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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,237 Founders Club
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    haie said:

    YellowSnow said:

    @creepycoug how do I keep my sons from becoming lowly quooks or boovs?

    You should have your kids go to Portland State. That way they can go be someone's bitch in Hillsboro and be an unfunny Twitter douche hanging out with the rest of the dregs of the Portland area talking about their jack duck fandom and why they're smarter than everyone else because of their politics.
    I'm probably going to have to start the kids on the rowing machine around age 14-15 to get them into UW out of state. Worked for me. I'm was Cuog material academically coming out of HS.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036
    Kaepsknee said:

    creepycoug said:

    pawz said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Woof said:

    creepycoug said:

    Woof said:

    As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.

    For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.

    Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.

    Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.

    UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.

    Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
    For undergrad, strong disagree, because what most prestigious employers and grad schools care about is the difficulty of getting into said school, along with the average GPA/SAT/ACT type stuff.

    The stats for the three schools are as follows:
    UVA - 25% acceptance, 1430 SAT
    W&M - 36% acceptance, 1415 SAT
    UW - 49% acceptance, 1340 SAT

    Now if a student just wants to be a teacher or a nurse, or just get a diploma and not pursue a graduate degree, the argument is moot. If you want to get a job on Wall Street, are pursuing a few specific degrees like CompSci, or get into a top grad school, then the name on your undergrad degree matters much more.

    For grad schools, I'm in agreement with everything you said. UW punches far above its undergrad ranking across almost every graduate degree.
    Truth. I’m a pour because of my Pumpeii Mill UW BA.




    And also cause I’m lazy as fuck at academis.
    You or somebody asked about Willamette. Yes, solid school. You can't be dumb and slide in. It's an not elite place by ranking, reputation or substance, but it's a solid small private college. In this category, none of the PNW schools are ranked super high nationally, and there are a variety of reasons for that. I rank the NW liberal arts colleges as follows:

    Whitman/Reed - academically in their own league in the PNW and pretty much beyond dispute. Very hard to get in; your classmates will all be smart and intellectually rigorous kids. If you say something stupid in class, it will really stand out. These guys are more comparable to (but not as highly ranked as) the Little Three, Pomona, Claremont, Middlebury, Swarthmore, Hamilton, Colgate, Bowdoin, Colby, etc. If small college in the PNW is what you want, these are the top 2 and it's pretty clear. How Fetters got into Whitman I'll never know.

    Willamette/UPS/PLU/Lewis&Clark - decent gap between these guysms and Whitman/Reed, but solid schools. L&C may be a little more selective than the others here.

    Whitworth/Linfield/GF - I might be wrong in terms of selectivity; this is more general impression.

    If I'm forgetting someone, it doesn't really matter.



    I am a big Willamette fan. Mostly because without Willamette I wouldn't be here. My two dads met while one was in law school and the other an undergrad.

    I have no idea the status anymore, however the Law School used to be exceptional. My dad's class had a lot of people who went on to elite careers. I don't remember all of them but one specifically was the first to take on the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church for diddling little bois. From there he went and lectured at Oxford.

    It's a good school. I would not have blinked an eye if any of my kids had wanted to attend. Basically, most kids who can get into Willamette can get into UW undergrad today. The people I know from there are smart and effective and tend to be pretty successful.
    It used to be that most Willamette kids were from California 20 years ago but moar are local now. Be it paying out of state tuition in this ECONOMIS!!! or whatever the factor is, many more are locos. And considering Oregon Public High Schools consistently are bottom 10 in performance and grad rates, it should open some eyes. However Tokyo U is still a big thing at Willamette with hundreds coming over the blue pond every year to study. And as we know, Salem ain’t Malibu. So basically I’ve spun a lot of circles here to say that Willamette is still probably a decent school.
    Willamette tuition is the same for in- or out-of-staters.
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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    YellowSnow said:

    d

    haie said:

    YellowSnow said:

    @creepycoug how do I keep my sons from becoming lowly quooks or boovs?

