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  • RatherBeBrewingRatherBeBrewing Member Posts: 1,557

    haie said:

    ...there's no excuse for Washington not to roll.

    Narrator: They won't...

    I'm going to again disagree with everyone about last year's games "not counting." It was football. The better prepared teams with the better gameplans won. I judge a coach based off how well their team performs relative to the talent on hand. That was a for-win roster that struggled HARD to win three. They were real football games that really counted, and it was at best a C- grade from the staff. To me, THAT'S the disturbing trend.

    If winning 11 games, leading to improved recruiting, is your path to optimism, you weren't watching in 2020, when actual, honest to god football was being played. I agree this is probably the most complete overall roster in the conference (linebacker depth aside), which is why I'm going to be so pissed when they lose four or five games.
    I‘d say 50-50 agree/disagree. Covid season games counted, but they also weren’t indicative of what teams and coaching staffs are capable of.

    Both Washington and Oregon had new OCs that were neutered by the lack of install. Rosters were out of shape because the conference didn’t care enough, teams were playing with guys they didn’t want to play. Cale Millen is a real team player, but I would have preferred to not see him being forced to make special team tackles in the conference championship game.

    There’s only so much coaching can do when you don’t have time or players to coach. 2020 gave us some answers but it raised just as many questions.
    My understanding is that UW, at least, got a full allotment of spring and fall practices in. Is this not the case? COVID is such a weird excuse. The Huskies were without two players, neither of whom were projected on the two deep. They had the full team on hand, and they practiced. If the players weren't held accountable for conditioning because COVID, that's a knock on the staff.

    The Huskies played at full strength except for missing Ryan Bowman against Stanford. As president of the Ryan Bowman fan club, I'm comfortable saying that if missing Ryan Bowman is the difference between a win and a loss against a homeless team, your skeaad has problems, and you need to open to fuckin' eyes.
    2020 in the Pac-12 was a half assed exhibition to salvage some TV dollars and staunch the bleeding of unsustainable athletics spending.

    It seems you’re understating the fallout. I thought UW was down to no WRs against hobo Stanford? Or is that just the JonDon offense? I thought Typhoid Puka wiped out half the team. Tryon and Levi sitting out didn’t hurt? I don’t know what else y’all had going on, but removing the toothy brain of the operation couldn’t have helped.

    For Oregon they had one week in the spring and a bare bones fall camp. Since no one wants to be in Eugene with no school in session the players went home and got fat. Or not fat enough. A lot of them are from the south, and since there are anti sodomy laws there they couldn’t participate in Flex Friday. It wasn’t exactly business as usual.
  • CFetters_Nacho_LoverCFetters_Nacho_Lover Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,379 Founders Club

    haie said:

    ...there's no excuse for Washington not to roll.

    Narrator: They won't...

    I'm going to again disagree with everyone about last year's games "not counting." It was football. The better prepared teams with the better gameplans won. I judge a coach based off how well their team performs relative to the talent on hand. That was a for-win roster that struggled HARD to win three. They were real football games that really counted, and it was at best a C- grade from the staff. To me, THAT'S the disturbing trend.

    If winning 11 games, leading to improved recruiting, is your path to optimism, you weren't watching in 2020, when actual, honest to god football was being played. I agree this is probably the most complete overall roster in the conference (linebacker depth aside), which is why I'm going to be so pissed when they lose four or five games.
    I‘d say 50-50 agree/disagree. Covid season games counted, but they also weren’t indicative of what teams and coaching staffs are capable of.

    Both Washington and Oregon had new OCs that were neutered by the lack of install. Rosters were out of shape because the conference didn’t care enough, teams were playing with guys they didn’t want to play. Cale Millen is a real team player, but I would have preferred to not see him being forced to make special team tackles in the conference championship game.

    There’s only so much coaching can do when you don’t have time or players to coach. 2020 gave us some answers but it raised just as many questions.
    My understanding is that UW, at least, got a full allotment of spring and fall practices in. Is this not the case? COVID is such a weird excuse. The Huskies were without two players, neither of whom were projected on the two deep. They had the full team on hand, and they practiced. If the players weren't held accountable for conditioning because COVID, that's a knock on the staff.

