wilcox isn't that great of a DC. He's a fine DC.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
Since when is a well reasoned opinion an agenda?He_Needs_More_Time said:
Still haven't answered my question on how many good offenses did Wilcox shut down while at UW?HeretoBeatmyChest said:My agenda towards Wilcox is the same as Sark-Kim?
LOL dude.......I guess since you make 100 posts a day you blow shit out of your ass sometimes.
Keep up the pro Wilcox agenda.
Wilcox took over a defense that was over 100 and finished 20 in his second year. This is using yards per play, the best stat. Need we mention that was with a makeshift DL that had 1 true tackle on its roster and had to use a backup TE as one of its starters?
I really don't get why very few can't admit Wilcox was a good DC. Sure, he didn't shut down any great teams but that is one negative factor amid mostly positive factors. Line up his resume with others and tell me who was a better DC in the pac-12? There aren't more than a few.
If he's a very good DC then he'll do very well at USC and have top 10 defenses. We'll see. I think with USC's talent, he will prove he's very good. You can disagree. Maybe the sanctions will have a big impact. But to say its an agenda? Just fuckin stupid pal. I guess you had to go there since you had no argument.
You still avoided my question of "How many good offenses did Wilcox shut down while at UW?" It was a pretty simple question that you conveniently are avoiding. -
Wilcox shut down Stanford twice, UCLA, Oregon St twice, Colorado twice, UTAH, WSU and Leach once, Arizona once, Cal twice, USC basically....
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Huh?puppylove_sugarsteel said:Wilcox shut down Stanford twice, UCLA, Oregon St twice, Colorado twice, UTAH, WSU and Leach once, Arizona once, Cal twice, USC basically....
http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=333190026
Also I said good offenses thanks for making my point by bringing up dreckfest fucking teams.
Let the adults talk please, this is a good thread we don't need you killing it. -
Wilcox was a fine DC. Our best in 20 years +/- there buddy. Your head has been buried up your dad's asshole your whole life so who is to say when your questions start or end. Pull it it out, clean it off and then start questioning others around here more_cunt . You don't have much a clue about dawg football cock, so don't start questioning others .
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Final point on Wilcox.
I'll stop being funny once I stop hanging out with funny people. The reason I'm funny is because I surround myself with other funny people- Adam Carolla
I think the longer Wilcox is with Sark he'll start to regress a bit as a coach. He won't have the same drive if he was with a dedicated staff with a head coach like Petersen setting the tone. It will be really easy to be lazy when your whole staff is rolling out of bed at 10 a.m. hung over and you know you have top tier talent.
Wilcox doesn't strike me as a dude brah type of fuck like some of those coaches(Sark is the king, Tosh, Sirmon, Nansen, Ivan Lewis, sadly Tui). However, I can see after a while he stops working as hard thinking "why am I busting my ass when the other coaches aren't ?"
I think Wilcox is a solid DC but our defenses with him never attacked the offense. Didn't blitz much, didn't use creative schemes, didn't force turnovers or get pressure on the QB. Just waited until a dreckfest QB would give us the game(Stanford 2012, Oregon State 2012, end of Apple Cup 2013). I don't think he's great enough to carry Sark and I think he'll actually get worse as a coach if he is around Dude Brah's staff for another 4-5 years( I doubt it as Sark at most lasts four seasons at USC before being DOA). -
Gladstone makes a reasonable point wondering if there is some Ty/Sark effect going on with Holt/Wilcox. The defense still had flaws, but it was much better and got better from year 1 to year 2. You continue to make this post every few months, even though there is plenty of evidence that shows it isn't very accurate. Tennessee was getting worse. In 2008 under Chavis, they were the #3 defense in the SEC at 263.5 YPG. In 2009 under Kiffin, they were much worse at #8 and 308 ypg.He_Needs_More_Time said:Chest agenda towards Wilcox is as bad as Kim towards Sark.
UW consistently out recruits the AZ schools yet he's 3-5 against them and 0-4 on the road.
This Wilcox myth continues to live on. His defense never did shit against a good offense. Same with Tennessee as they got worse under him than previous coach.
