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  • BasemanBaseman Member Posts: 12,367

    Baseman said:

    Chicoms are putting out twice the CO2 as the US. Our CO2 output is decreasing and the US hasn't built a new coal plant in years. The chicoms CO2 output is increasing and they are building dozens of new coal plants with little emission controls. But Trump and America is the problem according to our watermelon green gaia religionists who would put their eyes out with a spoon before criticizing the commies.

    I'll post this again.

    Saves $ in the long run. Double down, make it happen and export our stuff. We can pay for it with a higher tax on power that still saves you and I $. Big oil will scream. Fuck them. Everything I'm proposing has a capitalist view. Simplistic but there are ways to get things done with some cooperation.

    It doesn't scale. I it did you'd know it. Berkshire gets all sorts of tax breaks and government graft and they still can't make anything worthwhile

    Just imagine how many wind mills it would take and what that would look like and how to manufacture and send around the country. It doesn't make sense or cents. Higher taxes on energy fuck poor people. Oil companies pass taxes along to the user. This is magic bullet shit not public policy

    Let's try this instead


    61% lower consumer cost sounds like a good deal to me. Plenty of opportunity for $ to pay for it and repay the tax payers with interest. What am I missing? i'll listen.
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Now I bet he wants to craft Legislation to Fund and Protect it.
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Lock that fucker down and DesignBuild those Barriers to entry
  • BasemanBaseman Member Posts: 12,367
    edited May 2020

    Baseman said:

    Chicoms are putting out twice the CO2 as the US. Our CO2 output is decreasing and the US hasn't built a new coal plant in years. The chicoms CO2 output is increasing and they are building dozens of new coal plants with little emission controls. But Trump and America is the problem according to our watermelon green gaia religionists who would put their eyes out with a spoon before criticizing the commies.

    I'll post this again.

    Saves $ in the long run. Double down, make it happen and export our stuff. We can pay for it with a higher tax on power that still saves you and I $. Big oil will scream. Fuck them. Everything I'm proposing has a capitalist view. Simplistic but there are ways to get things done with some cooperation.

    It doesn't scale. I it did you'd know it. Berkshire gets all sorts of tax breaks and government graft and they still can't make anything worthwhile

    Just imagine how many wind mills it would take and what that would look like and how to manufacture and send around the country. It doesn't make sense or cents. Higher taxes on energy fuck poor people. Oil companies pass taxes along to the user. This is magic bullet shit not public policy

    Let's try this instead


    I agree, eliminating farting cows, the major contributor to greenhouse gas emissions and fast airplanes isn't feasible, nor should it be.

    That said, renewable energy in the long run is cheaper and offsets current emissions.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,492 Founders Club
    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Chicoms are putting out twice the CO2 as the US. Our CO2 output is decreasing and the US hasn't built a new coal plant in years. The chicoms CO2 output is increasing and they are building dozens of new coal plants with little emission controls. But Trump and America is the problem according to our watermelon green gaia religionists who would put their eyes out with a spoon before criticizing the commies.

    I'll post this again.

    Saves $ in the long run. Double down, make it happen and export our stuff. We can pay for it with a higher tax on power that still saves you and I $. Big oil will scream. Fuck them. Everything I'm proposing has a capitalist view. Simplistic but there are ways to get things done with some cooperation.

    It doesn't scale. I it did you'd know it. Berkshire gets all sorts of tax breaks and government graft and they still can't make anything worthwhile

    Just imagine how many wind mills it would take and what that would look like and how to manufacture and send around the country. It doesn't make sense or cents. Higher taxes on energy fuck poor people. Oil companies pass taxes along to the user. This is magic bullet shit not public policy

    Let's try this instead


    I agree, eliminating farting cows, the major contributor to greenhouse gas and fast airplanes aren't going away, nor should they.

    That said, renewable energy in the long run is cheaper and offsets current emissions.
    If only there was an actual real world example of that

    There isn't
  • BasemanBaseman Member Posts: 12,367

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Chicoms are putting out twice the CO2 as the US. Our CO2 output is decreasing and the US hasn't built a new coal plant in years. The chicoms CO2 output is increasing and they are building dozens of new coal plants with little emission controls. But Trump and America is the problem according to our watermelon green gaia religionists who would put their eyes out with a spoon before criticizing the commies.

    I'll post this again.

    Saves $ in the long run. Double down, make it happen and export our stuff. We can pay for it with a higher tax on power that still saves you and I $. Big oil will scream. Fuck them. Everything I'm proposing has a capitalist view. Simplistic but there are ways to get things done with some cooperation.