    The Huskies played at full strength except for missing Ryan Bowman against Stanford. As president of the Ryan Bowman fan club, I'm comfortable saying that if missing Ryan Bowman is the difference between a win and a loss against a homeless team, your skeaad has problems, and you need to open to fuckin' eyes.
    I don’t think UW got any spring practices. COVID shut things down over and just after St Patrick’s day and UW normally starts spring practice around April 1st.
  • BroadcastingDawgBroadcastingDawg Member Posts: 1,438

    I’m no Duck apologist not do I know if Christoballz is a good coach or not but here are some facts.

    He’s recruiting at a high level and talent can make up for shitty coaching.

    I don’t hold his record at FIU/FAU whatever U against him. That was basically an expansion team.

    Just like Jimmy, both coaches are in LIPO mode but Christoballz has things trending slightly better due to the recruiting results.

    It can.

    For Oregon it hasn't.

    I kind of see Oregon like Helton's USC... the dude did win a Rose Bowl. But they're not an elite program.
  • lawsandllawsandl Member Posts: 1,555
    edited August 2021

    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    ...there's no excuse for Washington not to roll.

    Narrator: They won't...

    I'm going to again disagree with everyone about last year's games "not counting." It was football. The better prepared teams with the better gameplans won. I judge a coach based off how well their team performs relative to the talent on hand. That was a for-win roster that struggled HARD to win three. They were real football games that really counted, and it was at best a C- grade from the staff. To me, THAT'S the disturbing trend.

    If winning 11 games, leading to improved recruiting, is your path to optimism, you weren't watching in 2020, when actual, honest to god football was being played. I agree this is probably the most complete overall roster in the conference (linebacker depth aside), which is why I'm going to be so pissed when they lose four or five games.
    I‘d say 50-50 agree/disagree. Covid season games counted, but they also weren’t indicative of what teams and coaching staffs are capable of.

    Both Washington and Oregon had new OCs that were neutered by the lack of install. Rosters were out of shape because the conference didn’t care enough, teams were playing with guys they didn’t want to play. Cale Millen is a real team player, but I would have preferred to not see him being forced to make special team tackles in the conference championship game.

    There’s only so much coaching can do when you don’t have time or players to coach. 2020 gave us some answers but it raised just as many questions.
    My understanding is that UW, at least, got a full allotment of spring and fall practices in. Is this not the case? COVID is such a weird excuse. The Huskies were without two players, neither of whom were projected on the two deep. They had the full team on hand, and they practiced. If the players weren't held accountable for conditioning because COVID, that's a knock on the staff.

    The Huskies played at full strength except for missing Ryan Bowman against Stanford. As president of the Ryan Bowman fan club, I'm comfortable saying that if missing Ryan Bowman is the difference between a win and a loss against a homeless team, your skeaad has problems, and you need to open to fuckin' eyes.
    Oregon got 3/15 spring practices and kids were off campus for all of the offseason schedule except a week of voluntary summer workouts. I have to think it was similar for UW.

    Fall camp was abbreviated too. Oregon missed 1/3 scrimmages due to a false positive covid test. It was a horrible time to install a new offense.
    What have you seen that says Oregon is trending in the right direction?

    All I've seen is Cristobal have one decent season starting mostly Helfrich/Taggert recruits...

    Thibodeaux, Sewell, Wright led defense allowed 28 PPG last year. You're rolling w. a Boston College transfer at QB because your staff ruined Shough.

    4-3 w. a total ass beating by Iowa State. Oof.

    Iowa State vs UW would’ve been the same except zero first half points for UW. Let’s be real. Iowa State was Bellevue High on steroids.

    Also, meat took a 7-6 team to 9-4 and then 12-2. He’s hired up and recruited well.

    Have fun with the season. Morris just overthrew another receiver and the on target throw was dropped. Fingers crossed Otton stays healthy. He goes down and big ooofffff.
  • lawsandllawsandl Member Posts: 1,555

    I’m no Duck apologist not do I know if Christoballz is a good coach or not but here are some facts.