Wilcox came the year after, had to replace a bunch of new starters, including Eric Berry, the best defensive player in college football and a first round DT. The arrow was going down. They also had a fucking terrible head coach in Derek Dooley. Wilcox improved the defense over 40 yards and 2 points from 2010 to 2011. The year after Wilcox left, they bring in Sunseri from Alabama and promptly become the worst defense in the SEC, giving up 13 more points and 130 more yards per game than Wilcox's last season. This year, with Butch Jones, their defense was still playing at a substantially lower level than in either of Wilcox's two years.
For a dreckfest program with a shit head coach, Wilcox came out of Tennessee looking pretty good. Can't say he did a great job, but he didn't do bad either. The numbers after he left show that. -
Wilcox improved UW from 5-4 to 5-4. Again can someone from the Husky Fan podcast answer a simple question like "What good offense did Wilcox shut down while at UW ?" you guys dance around this simple question.RoadDawg55 said:
Gladstone makes a reasonable point wondering if there is some Ty/Sark effect going on with Holt/Wilcox. The defense still had flaws, but it was much better and got better from year 1 to year 2. You continue to make this post every few months, even though there is plenty of evidence that shows it isn't very accurate. Tennessee was getting worse. In 2008 under Chavis, they were the #3 defense in the SEC at 263.5 YPG. In 2009 under Kiffin, they were much worse at #8 and 308 ypg.He_Needs_More_Time said:Chest agenda towards Wilcox is as bad as Kim towards Sark.
UW consistently out recruits the AZ schools yet he's 3-5 against them and 0-4 on the road.
This Wilcox myth continues to live on. His defense never did shit against a good offense. Same with Tennessee as they got worse under him than previous coach.
Wilcox came the year after, had to replace a bunch of new starters, including Eric Berry, the best defensive player in college football and a first round DT. The arrow was going down. They also had a fucking terrible head coach in Derek Dooley. Wilcox improved the defense over 40 yards and 2 points from 2010 to 2011. The year after Wilcox left, they bring in Sunseri from Alabama and promptly become the worst defense in the SEC, giving up 13 more points and 130 more yards per game than Wilcox's last season. This year, with Butch Jones, their defense was still playing at a lesser level than Wilcox's in 2011.
For a dreckfest program with a shit head coach, Wilcox came out of Tennessee looking pretty good. Can't say he did a great job, but he didn't do bad either. The numbers after he left show that.
Anyways your buddy said USC can win the South while stating Wilcox as the reason. I'd say it's obvious you guys have an agenda with Wilcox seeing Chest turned this thread into Wilcox.
Even after Petersen was hired he was raving about Wilcox and how this defense is making strides. In another thread talking about USC mentioned how USC will have a good defense. I've yet to hear one criticism by either of you two about Wilcox in fact. Even after ASU you both rushed to his defense. As well as the Oregon game and the UCLA game. You talk him up like he walks on water. -
I think Race made the best point regarding Wilcox. We could have had Kirby Smart, John Chavis, or Pat Narduzzi as DC and it wouldn't have made much, if any difference. Sark set the tone for the program, even if Wilcox was in charge of the D. Wilcox was the least of our problems and was a great hire.
We still struggled to control no huddle teams. That's a fair criticism, but all teams that don't have great DL's do because you can't call very many defenses against a no huddle team. You basically have to play in your base defense. That's why the best defenses Alabama, LSU, Stanford, Michigan State, etc all had great DL's. Our DL has improved the past two years, Kikaha's return and Danny Shelton being a big reason why. -
Back to the original point that Chest made before you guys hijacked my thread into a Wilcox love fest which is USC will win the south. Guess what? That same shit coach that held back Wilcox according to you and Chest is still with him at USC. So why will things change now?RoadDawg55 said:I think Race made the best point regarding Wilcox. We could have had Kirby Smart, John Chavis, or Pat Narduzzi as DC and it wouldn't have made much, if any difference. Sark set the tone for the program, even if Wilcox was in charge of the D. Wilcox was the least of our problems and was a great hire.
