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2020 Class Prediction

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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    QB: Ethan garbers
    RB: Sam Adams
    RB: Jay'veon (I wouldn't be shocked if he's 2020's Nick Bolton tho)
    WR: McMillan
    WR: Bryant (this is my doog pick. Barring urbs being at usc prior to the signing period I think we win this battle)
    OL: Hatchett, RR, Gaard (brb, jo)

    DT: I have no clue. There's not much out there and we're loaded here.
    OLB: McDonald (yawn)
    OLB: we need to land someone surprising here. My doog pick would be banks.
    ILB: fuck Bob gregory
    DB: covington, hector, esteen
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  • guntlove
    guntlove Member Posts: 784
    CallMeBigErn said:

    guntlove said:

    Woof said:

    This was a fun thread to revisit last year, so I'll take the first shot at making myself look stupid.

    It feels like we're going to take a bit of a smallish class, given we only have 10 scholarship seniors left on the roster by my count. There are a few potential early entry candidates, but I don't think any underclassmen are a lock to leave. I know we freed up a few scholarships from turnover, but there are a couple walkons (Ulofoshio and Fowler) who could potentially earn scholarships this year. I'll assume for now we're targeting 19 spots for the class. Current commits are bolded, guesses are in italics.

    QB - Garbers
    RB - Sunday
    RB - Adams
    TE - Redman
    TE - Yurosek
    WR - Odunze
    WR - McMillan
    OL - Memmelaar
    OL - Rosengarten
    OL - Hatchett
    OL - Persi

    OLB - Smalls
    DL/OLB - Shipley
    DL/OLB - Lolohea
    LB - Racanelli
    DB - Esteen
    DB - Paster
    DB - Hector
    DB - Covington

    I know I'm dooging on Smalls and McMillan, but there are always a couple high profile guys that the staff closes late. It would be nice if they finally closed a 5 star for once. Those in the know, let me know how realistic this is.

    Bob Gregory is so fucking terrible at his job
    I think he's pretty damn good at coaching the LB position. Everything else, not so much, but at least he's good at that.

    Is he though?

    My comment about him being 'terrible at his job' was more an assessment of his recruiting work this year... But, special teams was atrocious last year. So that's two out of three parts of his job that he's really not very fucking good at.

    ILB coaching wise...

    It would be totally unfair to pin Azeem's implosion on Bob Gregory... there was obviously a lot of outside/personal shit at play there. But Gregory certainly wasn't able to slow down the implosion in any way.

    Bob deserves credit for BBK... that dude got better every year, and was a machine his last year. But Beirria regressed his senior year. Kyler Manu's been here four years, and he's just as much a worthless lump of shit as he was when he got here. Beavers played pretty well when healthy... and you can't blame the dude's injuries on Gregory. Wellington seems poised for a solid season but he's been here three years and we've gotten very little consistent production out of him to this point. Gregory might be an okay coach... but nothing I've seen out of our ILBs over five years makes me thing he's pretty damn good.

    Out of his three major responsibilities....

    ILB coaching: okay, not bad but not great either.
    Special teams: below average.
    Recruiting: a fucking disaster.
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  • guntlove
    guntlove Member Posts: 784
    HillsboroDuck said:

    My turn

    QB: Ethan Garbers
    RB: Jay'Veon Sunday, Sam Adams II
    OL: Gaard Memmelaar, Roger Rosengarten, Geirean Hatchett, Marcus Henderson III
    TE: Ben Yurosek, Mark Swayeman
    WR: Jalen McMillan, Rome Odunze

    OLB: Sawyer Racanelli, Sa'Vell Smalls
    ILB: Cooper McDonald
    DL: Jake Shipley
    DB: Jacobe Covington, Ayden Hector, Makell Esteen, Trey Paster

    Beer me while I WOOF!

    I want to believe on Smalls, Hillsyboat... I just can't. Don't think it happens. Will be so fucking happy to be wrong though.

    Last year's class had a bunch of dudes I'd consider true 'level-up' talents when they signed: Bandes, Tuitele, Fautanu, McDuffie, Latu, Nacau, Heimuli, and Turner.

    IMO, the only ones that fall into that category in the above 2020 class (discounting smalls) would be: McMillan, Adams, and maybe Rosengarten or Hatchett.

    This class, if it's what we end up signing, would be significant step back... and a really fucking disappointing effort on the defensive side.
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  • guntlove
    guntlove Member Posts: 784
    HillsboroDuck said:

    guntlove said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    My turn

    QB: Ethan Garbers
    RB: Jay'Veon Sunday, Sam Adams II
    OL: Gaard Memmelaar, Roger Rosengarten, Geirean Hatchett, Marcus Henderson III
    TE: Ben Yurosek, Mark Swayeman
    WR: Jalen McMillan, Rome Odunze

    OLB: Sawyer Racanelli, Sa'Vell Smalls
    ILB: Cooper McDonald
    DL: Jake Shipley
    DB: Jacobe Covington, Ayden Hector, Makell Esteen, Trey Paster

    Beer me while I WOOF!

    I want to believe on Smalls, Hillsyboat... I just can't. Don't think it happens. Will be so fucking happy to be wrong though.

    Last year's class had a bunch of dudes I'd consider true 'level-up' talents when they signed: Bandes, Tuitele, Fautanu, McDuffie, Latu, Nacau, Heimuli, and Turner.

