How is Trump going to handle the immigration issue come election time?
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8 years of invitations to come and vote by your hero Barry. Being to big a pussy to bet on your mouth will always be special. Pussy.2001400ex said:
If you truly live in North Idaho. Da fuq does it matter what messicans are doing at the border?Sledog said:This election will be about two subject. The economy and the Messican border with it's never ending flood of undocumented democrat voters.
That being said, Trump had two years of complete control over Congress and owns half of Congress now. The border is getting worse and you are fucktarded to blame the minority party. Trump owns this. -
2001400ex said:
If you truly live in North Idaho. Da fuq does it matter what messicans are doing at the border?Sledog said:This election will be about two subject. The economy and the Messican border with it's never ending flood of undocumented democrat voters.
That being said, Trump had two years of complete control over Congress and owns half of Congress now. The border is getting worse and you are fucktarded to blame the minority party. Trump owns this.
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You live in North Idaho. Why are you scared of Mexicans? Seriously, they aren't going to come raid your bunker in Rathdrum.Sledog said:2001400ex said:
If you truly live in North Idaho. Da fuq does it matter what messicans are doing at the border?Sledog said:This election will be about two subject. The economy and the Messican border with it's never ending flood of undocumented democrat voters.
That being said, Trump had two years of complete control over Congress and owns half of Congress now. The border is getting worse and you are fucktarded to blame the minority party. Trump owns this. -
Michigan like Pennsylvania was within the MOE by the time Election Day came but you have always had at best a strained relationship with the truth.Bendintheriver said:
Yeah, like the 7 points he was supposedly behind in Michigan prior to the election? He won that state.dhdawg said:
trump is polling in the toilet in MichiganDJDuck said:Michigan Swing Voters Blast 2020 Democrats on Immigration: ‘We Need to Focus on Americans’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/15/michigan-swing-voters-blast-2020-democrats-on-immigration-we-need-to-focus-on-americans/
“Michigan swing voters are, by a majority, siding with President Trump’s “America First” immigration agenda and blasting plans by 2020 Democrat presidential primary candidates to open the United States-Mexico border, decriminalize illegal immigration, and provide free healthcare to all illegal aliens.
An Axios report which chronicled a focus group of Michigan swing voters — those who voted for Mitt Romney in 2012, but switched to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and those who voted for Barack Obama twice, but switched to vote for Trump in 2016 — finds that by a majority these voters prefer Trump’s low-immigration, high-wage economic model as opposed to the 2020 Democrats’ plans to allow an unlimited flow of foreign workers to the country, legally and illegally.”
A recent Zogby Analytics poll, conducted for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, surveyed Michigan voters on a number of immigration issues and found that a majority support Trump’s immigration agenda.
For instance, more than 54 percent of Michigan voters said they support ending the country’s mass importation of legal low-wage foreign workers, nearly half said they support ending the process known as “chain migration” whereby newly naturalized citizens can bring an unlimited number of foreign relatives to the country, 77 percent said they support a nationwide ban on employers hiring illegal aliens, and 55 percent said they are more likely to support a 2020 presidential candidate who agrees with the details of these plans.
Some people never will learn. -
Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.RaceBannon said:Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election
At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps -
Yeah, I know what you mean;2001400ex said:
Some people don't understand facts.Bendintheriver said:
Yeah, like the 7 points he was supposedly behind in Michigan prior to the election? He won that state.dhdawg said:
trump is polling in the toilet in MichiganDJDuck said:Michigan Swing Voters Blast 2020 Democrats on Immigration: ‘We Need to Focus on Americans’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/15/michigan-swing-voters-blast-2020-democrats-on-immigration-we-need-to-focus-on-americans/
“Michigan swing voters are, by a majority, siding with President Trump’s “America First” immigration agenda and blasting plans by 2020 Democrat presidential primary candidates to open the United States-Mexico border, decriminalize illegal immigration, and provide free healthcare to all illegal aliens.
An Axios report which chronicled a focus group of Michigan swing voters — those who voted for Mitt Romney in 2012, but switched to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and those who voted for Barack Obama twice, but switched to vote for Trump in 2016 — finds that by a majority these voters prefer Trump’s low-immigration, high-wage economic model as opposed to the 2020 Democrats’ plans to allow an unlimited flow of foreign workers to the country, legally and illegally.”
