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  • 1to392831weretaken
    1to392831weretaken Member Posts: 7,696

    Canadawg said:

    Tequilla said:

    Costello would be a massive QB upgrade for the 2020 Washington team

    Maybe. You like everyone else dont know that though.
    I'm with Terrance and Phillip on this one. The Hardcore Husky Way seems to be to complain about something and then almost immediately contradict that complaint with the next one.

    When Haener was in the neverending QB battle, it was, "Get Sirmon in there; he's a million times more talented." Now it's, "Sirmon is shitty, and only a transfer QB can save us."

    I suppose there's a needle you can thread whereby both are correct, but... What I saw during the Petersen era is that the offense looked broken no matter what QB was running it. Cyler Miles had a gimpy hip and awful throwing motion, but he actually looked decent in his one game in the spread-to-run offense Sark stole from Arizona et al., then he went downhill from there. Browning seemed to get worse every year in the system. Eason seemed to get worse every game he played.

    That's three completely different quarterbacks, physically and mentally, and all of them regressed. Which is to say I don't think any of us have any fucking clue what Sirmon or Morris can do. We DEFINITELY don't have any clue what Garbers can do. New head coach. New OC. New offense. Three new OL starters. New receivers. New RB1. This is a complete reshuffle, and it's entirely plausible that we see another Keith Price "Who the fook is that guy?" surprising performance by one of the current players.

    Of COURSE a proven player like Costello is more likely to succeed. The safe bet is the one you actually have information to back up. But the extreme confidence here that Costello would definitely be an upgrade is strange to me. We won't even know what we had until the offense is fixed. If Costello came here as a freshman, running Petersen's offense, this might be a thread about our 2020 offseason natty now that that dipshit, run-backward, throw pick-sixes Costello is finally out of the program. With a completely new staff and offense in place, I wouldn't be shocked if Sirmon or Morris--or even Garbers stepped up and took that job.

    The Coug thought for sure that Gage Gabrud* was going to come in and save them like Minshew had. Then he got beat out by unheralded JUCO transfer Anthony Gordon and was never heard from again.

    *Apparently it doesn't go without saying that Costello is in another league from Gabrud, but that's irrelevant to the analogy. Besides, Sirmon and Morris and Garbers are also in another league from Gordon. Counting your chickens before they hatch is still counting your chickens before they hatch.
    Well of course we gotta wait for it to happen, but Costello is a huge upgrade. You are really overrating our players. Our QB situation without Costello is bad. I never liked either Sirmon or Morris.
    The quarterback situation without Costello is bad no matter what because there are only three of them, none have played, and one is fresh out of diapers. I'm all in for getting Costello, as it increases the odds of having a serviceable quarterback by at least 33%. He's not a certainty, though, even relative to what's on the roster.
  • rodmansrage
    rodmansrage Member Posts: 6,376

    Canadawg said:

    Tequilla said:

    Costello would be a massive QB upgrade for the 2020 Washington team

    Maybe. You like everyone else dont know that though.
    I'm with Terrance and Phillip on this one. The Hardcore Husky Way seems to be to complain about something and then almost immediately contradict that complaint with the next one.

    When Haener was in the neverending QB battle, it was, "Get Sirmon in there; he's a million times more talented." Now it's, "Sirmon is shitty, and only a transfer QB can save us."

    I suppose there's a needle you can thread whereby both are correct, but... What I saw during the Petersen era is that the offense looked broken no matter what QB was running it. Cyler Miles had a gimpy hip and awful throwing motion, but he actually looked decent in his one game in the spread-to-run offense Sark stole from Arizona et al., then he went downhill from there. Browning seemed to get worse every year in the system. Eason seemed to get worse every game he played.

    That's three completely different quarterbacks, physically and mentally, and all of them regressed. Which is to say I don't think any of us have any fucking clue what Sirmon or Morris can do. We DEFINITELY don't have any clue what Garbers can do. New head coach. New OC. New offense. Three new OL starters. New receivers. New RB1. This is a complete reshuffle, and it's entirely plausible that we see another Keith Price "Who the fook is that guy?" surprising performance by one of the current players.

    Of COURSE a proven player like Costello is more likely to succeed. The safe bet is the one you actually have information to back up. But the extreme confidence here that Costello would definitely be an upgrade is strange to me. We won't even know what we had until the offense is fixed. If Costello came here as a freshman, running Petersen's offense, this might be a thread about our 2020 offseason natty now that that dipshit, run-backward, throw pick-sixes Costello is finally out of the program. With a completely new staff and offense in place, I wouldn't be shocked if Sirmon or Morris--or even Garbers stepped up and took that job.