    He’s recruiting at a high level and talent can make up for shitty coaching.

    I don’t hold his record at FIU/FAU whatever U against him. That was basically an expansion team.

    Just like Jimmy, both coaches are in LIPO mode but Christoballz has things trending slightly better due to the recruiting results.

    It can.

    For Oregon it hasn't.

    I kind of see Oregon like Helton's USC... the dude did win a Rose Bowl. But they're not an elite program.
    Cristobal is Helton. Okay. Cristobal is actually respected.
  • BleachedAnusDawgBleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 11,557
    dnc said:

    lawsandl said:

    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    ...there's no excuse for Washington not to roll.

    Narrator: They won't...

    I'm going to again disagree with everyone about last year's games "not counting." It was football. The better prepared teams with the better gameplans won. I judge a coach based off how well their team performs relative to the talent on hand. That was a for-win roster that struggled HARD to win three. They were real football games that really counted, and it was at best a C- grade from the staff. To me, THAT'S the disturbing trend.

    If winning 11 games, leading to improved recruiting, is your path to optimism, you weren't watching in 2020, when actual, honest to god football was being played. I agree this is probably the most complete overall roster in the conference (linebacker depth aside), which is why I'm going to be so pissed when they lose four or five games.
    I‘d say 50-50 agree/disagree. Covid season games counted, but they also weren’t indicative of what teams and coaching staffs are capable of.

    Both Washington and Oregon had new OCs that were neutered by the lack of install. Rosters were out of shape because the conference didn’t care enough, teams were playing with guys they didn’t want to play. Cale Millen is a real team player, but I would have preferred to not see him being forced to make special team tackles in the conference championship game.

    There’s only so much coaching can do when you don’t have time or players to coach. 2020 gave us some answers but it raised just as many questions.
    My understanding is that UW, at least, got a full allotment of spring and fall practices in. Is this not the case? COVID is such a weird excuse. The Huskies were without two players, neither of whom were projected on the two deep. They had the full team on hand, and they practiced. If the players weren't held accountable for conditioning because COVID, that's a knock on the staff.

    The Huskies played at full strength except for missing Ryan Bowman against Stanford. As president of the Ryan Bowman fan club, I'm comfortable saying that if missing Ryan Bowman is the difference between a win and a loss against a homeless team, your skeaad has problems, and you need to open to fuckin' eyes.
    Oregon got 3/15 spring practices and kids were off campus for all of the offseason schedule except a week of voluntary summer workouts. I have to think it was similar for UW.

    Fall camp was abbreviated too. Oregon missed 1/3 scrimmages due to a false positive covid test. It was a horrible time to install a new offense.
    What have you seen that says Oregon is trending in the right direction?

    All I've seen is Cristobal have one decent season starting mostly Helfrich/Taggert recruits...

    Thibodeaux, Sewell, Wright led defense allowed 28 PPG last year. You're rolling w. a Boston College transfer at QB because your staff ruined Shough.

    4-3 w. a total ass beating by Iowa State. Oof.

    Iowa State vs UW would’ve been the same except zero first half points for UW. Let’s be real. Iowa State was Bellevue High on steroids.

    Also, meat took a 7-6 team to 9-4 and then 12-2.
    He’s hired up and recruited well.

    Have fun with the season. Morris just overthrew another receiver and the on target throw was dropped. Fingers crossed Otton stays healthy. He goes down and big ooofffff.
    And then to 4-3.

    People forget that.
    He's on the Rick Neuheisal plan.
  • QuietcowskeeQuietcowskee Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 3,350 Swaye's Wigwam
    lawsandl said:

    Is he really that bad? Aside from Jen screwing you over you guys prob would have won the pac

    Petersen takes a lot of crap, but he did pretty well overall. He's just a good coach, not an elite one, and 2019 was pathetic.

    I haven't followed the Doogs much since the Plandemic outside of Saturdays, but I just have a bad feeling about Jimmy. Everyone sez the talent is there so he ought to be able to control the North. I think Mario got lucky that one year and isn't too bright. The Pac 12 is pretty weak right now. If he's a great coach, he'll figure out a way to win it.
    Mario got lucky last year or the year before that?
    Mario was a .500 coach last year.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,739

    lawsandl said:

    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    ...there's no excuse for Washington not to roll.

