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How is Trump going to handle the immigration issue come election time?

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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,840 Founders Club

    Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election

    At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps

    Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.
    He's not going to lose

    He's the one guy trying to fix it

    Maybe, maybe not. LIPO obviously. But he's losing the optics game right now.
    Disagree again

    People aren't as stupid as the left thinks or hopes

    Facts trump emotional appeals that are fake

    It wasn't a crisis when all these folks were coming to the border

    Now it is


    Trump just changed the asylum system back. They have to apply in Mexico

    The Democrats front runner built the concentration camps

    Good luck
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,220

    Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election

    At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps

    Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.
    He's not going to lose

    He's the one guy trying to fix it

    Maybe, maybe not. LIPO obviously. But he's losing the optics game right now.
    Disagree again

    People aren't as stupid as the left thinks or hopes

    Facts trump emotional appeals that are fake

    It wasn't a crisis when all these folks were coming to the border

    Now it is


    Trump just changed the asylum system back. They have to apply in Mexico

    The Democrats front runner built the concentration camps

    Good luck
    Mostly they are. Plato was right.

    And those people generally start with the conclusion they wanted in the first place and work their way back from there.

    Don't shoot the messenger. It is what it is.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,213
    The people aren't as dumb as you think they are and you're not a smart as you think you are Coug. It all balances out.
  • USMChawkUSMChawk Member Posts: 1,800
    Gonna have to agree with Creep on this one. There are some truly stupid people who vote (on both sides).
  • GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165

    Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election

    At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps

    Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.
    He's not going to lose

    He's the one guy trying to fix it

    Maybe, maybe not. LIPO obviously. But he's losing the optics game right now.
    Disagree again

    People aren't as stupid as the left thinks or hopes

    Facts trump emotional appeals that are fake

    It wasn't a crisis when all these folks were coming to the border

    Now it is


    Trump just changed the asylum system back. They have to apply in Mexico

    The Democrats front runner built the concentration camps

    Good luck
    People really are that stupid. Most of the country isn't listening to you or Ben Shapiro. The media is singularly obsessed with the mistreatment of children, while the inaction from democrats is back page news. Trump made it a point to ruthlessly attack the media ever since he was a candidate and now it's biting him in the ass. He's misplayed this from the beginning.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885
    edited July 2019

    SFGbob said:

    Doubt it...you have the other side wanting to decriminalizing all illegal immigration and offering to give all illegal immigrants free health care. Hell, you had a chunk of them cross the boarder and campaign with the illegals.

    Trump will win that argument easy...

    Yep. The DNC has shown themselves once again to not be very skilled at the winning an election part. For the moderator to tee' up the "raise your hand" question on immigration and health care was campaign suicide.
    CNN has now obliged, there will be no more questions like that asked during the debate. The MSM is now going to help the Rats hide their positions on issues.

    Btw, why do you blame the moderator? Shouldn't the candidates be blamed for how they answered?
    Yes. They're all to blame.

    The moderator who asked those questions - the guy who asked a few questions in Spanish - I assume was hand picked as part of some hackneyed attempt at appearing ethnic and inclusive. Ok, fair enough. At least there's some strategy. But then he asks a question that is going to alienate the political center. Stupid.

    They don't need to ask that question. What are the people sympathetic to that view going to do? Vote for Trump?

    If the guy was actually representative of the Cuban community and it was in fact an attempt to cull the dummies and ID who will support paying for such a program, then I applaud them for at least being honest and transparent in running the debate. In that case, the DNC should have sent these idiots a memo about what happens when D candidates align themselves with fringe social issues and forget their historic working class base.

    I said this in another post: it's too back Hickenlooper is such a shadow and unknown. He has a solid background as a governor, and he seems to be a political moderate and maybe even lean a little to the right of center on the economy, more than once make his position on socialism known. But he probably doesn't stand a chance.