    The Coug thought for sure that Gage Gabrud* was going to come in and save them like Minshew had. Then he got beat out by unheralded JUCO transfer Anthony Gordon and was never heard from again.

    *Apparently it doesn't go without saying that Costello is in another league from Gabrud, but that's irrelevant to the analogy. Besides, Sirmon and Morris and Garbers are also in another league from Gordon. Counting your chickens before they hatch is still counting your chickens before they hatch.
    so you'd say 'new attitude and ready to rumble,' per chance?
  • 1to392831weretaken
    1to392831weretaken Member Posts: 7,696
    Husky fans: "We only have two Elite-11 quarterbacks and one Elite-11 finalist in the quarterbacks room. Our QB situation is terrible."
    95% of college football fans: "Fuuuuuuuuuuck you."

    We may hate the guys because the two last year didn't beat out Haener or because neither did jack shit in a game, but the NFL guys who worked with them at these camps thought they were good enough to build an offense around, and there are three to choose from. If you can't make it work with at least one of them, it's time to look at the offense. In the meantime, Costello gives you a third Elite-11 QB on the roster, so would seem to up these odds even more. That's a good thing, but I still think it's selling the other three a bit short to say with certainty that they're shit.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,129
    edited January 2020

    Look at the refuse Peterson has recruited at quarterback since Moore

    Imagine having confidence in his evaluations

    Pete should go down as the most overrated offensive mind in the recent history of the game. I stood by him because he stacked titles like cord wood, but it sure wasn't his offense which led to those titles.
    Chip Kelly is also in the running.
  • Meek
    Meek Member Posts: 7,031
    what's the date Costello needs to decide on this?
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    dnc said:

    Canadawg said:

    Tequilla said:

    Costello would be a massive QB upgrade for the 2020 Washington team

    Maybe. You like everyone else dont know that though.
    I'm with Terrance and Phillip on this one. The Hardcore Husky Way seems to be to complain about something and then almost immediately contradict that complaint with the next one.

    When Haener was in the neverending QB battle, it was, "Get Sirmon in there; he's a million times more talented." Now it's, "Sirmon is shitty, and only a transfer QB can save us."

    I suppose there's a needle you can thread whereby both are correct, but... What I saw during the Petersen era is that the offense looked broken no matter what QB was running it. Cyler Miles had a gimpy hip and awful throwing motion, but he actually looked decent in his one game in the spread-to-run offense Sark stole from Arizona et al., then he went downhill from there. Browning seemed to get worse every year in the system. Eason seemed to get worse every game he played.

    That's three completely different quarterbacks, physically and mentally, and all of them regressed. Which is to say I don't think any of us have any fucking clue what Sirmon or Morris can do. We DEFINITELY don't have any clue what Garbers can do. New head coach. New OC. New offense. Three new OL starters. New receivers. New RB1. This is a complete reshuffle, and it's entirely plausible that we see another Keith Price "Who the fook is that guy?" surprising performance by one of the current players.

    Of COURSE a proven player like Costello is more likely to succeed. The safe bet is the one you actually have information to back up. But the extreme confidence here that Costello would definitely be an upgrade is strange to me. We won't even know what we had until the offense is fixed. If Costello came here as a freshman, running Petersen's offense, this might be a thread about our 2020 offseason natty now that that dipshit, run-backward, throw pick-sixes Costello is finally out of the program. With a completely new staff and offense in place, I wouldn't be shocked if Sirmon or Morris--or even Garbers stepped up and took that job.

    The Coug thought for sure that Gage Gabrud* was going to come in and save them like Minshew had. Then he got beat out by unheralded JUCO transfer Anthony Gordon and was never heard from again.

    *Apparently it doesn't go without saying that Costello is in another league from Gabrud, but that's irrelevant to the analogy. Besides, Sirmon and Morris and Garbers are also in another league from Gordon. Counting your chickens before they hatch is still counting your chickens before they hatch.
    Maybe you haven't noticed but all the "Get Sirmon in there; he's a million times more talented" people poast at a different website now.

    Personally I was upset that Haener was splitting reps with Eason, not that he was taking them from Sirmon. I was negative on Sirmon in the recruiting process and was heavy on #TeamYankoff. Obviously I was wrong about Colson but I haven't changed my opinion on Sirmon.

    The day Morris committed I predicted he would be the 2020 starter but that was because Pete loves small QB's not because I ever liked Morris. With Pete gone I have no expectations for Morris to ever start here.