    You should have your kids go to Portland State. That way they can go be someone's bitch in Hillsboro and be an unfunny Twitter douche hanging out with the rest of the dregs of the Portland area talking about their jack duck fandom and why they're smarter than everyone else because of their politics.
    I'm probably going to have to start the kids on the rowing machine around age 14-15 to get them into UW out of state. Worked for me. I'm was Cuog material academically coming out of HS.
    That's obvious.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036
    edited January 2021
    Swaye said:

    creepycoug said:

    Woof said:

    As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.

    For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.

    Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.

    Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.

    UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.

    Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
    Agree with all of this, but to 99% of the world a UVA degree is an elite degree. UW is not. I say this as a UW grad (undergrad). UVA, whether deserved or not, is the east coast Berkeley (whether deserved or not). But maybe that is what you were saying anyway. English isn't my first language. And neither is Cuban.
    We speak Cuban here engin. I thought we? were clear at the time of the transfer of power.

    Agreed; UVa is the Berkeley and UNC Chapel Hill is the UCLA. The east coast doesn't have a lot of great public universities outside of the academies, which is a different kettle of fish altogether. The midwest and west are where that game is played best. Florida has become a very solid public U, as has Georgia. But they would suffer the same "ok" reputation rep as UW. UVa and UNC are acceptable to the academis elites. As far as publics, Cal is the better school, followed somewhat closely by Michigan, just IMO.
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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    creepycoug said:

    Swaye said:

    creepycoug said:

    Woof said:

    As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.

    For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.

    Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.

    Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.

    UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.

    Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
    Agree with all of this, but to 99% of the world a UVA degree is an elite degree. UW is not. I say this as a UW grad (undergrad). UVA, whether deserved or not, is the east coast Berkeley (whether deserved or not). But maybe that is what you were saying anyway. English isn't my first language. And neither is Cuban.
    We speak Cuban here engin. I thought we? were clear at the time of the transfer of power.

    Agreed; UVa is the Berkeley and UNC Chapel Hill is the UCLA. The east coast doesn't have a lot of great public universities. The mid-west and west are where that game is played best. Florida has become a very solid public U, as has Georgia. But they would suffer the same reputation rep as UW. UVa and UNC are acceptable to the academis elites. As far as publics, Cal is the better school, followed somewhat closely by Michigan, just IMO.
    Yeah around these parts I think most people "in the know" kind of think Cal, UVA and Michigan are kind of the class of the publics, followed by the second tiers like UNC, Texas, UCLA, etc.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036
    Swaye said:

    creepycoug said:

    Swaye said:

    creepycoug said:

    Woof said:

    As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.

    For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.

    Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.

    Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.

    UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.

    Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
    Agree with all of this, but to 99% of the world a UVA degree is an elite degree. UW is not. I say this as a UW grad (undergrad). UVA, whether deserved or not, is the east coast Berkeley (whether deserved or not). But maybe that is what you were saying anyway. English isn't my first language. And neither is Cuban.
    We speak Cuban here engin. I thought we? were clear at the time of the transfer of power.

    Agreed; UVa is the Berkeley and UNC Chapel Hill is the UCLA. The east coast doesn't have a lot of great public universities. The mid-west and west are where that game is played best. Florida has become a very solid public U, as has Georgia. But they would suffer the same reputation rep as UW. UVa and UNC are acceptable to the academis elites. As far as publics, Cal is the better school, followed somewhat closely by Michigan, just IMO.
    Yeah around these parts I think most people "in the know" kind of think Cal, UVA and Michigan are kind of the class of the publics, followed by the second tiers like UNC, Texas, UCLA, etc.
    That's generally how I think of them. UVa is a different animal. On research prowess alone, I would guess they can't compete with the big big dogs like Cal or Michigan, and probably a lot of others like UW, Texas, etc. UVa is more classically elite based on history, campus, etc. It's looks, feels and behaves like a fancy schmancy private school and excels in the things that those schools excel in ... law, business, etc. It's basically Georgetown but, by accident of history, it's publicly funded. The experience there, I would guess, is unique and quite different from that of being in a yuge state university like Cal or Michigan.
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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    creepycoug said:

    Swaye said:

    creepycoug said:

    Swaye said:

    creepycoug said:

    Woof said:

    As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.

    For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.

    Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.

    Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.

    UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.

    Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
    Agree with all of this, but to 99% of the world a UVA degree is an elite degree. UW is not. I say this as a UW grad (undergrad). UVA, whether deserved or not, is the east coast Berkeley (whether deserved or not). But maybe that is what you were saying anyway. English isn't my first language. And neither is Cuban.
    We speak Cuban here engin. I thought we? were clear at the time of the transfer of power.

    Agreed; UVa is the Berkeley and UNC Chapel Hill is the UCLA. The east coast doesn't have a lot of great public universities. The mid-west and west are where that game is played best. Florida has become a very solid public U, as has Georgia. But they would suffer the same reputation rep as UW. UVa and UNC are acceptable to the academis elites. As far as publics, Cal is the better school, followed somewhat closely by Michigan, just IMO.
    Yeah around these parts I think most people "in the know" kind of think Cal, UVA and Michigan are kind of the class of the publics, followed by the second tiers like UNC, Texas, UCLA, etc.
    That's generally how I think of them. UVa is a different animal. On research prowess alone, I would guess they can't compete with the big big dogs like Cal or Michigan, and probably a lot of others like UW, Texas, etc. UVa is more classically elite based on history, campus, etc. It's looks, feels and behaves like a fancy schmancy private school and excels in the things that those schools excel in ... law, business, etc. It's basically Georgetown but, by accident of history, it's publicly funded. The experience there, I would guess, is unique and quite different from that of being in a yuge state university like Cal or Michigan.
    I would agree. It is really unique. Almost no publics get to be "elite" without research dollars, and by that measure UVA doesn't stack up. It really is treated like a Columbia or Brown or what have you, even though it's a public. It occupies a unique space, but is undoubtedly a high end education and it will propel you if you want Law or Business - as you indicated. It's a great school. Unlikely the progeny of Swaye ever go there, though with the Tribal affiliation (which I will abuse because why not) who knows?
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  • whlinder
    whlinder Member Posts: 5,268
    creepycoug said:

    Swaye said:

    creepycoug said:

    Woof said:

    As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.

    For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.

    Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.

    Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.

    UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.

    Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
    Agree with all of this, but to 99% of the world a UVA degree is an elite degree. UW is not. I say this as a UW grad (undergrad). UVA, whether deserved or not, is the east coast Berkeley (whether deserved or not). But maybe that is what you were saying anyway. English isn't my first language. And neither is Cuban.
    We speak Cuban here engin. I thought we? were clear at the time of the transfer of power.

    Agreed; UVa is the Berkeley and UNC Chapel Hill is the UCLA. The east coast doesn't have a lot of great public universities outside of the academies, which is a different kettle of fish altogether. The midwest and west are where that game is played best. Florida has become a very solid public U, as has Georgia. But they would suffer the same "ok" reputation rep as UW. UVa and UNC are acceptable to the academis elites. As far as publics, Cal is the better school, followed somewhat closely by Michigan, just IMO.
    Georgia Tech would like a word. To me GaTech is the 2nd best east coast public after UVa, and the best at anything science or quantitative.

    Penn State was ranked in the 60s last I recall. It's not awful. Maryland is.... ok. But I do agree with the premise, for as many people live up in the Northeast corridor there are precious few great public universities for them.
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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    creepycoug said:

    Swaye said:

    creepycoug said:

    Woof said:

    As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.

    For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.

    Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.

    Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.

    UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.

    Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
    Agree with all of this, but to 99% of the world a UVA degree is an elite degree. UW is not. I say this as a UW grad (undergrad). UVA, whether deserved or not, is the east coast Berkeley (whether deserved or not). But maybe that is what you were saying anyway. English isn't my first language. And neither is Cuban.
    We speak Cuban here engin. I thought we? were clear at the time of the transfer of power.

    Agreed; UVa is the Berkeley and UNC Chapel Hill is the UCLA. The east coast doesn't have a lot of great public universities outside of the academies, which is a different kettle of fish altogether. The midwest and west are where that game is played best. Florida has become a very solid public U, as has Georgia. But they would suffer the same "ok" reputation rep as UW. UVa and UNC are acceptable to the academis elites. As far as publics, Cal is the better school, followed somewhat closely by Michigan, just IMO.
    When I lived out east everyone thought it was super weird I'd gone to a public school for high school and a state uni

    I was like uhh I live within 2 miles of motorola microchip honeywell and intel. My school was like half asian.