A recent Zogby Analytics poll, conducted for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, surveyed Michigan voters on a number of immigration issues and found that a majority support Trump’s immigration agenda.
For instance, more than 54 percent of Michigan voters said they support ending the country’s mass importation of legal low-wage foreign workers, nearly half said they support ending the process known as “chain migration” whereby newly naturalized citizens can bring an unlimited number of foreign relatives to the country, 77 percent said they support a nationwide ban on employers hiring illegal aliens, and 55 percent said they are more likely to support a 2020 presidential candidate who agrees with the details of these plans.
Some people never will learn.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/mi/michigan_trump_vs_clinton-5533.html
And it's a documented fact that Trump's team met with a Russian team to discuss giving DNC emails and Hillary emails to Trump. -
He's not going to loseGreenRiverGatorz said:
Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.RaceBannon said:Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election
At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps
He's the one guy trying to fix it
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Bob still clueless at how dumb that makes you look.SFGbob said:
Yeah, I know what you mean;2001400ex said:
Some people don't understand facts.Bendintheriver said:
Yeah, like the 7 points he was supposedly behind in Michigan prior to the election? He won that state.dhdawg said:
trump is polling in the toilet in MichiganDJDuck said:Michigan Swing Voters Blast 2020 Democrats on Immigration: ‘We Need to Focus on Americans’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/15/michigan-swing-voters-blast-2020-democrats-on-immigration-we-need-to-focus-on-americans/
“Michigan swing voters are, by a majority, siding with President Trump’s “America First” immigration agenda and blasting plans by 2020 Democrat presidential primary candidates to open the United States-Mexico border, decriminalize illegal immigration, and provide free healthcare to all illegal aliens.
An Axios report which chronicled a focus group of Michigan swing voters — those who voted for Mitt Romney in 2012, but switched to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and those who voted for Barack Obama twice, but switched to vote for Trump in 2016 — finds that by a majority these voters prefer Trump’s low-immigration, high-wage economic model as opposed to the 2020 Democrats’ plans to allow an unlimited flow of foreign workers to the country, legally and illegally.”
A recent Zogby Analytics poll, conducted for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, surveyed Michigan voters on a number of immigration issues and found that a majority support Trump’s immigration agenda.
For instance, more than 54 percent of Michigan voters said they support ending the country’s mass importation of legal low-wage foreign workers, nearly half said they support ending the process known as “chain migration” whereby newly naturalized citizens can bring an unlimited number of foreign relatives to the country, 77 percent said they support a nationwide ban on employers hiring illegal aliens, and 55 percent said they are more likely to support a 2020 presidential candidate who agrees with the details of these plans.
Some people never will learn.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/mi/michigan_trump_vs_clinton-5533.html
And it's a documented fact that Trump's team met with a Russian team to discuss giving DNC emails and Hillary emails to Trump. -
Yes, you being a lying piece of shit makes me look awful.2001400ex said:
Bob still clueless at how dumb that makes you look.SFGbob said:
Yeah, I know what you mean;2001400ex said:
Some people don't understand facts.Bendintheriver said:
Yeah, like the 7 points he was supposedly behind in Michigan prior to the election? He won that state.dhdawg said:
trump is polling in the toilet in MichiganDJDuck said:Michigan Swing Voters Blast 2020 Democrats on Immigration: ‘We Need to Focus on Americans’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/15/michigan-swing-voters-blast-2020-democrats-on-immigration-we-need-to-focus-on-americans/
“Michigan swing voters are, by a majority, siding with President Trump’s “America First” immigration agenda and blasting plans by 2020 Democrat presidential primary candidates to open the United States-Mexico border, decriminalize illegal immigration, and provide free healthcare to all illegal aliens.
An Axios report which chronicled a focus group of Michigan swing voters — those who voted for Mitt Romney in 2012, but switched to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and those who voted for Barack Obama twice, but switched to vote for Trump in 2016 — finds that by a majority these voters prefer Trump’s low-immigration, high-wage economic model as opposed to the 2020 Democrats’ plans to allow an unlimited flow of foreign workers to the country, legally and illegally.”
A recent Zogby Analytics poll, conducted for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, surveyed Michigan voters on a number of immigration issues and found that a majority support Trump’s immigration agenda.