    I stated last offseason that Eason was going to suck and it's because we don't know how to coach QB's. I hope and pray that has changed but Donovan inspires zero confidence. At least with Costello you have someone who has received quality QB coaching for a number of years before he gets here, which you can't say about any of the other guys.

    And fuck off with the repeated Gabe Gabrud bullshit. Cougs think everyone of their QBs is going to be the greatest QB of all time. Gabrud never QB'd a D1 offense at a high level. He's completely irrelevant to Costello.
    You read the Goobrood poasts?
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    dnc said:

    Canadawg said:

    Tequilla said:

    Costello would be a massive QB upgrade for the 2020 Washington team

    Maybe. You like everyone else dont know that though.
    I'm with Terrance and Phillip on this one. The Hardcore Husky Way seems to be to complain about something and then almost immediately contradict that complaint with the next one.

    When Haener was in the neverending QB battle, it was, "Get Sirmon in there; he's a million times more talented." Now it's, "Sirmon is shitty, and only a transfer QB can save us."

    I suppose there's a needle you can thread whereby both are correct, but... What I saw during the Petersen era is that the offense looked broken no matter what QB was running it. Cyler Miles had a gimpy hip and awful throwing motion, but he actually looked decent in his one game in the spread-to-run offense Sark stole from Arizona et al., then he went downhill from there. Browning seemed to get worse every year in the system. Eason seemed to get worse every game he played.

    That's three completely different quarterbacks, physically and mentally, and all of them regressed. Which is to say I don't think any of us have any fucking clue what Sirmon or Morris can do. We DEFINITELY don't have any clue what Garbers can do. New head coach. New OC. New offense. Three new OL starters. New receivers. New RB1. This is a complete reshuffle, and it's entirely plausible that we see another Keith Price "Who the fook is that guy?" surprising performance by one of the current players.

    Of COURSE a proven player like Costello is more likely to succeed. The safe bet is the one you actually have information to back up. But the extreme confidence here that Costello would definitely be an upgrade is strange to me. We won't even know what we had until the offense is fixed. If Costello came here as a freshman, running Petersen's offense, this might be a thread about our 2020 offseason natty now that that dipshit, run-backward, throw pick-sixes Costello is finally out of the program. With a completely new staff and offense in place, I wouldn't be shocked if Sirmon or Morris--or even Garbers stepped up and took that job.

    The Coug thought for sure that Gage Gabrud* was going to come in and save them like Minshew had. Then he got beat out by unheralded JUCO transfer Anthony Gordon and was never heard from again.

    *Apparently it doesn't go without saying that Costello is in another league from Gabrud, but that's irrelevant to the analogy. Besides, Sirmon and Morris and Garbers are also in another league from Gordon. Counting your chickens before they hatch is still counting your chickens before they hatch.
    Maybe you haven't noticed but all the "Get Sirmon in there; he's a million times more talented" people poast at a different website now.

    Personally I was upset that Haener was splitting reps with Eason, not that he was taking them from Sirmon. I was negative on Sirmon in the recruiting process and was heavy on #TeamYankoff. Obviously I was wrong about Colson but I haven't changed my opinion on Sirmon.

    The day Morris committed I predicted he would be the 2020 starter but that was because Pete loves small QB's not because I ever liked Morris. With Pete gone I have no expectations for Morris to ever start here.

    I stated last offseason that Eason was going to suck and it's because we don't know how to coach QB's. I hope and pray that has changed but Donovan inspires zero confidence. At least with Costello you have someone who has received quality QB coaching for a number of years before he gets here, which you can't say about any of the other guys.

    And fuck off with the repeated Gabe Gabrud bullshit. Cougs think everyone of their QBs is going to be the greatest QB of all time. Gabrud never QB'd a D1 offense at a high level. He's completely irrelevant to Costello.
    You read the Goobrood poasts?
    Hell no. I'm just taking @1to392831weretaken at his word.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,129

    Look at the refuse Peterson has recruited at quarterback since Moore

    Imagine having confidence in his evaluations

    Pete should go down as the most overrated offensive mind in the recent history of the game. I stood by him because he stacked titles like cord wood, but it sure wasn't his offense which led to those titles.
    Chip Kelly is also in the running.
    I don't think I'd agree with that. Chip's 2009- 12 achievements dwarf anything Pete ever accomplished. He was a c-hair away from winning a FULL Natty. We should Saint Cam Newton the same we have Pat Hayden.
    They do, but he’s not an offensive guru at all. He’s sucked since then.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,237 Founders Club