    It doesn't scale. I it did you'd know it. Berkshire gets all sorts of tax breaks and government graft and they still can't make anything worthwhile

    Just imagine how many wind mills it would take and what that would look like and how to manufacture and send around the country. It doesn't make sense or cents. Higher taxes on energy fuck poor people. Oil companies pass taxes along to the user. This is magic bullet shit not public policy

    Let's try this instead


    I agree, eliminating farting cows, the major contributor to greenhouse gas and fast airplanes aren't going away, nor should they.

    That said, renewable energy in the long run is cheaper and offsets current emissions.
    If only there was an actual real world example of that

    There isn't
    I gave you one. BHE in Iowa.
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    edited May 2020
    How much methane is released each year into the atmosphere geologically?

    What is the exact level upper limit of release of ‘safe’ methane levels?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,492 Founders Club
    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Chicoms are putting out twice the CO2 as the US. Our CO2 output is decreasing and the US hasn't built a new coal plant in years. The chicoms CO2 output is increasing and they are building dozens of new coal plants with little emission controls. But Trump and America is the problem according to our watermelon green gaia religionists who would put their eyes out with a spoon before criticizing the commies.

    I'll post this again.

    Saves $ in the long run. Double down, make it happen and export our stuff. We can pay for it with a higher tax on power that still saves you and I $. Big oil will scream. Fuck them. Everything I'm proposing has a capitalist view. Simplistic but there are ways to get things done with some cooperation.

    It doesn't scale. I it did you'd know it. Berkshire gets all sorts of tax breaks and government graft and they still can't make anything worthwhile

    Just imagine how many wind mills it would take and what that would look like and how to manufacture and send around the country. It doesn't make sense or cents. Higher taxes on energy fuck poor people. Oil companies pass taxes along to the user. This is magic bullet shit not public policy

    Let's try this instead


    I agree, eliminating farting cows, the major contributor to greenhouse gas and fast airplanes aren't going away, nor should they.

    That said, renewable energy in the long run is cheaper and offsets current emissions.
    If only there was an actual real world example of that

    There isn't
    I gave you one. BHE in Iowa.
    Bumfuck Iowa

    Got it
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,659 Standard Supporter
    Wind and solar don't save money in the long run. It they did, then we wouldn't need government mandates that utilities build them and we wouldn't need huge government tax subsidies. I know that when you say stupid things that you actually believe them. There is no power when the wind doesn't blow or the sun doesn't shine. That means you need reliable baseload and your current choices are gas plants, coal plants and nukes. Batteries are way to inefficient and spendy. They also require a huge amount of toxic chemicals. The whole green new deal is a toxic expensive fraud. Why are the chicoms building coal plants if solar is cheaper? Why are the Germans?
  • BasemanBaseman Member Posts: 12,367

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Chicoms are putting out twice the CO2 as the US. Our CO2 output is decreasing and the US hasn't built a new coal plant in years. The chicoms CO2 output is increasing and they are building dozens of new coal plants with little emission controls. But Trump and America is the problem according to our watermelon green gaia religionists who would put their eyes out with a spoon before criticizing the commies.

    I'll post this again.

    Saves $ in the long run. Double down, make it happen and export our stuff. We can pay for it with a higher tax on power that still saves you and I $. Big oil will scream. Fuck them. Everything I'm proposing has a capitalist view. Simplistic but there are ways to get things done with some cooperation.

    It doesn't scale. I it did you'd know it. Berkshire gets all sorts of tax breaks and government graft and they still can't make anything worthwhile

    Just imagine how many wind mills it would take and what that would look like and how to manufacture and send around the country. It doesn't make sense or cents. Higher taxes on energy fuck poor people. Oil companies pass taxes along to the user. This is magic bullet shit not public policy

    Let's try this instead


    I agree, eliminating farting cows, the major contributor to greenhouse gas and fast airplanes aren't going away, nor should they.

    That said, renewable energy in the long run is cheaper and offsets current emissions.
    If only there was an actual real world example of that

    There isn't
    I gave you one. BHE in Iowa.
    Bumfuck Iowa

    Got it
    What difference does it make? It's cheaper. Plenty of desert east of you. Windmill up, I say.
  • BasemanBaseman Member Posts: 12,367

    Wind and solar don't save money in the long run. It they did, then we wouldn't need government mandates that utilities build them and we wouldn't need huge government tax subsidies. I know that when you say stupid things that you actually believe them. There is no power when the wind doesn't blow or the sun doesn't shine. That means you need reliable baseload and your current choices are gas plants, coal plants and nukes. Batteries are way to inefficient and spendy. They also require a huge amount of toxic chemicals. The whole green new deal is a toxic expensive fraud. Why are the chicoms building coal plants if solar is cheaper? Why are the Germans?

