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  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,056 Standard Supporter
    BearsWiin said:

    This just in: Angry Simpleton HH Tryhards also Double as Rascist LawnOdor Bootlickers

    Nothing funnier than a Liberal Zombie calling other people simpletons. And racist.

    You actually have a college degree, @BearsWiin? Amazing.
  • BearsWiin
    BearsWiin Member Posts: 5,076

    BearsWiin said:

    This just in: Angry Simpleton HH Tryhards also Double as Rascist LawnOdor Bootlickers

    Nothing funnier than a Liberal Zombie calling other people simpletons. And racist.

    You actually have a college degree, @BearsWiin? Amazing.
    If the brown shirt fits
  • Houhusky
    Houhusky Member Posts: 5,537
    edited August 2020

    SFGbob said:

    The cops should have wrestled the guy down before he even reached the driver side door. It looks like the cops hesitated, then their options were limited. The guy shouldn't have resisted, but it looks like if the cops acted earlier the shooting could have been avoided.

    How do you know they didn't wrestle with him prior to this?
    Then they should have wrestled him down again, and from what I know it isn't illegal to temporarily restrain/cuff somebody. There's three of them, and the suspected wasn't huge, they should have been able to do it.
    I dont disagree on the 20/20 hindsight earlier use of non lethal force but this is the result of police acceptable use of force being absolutely destroyed by politics...

    If they taze, tackle him, cuff him on the ground before he walks to his car door, the headlines are about police tazing an unarmed black man on the sidewalk... They know they likely to get criminal hate crime charges, sued, lose their job, maybe jail time, probably their family, and no one will ever bring up the fact that their early use of force prevented him from getting shot while reaching into his vehicle (because it never happens). Im sure they have had regular training telling them to limit their physical confrontations right now.

    It sure seems like there is no longer an understood hierarchy of acceptable use of force for various situations because ANY and ALL force is now pitched a racially motivated unacceptable force, instead of these incidents being cut off before they reach this point they are required to play out until the officer's personal self preservation takes precedent.

    Racially: I am confident in saying I would have been shot in the same situation, reaching back into a car is no joke. But Im also confident in saying that I probably would have been tazed or physically apprehended sooner on account of my lack of ability to throw racial charges at the cops too.

    A muddied acceptable use of force protocol, less than compliant (often encouraged) citizenry, and hesitation from officers is going to lead to more people dying, both citizens and officers.
  • NorthwestFresh
    NorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972

    SFGbob said:

    The cops should have wrestled the guy down before he even reached the driver side door. It looks like the cops hesitated, then their options were limited. The guy shouldn't have resisted, but it looks like if the cops acted earlier the shooting could have been avoided.

    How do you know they didn't wrestle with him prior to this?
    Then they should have wrestled him down again, and from what I know it isn't illegal to temporarily restrain/cuff somebody. There's three of them, and the suspected wasn't huge, they should have been able to do it.
    Did you miss the entire George Floyd bodycam video? The officer did restrain him as George Kirby was overdosing on Fetanyl. There were even 4 televised funerals for George Taylor.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,571
    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    The cops should have wrestled the guy down before he even reached the driver side door. It looks like the cops hesitated, then their options were limited. The guy shouldn't have resisted, but it looks like if the cops acted earlier the shooting could have been avoided.

    How do you know they didn't wrestle with him prior to this?
    Then they should have wrestled him down again, and from what I know it isn't illegal to temporarily restrain/cuff somebody. There's three of them, and the suspected wasn't huge, they should have been able to do it.
    He is pretty good sized and you don't know if he already resisted being cuffed. See the Atlanta Wendy's shooting. Btw, one of the three appears to be a woman. Should she be wrestling around with him too?
    She's a cop as well, so yes she should. That's what they are trained to do.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,571

    The cops should have wrestled the guy down before he even reached the driver side door. It looks like the cops hesitated, then their options were limited. The guy shouldn't have resisted, but it looks like if the cops acted earlier the shooting could have been avoided.

    This can create a problem where cops might get physical too early, but I'd rather see a cop get physical too early, then becoming deadly by acting too late. Sometimes, acting early not only saves their lives, but also the suspect's life.

    Good reasoning, but not gonna work today, especially in the current environment. Cops gets "too rough" in front of a crowd of homies, and that's "escalation," not "de-escalation," so the cop becomes fair game at that point.

    That's the mentality they're dealing with today.
    In this current environment, early non lethal force helps the cops from possibly receiving a murder charge.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,571
    edited August 2020

    SFGbob said:

    The cops should have wrestled the guy down before he even reached the driver side door. It looks like the cops hesitated, then their options were limited. The guy shouldn't have resisted, but it looks like if the cops acted earlier the shooting could have been avoided.

    How do you know they didn't wrestle with him prior to this?
    Then they should have wrestled him down again, and from what I know it isn't illegal to temporarily restrain/cuff somebody. There's three of them, and the suspected wasn't huge, they should have been able to do it.
    Did you miss the entire George Floyd bodycam video? The officer did restrain him as George Kirby was overdosing on Fetanyl. There were even 4 televised funerals for George Taylor.
    Yes, but these cops also wouldn't have to grind their knee into the man's neck. Had they not put extended pressure on Floyd's neck, and he still happened to die, I'll be willing to bet they aren't facing murder charges right now. They would have to find another cause, as police force would be highly unlikely the reason.
  • NorthwestFresh
    NorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972

    SFGbob said:

    The cops should have wrestled the guy down before he even reached the driver side door. It looks like the cops hesitated, then their options were limited. The guy shouldn't have resisted, but it looks like if the cops acted earlier the shooting could have been avoided.

    How do you know they didn't wrestle with him prior to this?
    Then they should have wrestled him down again, and from what I know it isn't illegal to temporarily restrain/cuff somebody. There's three of them, and the suspected wasn't huge, they should have been able to do it.
    Did you miss the entire George Floyd bodycam video? The officer did restrain him as George Kirby was overdosing on Fetanyl. There were even 4 televised funerals for George Taylor.
    Yes, but these cops also wouldn't have to grind their knee into the man's neck. Had they not put extended pressure on Floyd's neck, and he still happened to die, I'll be willing to bet they aren't facing murder charges right now. They would have to find another cause, as police force would be highly unlikely the reason.
    There is only one of them with a knee on the neck. The other three are going to get acquitted. Chauvin might as well given Felonious Floyd’s toxicology report in the autopsy.

    As @MikeDamone posted last week, the DA severely overcharged all of them.