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Mason West, 6'4, 240 lb, 3* 2020 TE, La Habra, CA (Committed)

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  • whatshouldicareabout
    whatshouldicareabout Member Posts: 12,990

    Why do we continue to enable Paopao and Gregory?

    PaoPao sucks, but to be disappointed because he got Yurosek and Redman would be stupid.
    Yurosek is a great athlete but he's stiffer than a fence post. He has no wiggle with the ball in his hands like Redman and Taylor do. There's a gap between those two and Yurosek and then another gap between Yurosek and this kid.
    When it comes to tight ends, "wiggle" is way down the list of attributes I give a fuck about.
    It's literally the one thing that separates the greats from the average at the position. JAG TE's catch the ball and get tackled. The greats make guys miss and break tackles and turn short gains into explosive plays and touchdowns.
    Sure. A guy like Witten with zero moves is going to be a first ballot hall of famer, but wiggle is what separates the goods from greats. Yurosek is going to be 6'5" 250 when he sees the field. I don't care if he can't juke for shit at that size. You probably want all your quarterbacks to have six packs too.
    Witten is the Wes Welker of Tight Ends. But sure, everybody prefers stiff guys over more athletic guys right? I'm sure Yurosek will be a future hall of famer like Witten right? You would take Witten over Gronk or Travis Kelce right? Logic is hard for you.
    I would take any of those three. What a fucking stupid question.
    Oh my god you're so dumb. The point is, the chances of some stiff, lesser athlete becoming the next Jason Witten are extremely low. If you had the choice of between a stiff and a fluid athlete coming out of high school, you want the better athlete every time.
    Cade Otton is a "stiff". It's pretty much the fucking definition of WTE. No one is arguing about your last point. Go ahead and take a few plays off.
    Just because someone is white doesn't mean they don't have wiggle.
    Have you been under the impression this entire time that "WTE" literally refers to the player's race?
    Personally, I know WTE means something, but I don't know what. Warrior Tight End? I also know that BTE means something and I don't know what. Berserker Tight End? If you haven't read the board for years you don't understand half the shit that gets thrown out in here. It's a good ol' boys club and someone needs to make a glossary.
    WTE: Blocking TE
    BTE: Athletic Mismatch TE


    Prominent WTE: Kizer, Dissly, Sample

    Prominent BTE: Hunter, Jeremy Stevens, THE LATE GREAT ROD JONES (RIP POUR SOME OUT), ASJ, Travis Kelce

    “Because parents read these” you can be both. Mark REDMAN is 100% hands down without a doubt a BTE, but he has an amazing nasty edge that he blocks with much like Gronk (no whoosh) giving him a WTE card while still being a BTE. Mark Redman is a 6’6 Dev Culp.


    Sample had some BTE in him that was wasted by Jake and Jake only (don’t you dare come after MY BUSH) but he is the definition of a WTE. Hunter is the definition of a BTE. Otton’s film shows he’s more BTE than he is WTE until he physically matures. By his Junior year he’ll be the best WTE in the country


    (BTW This is by far my favorite game to play on here, A black guy trying to explain how BTE/WTE isn’t defined by race but yet style of play while trying not to sound racist trying to describe the descriptions of skill sets which is basically just stereotyping therefore being racist then using opposite examples that will confuse the hell out of the person questioning)
    We could use the standard terminology of Y-TE (as in X, Y, Z) and H-TE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-back)
  • backthepack
    backthepack Member Posts: 19,937

    Why do we continue to enable Paopao and Gregory?