    Creep.... It's not 1992 anymore. The non union working man hasn't voted Democrat since then. The Democrats found something that worked in 2008. ID politics. But even then it was tempered a little bit. Now.... It's a race to the extreme left, blaming the old white rich man all the way there.

    It's not gonna work. But they've backed themselves into a corner with their base they and have no other choice.

    And they will be shown on camera crying in disbelief, again on that cold November night in 2020.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,213
    USMChawk said:

    Gonna have to agree with Creep on this one. There are some truly stupid people who vote (on both sides).

    I'm not arguing that there are no stupid voters. We have Hondo here to disabuse anyone of that notion. I just don't believe that the dumbass voter is the majority of all voters.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885

    Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election

    At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps

    Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.
    He's not going to lose

    He's the one guy trying to fix it

    Maybe, maybe not. LIPO obviously. But he's losing the optics game right now.
    Not to those with a head on their shoulders.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,840 Founders Club

    Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election

    At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps

    Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.
    He's not going to lose

    He's the one guy trying to fix it

    Maybe, maybe not. LIPO obviously. But he's losing the optics game right now.
    Disagree again

    People aren't as stupid as the left thinks or hopes

    Facts trump emotional appeals that are fake

    It wasn't a crisis when all these folks were coming to the border

    Now it is


    Trump just changed the asylum system back. They have to apply in Mexico

    The Democrats front runner built the concentration camps

    Good luck
    People really are that stupid. Most of the country isn't listening to you or Ben Shapiro. The media is singularly obsessed with the mistreatment of children, while the inaction from democrats is back page news. Trump made it a point to ruthlessly attack the media ever since he was a candidate and now it's biting him in the ass. He's misplayed this from the beginning.
    I may have more readers than CNN has viewers these days
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,840 Founders Club
    And attacking the media got him elected and will get him re elected

    He's never taken the advice you want to give him to lay back and take it

    Smart
  • GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    salemcoog said:

    Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election

    At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps

    Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.
    He's not going to lose

    He's the one guy trying to fix it

    Maybe, maybe not. LIPO obviously. But he's losing the optics game right now.
    Not to those with a head on their shoulders.
    When the fuck has that ever mattered in the optics game?
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885

    salemcoog said:

    Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election

    At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps

    Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.
    He's not going to lose

    He's the one guy trying to fix it

    Maybe, maybe not. LIPO obviously. But he's losing the optics game right now.
    Not to those with a head on their shoulders.
    When the fuck has that ever mattered in the optics game?
    Better question, When has optics mattered 16 months before an election?
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election

    At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps

    Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.
    He's not going to lose

    He's the one guy trying to fix it

    Maybe, maybe not. LIPO obviously. But he's losing the optics game right now.
    Disagree again

    People aren't as stupid as the left thinks or hopes

    Facts trump emotional appeals that are fake

    It wasn't a crisis when all these folks were coming to the border

    Now it is


    Trump just changed the asylum system back. They have to apply in Mexico

    The Democrats front runner built the concentration camps

    Good luck
    If trump doesn’t like the asylum laws, he should convince Congress and the nation to change them. If he fails at that (he has) he needs to enforce the laws already on the books. The courts will certainly weigh in again, as always. We are a nation of laws after all.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885

    Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election

    At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps

    Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.
    He's not going to lose

    He's the one guy trying to fix it

    Maybe, maybe not. LIPO obviously. But he's losing the optics game right now.
    Disagree again

    People aren't as stupid as the left thinks or hopes

    Facts trump emotional appeals that are fake

    It wasn't a crisis when all these folks were coming to the border

    Now it is


    Trump just changed the asylum system back. They have to apply in Mexico

    The Democrats front runner built the concentration camps

    Good luck
    If trump doesn’t like the asylum laws, he should convince Congress and the nation to change them. If he fails at that (he has) he needs to enforce the laws already on the books. The courts will certainly weigh in again, as always. We are a nation of laws after all.
    It's not over for @CirrhosisDawg future lawn guy!!!!!!
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,220
    SFGbob said:

    The people aren't as dumb as you think they are and you're not a smart as you think you are Coug. It all balances out.