    What do you not understand about a 61% savings? "In 2021 we expect BHE to generate 25.2 million megawatts hours of electricity from wind turbines...it will totally cover the needs of our BHE customers..at opposite times we sell the excess power to other utilities." Warren Buffett doesn't do things for free. Yeah, BHE got tax breaks. Make them pay it back with interest.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,492 Founders Club
    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Chicoms are putting out twice the CO2 as the US. Our CO2 output is decreasing and the US hasn't built a new coal plant in years. The chicoms CO2 output is increasing and they are building dozens of new coal plants with little emission controls. But Trump and America is the problem according to our watermelon green gaia religionists who would put their eyes out with a spoon before criticizing the commies.

    I'll post this again.

    Saves $ in the long run. Double down, make it happen and export our stuff. We can pay for it with a higher tax on power that still saves you and I $. Big oil will scream. Fuck them. Everything I'm proposing has a capitalist view. Simplistic but there are ways to get things done with some cooperation.

    It doesn't scale. I it did you'd know it. Berkshire gets all sorts of tax breaks and government graft and they still can't make anything worthwhile

    Just imagine how many wind mills it would take and what that would look like and how to manufacture and send around the country. It doesn't make sense or cents. Higher taxes on energy fuck poor people. Oil companies pass taxes along to the user. This is magic bullet shit not public policy

    Let's try this instead


    I agree, eliminating farting cows, the major contributor to greenhouse gas and fast airplanes aren't going away, nor should they.

    That said, renewable energy in the long run is cheaper and offsets current emissions.
    If only there was an actual real world example of that

    There isn't
    I gave you one. BHE in Iowa.
    Bumfuck Iowa

    Got it
    What difference does it make? It's cheaper. Plenty of desert east of you. Windmill up, I say.
    No. It makes a huge difference obviously. The Kennedy's said no thanks

    And it is not cheaper if it doesn't scale and it doesn't. Throbber can put solar panels and a windmill on his compund and be fine. You are free to live off the grid. But for 350 million people, the industry, the food and the transportation? Windmills and unicorns won't get it done

    The Palm desert used to be beautiful. Why weren't these installed closer to the need, say Bel Aire?


  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,659 Standard Supporter
    When you double down on stupid you start to move into the standard leftard policy of just lying. It's not cheaper. That's why there are lobbyists spending tens of millions of dollars each year to get state governments to force utilities to buy solar and wind and for the US government to have huge tax subidies. Even Buffet has said that Berkshire wouldn't be building wind and solar except for those requirements and the tax credits. Wind and solar also need transmission to get the power from nowhere to somewhere.
  • BasemanBaseman Member Posts: 12,367

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Chicoms are putting out twice the CO2 as the US. Our CO2 output is decreasing and the US hasn't built a new coal plant in years. The chicoms CO2 output is increasing and they are building dozens of new coal plants with little emission controls. But Trump and America is the problem according to our watermelon green gaia religionists who would put their eyes out with a spoon before criticizing the commies.

    I'll post this again.

    Saves $ in the long run. Double down, make it happen and export our stuff. We can pay for it with a higher tax on power that still saves you and I $. Big oil will scream. Fuck them. Everything I'm proposing has a capitalist view. Simplistic but there are ways to get things done with some cooperation.

    It doesn't scale. I it did you'd know it. Berkshire gets all sorts of tax breaks and government graft and they still can't make anything worthwhile

    Just imagine how many wind mills it would take and what that would look like and how to manufacture and send around the country. It doesn't make sense or cents. Higher taxes on energy fuck poor people. Oil companies pass taxes along to the user. This is magic bullet shit not public policy

    Let's try this instead


    I agree, eliminating farting cows, the major contributor to greenhouse gas and fast airplanes aren't going away, nor should they.

    That said, renewable energy in the long run is cheaper and offsets current emissions.
    If only there was an actual real world example of that

    There isn't
    I gave you one. BHE in Iowa.
    Bumfuck Iowa

    Got it
    What difference does it make? It's cheaper. Plenty of desert east of you. Windmill up, I say.
    No. It makes a huge difference obviously. The Kennedy's said no thanks

    And it is not cheaper if it doesn't scale and it doesn't. Throbber can put solar panels and a windmill on his compund and be fine. You are free to live off the grid. But for 350 million people, the industry, the food and the transportation? Windmills and unicorns won't get it done

    The Palm desert used to be beautiful. Why weren't these installed closer to the need, say Bel Aire?