    Look at the refuse Peterson has recruited at quarterback since Moore

    Imagine having confidence in his evaluations

    Pete should go down as the most overrated offensive mind in the recent history of the game. I stood by him because he stacked titles like cord wood, but it sure wasn't his offense which led to those titles.
    Chip Kelly is also in the running.
    I don't think I'd agree with that. Chip's 2009- 12 achievements dwarf anything Pete ever accomplished. He was a c-hair away from winning a FULL Natty. We should Saint Cam Newton the same we have Pat Hayden.
    They do, but he’s not an offensive guru at all. He’s sucked since then.
    He was a guru in 2009- 12. It didn't translate to NFL success and college defenses adapted.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,129

    Look at the refuse Peterson has recruited at quarterback since Moore

    Imagine having confidence in his evaluations

    Pete should go down as the most overrated offensive mind in the recent history of the game. I stood by him because he stacked titles like cord wood, but it sure wasn't his offense which led to those titles.
    Chip Kelly is also in the running.
    I don't think I'd agree with that. Chip's 2009- 12 achievements dwarf anything Pete ever accomplished. He was a c-hair away from winning a FULL Natty. We should Saint Cam Newton the same we have Pat Hayden.
    They do, but he’s not an offensive guru at all. He’s sucked since then.
    He was a guru in 2009- 12. It didn't translate to NFL success and college defenses adapted.
    Agree. Pete used to light teams up too, both as an OC and head coach until a year or two before he came to UW. Things change. Adapt or die. Chip has tried to adapt, but now he just has a boring, nondescript offense.
  • EsophagealFeces
    EsophagealFeces Member Posts: 13,112

    Canadawg said:

    Tequilla said:

    Costello would be a massive QB upgrade for the 2020 Washington team

    Maybe. You like everyone else dont know that though.
    I'm with Terrance and Phillip on this one. The Hardcore Husky Way seems to be to complain about something and then almost immediately contradict that complaint with the next one.

    When Haener was in the neverending QB battle, it was, "Get Sirmon in there; he's a million times more talented." Now it's, "Sirmon is shitty, and only a transfer QB can save us."

    I suppose there's a needle you can thread whereby both are correct, but... What I saw during the Petersen era is that the offense looked broken no matter what QB was running it. Cyler Miles had a gimpy hip and awful throwing motion, but he actually looked decent in his one game in the spread-to-run offense Sark stole from Arizona et al., then he went downhill from there. Browning seemed to get worse every year in the system. Eason seemed to get worse every game he played.

    That's three completely different quarterbacks, physically and mentally, and all of them regressed. Which is to say I don't think any of us have any fucking clue what Sirmon or Morris can do. We DEFINITELY don't have any clue what Garbers can do. New head coach. New OC. New offense. Three new OL starters. New receivers. New RB1. This is a complete reshuffle, and it's entirely plausible that we see another Keith Price "Who the fook is that guy?" surprising performance by one of the current players.

    Of COURSE a proven player like Costello is more likely to succeed. The safe bet is the one you actually have information to back up. But the extreme confidence here that Costello would definitely be an upgrade is strange to me. We won't even know what we had until the offense is fixed. If Costello came here as a freshman, running Petersen's offense, this might be a thread about our 2020 offseason natty now that that dipshit, run-backward, throw pick-sixes Costello is finally out of the program. With a completely new staff and offense in place, I wouldn't be shocked if Sirmon or Morris--or even Garbers stepped up and took that job.

    The Coug thought for sure that Gage Gabrud* was going to come in and save them like Minshew had. Then he got beat out by unheralded JUCO transfer Anthony Gordon and was never heard from again.

    *Apparently it doesn't go without saying that Costello is in another league from Gabrud, but that's irrelevant to the analogy. Besides, Sirmon and Morris and Garbers are also in another league from Gordon. Counting your chickens before they hatch is still counting your chickens before they hatch.
    Yew knew hear?
  • 1to392831weretaken
    1to392831weretaken Member Posts: 7,696

    Canadawg said:

    Tequilla said:

    Costello would be a massive QB upgrade for the 2020 Washington team

    Maybe. You like everyone else dont know that though.
    I'm with Terrance and Phillip on this one. The Hardcore Husky Way seems to be to complain about something and then almost immediately contradict that complaint with the next one.

    When Haener was in the neverending QB battle, it was, "Get Sirmon in there; he's a million times more talented." Now it's, "Sirmon is shitty, and only a transfer QB can save us."