    I didn't realize that everyone had to go to private schools or you'll be stuck with the ghetto trash out east.
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  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    edited January 2021
    Maybe because I live in nyc, but I feel like uva is on a decline (like wake forest 15 years ago) Also schools like Emory seems to be more up and coming
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036
    edited January 2021
    FireCohen said:

    Maybe because I live in nyc, but I feel like uva is on a decline (like wake forest 15 years ago) Also schools like Emory seems to be more up and coming

    Emory is a great school. So is Wake Forest. They're both tough to get into and have healthy endowments. Wake has a beautiful campus. Daughter had a full ride (as in, zero out of pocket, including room and board) to go to grad school there. Turned it down for Brown. FYFMFE.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,816 Founders Club
    whlinder said:

    creepycoug said:

    Swaye said:

    creepycoug said:

    Woof said:

    As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.

    For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.

    Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.

    Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.

    UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.

    Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
    Agree with all of this, but to 99% of the world a UVA degree is an elite degree. UW is not. I say this as a UW grad (undergrad). UVA, whether deserved or not, is the east coast Berkeley (whether deserved or not). But maybe that is what you were saying anyway. English isn't my first language. And neither is Cuban.
    We speak Cuban here engin. I thought we? were clear at the time of the transfer of power.

    Agreed; UVa is the Berkeley and UNC Chapel Hill is the UCLA. The east coast doesn't have a lot of great public universities outside of the academies, which is a different kettle of fish altogether. The midwest and west are where that game is played best. Florida has become a very solid public U, as has Georgia. But they would suffer the same "ok" reputation rep as UW. UVa and UNC are acceptable to the academis elites. As far as publics, Cal is the better school, followed somewhat closely by Michigan, just IMO.
    Georgia Tech would like a word. To me GaTech is the 2nd best east coast public after UVa, and the best at anything science or quantitative.

    Penn State was ranked in the 60s last I recall. It's not awful. Maryland is.... ok. But I do agree with the premise, for as many people live up in the Northeast corridor there are precious few great public universities for them.
    I knew a Georgia Tech grad back in the late 70s. He was a nerd before nerds were cool. Really smart

    UVa gets a lot of mileage out of Thomas Jefferson in my humble opinion from afar
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036
    FireCohen said:

    Maybe because I live in nyc, but I feel like uva is on a decline (like wake forest 15 years ago) Also schools like Emory seems to be more up and coming

    Not sure I'd agree with that; but there are a small handful of things I don't know.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036
    Pitchfork51 said:

    creepycoug said:

    Swaye said:

    creepycoug said:

    Woof said:

    As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.

    For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.

    Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.

    Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.

    UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.

    Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
    Agree with all of this, but to 99% of the world a UVA degree is an elite degree. UW is not. I say this as a UW grad (undergrad). UVA, whether deserved or not, is the east coast Berkeley (whether deserved or not). But maybe that is what you were saying anyway. English isn't my first language. And neither is Cuban.
    We speak Cuban here engin. I thought we? were clear at the time of the transfer of power.

    Agreed; UVa is the Berkeley and UNC Chapel Hill is the UCLA. The east coast doesn't have a lot of great public universities outside of the academies, which is a different kettle of fish altogether. The midwest and west are where that game is played best. Florida has become a very solid public U, as has Georgia. But they would suffer the same "ok" reputation rep as UW. UVa and UNC are acceptable to the academis elites. As far as publics, Cal is the better school, followed somewhat closely by Michigan, just IMO.
    When I lived out east everyone thought it was super weird I'd gone to a public school for high school and a state uni

    I was like uhh I live within 2 miles of motorola microchip honeywell and intel. My school was like half asian.

    I didn't realize that everyone had to go to private schools or you'll be stuck with the ghetto trash out east.
    That is the general presumption. Private school is a bigger deal there, high school and college.
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  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    edited January 2021
    creepycoug said:

    FireCohen said:

    Maybe because I live in nyc, but I feel like uva is on a decline (like wake forest 15 years ago) Also schools like Emory seems to be more up and coming

    Emory is a great school. So is Wake Forest. They're both tough to get into and have a healthy endowments. Wake has a beautiful campus. Daughter had a full ride (as in, zero out of pocket, including room and board) to go to grad school there. Turned it down for Brown. FYFMFE.
    No i am not doubting the education. Just elite job placement. Emory probably places more kids into wall street than UVA and wake forest combined
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036
    whlinder said:

    creepycoug said:

    Swaye said:

    creepycoug said:

    Woof said:

    As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.