    PaoPao sucks, but to be disappointed because he got Yurosek and Redman would be stupid.
    Yurosek is a great athlete but he's stiffer than a fence post. He has no wiggle with the ball in his hands like Redman and Taylor do. There's a gap between those two and Yurosek and then another gap between Yurosek and this kid.
    When it comes to tight ends, "wiggle" is way down the list of attributes I give a fuck about.
    It's literally the one thing that separates the greats from the average at the position. JAG TE's catch the ball and get tackled. The greats make guys miss and break tackles and turn short gains into explosive plays and touchdowns.
    Sure. A guy like Witten with zero moves is going to be a first ballot hall of famer, but wiggle is what separates the goods from greats. Yurosek is going to be 6'5" 250 when he sees the field. I don't care if he can't juke for shit at that size. You probably want all your quarterbacks to have six packs too.
    Witten is the Wes Welker of Tight Ends. But sure, everybody prefers stiff guys over more athletic guys right? I'm sure Yurosek will be a future hall of famer like Witten right? You would take Witten over Gronk or Travis Kelce right? Logic is hard for you.
    I would take any of those three. What a fucking stupid question.
    Oh my god you're so dumb. The point is, the chances of some stiff, lesser athlete becoming the next Jason Witten are extremely low. If you had the choice of between a stiff and a fluid athlete coming out of high school, you want the better athlete every time.
    Cade Otton is a "stiff". It's pretty much the fucking definition of WTE. No one is arguing about your last point. Go ahead and take a few plays off.
    Just because someone is white doesn't mean they don't have wiggle.
    Have you been under the impression this entire time that "WTE" literally refers to the player's race?
    Personally, I know WTE means something, but I don't know what. Warrior Tight End? I also know that BTE means something and I don't know what. Berserker Tight End? If you haven't read the board for years you don't understand half the shit that gets thrown out in here. It's a good ol' boys club and someone needs to make a glossary.
    WTE: Blocking TE
    BTE: Athletic Mismatch TE


    Prominent WTE: Kizer, Dissly, Sample

    Prominent BTE: Hunter, Jeremy Stevens, THE LATE GREAT ROD JONES (RIP POUR SOME OUT), ASJ, Travis Kelce

    “Because parents read these” you can be both. Mark REDMAN is 100% hands down without a doubt a BTE, but he has an amazing nasty edge that he blocks with much like Gronk (no whoosh) giving him a WTE card while still being a BTE. Mark Redman is a 6’6 Dev Culp.


    Sample had some BTE in him that was wasted by Jake and Jake only (don’t you dare come after MY BUSH) but he is the definition of a WTE. Hunter is the definition of a BTE. Otton’s film shows he’s more BTE than he is WTE until he physically matures. By his Junior year he’ll be the best WTE in the country


    (BTW This is by far my favorite game to play on here, A black guy trying to explain how BTE/WTE isn’t defined by race but yet style of play while trying not to sound racist trying to describe the descriptions of skill sets which is basically just stereotyping therefore being racist then using opposite examples that will confuse the hell out of the person questioning)
    We could use the standard terminology of Y-TE (as in X, Y, Z) and H-TE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-back)
    This bored prefers racist crap!
  • dirtysouwfdawg
    dirtysouwfdawg Member Posts: 14,086

    Why do we continue to enable Paopao and Gregory?

    PaoPao sucks, but to be disappointed because he got Yurosek and Redman would be stupid.
    Yurosek is a great athlete but he's stiffer than a fence post. He has no wiggle with the ball in his hands like Redman and Taylor do. There's a gap between those two and Yurosek and then another gap between Yurosek and this kid.
    When it comes to tight ends, "wiggle" is way down the list of attributes I give a fuck about.
    It's literally the one thing that separates the greats from the average at the position. JAG TE's catch the ball and get tackled. The greats make guys miss and break tackles and turn short gains into explosive plays and touchdowns.
    Sure. A guy like Witten with zero moves is going to be a first ballot hall of famer, but wiggle is what separates the goods from greats. Yurosek is going to be 6'5" 250 when he sees the field. I don't care if he can't juke for shit at that size. You probably want all your quarterbacks to have six packs too.
    Witten is the Wes Welker of Tight Ends. But sure, everybody prefers stiff guys over more athletic guys right? I'm sure Yurosek will be a future hall of famer like Witten right? You would take Witten over Gronk or Travis Kelce right? Logic is hard for you.
    I would take any of those three. What a fucking stupid question.
    Oh my god you're so dumb. The point is, the chances of some stiff, lesser athlete becoming the next Jason Witten are extremely low. If you had the choice of between a stiff and a fluid athlete coming out of high school, you want the better athlete every time.
    Cade Otton is a "stiff". It's pretty much the fucking definition of WTE. No one is arguing about your last point. Go ahead and take a few plays off.
    Just because someone is white doesn't mean they don't have wiggle.
    Have you been under the impression this entire time that "WTE" literally refers to the player's race?
    Personally, I know WTE means something, but I don't know what. Warrior Tight End? I also know that BTE means something and I don't know what. Berserker Tight End? If you haven't read the board for years you don't understand half the shit that gets thrown out in here. It's a good ol' boys club and someone needs to make a glossary.
    WTE: Blocking TE
    BTE: Athletic Mismatch TE