    How smart do you think I think I am?

    I thought mind reading was off limits here.

    It has been said that good indicators of intelligence are the ability to listen and compromise and to be reasonable; and the humility to know you don't know everything, to ask questions and to admit when you have got it wrong or learned something.

    If the person who said that was right, it doesn't bode too well for you; although I have a fighter's chance.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,213

    Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election

    At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps

    Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.
    He's not going to lose

    He's the one guy trying to fix it

    Maybe, maybe not. LIPO obviously. But he's losing the optics game right now.
    Disagree again

    People aren't as stupid as the left thinks or hopes

    Facts trump emotional appeals that are fake

    It wasn't a crisis when all these folks were coming to the border

    Now it is


    Trump just changed the asylum system back. They have to apply in Mexico

    The Democrats front runner built the concentration camps

    Good luck
    If trump doesn’t like the asylum laws, he should convince Congress and the nation to change them. If he fails at that (he has) he needs to enforce the laws already on the books. The courts will certainly weigh in again, as always. We are a nation of laws after all.
    One trick pony shows up to perform his trick.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,213

    SFGbob said:

    The people aren't as dumb as you think they are and you're not a smart as you think you are Coug. It all balances out.

    How smart do you think I think I am?

    I thought mind reading was off limits here.

    It has been said that good indicators of intelligence are the ability to listen and compromise and to be reasonable; and the humility to know you don't know everything, to ask questions and to admit when you have got it wrong or learned something.

    If the person who said that was right, it doesn't bode too well for you; although I have a fighter's chance.
    As I've already told you, I don't need to read your mind in order to know that you think you're much brighter than you really are.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,220
    salemcoog said:

    SFGbob said:

    Doubt it...you have the other side wanting to decriminalizing all illegal immigration and offering to give all illegal immigrants free health care. Hell, you had a chunk of them cross the boarder and campaign with the illegals.

    Trump will win that argument easy...

    Yep. The DNC has shown themselves once again to not be very skilled at the winning an election part. For the moderator to tee' up the "raise your hand" question on immigration and health care was campaign suicide.
    CNN has now obliged, there will be no more questions like that asked during the debate. The MSM is now going to help the Rats hide their positions on issues.

    Btw, why do you blame the moderator? Shouldn't the candidates be blamed for how they answered?
    Yes. They're all to blame.

    The moderator who asked those questions - the guy who asked a few questions in Spanish - I assume was hand picked as part of some hackneyed attempt at appearing ethnic and inclusive. Ok, fair enough. At least there's some strategy. But then he asks a question that is going to alienate the political center. Stupid.

    They don't need to ask that question. What are the people sympathetic to that view going to do? Vote for Trump?

    If the guy was actually representative of the Cuban community and it was in fact an attempt to cull the dummies and ID who will support paying for such a program, then I applaud them for at least being honest and transparent in running the debate. In that case, the DNC should have sent these idiots a memo about what happens when D candidates align themselves with fringe social issues and forget their historic working class base.

    I said this in another post: it's too back Hickenlooper is such a shadow and unknown. He has a solid background as a governor, and he seems to be a political moderate and maybe even lean a little to the right of center on the economy, more than once make his position on socialism known. But he probably doesn't stand a chance.


    Creep.... It's not 1992 anymore. The non union working man hasn't voted Democrat since then. The Democrats found something that worked in 2008. ID politics. But even then it was tempered a little bit. Now.... It's a race to the extreme left, blaming the old white rich man all the way there.

    It's not gonna work. But they've backed themselves into a corner with their base they and have no other choice.

    And they will be shown on camera crying in disbelief, again on that cold November night in 2020.
    I'm not going to get into a chicken and egg debate on this, but the swinging to extremes seems to have occured on both ends of the political spectrum.

    Beyond that, I think ID politics failed the Democrats miserably last time around. So what does a good coordinator do when they stack the box and bring in the safeties and complete stuff the run? Run it again?