    Narrator: They won't...

    I'm going to again disagree with everyone about last year's games "not counting." It was football. The better prepared teams with the better gameplans won. I judge a coach based off how well their team performs relative to the talent on hand. That was a for-win roster that struggled HARD to win three. They were real football games that really counted, and it was at best a C- grade from the staff. To me, THAT'S the disturbing trend.

    If winning 11 games, leading to improved recruiting, is your path to optimism, you weren't watching in 2020, when actual, honest to god football was being played. I agree this is probably the most complete overall roster in the conference (linebacker depth aside), which is why I'm going to be so pissed when they lose four or five games.
    I‘d say 50-50 agree/disagree. Covid season games counted, but they also weren’t indicative of what teams and coaching staffs are capable of.

    Both Washington and Oregon had new OCs that were neutered by the lack of install. Rosters were out of shape because the conference didn’t care enough, teams were playing with guys they didn’t want to play. Cale Millen is a real team player, but I would have preferred to not see him being forced to make special team tackles in the conference championship game.

    There’s only so much coaching can do when you don’t have time or players to coach. 2020 gave us some answers but it raised just as many questions.
    My understanding is that UW, at least, got a full allotment of spring and fall practices in. Is this not the case? COVID is such a weird excuse. The Huskies were without two players, neither of whom were projected on the two deep. They had the full team on hand, and they practiced. If the players weren't held accountable for conditioning because COVID, that's a knock on the staff.

    The Huskies played at full strength except for missing Ryan Bowman against Stanford. As president of the Ryan Bowman fan club, I'm comfortable saying that if missing Ryan Bowman is the difference between a win and a loss against a homeless team, your skeaad has problems, and you need to open to fuckin' eyes.
    Oregon got 3/15 spring practices and kids were off campus for all of the offseason schedule except a week of voluntary summer workouts. I have to think it was similar for UW.

    Fall camp was abbreviated too. Oregon missed 1/3 scrimmages due to a false positive covid test. It was a horrible time to install a new offense.
    What have you seen that says Oregon is trending in the right direction?

    All I've seen is Cristobal have one decent season starting mostly Helfrich/Taggert recruits...

    Thibodeaux, Sewell, Wright led defense allowed 28 PPG last year. You're rolling w. a Boston College transfer at QB because your staff ruined Shough.

    4-3 w. a total ass beating by Iowa State. Oof.

    Iowa State vs UW would’ve been the same except zero first half points for UW. Let’s be real. Iowa State was Bellevue High on steroids.

    Also, meat took a 7-6 team to 9-4 and then 12-2. He’s hired up and recruited well.

    Have fun with the season. Morris just overthrew another receiver and the on target throw was dropped. Fingers crossed Otton stays healthy. He goes down and big ooofffff.
    But Washington post of the day

    Petersen took a 7-6 team to the playoffs then back to 8-5

    Meathead has one good season in his fucking career

    Just because the recruiting fan boys love him doesn't change that
    I should also add that Pete's greatest crime against humanity, was not the 3 NY6 losses, but rather, not putting the boot to Meat's throat in 2018 and 19. He single handedly let those buttholes get back into game.
    This isn't actually true. Winning one or two of those NY6 games would have done far more for the national perception around the program than winning one or two of those Duck games.

    But I agree completely they were a massive failure (and far less excusable than the NY6 failures).
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,739

    lawsandl said:

    Is he really that bad? Aside from Jen screwing you over you guys prob would have won the pac

    Petersen takes a lot of crap, but he did pretty well overall. He's just a good coach, not an elite one, and 2019 was pathetic.

    I haven't followed the Doogs much since the Plandemic outside of Saturdays, but I just have a bad feeling about Jimmy. Everyone sez the talent is there so he ought to be able to control the North. I think Mario got lucky that one year and isn't too bright. The Pac 12 is pretty weak right now. If he's a great coach, he'll figure out a way to win it.
    Mario got lucky last year or the year before that?
    Mario was a *lucky* .500 coach last year.
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