    Prominent WTE: Kizer, Dissly, Sample

    Prominent BTE: Hunter, Jeremy Stevens, THE LATE GREAT ROD JONES (RIP POUR SOME OUT), ASJ, Travis Kelce

    “Because parents read these” you can be both. Mark REDMAN is 100% hands down without a doubt a BTE, but he has an amazing nasty edge that he blocks with much like Gronk (no whoosh) giving him a WTE card while still being a BTE. Mark Redman is a 6’6 Dev Culp.


    Sample had some BTE in him that was wasted by Jake and Jake only (don’t you dare come after MY BUSH) but he is the definition of a WTE. Hunter is the definition of a BTE. Otton’s film shows he’s more BTE than he is WTE until he physically matures. By his Junior year he’ll be the best WTE in the country


    (BTW This is by far my favorite game to play on here, A black guy trying to explain how BTE/WTE isn’t defined by race but yet style of play while trying not to sound racist trying to describe the descriptions of skill sets which is basically just stereotyping therefore being racist then using opposite examples that will confuse the hell out of the person questioning)
    We could use the standard terminology of Y-TE (as in X, Y, Z) and H-TE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-back)
    Wtf... take that shit to doogman.
  • bananasnblondes
    bananasnblondes Member Posts: 15,506
    If this guy commits, can we just call him Mountain West?
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    Ruth sure doesn't like criticism of POWPOW


  • animate
    animate Member Posts: 4,245
    dhdawg said:

    animate said:

    dhdawg said:

    Ruth sure doesn't like criticism of POWPOW


    So, the only guy on a one year "show me something" contract is supposed to be left alone?

    Ruth is nuts.

    If she says take it easy then that means up the pressure.
    #neverforget Ruth rampaging against posters who said that it appeared lubick was on his way out 2 days before he "retired"
    Good that recruiting is inherently crazy so it helps the buzz if Ruth is crazy herself. No one wants boring recruiting
  • KrunkJuice
    KrunkJuice Member Posts: 2,070
    So according to Roof we are going to try and take a 3rd TE after West. Looking just at uncommitted TE's at 247 you have:

    #10/670 - Connor O'Toole from New Mexico (90 ranking according to 247) Listed at 6'3 - 210.
    #29/NA - Alex Hines from Arizona (4 CB's to Utah)
    #53/NA - Jake Overman from Anaheim (Trending heavy to Babushka St.)
    #67/NA- Sterling Stokes form Oakland (Bishop O'Dowd) 82 ranking
    #71/NA - Michael Ambagtsheer from San Diego

    Every uncommitted TE is in Texas or East of it. It is slim pickens. This is not going to end well.
  • Neighbor2972
    Neighbor2972 Member Posts: 4,330

    So according to Roof we are going to try and take a 3rd TE after West. Looking just at uncommitted TE's at 247 you have:

    #10/670 - Connor O'Toole from New Mexico (90 ranking according to 247) Listed at 6'3 - 210.
    #29/NA - Alex Hines from Arizona (4 CB's to Utah)
    #53/NA - Jake Overman from Anaheim (Trending heavy to Babushka St.)
    #67/NA- Sterling Stokes form Oakland (Bishop O'Dowd) 82 ranking
    #71/NA - Michael Ambagtsheer from San Diego

    Every uncommitted TE is in Texas or East of it. It is slim pickens. This is not going to end well.