    For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.

    Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.

    Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.

    UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.

    Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
    Agree with all of this, but to 99% of the world a UVA degree is an elite degree. UW is not. I say this as a UW grad (undergrad). UVA, whether deserved or not, is the east coast Berkeley (whether deserved or not). But maybe that is what you were saying anyway. English isn't my first language. And neither is Cuban.
    We speak Cuban here engin. I thought we? were clear at the time of the transfer of power.

    Agreed; UVa is the Berkeley and UNC Chapel Hill is the UCLA. The east coast doesn't have a lot of great public universities outside of the academies, which is a different kettle of fish altogether. The midwest and west are where that game is played best. Florida has become a very solid public U, as has Georgia. But they would suffer the same "ok" reputation rep as UW. UVa and UNC are acceptable to the academis elites. As far as publics, Cal is the better school, followed somewhat closely by Michigan, just IMO.
    Georgia Tech would like a word. To me GaTech is the 2nd best east coast public after UVa, and the best at anything science or quantitative.

    Penn State was ranked in the 60s last I recall. It's not awful. Maryland is.... ok. But I do agree with the premise, for as many people live up in the Northeast corridor there are precious few great public universities for them.
    GT is great at what it's great at: Engineering and related areas. It's a great school, but I'm not sure I'd put it over UNC Chapel Hill. At best along side it as equals.
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    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036
    FireCohen said:

    creepycoug said:

    FireCohen said:

    Maybe because I live in nyc, but I feel like uva is on a decline (like wake forest 15 years ago) Also schools like Emory seems to be more up and coming

    Emory is a great school. So is Wake Forest. They're both tough to get into and have a healthy endowments. Wake has a beautiful campus. Daughter had a full ride (as in, zero out of pocket, including room and board) to go to grad school there. Turned it down for Brown. FYFMFE.
    No i am not doubting the education. Just elite job placement. Emory probably places more kids into wall street than UVA and wake forest combined
    That would not surprise me. Emory is also just a "hot" school right now. Those things ebb and flow, but with the money they have I don't see them moving down any time soon.
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    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    creepycoug said:

    whlinder said:

    creepycoug said:

    Swaye said:

    creepycoug said:

    Woof said:

    As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.

    For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.

    Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.

    Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.

    UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.

    Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
    Agree with all of this, but to 99% of the world a UVA degree is an elite degree. UW is not. I say this as a UW grad (undergrad). UVA, whether deserved or not, is the east coast Berkeley (whether deserved or not). But maybe that is what you were saying anyway. English isn't my first language. And neither is Cuban.
    We speak Cuban here engin. I thought we? were clear at the time of the transfer of power.

    Agreed; UVa is the Berkeley and UNC Chapel Hill is the UCLA. The east coast doesn't have a lot of great public universities outside of the academies, which is a different kettle of fish altogether. The midwest and west are where that game is played best. Florida has become a very solid public U, as has Georgia. But they would suffer the same "ok" reputation rep as UW. UVa and UNC are acceptable to the academis elites. As far as publics, Cal is the better school, followed somewhat closely by Michigan, just IMO.
    Georgia Tech would like a word. To me GaTech is the 2nd best east coast public after UVa, and the best at anything science or quantitative.

    Penn State was ranked in the 60s last I recall. It's not awful. Maryland is.... ok. But I do agree with the premise, for as many people live up in the Northeast corridor there are precious few great public universities for them.
    GT is great at what it's great at: Engineering and related areas. It's a great school, but I'm not sure I'd put it over UNC Chapel Hill. At best along side it as equals.
    Definitely would put unc over gt in every regard unless it is engineering. Vandy’s prestige is a fucking myth everyone talks about it just never seen any vandy grads that are notable. I would say only school in the south is legit as fuck is duke
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    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    creepycoug said:

    FireCohen said:

    Maybe because I live in nyc, but I feel like uva is on a decline (like wake forest 15 years ago) Also schools like Emory seems to be more up and coming