    Whatever. I just know this: raising your fucking hand with the rest of the village idiots in response to that question on illegals and healthcare will bury you. Whomever emerges will have a picture of their hand up on signs at every Trump rally. People won't forget that.

    Steve Bannon knew what I said to be true: people are stupid. He counted up how many people are stupid in one particular way and said, "that's the group that will carry us to the White House." And he was spot on correct. He fed Trump that platform. Trump was just the perfect guy to execute the plan. I wonder how many people still think Trump cares about abortion. Lolz Lolz Lolz.

    You're right. It's no longer 1992 my brother Cuog. Now I'm mocked here for being a centrist. People literally attempt to insult me by pointing out my centrism ... as if it's supposed to hurt my feelings.


  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,213
    I wonder how many people still think Trump cares about abortion. Lolz Lolz Lolz.

    I don't think there were ever very many people who thought Trump cared about abortion but I'd bet there numbers were less than the number of people who thought Obama really opposed gay marriage.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,220
    salemcoog said:

    SFGbob said:

    Doubt it...you have the other side wanting to decriminalizing all illegal immigration and offering to give all illegal immigrants free health care. Hell, you had a chunk of them cross the boarder and campaign with the illegals.

    Trump will win that argument easy...

    Yep. The DNC has shown themselves once again to not be very skilled at the winning an election part. For the moderator to tee' up the "raise your hand" question on immigration and health care was campaign suicide.
    CNN has now obliged, there will be no more questions like that asked during the debate. The MSM is now going to help the Rats hide their positions on issues.

    Btw, why do you blame the moderator? Shouldn't the candidates be blamed for how they answered?
    Yes. They're all to blame.

    The moderator who asked those questions - the guy who asked a few questions in Spanish - I assume was hand picked as part of some hackneyed attempt at appearing ethnic and inclusive. Ok, fair enough. At least there's some strategy. But then he asks a question that is going to alienate the political center. Stupid.

    They don't need to ask that question. What are the people sympathetic to that view going to do? Vote for Trump?

    If the guy was actually representative of the Cuban community and it was in fact an attempt to cull the dummies and ID who will support paying for such a program, then I applaud them for at least being honest and transparent in running the debate. In that case, the DNC should have sent these idiots a memo about what happens when D candidates align themselves with fringe social issues and forget their historic working class base.

    I said this in another post: it's too back Hickenlooper is such a shadow and unknown. He has a solid background as a governor, and he seems to be a political moderate and maybe even lean a little to the right of center on the economy, more than once make his position on socialism known. But he probably doesn't stand a chance.


    Creep.... It's not 1992 anymore. The non union working man hasn't voted Democrat since then. The Democrats found something that worked in 2008. ID politics. But even then it was tempered a little bit. Now.... It's a race to the extreme left, blaming the old white rich man all the way there.

    It's not gonna work. But they've backed themselves into a corner with their base they and have no other choice.

    And they will be shown on camera crying in disbelief, again on that cold November night in 2020.
    PS: they have no other choice? Yes they do. Piss off the fringe on the left and dare them to vote for Trump. WTF else can they do? Take the chance they won't vote at all (which is possible), and reach out to the much larger constituency known as the American working class who hold reasonably moderate political views. That group that used to support you. Why won't it work? Says who? Are you telling me if they drop transgender and illegal healthcare bits they're fucked? How so? There are a lot more moderates around than it may appear in the Tug.

    Jobs Jobs Jobs. Any Dem candidate needs to impose on himself a quota for saying the word "jobs" in every single appearance. Even if there is no context, just blurt it out. Jobs! And Social Security, and Medicare and and and and. That shit. The gay community will understand if you don't make gay marriage your leading issue. Hillary talked about bathroom rights; Donnie talked about industry. This is a no fucking brainer man.

    What choice? You said yourself they'll lose in 2020 if they stick to the game plan. So what's to lose by trying something else?
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