    I'd rather put that walk on tight end on scholarship
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326

    So according to Roof we are going to try and take a 3rd TE after West. Looking just at uncommitted TE's at 247 you have:

    #10/670 - Connor O'Toole from New Mexico (90 ranking according to 247) Listed at 6'3 - 210.
    #29/NA - Alex Hines from Arizona (4 CB's to Utah)
    #53/NA - Jake Overman from Anaheim (Trending heavy to Babushka St.)
    #67/NA- Sterling Stokes form Oakland (Bishop O'Dowd) 82 ranking
    #71/NA - Michael Ambagtsheer from San Diego

    Every uncommitted TE is in Texas or East of it. It is slim pickens. This is not going to end well.

    It's an absolute crapshow. Bur dissly and sample were good so TE recruiting doesn't matter. Yes that is literally a talking point on realdawg
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,047 Founders Club

    This thread has AIDS. Fuck off, wiggle arguers. Paopao is a fine coach, but on a scale of 1-10 as a recruiter he’s a fucking ZERO. Fire his fucking ass. We already have too many coaches who can’t recruit.

    Paopao gets an obvious zero for last year's class, but getting Redman is a minimum 6. Add one of Taylor or Yurosek and it's an 8. Get all three and that's a fucking 10.
    *sigh
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,047 Founders Club

    So according to Roof we are going to try and take a 3rd TE after West. Looking just at uncommitted TE's at 247 you have:

    #10/670 - Connor O'Toole from New Mexico (90 ranking according to 247) Listed at 6'3 - 210.
    #29/NA - Alex Hines from Arizona (4 CB's to Utah)
    #53/NA - Jake Overman from Anaheim (Trending heavy to Babushka St.)
    #67/NA- Sterling Stokes form Oakland (Bishop O'Dowd) 82 ranking
    #71/NA - Michael Ambagtsheer from San Diego

    Every uncommitted TE is in Texas or East of it. It is slim pickens. This is not going to end well.

    Jesus, does Memmelaar have a twin brother they abandoned to big foots in the woods or something?
  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    edited July 2019
    He will probably will end up being a nfl player, but fuck paopao
  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,160
    FirePete said:

    He will probably will end up being a nfl player, but fuck paopao

    FirePete said:

    He will probably will end up being a nfl player, but fuck paopao

    See the irony here?
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,047 Founders Club
  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735
    edited July 2019
    Lol stop with the Drew Sample comparisons. Sample was way more athletic in high school. He was faster and a better receiver than this kid. This is a fucking reach until proven otherwise. Just tell it like it is.
  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735
    edited July 2019
    dnc said:

    Lol stop with the Drew Sample comparisons. Sample was way more athletic in high school. He was faster and a better receiver than this kid. This is a fucking reach until proven otherwise. Just tell it like it is.

    They're ranked roughly the same and, like Sample, West had to attend Pete's June camp in order to earn an offer (and that was Pete's camp at Boise, who knows if Sample would have gotten a UW offer as quickly).

    They're very close to the same size and build too.

    It's a pretty natural comp.
    LMAO STOOOOOOOOP IT!!! I can't take it anymore. Doog overload. Just watch Sample's high school film. It's night and day between the two. This is the slowest TE we've taken since Kizer and he's not even a nasty blocker. Fuck off with this doog shit. The only comparisons you can make are they're both white and around the same size in high school and have similar 3-star rankings as recruits. Natural comp my ass. You could say the same shit about most of the TE recruits in the country.
  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735
    edited July 2019
    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Lol stop with the Drew Sample comparisons. Sample was way more athletic in high school. He was faster and a better receiver than this kid. This is a fucking reach until proven otherwise. Just tell it like it is.

    They're ranked roughly the same and, like Sample, West had to attend Pete's June camp in order to earn an offer (and that was Pete's camp at Boise, who knows if Sample would have gotten a UW offer as quickly).

    They're very close to the same size and build too.

    It's a pretty natural comp.
    LMAO STOOOOOOOOP IT!!! I can't take it anymore. Doog overload. Just watch Sample's high school film. It's night and day between the two. This is the slowest TE we've taken since Kizer and he's not even a nasty blocker. Fuck off with this doog shit. The only comparisons you can make are they're both white and around the same size in high school and have similar 3-star rankings as recruits. Natural comp my ass. You could say the same shit about most of the TE recruits in the country.
    I'm sure you've spent hours comparing Sample's junior tape to West's junior tape.

