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Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.Woof said:As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.
For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.
Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.
UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.
Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care. -
Agreed. UW, for whatever reason, has never been all that successful in getting its rep. on the east coast. They tend to think of Cal and Furd and UCLA first among schools in the west.whlinder said:Oh I know, but the girl likes football. So she wants to go to Penn State. I’m working on it.
I’m throwing stones in a glass house with that since I didn’t apply to UVA or any other Virginia school.
UW is better than that but with it being so big the amazing things it does get averaged down. I know a lot of UVA people and I swear that for the quantitative fields UW is way better.
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In a world where Bachelors degrees in pumping gas are just being handed out, where you get one from doesn’t really matter. It’s where you get your Masters degree in pumping gas that matters.
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For undergrad, strong disagree, because what most prestigious employers and grad schools care about is the difficulty of getting into said school, along with the average GPA/SAT/ACT type stuff.creepycoug said:
Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.Woof said:As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.
For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.
Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.
UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.
Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
The stats for the three schools are as follows:
UVA - 25% acceptance, 1430 SAT
W&M - 36% acceptance, 1415 SAT
UW - 49% acceptance, 1340 SAT
Now if a student just wants to be a teacher or a nurse, or just get a diploma and not pursue a graduate degree, the argument is moot. If you want to get a job on Wall Street, are pursuing a few specific degrees like CompSci, or get into a top grad school, then the name on your undergrad degree matters much more.
For grad schools, I'm in agreement with everything you said. UW punches far above its undergrad ranking across almost every graduate degree. -
Truth. I’m a pour because of my Pumpeii Mill UW BA.Woof said:
For undergrad, strong disagree, because what most prestigious employers and grad schools care about is the difficulty of getting into said school, along with the average GPA/SAT/ACT type stuff.creepycoug said:
Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.Woof said:As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.
For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.
Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.
UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.
Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
The stats for the three schools are as follows:
UVA - 25% acceptance, 1430 SAT
W&M - 36% acceptance, 1415 SAT
UW - 49% acceptance, 1340 SAT
Now if a student just wants to be a teacher or a nurse, or just get a diploma and not pursue a graduate degree, the argument is moot. If you want to get a job on Wall Street, are pursuing a few specific degrees like CompSci, or get into a top grad school, then the name on your undergrad degree matters much more.
For grad schools, I'm in agreement with everything you said. UW punches far above its undergrad ranking across almost every graduate degree.
And also cause I’m lazy as fuck at academis. -
You or somebody asked about Willamette. Yes, solid school. You can't be dumb and slide in. It's an not elite place by ranking, reputation or substance, but it's a solid small private college. In this category, none of the PNW schools are ranked super high nationally, and there are a variety of reasons for that. I rank the NW liberal arts colleges as follows:YellowSnow said:
Truth. I’m a pour because of my Pumpeii Mill UW BA.Woof said:
For undergrad, strong disagree, because what most prestigious employers and grad schools care about is the difficulty of getting into said school, along with the average GPA/SAT/ACT type stuff.creepycoug said:
Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.Woof said:As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.
For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.
Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.
UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.
Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
The stats for the three schools are as follows:
UVA - 25% acceptance, 1430 SAT
W&M - 36% acceptance, 1415 SAT
UW - 49% acceptance, 1340 SAT
Now if a student just wants to be a teacher or a nurse, or just get a diploma and not pursue a graduate degree, the argument is moot. If you want to get a job on Wall Street, are pursuing a few specific degrees like CompSci, or get into a top grad school, then the name on your undergrad degree matters much more.
For grad schools, I'm in agreement with everything you said. UW punches far above its undergrad ranking across almost every graduate degree.
And also cause I’m lazy as fuck at academis.
Whitman/Reed - academically in their own league in the PNW and pretty much beyond dispute. Very hard to get in; your classmates will all be smart and intellectually rigorous kids. If you say something stupid in class, it will really stand out. These guys are more comparable to (but not as highly ranked as) the Little Three, Pomona, Claremont, Middlebury, Swarthmore, Hamilton, Colgate, Bowdoin, Colby, etc. If small college in the PNW is what you want, these are the top 2 and it's pretty clear. How Fetters got into Whitman I'll never know.
Willamette/UPS/PLU/Lewis&Clark - decent gap between these guysms and Whitman/Reed, but solid schools. L&C may be a little more selective than the others here.
Whitworth/Linfield/GF - I might be wrong in terms of selectivity; this is more general impression.
If I'm forgetting someone, it doesn't really matter.