    We've already agreed cows and airplanes aren't going away. Who says it doesn't scale? Move the windmills further north of Palm Springs, out of view.
  • RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,913 Founders Club
    Baseman said:

    Curious on your fellas opinion of the current tax system? Personal income brackets? Corporate? The proper structure balancing pro growth with an ever growing deficit and national debt. Considering this, how can we? avoid ending up like Greece?

    Flat/fair tax
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,492 Founders Club
    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Chicoms are putting out twice the CO2 as the US. Our CO2 output is decreasing and the US hasn't built a new coal plant in years. The chicoms CO2 output is increasing and they are building dozens of new coal plants with little emission controls. But Trump and America is the problem according to our watermelon green gaia religionists who would put their eyes out with a spoon before criticizing the commies.

    I'll post this again.

    Saves $ in the long run. Double down, make it happen and export our stuff. We can pay for it with a higher tax on power that still saves you and I $. Big oil will scream. Fuck them. Everything I'm proposing has a capitalist view. Simplistic but there are ways to get things done with some cooperation.

    It doesn't scale. I it did you'd know it. Berkshire gets all sorts of tax breaks and government graft and they still can't make anything worthwhile

    Just imagine how many wind mills it would take and what that would look like and how to manufacture and send around the country. It doesn't make sense or cents. Higher taxes on energy fuck poor people. Oil companies pass taxes along to the user. This is magic bullet shit not public policy

    Let's try this instead


    I agree, eliminating farting cows, the major contributor to greenhouse gas and fast airplanes aren't going away, nor should they.

    That said, renewable energy in the long run is cheaper and offsets current emissions.
    If only there was an actual real world example of that

    There isn't
    I gave you one. BHE in Iowa.
    Bumfuck Iowa

    Got it
    What difference does it make? It's cheaper. Plenty of desert east of you. Windmill up, I say.
    No. It makes a huge difference obviously. The Kennedy's said no thanks

    And it is not cheaper if it doesn't scale and it doesn't. Throbber can put solar panels and a windmill on his compund and be fine. You are free to live off the grid. But for 350 million people, the industry, the food and the transportation? Windmills and unicorns won't get it done

    The Palm desert used to be beautiful. Why weren't these installed closer to the need, say Bel Aire?


    We've already agreed cows and airplanes aren't going away. Who says it doesn't scale? Move the windmills further north of Palm Springs, out of view.
    Everyone says it doesn't scale. If it did you'd know it

    I'm fine with oil in Texas and the Gulf. The desert is beautiful
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,492 Founders Club

    When you double down on stupid you start to move into the standard leftard policy of just lying. It's not cheaper. That's why there are lobbyists spending tens of millions of dollars each year to get state governments to force utilities to buy solar and wind and for the US government to have huge tax subidies. Even Buffet has said that Berkshire wouldn't be building wind and solar except for those requirements and the tax credits. Wind and solar also need transmission to get the power from nowhere to somewhere.

    This says it doesn't scale
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    edited May 2020

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Chicoms are putting out twice the CO2 as the US. Our CO2 output is decreasing and the US hasn't built a new coal plant in years. The chicoms CO2 output is increasing and they are building dozens of new coal plants with little emission controls. But Trump and America is the problem according to our watermelon green gaia religionists who would put their eyes out with a spoon before criticizing the commies.

    I'll post this again.

    Saves $ in the long run. Double down, make it happen and export our stuff. We can pay for it with a higher tax on power that still saves you and I $. Big oil will scream. Fuck them. Everything I'm proposing has a capitalist view. Simplistic but there are ways to get things done with some cooperation.

    It doesn't scale. I it did you'd know it. Berkshire gets all sorts of tax breaks and government graft and they still can't make anything worthwhile

    Just imagine how many wind mills it would take and what that would look like and how to manufacture and send around the country. It doesn't make sense or cents. Higher taxes on energy fuck poor people. Oil companies pass taxes along to the user. This is magic bullet shit not public policy

    Let's try this instead


    I agree, eliminating farting cows, the major contributor to greenhouse gas and fast airplanes aren't going away, nor should they.

    That said, renewable energy in the long run is cheaper and offsets current emissions.
    If only there was an actual real world example of that

    There isn't
    I gave you one. BHE in Iowa.
    Bumfuck Iowa

    Got it
    What difference does it make? It's cheaper. Plenty of desert east of you. Windmill up, I say.
    No. It makes a huge difference obviously. The Kennedy's said no thanks

    And it is not cheaper if it doesn't scale and it doesn't. Throbber can put solar panels and a windmill on his compund and be fine. You are free to live off the grid. But for 350 million people, the industry, the food and the transportation? Windmills and unicorns won't get it done

    The Palm desert used to be beautiful. Why weren't these installed closer to the need, say Bel Aire?