    One thing is certain, West is much closer to Drew Sample 2.0 than Trey Lowe is to Barry Sanders 2.0.
    No he's really not. Trey Lowe's high school film is better than Barry Sanders' high school film. Lowe was incredibly elusive. Lowe ran circles around guys. But I never even said Lowe was going to be the next Sanders. It was an obvious comparison with both being small and incredibly elusive running backs. It's not like Sanders was way faster or more physically gifted than Lowe. He wasn't. Both are super quick with stupid cutting ability and vision. That's the easiest and most obvious comparison for Lowe as a RB coming out of high school.

    It's fucking hilarious how you talk a big game about wanting elite talent and settling for JAGs being unacceptable but as soon as it actual happens and a likely JAG commits you transform into super doog. He's not close to Drew Sample at all. He's closer to Kizer than Sample.
  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Lol stop with the Drew Sample comparisons. Sample was way more athletic in high school. He was faster and a better receiver than this kid. This is a fucking reach until proven otherwise. Just tell it like it is.

    They're ranked roughly the same and, like Sample, West had to attend Pete's June camp in order to earn an offer (and that was Pete's camp at Boise, who knows if Sample would have gotten a UW offer as quickly).

    They're very close to the same size and build too.

    It's a pretty natural comp.
    LMAO STOOOOOOOOP IT!!! I can't take it anymore. Doog overload. Just watch Sample's high school film. It's night and day between the two. This is the slowest TE we've taken since Kizer and he's not even a nasty blocker. Fuck off with this doog shit. The only comparisons you can make are they're both white and around the same size in high school and have similar 3-star rankings as recruits. Natural comp my ass. You could say the same shit about most of the TE recruits in the country.
    I'm sure you've spent hours comparing Sample's junior tape to West's junior tape.

    One thing is certain, West is much closer to Drew Sample 2.0 than Trey Lowe is to Barry Sanders 2.0.
    No he's really not. Trey Lowe's high school film is better than Barry Sanders' high school film. Lowe was incredibly elusive.

    It's fucking hilarious how you idiots talk a big game about wanting elite talent and settling for JAGs in unacceptable but as soon as it actual happens and a likely JAG commits you transform into super doogs. He's not close to Drew Sample at all. He's closer to Kizer than Sample.
    Jesus, r u really going to compare Lowe to Sanders?
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    FirePete said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Lol stop with the Drew Sample comparisons. Sample was way more athletic in high school. He was faster and a better receiver than this kid. This is a fucking reach until proven otherwise. Just tell it like it is.

    They're ranked roughly the same and, like Sample, West had to attend Pete's June camp in order to earn an offer (and that was Pete's camp at Boise, who knows if Sample would have gotten a UW offer as quickly).

    They're very close to the same size and build too.

    It's a pretty natural comp.
    LMAO STOOOOOOOOP IT!!! I can't take it anymore. Doog overload. Just watch Sample's high school film. It's night and day between the two. This is the slowest TE we've taken since Kizer and he's not even a nasty blocker. Fuck off with this doog shit. The only comparisons you can make are they're both white and around the same size in high school and have similar 3-star rankings as recruits. Natural comp my ass. You could say the same shit about most of the TE recruits in the country.
    I'm sure you've spent hours comparing Sample's junior tape to West's junior tape.

    One thing is certain, West is much closer to Drew Sample 2.0 than Trey Lowe is to Barry Sanders 2.0.
    No he's really not. Trey Lowe's high school film is better than Barry Sanders' high school film. Lowe was incredibly elusive.

    It's fucking hilarious how you idiots talk a big game about wanting elite talent and settling for JAGs in unacceptable but as soon as it actual happens and a likely JAG commits you transform into super doogs. He's not close to Drew Sample at all. He's closer to Kizer than Sample.
    Jesus, r u really going to compare Lowe to Sanders?
    New here? This is him like quadrupling down on that nonsense.