    I suppose there's a needle you can thread whereby both are correct, but... What I saw during the Petersen era is that the offense looked broken no matter what QB was running it. Cyler Miles had a gimpy hip and awful throwing motion, but he actually looked decent in his one game in the spread-to-run offense Sark stole from Arizona et al., then he went downhill from there. Browning seemed to get worse every year in the system. Eason seemed to get worse every game he played.

    That's three completely different quarterbacks, physically and mentally, and all of them regressed. Which is to say I don't think any of us have any fucking clue what Sirmon or Morris can do. We DEFINITELY don't have any clue what Garbers can do. New head coach. New OC. New offense. Three new OL starters. New receivers. New RB1. This is a complete reshuffle, and it's entirely plausible that we see another Keith Price "Who the fook is that guy?" surprising performance by one of the current players.

    Of COURSE a proven player like Costello is more likely to succeed. The safe bet is the one you actually have information to back up. But the extreme confidence here that Costello would definitely be an upgrade is strange to me. We won't even know what we had until the offense is fixed. If Costello came here as a freshman, running Petersen's offense, this might be a thread about our 2020 offseason natty now that that dipshit, run-backward, throw pick-sixes Costello is finally out of the program. With a completely new staff and offense in place, I wouldn't be shocked if Sirmon or Morris--or even Garbers stepped up and took that job.

    The Coug thought for sure that Gage Gabrud* was going to come in and save them like Minshew had. Then he got beat out by unheralded JUCO transfer Anthony Gordon and was never heard from again.

    *Apparently it doesn't go without saying that Costello is in another league from Gabrud, but that's irrelevant to the analogy. Besides, Sirmon and Morris and Garbers are also in another league from Gordon. Counting your chickens before they hatch is still counting your chickens before they hatch.
    Yew knew hear?
    Still trying to get my reads down.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,829 Founders Club

    Husky fans: "We only have two Elite-11 quarterbacks and one Elite-11 finalist in the quarterbacks room. Our QB situation is terrible."
    95% of college football fans: "Fuuuuuuuuuuck you."

    We may hate the guys because the two last year didn't beat out Haener or because neither did jack shit in a game, but the NFL guys who worked with them at these camps thought they were good enough to build an offense around, and there are three to choose from. If you can't make it work with at least one of them, it's time to look at the offense. In the meantime, Costello gives you a third Elite-11 QB on the roster, so would seem to up these odds even more. That's a good thing, but I still think it's selling the other three a bit short to say with certainty that they're shit.

    We've had elite quarterbacks since the Swede

    Except they weren't

    Same guy picked what we have now
    I think you're confusing picking bad quarterbacks with picking good/bad/who knows quarterbacks and breaking them. He picked Jacob Eason, too, then made him look like shit. I'm ready to see what all of these guys can do with different coaching.

    Really, the quarterback I'm most excited about in the spring is Garbers, as he'll be the only one who won't have to unlearn a year or two of whatever the fuck the quarterbacks have been getting for six years. If they get Costello, same for him.
    Fair

    So instead of the Jimmies and the Joes it is just The Jimmy that has to produce. If all our Qbs sucked - and that term is always too strong but it works here - then it is not unreasonable to look for other causes.


    I just want to eliminate the scourge of pretty good or not bad.

    When Jimmy took over defensive play calling I was told he wasn't that bad maybe even pretty good. Now its Kwat is back and he never should have gone

    We had a pretty good O line that wasn't bad most of last season until everyone got on board that they suck and Huff may be over his head

    Good is the enemy of great which again doesn't apply to posters here who want great. It applies to management

    Despite DDY going off the deep end criticism of OKG and Petersen was warranted. Did we ditch that or is Jimmy under orders to keep the same recruiting philosophy

    I'm rambling now. What am I a rebel against? What do you have?

  • FremontTroll
    FremontTroll Member Posts: 4,744

    Eklund says Costello sucks. He put up good stats by just chucking the ball up in the air and having his receivers make miraculous catches.

    The whole trio keeps complaining that taking a grad transfer football player is "beneath Washington's academic reputation"

    Costello is pretty good, but he did just throw a shitload of jump balls. That was Stanford’s offense. Run for 3 yards on first and 2nd down and throw a 50-50 ball on third.
    Also run the entire first half until they are down 2-3 scores then throw to try to comeback but run out of time.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,829 Founders Club

    Eklund says Costello sucks. He put up good stats by just chucking the ball up in the air and having his receivers make miraculous catches.

    The whole trio keeps complaining that taking a grad transfer football player is "beneath Washington's academic reputation"


    This is exactly what I am talking about
  • Canadawg
    Canadawg Member Posts: 5,284
    Kj lost his starting spot let's not forget