For instance, more than 54 percent of Michigan voters said they support ending the country’s mass importation of legal low-wage foreign workers, nearly half said they support ending the process known as “chain migration” whereby newly naturalized citizens can bring an unlimited number of foreign relatives to the country, 77 percent said they support a nationwide ban on employers hiring illegal aliens, and 55 percent said they are more likely to support a 2020 presidential candidate who agrees with the details of these plans.
Some people never will learn.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/mi/michigan_trump_vs_clinton-5533.html
And it's a documented fact that Trump's team met with a Russian team to discuss giving DNC emails and Hillary emails to Trump. -
Maybe, maybe not. LIPO obviously. But he's losing the optics game right now.RaceBannon said:
He's not going to loseGreenRiverGatorz said:
Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.RaceBannon said:Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election
At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps
He's the one guy trying to fix it -
Disagree againGreenRiverGatorz said:
Maybe, maybe not. LIPO obviously. But he's losing the optics game right now.RaceBannon said:
He's not going to loseGreenRiverGatorz said:
Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.RaceBannon said:Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election
At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps
He's the one guy trying to fix it
People aren't as stupid as the left thinks or hopes
Facts trump emotional appeals that are fake
It wasn't a crisis when all these folks were coming to the border
Now it is
Trump just changed the asylum system back. They have to apply in Mexico
The Democrats front runner built the concentration camps
Good luck -
Mostly they are. Plato was right.RaceBannon said:
Disagree againGreenRiverGatorz said:
Maybe, maybe not. LIPO obviously. But he's losing the optics game right now.RaceBannon said:
He's not going to loseGreenRiverGatorz said:
Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.RaceBannon said:Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election
At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps
He's the one guy trying to fix it
People aren't as stupid as the left thinks or hopes
Facts trump emotional appeals that are fake
It wasn't a crisis when all these folks were coming to the border
Now it is
Trump just changed the asylum system back. They have to apply in Mexico
The Democrats front runner built the concentration camps
Good luck
And those people generally start with the conclusion they wanted in the first place and work their way back from there.
Don't shoot the messenger. It is what it is. -
The people aren't as dumb as you think they are and you're not a smart as you think you are Coug. It all balances out.
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Gonna have to agree with Creep on this one. There are some truly stupid people who vote (on both sides).
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People really are that stupid. Most of the country isn't listening to you or Ben Shapiro. The media is singularly obsessed with the mistreatment of children, while the inaction from democrats is back page news. Trump made it a point to ruthlessly attack the media ever since he was a candidate and now it's biting him in the ass. He's misplayed this from the beginning.RaceBannon said:
Disagree againGreenRiverGatorz said:
Maybe, maybe not. LIPO obviously. But he's losing the optics game right now.RaceBannon said:
He's not going to loseGreenRiverGatorz said:
Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.RaceBannon said:Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election
At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps
He's the one guy trying to fix it
People aren't as stupid as the left thinks or hopes
Facts trump emotional appeals that are fake
It wasn't a crisis when all these folks were coming to the border
Now it is
Trump just changed the asylum system back. They have to apply in Mexico
The Democrats front runner built the concentration camps
Good luck -
creepycoug said:
Yes. They're all to blame.SFGbob said:
CNN has now obliged, there will be no more questions like that asked during the debate. The MSM is now going to help the Rats hide their positions on issues.creepycoug said:
Yep. The DNC has shown themselves once again to not be very skilled at the winning an election part. For the moderator to tee' up the "raise your hand" question on immigration and health care was campaign suicide.HoustonHusky said:Doubt it...you have the other side wanting to decriminalizing all illegal immigration and offering to give all illegal immigrants free health care. Hell, you had a chunk of them cross the boarder and campaign with the illegals.
Trump will win that argument easy...
Btw, why do you blame the moderator? Shouldn't the candidates be blamed for how they answered?
The moderator who asked those questions - the guy who asked a few questions in Spanish - I assume was hand picked as part of some hackneyed attempt at appearing ethnic and inclusive. Ok, fair enough. At least there's some strategy. But then he asks a question that is going to alienate the political center. Stupid.
They don't need to ask that question. What are the people sympathetic to that view going to do? Vote for Trump?
If the guy was actually representative of the Cuban community and it was in fact an attempt to cull the dummies and ID who will support paying for such a program, then I applaud them for at least being honest and transparent in running the debate. In that case, the DNC should have sent these idiots a memo about what happens when D candidates align themselves with fringe social issues and forget their historic working class base.