That has been my point in this thread. Despite bringing in top tier talent I don't see USC winning the division under Sark. Special Teams is too sloppy, not good in the RZ, defense doesn't create plays, too many dumb bonehead mistakes, sloppy program in general, shitty on the road, etc despite great talent won't amount to shit. -
Thinking he is a good DC is not thinking he walks on water. Calling him great at this point is a stretch, but his career and the numbers show he is a good DC. I criticized Wilcox's shitty game plan against Oregon. You are full of shit for saying otherwise. It was stupid to try and limit big plays and not put much pressure on Mariota. I don't remember anyone defending UCLA either, even though turnovers played a big part in the early goings of that game.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Wilcox improved UW from 5-4 to 5-4. Again can someone from the Husky Fan podcast answer a simple question like "What good offense did Wilcox shut down while at UW ?" you guys dance around this simple question.RoadDawg55 said:
Gladstone makes a reasonable point wondering if there is some Ty/Sark effect going on with Holt/Wilcox. The defense still had flaws, but it was much better and got better from year 1 to year 2. You continue to make this post every few months, even though there is plenty of evidence that shows it isn't very accurate. Tennessee was getting worse. In 2008 under Chavis, they were the #3 defense in the SEC at 263.5 YPG. In 2009 under Kiffin, they were much worse at #8 and 308 ypg.He_Needs_More_Time said:Chest agenda towards Wilcox is as bad as Kim towards Sark.
UW consistently out recruits the AZ schools yet he's 3-5 against them and 0-4 on the road.
This Wilcox myth continues to live on. His defense never did shit against a good offense. Same with Tennessee as they got worse under him than previous coach.
Wilcox came the year after, had to replace a bunch of new starters, including Eric Berry, the best defensive player in college football and a first round DT. The arrow was going down. They also had a fucking terrible head coach in Derek Dooley. Wilcox improved the defense over 40 yards and 2 points from 2010 to 2011. The year after Wilcox left, they bring in Sunseri from Alabama and promptly become the worst defense in the SEC, giving up 13 more points and 130 more yards per game than Wilcox's last season. This year, with Butch Jones, their defense was still playing at a lesser level than Wilcox's in 2011.
For a dreckfest program with a shit head coach, Wilcox came out of Tennessee looking pretty good. Can't say he did a great job, but he didn't do bad either. The numbers after he left show that.
Anyways your buddy said USC can win the South while stating Wilcox as the reason. I'd say it's obvious you guys have an agenda with Wilcox seeing Chest turned this thread into Wilcox.
Even after Petersen was hired he was raving about Wilcox and how this defense is making strides. In another thread talking about USC mentioned how USC will have a good defense. I've yet to hear one criticism by either of you two about Wilcox in fact. Even after ASU you both rushed to his defense. As well as the Oregon game and the UCLA game. You talk him up like he walks on water.
He struggled with no huddle teams, the exceptions being Boise State, Arizona and BYU this year. There was definite improvement happening against the no huddle teams. In 2011, we struggled against ever single one. Held Arizona 134 yards below their average. His defenses played very well against Oregon State twice. They played well against USC in 2012. Barkley threw for less than 200 and Trufant shut Marquis Lee down. That was a good offense. They held Stanford to 279 yards this year which was 134 yards below their average of 413, held WSU 100 below their average.
He did well against a number of pretty good teams and was a good DC, despite some shitty games. It's not dancing around to acknowledge some shitty games, but think he did a nice job. The overall picture proves that, and arguing otherwise is pretty fucking stupid. I was slightly disappointed last year, but the defense improved from year 1 to 2, and should be better this year. Wilcox had a few good players, but the personnel wasn't that great and was young. There are guys on the defense that made huge jumps and players actually got developed under Wilcox. We have the same front 7 today as in 2012 except for Fuimaono, a guy who wasn't even a full time starter.
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I don't think he will ever win the South, but I won't be shocked if he does in 2016, or 2017 (if he makes it). Sark still sucks and has the same flaws. Mora will make things especially difficult, but as I previously posted, I have a hard time believing Mora doesn't want to get back in the NFL after the way things ended.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Back to the original point that Chest made before you guys hijacked my thread into a Wilcox love fest which is USC will win the south. Guess what? That same shit coach that held back Wilcox according to you and Chest is still with him at USC. So why will things change now?RoadDawg55 said:I think Race made the best point regarding Wilcox. We could have had Kirby Smart, John Chavis, or Pat Narduzzi as DC and it wouldn't have made much, if any difference. Sark set the tone for the program, even if Wilcox was in charge of the D. Wilcox was the least of our problems and was a great hire.
