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If Hop Loses Out

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  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 63,197 Founders Club
    whlinder said:

    Cohen needs men's rowboat to save her jerb at this point. What a flaming dumpster fire the athletic department has become in the past year.

    her job is very, very safe
  • CallMeBigErnCallMeBigErn Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 6,387 Swaye's Wigwam
    Gladstone said:

    BaldwinIV said:

    Cohen is in for a rough year. Hopkins is flaming out to a degree of failure never remotely imagined. Lake almost assuredly will be a massive bust, as evidenced by his hiring of Donovan which might be the worst OC hire in the history of college football. Both are first-time HCs learning on the job, massively, massively in over their heads. At an elite university and with the tools and recruiting base to succeed quickly and sustainably.

    Embarrassing.

    Imagine agreeing with this.
    He's hyperbolic but this isn't the best time for you to slither out with your passive aggressive, peanut IQ doogisms. Run along.
    The Hop stuff is spot on. Torching Lake/Donovan before they've even coached a spring camp is fucking ridiculous.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,970 Standard Supporter

    I really liked Hopkins but this past month has been a massive disaster. Romar flamed out going after the one and dones and he's about to. I don't know if he needs to be fired but it's pretty hard to argue against at this point. I don't get to see many games, but there is no cohesion and team chemistry, there's a lack of effort, and these prima donnas play for themselves. He would have been better going after the decent three star guys and following the Gonfaga way.

    Gonzaga has figured out it is a 3 legged stool to be successful at the highest level: attract 3-/4-star and above recruits out of high school, throw in a couple international players and round out with a couple of transfers each year based on need.

    Unless you're Kentucky or Duke, the one and done mentality is shit for building consistency.

    I would love to see Randy Bennett at UW because he could do something very similar. A bunch of 3/4 year players and foreigners, some of those that end up very, very good.

    The most valuable player in CBB is the three year player that starts or so tributes right away and is a seat by his last season.

    The number fiasco is stupid, but it probably did okay a little bit of an affect regarding team morale. All players have to be treated the same other than playing time. Of you can’t do that, your teams will have negative aspects happen because of it.
    Brian Dutcher at SDSU is another. They more toward the African international player instead of the Aussie/Euro guys but same concept. He might be getting a little long in the tooth but also recruited the Fab 5 so he knows how Starbucks cups with money work.





  • whlinderwhlinder Member Posts: 4,740 Standard Supporter

    whlinder said:

    Cohen needs men's rowboat to save her jerb at this point. What a flaming dumpster fire the athletic department has become in the past year.

    her job is very, very safe
    Yeah but when has that ever stopped us from calling for someone to be fired?
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,837

    That zone is shit. Didn't watch yesterday but did watch the Cuog game where it got sliced and diced. You can't play zone unless there's some SOME concept of defending man to man. Hop put them in this weird umbrella 4-1 kind of configuration with spread arms and hopes they get a deflection or a steal.

    There's no pressure on the ball, there's no recognition of picking up off-ball cutters flashing middle and baseline. Once in a while they extend the defense and try to trap out of it - but overall it's shit. Complete shit.



    The effort on D in the zone is terrible

    The effort on D playing man to man is terrible

    Lots of dudes on this team half ass it on D ... doesn’t matter what system we play

    The only thing dudes care about are getting steals and blocks so they can fly the D end and get their SportsCenter dunks
  • Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,778 Founders Club

    I really liked Hopkins but this past month has been a massive disaster. Romar flamed out going after the one and dones and he's about to. I don't know if he needs to be fired but it's pretty hard to argue against at this point. I don't get to see many games, but there is no cohesion and team chemistry, there's a lack of effort, and these prima donnas play for themselves. He would have been better going after the decent three star guys and following the Gonfaga way.

    Gonzaga has figured out it is a 3 legged stool to be successful at the highest level: attract 3-/4-star and above recruits out of high school, throw in a couple international players and round out with a couple of transfers each year based on need.

    Unless you're Kentucky or Duke, the one and done mentality is shit for building consistency.

    agreed

    Romar tried it a couple of times and it always backfired. They have little loyalty to the school and to be honest, their teammates and coaches. The team chemistry always sucks. It's one reason I barely watch any college basketball or the NBA.
  • ntxduckntxduck Member Posts: 5,670

    ntxduck said:

    That zone is shit. Didn't watch yesterday but did watch the Cuog game where it got sliced and diced. You can't play zone unless there's some SOME concept of defending man to man. Hop put them in this weird umbrella 4-1 kind of configuration with spread arms and hopes they get a deflection or a steal.

    There's no pressure on the ball, there's no recognition of picking up off-ball cutters flashing middle and baseline. Once in a while they extend the defense and try to trap out of it - but overall it's shit. Complete shit.