I said this in another post: it's too back Hickenlooper is such a shadow and unknown. He has a solid background as a governor, and he seems to be a political moderate and maybe even lean a little to the right of center on the economy, more than once make his position on socialism known. But he probably doesn't stand a chance.
Creep.... It's not 1992 anymore. The non union working man hasn't voted Democrat since then. The Democrats found something that worked in 2008. ID politics. But even then it was tempered a little bit. Now.... It's a race to the extreme left, blaming the old white rich man all the way there.
It's not gonna work. But they've backed themselves into a corner with their base they and have no other choice.
And they will be shown on camera crying in disbelief, again on that cold November night in 2020. -
I'm not arguing that there are no stupid voters. We have Hondo here to disabuse anyone of that notion. I just don't believe that the dumbass voter is the majority of all voters.USMChawk said:Gonna have to agree with Creep on this one. There are some truly stupid people who vote (on both sides).
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Not to those with a head on their shoulders.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Maybe, maybe not. LIPO obviously. But he's losing the optics game right now.RaceBannon said:
He's not going to loseGreenRiverGatorz said:
Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.RaceBannon said:Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election
At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps
He's the one guy trying to fix it -
I may have more readers than CNN has viewers these daysGreenRiverGatorz said:
People really are that stupid. Most of the country isn't listening to you or Ben Shapiro. The media is singularly obsessed with the mistreatment of children, while the inaction from democrats is back page news. Trump made it a point to ruthlessly attack the media ever since he was a candidate and now it's biting him in the ass. He's misplayed this from the beginning.RaceBannon said:
Disagree againGreenRiverGatorz said:
Maybe, maybe not. LIPO obviously. But he's losing the optics game right now.RaceBannon said:
He's not going to loseGreenRiverGatorz said:
Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.RaceBannon said:Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election
At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps
He's the one guy trying to fix it
People aren't as stupid as the left thinks or hopes
Facts trump emotional appeals that are fake
It wasn't a crisis when all these folks were coming to the border
Now it is
Trump just changed the asylum system back. They have to apply in Mexico
The Democrats front runner built the concentration camps
Good luck -
And attacking the media got him elected and will get him re elected
He's never taken the advice you want to give him to lay back and take it
Smart -
When the fuck has that ever mattered in the optics game?salemcoog said:
Not to those with a head on their shoulders.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Maybe, maybe not. LIPO obviously. But he's losing the optics game right now.RaceBannon said:
He's not going to loseGreenRiverGatorz said:
Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.RaceBannon said:Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election
At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps
He's the one guy trying to fix it -
Better question, When has optics mattered 16 months before an election?GreenRiverGatorz said:
When the fuck has that ever mattered in the optics game?salemcoog said:
Not to those with a head on their shoulders.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Maybe, maybe not. LIPO obviously. But he's losing the optics game right now.RaceBannon said:
He's not going to loseGreenRiverGatorz said:
Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.RaceBannon said:Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election
At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps
He's the one guy trying to fix it -
If trump doesn’t like the asylum laws, he should convince Congress and the nation to change them. If he fails at that (he has) he needs to enforce the laws already on the books. The courts will certainly weigh in again, as always. We are a nation of laws after all.RaceBannon said:
Disagree againGreenRiverGatorz said:
Maybe, maybe not. LIPO obviously. But he's losing the optics game right now.RaceBannon said:
He's not going to loseGreenRiverGatorz said:
Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.RaceBannon said:Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election
At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps
He's the one guy trying to fix it
People aren't as stupid as the left thinks or hopes
Facts trump emotional appeals that are fake
It wasn't a crisis when all these folks were coming to the border
Now it is
Trump just changed the asylum system back. They have to apply in Mexico
The Democrats front runner built the concentration camps
Good luck -
It's not over for @CirrhosisDawg future lawn guy!!!!!!CirrhosisDawg said:
If trump doesn’t like the asylum laws, he should convince Congress and the nation to change them. If he fails at that (he has) he needs to enforce the laws already on the books. The courts will certainly weigh in again, as always. We are a nation of laws after all.RaceBannon said:
Disagree againGreenRiverGatorz said:
Maybe, maybe not. LIPO obviously. But he's losing the optics game right now.RaceBannon said:
He's not going to loseGreenRiverGatorz said:
Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.RaceBannon said:Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election
At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps
He's the one guy trying to fix it
People aren't as stupid as the left thinks or hopes
Facts trump emotional appeals that are fake
It wasn't a crisis when all these folks were coming to the border
Now it is
Trump just changed the asylum system back. They have to apply in Mexico
The Democrats front runner built the concentration camps
Good luck -
How smart do you think I think I am?SFGbob said:The people aren't as dumb as you think they are and you're not a smart as you think you are Coug. It all balances out.