That has been my point in this thread. Despite bringing in top tier talent I don't see USC winning the division under Sark. Special Teams is too sloppy, not good in the RZ, defense doesn't create plays, too many dumb bonehead mistakes, sloppy program in general, shitty on the road, etc despite great talent won't amount to shit. -
I don't think he struggled with no huddle teams as much as multi dimensional offenses.
Against one dimensional offenses he did well. Against teams who can pass and run is where we'd struggle.
I don't think Dude Brah wins the south. He's not a championship coach. Way too many negative qualities of his teams that champions don't do.
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Hijacked the thread?
I didn't even mention Wilcox by name in my first post about why I thought Sark would win the South at least once. That's what we were debating until you said I had an agenda like Kim.
Forget about Wilcox. Lets just assume Sark is a -1 coach with Wilcox. If USC gets top 5 or top 10 talent than its easy (at least for me) to think that Sark will win the south at least once. He's not a good coach but he's not Gilby. Now the sanctions may prevent that. I dont know what the effect will be. Maybe you guys have a better idea.
I can see UCLA winning 2/3 but not three in a row. I don't see ASU or UA winning it that other year. USC is in the weaker division. Even last year if they beat ASU they would have tied for the south. The year before they would have won it if they beat UCLA. So even in their bad years they will still be right in the mix.
Just a prediction but Sark will be in the Pac-12 championship game with his job on the line- facing Petersen, in 2016. -
Wilcox is a good DC but USC ain't doing shit with him as their DC if Sark is their HC.
Also, water is wet. -
If everyone else in this thread can please take a look at what Boobs wrote here, you'll see how you summarize an argument and not go into TL, DR territory. You also can avoid the incoherent, pointless rants from PL_SS.TierbsHsotBoobs said:Wilcox is a good DC but USC ain't doing shit with him as their DC if Sark is their HC.
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How can Mora go to the NFL when he has a CONTRACT! You must have missed the memo where Mora is the only coach in America where you can't break his contract.RoadDawg55 said:
I don't think he will ever win the South, but I won't be shocked if he does in 2016, or 2017 (if he makes it). Sark still sucks and has the same flaws. Mora will make things especially difficult, but as I previously posted, I have a hard time believing Mora doesn't want to get back in the NFL after the way things ended.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Back to the original point that Chest made before you guys hijacked my thread into a Wilcox love fest which is USC will win the south. Guess what? That same shit coach that held back Wilcox according to you and Chest is still with him at USC. So why will things change now?RoadDawg55 said:I think Race made the best point regarding Wilcox. We could have had Kirby Smart, John Chavis, or Pat Narduzzi as DC and it wouldn't have made much, if any difference. Sark set the tone for the program, even if Wilcox was in charge of the D. Wilcox was the least of our problems and was a great hire.
That has been my point in this thread. Despite bringing in top tier talent I don't see USC winning the division under Sark. Special Teams is too sloppy, not good in the RZ, defense doesn't create plays, too many dumb bonehead mistakes, sloppy program in general, shitty on the road, etc despite great talent won't amount to shit. -
HeretoBeatmyChest said:
I don't think its dooging it up when there are credible reasons behind the optimism.
Petersen is a proven championship coach and his style and tactics are different and light years ahead of Sark, who in his 5th year had a top 20 metrics team (before BYU win) that would have been top 10 easily with Petersen. Combine Petersen's track record and aura of national recognition with UW's advantages and tradition and theres no logical reason to think he won't have UW back in the top 10 regularly and competing on the national scale. Whether he goes 12-2 or 10-4 this season doesn't really change that.
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Tequilla said:
The UW program was strong before Don James ... it was strong after Don James ... the program is the program before and after Chris Petersen.
Great coaching + UW resources = Championships.
The program is what makes it all possible.
Etched in Iron brother! Oh and , but
Can I see that championship?
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HeretoBeatmyChest said:
You don't think USC will win the South at least once in the next 3-4 years? They average a conference title every 2.5 years.He_Needs_More_Time said:
I don't see it. Sark isn't beating Mora and he'll drop some road games to teams less talented.HeretoBeatmyChest said:Re: Petersen and Sark, there is a reasonable chance these two will meet in a pac-12 title game at somepoint and Sark's job could be on the line. Think 2016.
Are you counting the vacated titles?
Or are you still living in the 70's?
My apologies in advance to any 12's who may be butthurt by this poast.
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