    Emory is a great school. So is Wake Forest. They're both tough to get into and have healthy endowments. Wake has a beautiful campus. Daughter had a full ride (as in, zero out of pocket, including room and board) to go to grad school there. Turned it down for Brown. FYFMFE.
    Hard to pass up a brown education
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    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036
    FireCohen said:

    dflea said:

    FireCohen said:

    creepycoug said:

    FireCohen said:

    Maybe because I live in nyc, but I feel like uva is on a decline (like wake forest 15 years ago) Also schools like Emory seems to be more up and coming

    Emory is a great school. So is Wake Forest. They're both tough to get into and have healthy endowments. Wake has a beautiful campus. Daughter had a full ride (as in, zero out of pocket, including room and board) to go to grad school there. Turned it down for Brown. FYFMFE.
    Hard to pass up a brown education
    A Brown education with with dad writing the checks.

    Smart girl.
    Yeah, fuck @creepycoug and his wallet
    There's a lot of money in that white powder.
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    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036
    FireCohen said:

    creepycoug said:

    FireCohen said:

    Maybe because I live in nyc, but I feel like uva is on a decline (like wake forest 15 years ago) Also schools like Emory seems to be more up and coming

    Emory is a great school. So is Wake Forest. They're both tough to get into and have healthy endowments. Wake has a beautiful campus. Daughter had a full ride (as in, zero out of pocket, including room and board) to go to grad school there. Turned it down for Brown. FYFMFE.
    Hard to pass up a brown education
    I never the blame the kids ....
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    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036
    FireCohen said:

    creepycoug said:

    whlinder said:

    creepycoug said:

    Swaye said:

    creepycoug said:

    Woof said:

    As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.

    For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.

    Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.

    Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.

    UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.

    Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
    Agree with all of this, but to 99% of the world a UVA degree is an elite degree. UW is not. I say this as a UW grad (undergrad). UVA, whether deserved or not, is the east coast Berkeley (whether deserved or not). But maybe that is what you were saying anyway. English isn't my first language. And neither is Cuban.
    We speak Cuban here engin. I thought we? were clear at the time of the transfer of power.

    Agreed; UVa is the Berkeley and UNC Chapel Hill is the UCLA. The east coast doesn't have a lot of great public universities outside of the academies, which is a different kettle of fish altogether. The midwest and west are where that game is played best. Florida has become a very solid public U, as has Georgia. But they would suffer the same "ok" reputation rep as UW. UVa and UNC are acceptable to the academis elites. As far as publics, Cal is the better school, followed somewhat closely by Michigan, just IMO.
    Georgia Tech would like a word. To me GaTech is the 2nd best east coast public after UVa, and the best at anything science or quantitative.

    Penn State was ranked in the 60s last I recall. It's not awful. Maryland is.... ok. But I do agree with the premise, for as many people live up in the Northeast corridor there are precious few great public universities for them.
    GT is great at what it's great at: Engineering and related areas. It's a great school, but I'm not sure I'd put it over UNC Chapel Hill. At best along side it as equals.
    Definitely would put unc over gt in every regard unless it is engineering. Vandy’s prestige is a fucking myth everyone talks about it just never seen any vandy grads that are notable. I would say only school in the south is legit as fuck is duke
    Duke is legit, and also an example of the reality that money can buy you a lot of history. One of my Dad's old biz partners went there, and he used to joke that he was glad he caught the elevator when it was on the first floor. It was at one point the school for southern kids who couldn't crack Vandy. Then one day they said, "fuck it. we're going to be top ten in everything that matters," and they did it. Combine that with a crazy nice campus, and boom ... Duke is the Harvard of the Souwf.
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    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,627
    The "elite school" culture is something I have seen through friends' experiences. A good friend went to Princeton out of HS (he wanted to go to Montana for football, but his parents said "NO"), and he flunked out after two years. His roommates were east-coast / foreign prep school rich boys, bowls full of coke, driving Porsches, and he was a kid from EWA driving a 76 Nova...he started going into NYC all the time to punk clubs. He never did graduate, but he turned out ok, retired at 37 after working on something called "Windows"...to think I considered going to Dartmouth, I probably would have been home by the first Christmas. Or a hedge fund manager...
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