    As someone who’s played basketball their entire life, my dick gets hard when I see the other team come out in a zone.
    Zone has a time and place and can be effective. The way Hop is coaching it -it is shit.

    You think they'd be an offensive juggernaut because they are clearly not spending any time on the defensive end.

    Zone is effective out of a timeout, or if it’s a full court press/halfcourt trap extending back into a junk zone that makes the offense work. If there’s no ball pressure, good passing is going to find a wide open look every trip. I can take 4 guys I’ve played with forever and if you give us a full 30 with no on ball pressure, we will get an open look every time.
  • haiehaie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,766 Swaye's Wigwam
    I don't think the team has given up or he doesn't give a shit or anything, the majority of the players he's recruited just suck that bad on offense.

    Maybe he didn't think Nowell was leaving? Maybe he's a fucking noodle spine that doesn't know how to deviate from Boeheim's system that needs someone like Melo to put the offense on his back? No idea but get him the fuck out of here at this point..
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Tequilla still dooging for Hop.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,837

    Tequilla still dooging for Hop.

    Not dooging per se

    But I’ve seen Hop pull guys aside to be coached up, pulled from games, benched, call guys out in the media, and it seems like nothing is getting through.

    It’s alarming on many levels ... but I’m also not prepared to fire someone I think is a good coach because of a year where everything has gone wrong

    Now, if things look like a disaster next year ... then let’s revisit things at that point
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,837
    Doogles said:

    This has to be the most bizarre year on record.

    The Improbable come from behind victory against Baylor showed a grit and determination that erased any doubt the young freshman wouldn't be ready for prime time.

    Now a double digits lead in the second half is a guaranteed collapse.

    Probably a pretty uncomfortable locker room. Stewart is one of my favorite Huskies of all time, too bad it had to be like this.

    What's crazy is they still have the talent to win the P12 tourney.

    Exactly

    They could just as easily be at the top of the P12 as the bottom of it
  • haiehaie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,766 Swaye's Wigwam
    Tequilla said:

    Doogles said:

    This has to be the most bizarre year on record.

    The Improbable come from behind victory against Baylor showed a grit and determination that erased any doubt the young freshman wouldn't be ready for prime time.

    Now a double digits lead in the second half is a guaranteed collapse.

    Probably a pretty uncomfortable locker room. Stewart is one of my favorite Huskies of all time, too bad it had to be like this.

    What's crazy is they still have the talent to win the P12 tourney.

    Exactly

    They could just as easily be at the top of the P12 as the bottom of it
    Ummm, you haven't watched the last 10 games.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,837
    haie said:

    Tequilla said:

    Doogles said:

    This has to be the most bizarre year on record.

    The Improbable come from behind victory against Baylor showed a grit and determination that erased any doubt the young freshman wouldn't be ready for prime time.

    Now a double digits lead in the second half is a guaranteed collapse.

    Probably a pretty uncomfortable locker room. Stewart is one of my favorite Huskies of all time, too bad it had to be like this.

    What's crazy is they still have the talent to win the P12 tourney.

    Exactly

    They could just as easily be at the top of the P12 as the bottom of it
    Ummm, you haven't watched the last 10 games.
    Talent isn’t why they are where they are

    They’ve been in positions to win basically every game they’ve played

    I don’t expect them to do much of anything going forward

    I do think they probably win 2 of their last 3 at home
  • haiehaie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,766 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited February 2020
    Tequilla said:

    haie said:

    Tequilla said:

    Doogles said:

    This has to be the most bizarre year on record.

    The Improbable come from behind victory against Baylor showed a grit and determination that erased any doubt the young freshman wouldn't be ready for prime time.

    Now a double digits lead in the second half is a guaranteed collapse.

    Probably a pretty uncomfortable locker room. Stewart is one of my favorite Huskies of all time, too bad it had to be like this.

    What's crazy is they still have the talent to win the P12 tourney.

    Exactly

    They could just as easily be at the top of the P12 as the bottom of it
    Ummm, you haven't watched the last 10 games.
    Talent isn’t why they are where they are

    They’ve been in positions to win basically every game they’ve played

    I don’t expect them to do much of anything going forward

    I do think they probably win 2 of their last 3 at home
    Hop is terrible dude. Lived off Nowell and Thybulle and Dickerson and 2 good college gets.

    He's shit. It's embarrassing for the Pac 12. Like why even poach from NY State if you're in Seattle metro. One and done is a net negative. What a shitshow.

    Jen needs to cut bait.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,837
    Seattle metro hoops is massively overrated in my opinion

    Lots of dudes can play ... no question about that

    But there have been a lot of dudes coming out of Seattle that play super selfish individual ball that flames out

    For all those that like to say the local kids want to put on for their school, family, and friends locally ... historically that hasn’t been true in hoops other than for fits and starts
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