I thought mind reading was off limits here.
It has been said that good indicators of intelligence are the ability to listen and compromise and to be reasonable; and the humility to know you don't know everything, to ask questions and to admit when you have got it wrong or learned something.
If the person who said that was right, it doesn't bode too well for you; although I have a fighter's chance. -
One trick pony shows up to perform his trick.CirrhosisDawg said:
If trump doesn’t like the asylum laws, he should convince Congress and the nation to change them. If he fails at that (he has) he needs to enforce the laws already on the books. The courts will certainly weigh in again, as always. We are a nation of laws after all.RaceBannon said:
Disagree againGreenRiverGatorz said:
Maybe, maybe not. LIPO obviously. But he's losing the optics game right now.RaceBannon said:
He's not going to loseGreenRiverGatorz said:
Damn right. House Dems have refused funding for border services that would solve the humanitarian crisis yesterday. That's because voters don't actually pays attention to congressional dealings, they're all focused on Trump's treatment of children. He was a fucking idiot for falling into that trap in the first place and his name is branded all over the mess. If he loses 2020 he can thank his initial border blunders and mismanagement as the chief reason.RaceBannon said:Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election
At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps
He's the one guy trying to fix it
People aren't as stupid as the left thinks or hopes
Facts trump emotional appeals that are fake
It wasn't a crisis when all these folks were coming to the border
Now it is
Trump just changed the asylum system back. They have to apply in Mexico
The Democrats front runner built the concentration camps
Good luck -
As I've already told you, I don't need to read your mind in order to know that you think you're much brighter than you really are.creepycoug said:
How smart do you think I think I am?SFGbob said:The people aren't as dumb as you think they are and you're not a smart as you think you are Coug. It all balances out.
I thought mind reading was off limits here.
It has been said that good indicators of intelligence are the ability to listen and compromise and to be reasonable; and the humility to know you don't know everything, to ask questions and to admit when you have got it wrong or learned something.
If the person who said that was right, it doesn't bode too well for you; although I have a fighter's chance. -
I'm not going to get into a chicken and egg debate on this, but the swinging to extremes seems to have occured on both ends of the political spectrum.salemcoog said:creepycoug said:
Yes. They're all to blame.SFGbob said:
CNN has now obliged, there will be no more questions like that asked during the debate. The MSM is now going to help the Rats hide their positions on issues.creepycoug said:
Yep. The DNC has shown themselves once again to not be very skilled at the winning an election part. For the moderator to tee' up the "raise your hand" question on immigration and health care was campaign suicide.HoustonHusky said:Doubt it...you have the other side wanting to decriminalizing all illegal immigration and offering to give all illegal immigrants free health care. Hell, you had a chunk of them cross the boarder and campaign with the illegals.
Trump will win that argument easy...
Btw, why do you blame the moderator? Shouldn't the candidates be blamed for how they answered?
The moderator who asked those questions - the guy who asked a few questions in Spanish - I assume was hand picked as part of some hackneyed attempt at appearing ethnic and inclusive. Ok, fair enough. At least there's some strategy. But then he asks a question that is going to alienate the political center. Stupid.
They don't need to ask that question. What are the people sympathetic to that view going to do? Vote for Trump?
If the guy was actually representative of the Cuban community and it was in fact an attempt to cull the dummies and ID who will support paying for such a program, then I applaud them for at least being honest and transparent in running the debate. In that case, the DNC should have sent these idiots a memo about what happens when D candidates align themselves with fringe social issues and forget their historic working class base.
I said this in another post: it's too back Hickenlooper is such a shadow and unknown. He has a solid background as a governor, and he seems to be a political moderate and maybe even lean a little to the right of center on the economy, more than once make his position on socialism known. But he probably doesn't stand a chance.