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I think we're in general agreement across the board actually. UVa is more selective. I was just saying that UW has some departments that are quietly among the nation's best ... top 10 or 15. More than people tend to think. In those departments, at least, you can say UW is the better school. But department rankings are affected by research metrics, and it's questinable how relevant that is to the undergraduate experience.Woof said:
For undergrad, strong disagree, because what most prestigious employers and grad schools care about is the difficulty of getting into said school, along with the average GPA/SAT/ACT type stuff.creepycoug said:
Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.Woof said:As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.
For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.
Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.
UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.
Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
The stats for the three schools are as follows:
UVA - 25% acceptance, 1430 SAT
W&M - 36% acceptance, 1415 SAT
UW - 49% acceptance, 1340 SAT
Now if a student just wants to be a teacher or a nurse, or just get a diploma and not pursue a graduate degree, the argument is moot. If you want to get a job on Wall Street, are pursuing a few specific degrees like CompSci, or get into a top grad school, then the name on your undergrad degree matters much more.
For grad schools, I'm in agreement with everything you said. UW punches far above its undergrad ranking across almost every graduate degree.
There are exceptions. If, for example, you want Comp. Sci, UW is the clear choice, even at undergrad. We're just better at that than all but a small handful of schools and the people who matter know it. Other than that and a few other things, the measure of relevance for undergraduate studies is selectivity ... how smart are your freshman classmates. And on that score, UVa is better than UW, no question. That's where the reputation factor comes in, and you're right. It matters. Not forever, but it does matter for a time. -
My father-in-law got a masters in civil engineering from Boov. My sister-in-law got a BS in chemical engineering from Boov. My wife went to a decent state school and got a bidness and computer information systems degree. All three went on the pretty successful, high earning careers. I think the school matters - especially with the most elite institutions - but at the end of the day, the intellect and drive of the person matters a lot more.IPukeOregonGrellow said:In a world where Bachelors degrees in pumping gas are just being handed out, where you get one from doesn’t really matter. It’s where you get your Masters degree in pumping gas that matters.
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I make a shit ton pumping gas and have a lot of fun doing it. A Quook buddy of mine who used pump at my station took a shit ton of Amazon stock to fulfill Prime orders and keeps trying to talk me into coming to work with him, even though every conservation I have with him revolves about how much he hates fulfilling Prime orders. My Quook roommate who once helped me try to cover a tear gas canister EPD fired at us with a garbage can has been VP of 93 Octane for two of the Accounting Big Four. A porking lot buddy of mine who introduced me to an old boyfriend of mine bought a Malibu compound with the money he made disposing of MySpace’s body. A guy who dropped out because of weed lives in Maui and built Kelsey Grammer’s and Carlos Santana’s vacation houses.YellowSnow said:
My father-in-law got a masters in civil engineering from Boov. My sister-in-law got a BS in chemical engineering from Boov. My wife went to a decent state school and got a bidness and computer information systems degree. All three went on the pretty successful, high earning careers. I think the school matters - especially with the most elite institutions - but at the end of the day, the intellect and drive of the person matters a lot more.IPukeOregonGrellow said:In a world where Bachelors degrees in pumping gas are just being handed out, where you get one from doesn’t really matter. It’s where you get your Masters degree in pumping gas that matters.
When my illegitimate bastards ask me where they should go to college, my comment back will be undergrad isn’t really about Academis. It’s about figuring out what brand of gas you want to pump and learning the social skills to get you there. -
Well said. I hope you can pump my gas some day.IPukeOregonGrellow said:
I make a shit ton pumping gas and have a lot of fun doing it. A Quook buddy of mine who used pump at my station took a shit ton of Amazon stock to fulfill Prime orders and keeps trying to talk me into coming to work with him, even though every conservation I have with him revolves about how much he hates fulfilling Prime orders. My Quook roommate who once helped me try to cover a tear gas canister EPD fired at us with a garbage can has been VP of 93 Octane for two of the Accounting Big Four. A porking lot buddy of mine who introduced me to an old boyfriend of mine bought a Malibu compound with the money he made disposing of MySpace’s body. A guy who dropped out because of weed lives in Maui and built Kelsey Grammer’s and Carlos Santana’s vacation houses.YellowSnow said:
My father-in-law got a masters in civil engineering from Boov. My sister-in-law got a BS in chemical engineering from Boov. My wife went to a decent state school and got a bidness and computer information systems degree. All three went on the pretty successful, high earning careers. I think the school matters - especially with the most elite institutions - but at the end of the day, the intellect and drive of the person matters a lot more.IPukeOregonGrellow said:In a world where Bachelors degrees in pumping gas are just being handed out, where you get one from doesn’t really matter. It’s where you get your Masters degree in pumping gas that matters.
When my illegitimate bastards ask me where they should go to college, my comment back will be undergrad isn’t really about Academis. It’s about figuring out what brand of gas you want to pump and learning the social skills to get you there.