    The money is in the Credits those windmills produce that can be sold to other Utilites Required to buy them but don’t have a mechanism to produce their own. Why buy when you can Rent?

    Why buy at all? Because they are required.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,401 Standard Supporter
    Baseman said:

    Sledog said:

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Do open borders increase the struggles of most working Americans to achieve a reasonable middle class lifestyle? If you care about the private sector American middle class how in the hell can you be a leftard? Open borders and the green gaia religion fraud cost them hundreds of billions. You do realize the leftards own the public education system?

    Maybe. I see both sides of the immigration issue. I think the Dems are willing to give here. We should give the illegals currently here citizenship but require them to pay taxes and a five year vesting period that if they are convicted of a felony, they get deported, after serving the appropriate time in prison. Go further and have them pay a higher tax rate for the first five years. Entering illegally afforded them opportunity. If they don't like it, they can leave.

    In exchange for this, the Dems need to agree on controlling inflows. I think they're willing if the Republicans give on the citizenship for those currently here.

    Mostly we need a grownup in the Whitehouse capable of bringing both parties together and solving our country's challenges.
    Trump was not given a chance to bring both parties together

    The dude is a fucking Democrat
    Trump is a fucking moron and incapable of getting needed cooperation. many of his policies generally make sense. A rational, reasonable personality probably gets more through with a little compromise. Impossible though, because he's such a narcissistic douche.
    You don't see the resistance for EVERY single Trump request? How many bills sit in the house right now because Nancy won't let anything Trump wants onto the floor? How much do the left stuff into bills like the last stimulus that is far far from needed. The left is focused on illegals at the moment for their votes in this and future elections.
    I do and Nancy and crew don't get a pass. The point is Trump should be above the petty bullshit and lead. His petulant behavior hurts his cause and the country's. He's galvanized an AOC/Bern movement people buy into because they hate Trump. Every day we move closer to socialism. Not a direction I want to go.

    Rise above the Twitter attacks and lead. Do that and Trump gets more of his agenda through. Despite the rhetoric, a president can't ramrod an entire agenda through the House and Congress. It takes a real deal maker, not an impish bully. Drain the swamp, please.

    Reagan, Nixon, and Kennedy delivered because they worked both sides of aisle.

    For the record, I voted for Reagan, Bush Sr. both times, Bush Jr. both times before moving left. I'll happily switch back for the right Republican.

    Also, fuck Warren. Fuck Bernie and fuck Sleepy Joe.
    I hate all politicians equally. Trump policies are generally the best stuff to come along in a long time.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,759 Standard Supporter

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Chicoms are putting out twice the CO2 as the US. Our CO2 output is decreasing and the US hasn't built a new coal plant in years. The chicoms CO2 output is increasing and they are building dozens of new coal plants with little emission controls. But Trump and America is the problem according to our watermelon green gaia religionists who would put their eyes out with a spoon before criticizing the commies.

    I'll post this again.

    Saves $ in the long run. Double down, make it happen and export our stuff. We can pay for it with a higher tax on power that still saves you and I $. Big oil will scream. Fuck them. Everything I'm proposing has a capitalist view. Simplistic but there are ways to get things done with some cooperation.

    It doesn't scale. I it did you'd know it. Berkshire gets all sorts of tax breaks and government graft and they still can't make anything worthwhile

    Just imagine how many wind mills it would take and what that would look like and how to manufacture and send around the country. It doesn't make sense or cents. Higher taxes on energy fuck poor people. Oil companies pass taxes along to the user. This is magic bullet shit not public policy

    Let's try this instead


    I agree, eliminating farting cows, the major contributor to greenhouse gas and fast airplanes aren't going away, nor should they.

    That said, renewable energy in the long run is cheaper and offsets current emissions.
    If only there was an actual real world example of that

    There isn't
    I gave you one. BHE in Iowa.
    Bumfuck Iowa

    Got it
    What difference does it make? It's cheaper. Plenty of desert east of you. Windmill up, I say.
    No. It makes a huge difference obviously. The Kennedy's said no thanks

    And it is not cheaper if it doesn't scale and it doesn't. Throbber can put solar panels and a windmill on his compund and be fine. You are free to live off the grid. But for 350 million people, the industry, the food and the transportation? Windmills and unicorns won't get it done

    The Palm desert used to be beautiful. Why weren't these installed closer to the need, say Bel Aire?


    Mrs. Throbber v2.0 is terrified of those things. Like wake up in a cold sweat nightmare terrified.

    We'll live off cow farts instead.


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