Creep.... It's not 1992 anymore. The non union working man hasn't voted Democrat since then. The Democrats found something that worked in 2008. ID politics. But even then it was tempered a little bit. Now.... It's a race to the extreme left, blaming the old white rich man all the way there.
It's not gonna work. But they've backed themselves into a corner with their base they and have no other choice.
And they will be shown on camera crying in disbelief, again on that cold November night in 2020.
Beyond that, I think ID politics failed the Democrats miserably last time around. So what does a good coordinator do when they stack the box and bring in the safeties and complete stuff the run? Run it again?
Whatever. I just know this: raising your fucking hand with the rest of the village idiots in response to that question on illegals and healthcare will bury you. Whomever emerges will have a picture of their hand up on signs at every Trump rally. People won't forget that.
Steve Bannon knew what I said to be true: people are stupid. He counted up how many people are stupid in one particular way and said, "that's the group that will carry us to the White House." And he was spot on correct. He fed Trump that platform. Trump was just the perfect guy to execute the plan. I wonder how many people still think Trump cares about abortion. Lolz Lolz Lolz.
You're right. It's no longer 1992 my brother Cuog. Now I'm mocked here for being a centrist. People literally attempt to insult me by pointing out my centrism ... as if it's supposed to hurt my feelings.
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I wonder how many people still think Trump cares about abortion. Lolz Lolz Lolz.
I don't think there were ever very many people who thought Trump cared about abortion but I'd bet there numbers were less than the number of people who thought Obama really opposed gay marriage. -
PS: they have no other choice? Yes they do. Piss off the fringe on the left and dare them to vote for Trump. WTF else can they do? Take the chance they won't vote at all (which is possible), and reach out to the much larger constituency known as the American working class who hold reasonably moderate political views. That group that used to support you. Why won't it work? Says who? Are you telling me if they drop transgender and illegal healthcare bits they're fucked? How so? There are a lot more moderates around than it may appear in the Tug.salemcoog said:creepycoug said:
Yes. They're all to blame.SFGbob said:
CNN has now obliged, there will be no more questions like that asked during the debate. The MSM is now going to help the Rats hide their positions on issues.creepycoug said:
Yep. The DNC has shown themselves once again to not be very skilled at the winning an election part. For the moderator to tee' up the "raise your hand" question on immigration and health care was campaign suicide.HoustonHusky said:Doubt it...you have the other side wanting to decriminalizing all illegal immigration and offering to give all illegal immigrants free health care. Hell, you had a chunk of them cross the boarder and campaign with the illegals.
Trump will win that argument easy...
Btw, why do you blame the moderator? Shouldn't the candidates be blamed for how they answered?
The moderator who asked those questions - the guy who asked a few questions in Spanish - I assume was hand picked as part of some hackneyed attempt at appearing ethnic and inclusive. Ok, fair enough. At least there's some strategy. But then he asks a question that is going to alienate the political center. Stupid.
They don't need to ask that question. What are the people sympathetic to that view going to do? Vote for Trump?
If the guy was actually representative of the Cuban community and it was in fact an attempt to cull the dummies and ID who will support paying for such a program, then I applaud them for at least being honest and transparent in running the debate. In that case, the DNC should have sent these idiots a memo about what happens when D candidates align themselves with fringe social issues and forget their historic working class base.
I said this in another post: it's too back Hickenlooper is such a shadow and unknown. He has a solid background as a governor, and he seems to be a political moderate and maybe even lean a little to the right of center on the economy, more than once make his position on socialism known. But he probably doesn't stand a chance.
Creep.... It's not 1992 anymore. The non union working man hasn't voted Democrat since then. The Democrats found something that worked in 2008. ID politics. But even then it was tempered a little bit. Now.... It's a race to the extreme left, blaming the old white rich man all the way there.
It's not gonna work. But they've backed themselves into a corner with their base they and have no other choice.
And they will be shown on camera crying in disbelief, again on that cold November night in 2020.
Jobs Jobs Jobs. Any Dem candidate needs to impose on himself a quota for saying the word "jobs" in every single appearance. Even if there is no context, just blurt it out. Jobs! And Social Security, and Medicare and and and and. That shit. The gay community will understand if you don't make gay marriage your leading issue. Hillary talked about bathroom rights; Donnie talked about industry. This is a no fucking brainer man.
What choice? You said yourself they'll lose in 2020 if they stick to the game plan. So what's to lose by trying something else?
