PM to my Righties (Bob, Sled, Race, et. all)

RaceBannon

Baseman said:

RaceBannon said:

Baseman said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Revenue isnt a problem. Spending is.

Take for instance our friendly neighborhood Sound Transit

Traffic sucks and cuts into worker productivity. What's the solution? Raising rider ticket prices is one way to start.

So you want less riders?

We do collect enough revenue. Taxes are inherently unfair. I like a flat tax with everyone paying something

I don't hate producers like some folks.

Lower the marginal percentage on the first $100,000 of income, personal and corporate. Small business owners like you actually end up better than you are now. As profit grows the marginal percentages increase. How about the growing deficit and national debt? Eliminate Medicare and Social Security? How can we justify for the folks who've already paid in?

The deficit and debt are spending

You can't justify for the folks who have paid in. And it will never stop as long as people are

Adding national health and even more entitlements doesn't seem like a solution

Baseman

Oh and fuck AOC and her "there should never be billionaires" That's socialism. I'm a leftist primarily due to the struggles of most working Americans to achieve a reasonable middle class lifestyle. Medical costs are way to high. Education is way to expensive and as a country we are have fallen as the rest of the world catches up. Student loans are out of control and is a drain on the overall economy.

WestlinnDuck

Do open borders increase the struggles of most working Americans to achieve a reasonable middle class lifestyle? If you care about the private sector American middle class how in the hell can you be a leftard? Open borders and the green gaia religion fraud cost them hundreds of billions. You do realize the leftards own the public education system?

Baseman

RaceBannon said:

I'd be willing to treat all income equal but not at 37%. If Buffet wants to pay the same rate as his secretary then lets do 15% across the board

Any changes require a change of mindset. The government isn't your ATM, you are. People don't work hard everyday so you can sit in mom's basement and yell at people about the flu while demanding the government pays the rent for you

This system works when people carry their weight and then there is plenty left over for those that truly can't

Wonder why one of the lessons of the Vid isn't how healthy single occupancy vehicles are and stand alone housing. Distancing. Instead the planner still want to jam folks together like a NY nursing home

I don't disagree. Lefties have to give on welfare for the lazy. That said, free markets have failed miserably reigning in rising health care and education costs. Infrastructure sucks. Population growth increases the number of drivers on the road. How do you fix? Spending less makes sense on paper. Cutting welfare isn't enough. As a country we can't keep kicking the can down the road. At some point we have to address, no?

Bob_C

Baseman said:

Curious on your fellas opinion of the current tax system? Personal income brackets? Corporate? The proper structure balancing pro growth with an ever growing deficit and national debt. Considering this, how can we? avoid ending up like Greece?

Greece became Greece because they took the benefits of the Euro but wanted no oversight. They only got into the Euro because they lied about outstanding debt. When they signed up for their debts they thought they could default or inflate their way out and socialize their bad decisions to the EU.

The states themselves are way more comparable to Greece than the Feds.

RaceBannon

Baseman said:

RaceBannon said:

I'd be willing to treat all income equal but not at 37%. If Buffet wants to pay the same rate as his secretary then lets do 15% across the board

Any changes require a change of mindset. The government isn't your ATM, you are. People don't work hard everyday so you can sit in mom's basement and yell at people about the flu while demanding the government pays the rent for you

This system works when people carry their weight and then there is plenty left over for those that truly can't

Wonder why one of the lessons of the Vid isn't how healthy single occupancy vehicles are and stand alone housing. Distancing. Instead the planner still want to jam folks together like a NY nursing home

I don't disagree. Lefties have to give on the welfare for the lazy. That said free markets have failed miserably reigning in rising health care and education costs. Infrastructure sucks. Population growth increases the number of drivers on the road. How do you fix? Spending less makes sense on paper. Cutting welfare isn't enough. As a country we can't keep kicking the can down the road. At some point we have to address, no?

Health care hasn't been free market in 50 years

Swaye

Baseman said:

RaceBannon said:

I'd be willing to treat all income equal but not at 37%. If Buffet wants to pay the same rate as his secretary then lets do 15% across the board

Any changes require a change of mindset. The government isn't your ATM, you are. People don't work hard everyday so you can sit in mom's basement and yell at people about the flu while demanding the government pays the rent for you

This system works when people carry their weight and then there is plenty left over for those that truly can't

Wonder why one of the lessons of the Vid isn't how healthy single occupancy vehicles are and stand alone housing. Distancing. Instead the planner still want to jam folks together like a NY nursing home

I don't disagree. Lefties have to give on the welfare for the lazy. That said free markets have failed miserably reigning in rising health care and education costs. Infrastructure sucks. Population growth increases the number of drivers on the road. How do you fix? Spending less makes sense on paper. Cutting welfare isn't enough. As a country we can't keep kicking the can down the road. At some point we have to address, no?

Education costs what it costs because of Uncle Sugar and his college loans programs. All the "free" money in the system has distorted supply and demand curves for college costs.

edit: Hope @UW_Doog_Bot doesn't shit all over me

Swaye

Also, we need to massively cut spending EVERYWHERE including traditional "conservative" areas like defense. In fact, I'd say an across the board, every single government entity, 17% cut is what I would like to see. Would you lose some services? Yep. Fuck em. Government is involved in too much shit anyway. Take your gender studies grant and shove it up your ass. 12 aircraft carriers? 10 would do just fine. Shrink it ALL.

Baseman

Bob_C said:

Baseman said:

Curious on your fellas opinion of the current tax system? Personal income brackets? Corporate? The proper structure balancing pro growth with an ever growing deficit and national debt. Considering this, how can we? avoid ending up like Greece?

Greece became Greece because they took the benefits of the Euro but wanted no oversight. They only got into the Euro because they lied about outstanding debt. When they signed up for their debts they thought they could default or inflate their way out and socialize their bad decisions to the EU.

The states themselves are way more comparable to Greece than the Feds.

Trillion dollar yearly deficits can't continue. The national debt, currently at $25 trillion, continues growing higher. At some point interest payments are going to drag us down.

MikeDamone

Taxation is theft