    IMO, the only ones that fall into that category in the above 2020 class (discounting smalls) would be: McMillan, Adams, and maybe Rosengarten or Hatchett.

    This class, if it's what we end up signing, would be significant step back... and a really fucking disappointing effort on the defensive side.
    I’d put Redman in the leveling up category for sure and probably Covington but I agree overall it’s not inspiring.

    I’m pretty much in GSSNEM mode. Smalls saves the class, otherwise not exciting.
    *chinspiring.
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  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    Oh and Henderson would be leveling up. He’s the guy I’m least confident in on that list besides Smalls though.
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  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735
    edited June 2019
    It won't be a super exciting class but it won't be a disappointment either. We need to load up on offense with better talent so that's what I think they're gonna do. We've had classes dominated by defense recently so it's time to really focus on this pussy ass offense. You look at the offensive class they're lining up and you are looking at a lot of big, physical, tough dudes at every position. Big receivers, big running backs, big TE's. All of them are just big. This class will make our offense bad ass and equal to the talent we already have on defense. It's a meat and potatoes class. Won't be flashy. But will easily be the best class in the Pac-12 in a down year for talent.
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  • backthepack
    backthepack Member Posts: 19,937
    We are still recruiting Johnny Wilson he’s gunna visit this summer hth. I think we get him.
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  • dirtysouwfdawg
    dirtysouwfdawg Member Posts: 14,084
    guntlove said:

    StrongArmCobra said:

    It won't be a super exciting class but it won't be a disappointment either. We need to load up on offense with better talent so that's what I think they're gonna do. We've had classes dominated by defense recently so it's time to really focus on this pussy ass offense. You look at the offensive class they're lining up and you are looking at a lot of big, physical, tough dudes at every position. Big receivers, big running backs, big TE's. All of them are just big. This class will make our offense bad ass and equal to the talent we already have on defense. It's a meat and potatoes class. Won't be flashy. But will easily be the best class in the Pac-12 in a down year for talent.

    I hear what you're saying... and I agree (if we actually get Adams/McMillan/Rosengarden/Hatchet) that it would be a pretty solid offensive class. But there's no good reason why our defensive recruiting should have to fall off in order to sign a solid offensive class. It's not just low on numbers defensively (which would be okay), it's way low on fucking talent in a lot of areas. LIPO, I guess.
    bananasnblondes said:

    backthepack said:

    We are still recruiting Johnny Wilson he’s gunna visit this summer hth. I think we get him.

    We are fucking Oregon's wife with the Roger Rosengarten thing. Getting Wilson would be like making them watch and jerk off
    Pretty sure her name is Jessica.
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  • AtomicDawg
    AtomicDawg Member Posts: 7,327
    bananasnblondes said:

    One thing to remember. At this time last year, the following guys were in the "no chance" or "not on radar" zone:

    Josh Calvert
    Troy Fautanu
    Tuitele (all Bama or SC)
    McDuffie (all Stanford)
    Liatu Latu (SC)
    Puka (this is around when he committed to SC)

    Other guys we ended up getting were considered leans elsewhere

    There will be plenty of guys on our final commit list that we figure are headed elsewhere or we haven't really considered yet.

    Are you saying it's not over until they sign?
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  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    bananasnblondes said:

    One thing to remember. At this time last year, the following guys were in the "no chance" or "not on radar" zone:

    Josh Calvert
    Troy Fautanu
    Tuitele (all Bama or SC)
    McDuffie (all Stanford)
    Liatu Latu (SC)
    Puka (this is around when he committed to SC)

    Other guys we ended up getting were considered leans elsewhere

    There will be plenty of guys on our final commit list that we figure are headed elsewhere or we haven't really considered yet.

    This is a good point.

    The problem isn't that the kids we are going to be adding to the list are underwhelming. The problem is that there are too many we have already taken who are underwhelming. It's a numbers game.
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  • dirtysouwfdawg
    dirtysouwfdawg Member Posts: 14,084
    HillsboroDuck said:

    bananasnblondes said:

    One thing to remember. At this time last year, the following guys were in the "no chance" or "not on radar" zone:

    Josh Calvert
    Troy Fautanu
    Tuitele (all Bama or SC)
    McDuffie (all Stanford)
    Liatu Latu (SC)
    Puka (this is around when he committed to SC)

    Other guys we ended up getting were considered leans elsewhere

    There will be plenty of guys on our final commit list that we figure are headed elsewhere or we haven't really considered yet.

    This is a good point.

    The problem isn't that the kids we are going to be adding to the list are underwhelming. The problem is that there are too many we have already taken who are underwhelming. It's a numbers game.
    And the overwhelming have already eliminated us.
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  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    dirtysouwfdawg said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    bananasnblondes said:

    One thing to remember. At this time last year, the following guys were in the "no chance" or "not on radar" zone:

    Josh Calvert
    Troy Fautanu
    Tuitele (all Bama or SC)
    McDuffie (all Stanford)
    Liatu Latu (SC)
    Puka (this is around when he committed to SC)

    Other guys we ended up getting were considered leans elsewhere

    There will be plenty of guys on our final commit list that we figure are headed elsewhere or we haven't really considered yet.

    This is a good point.

    The problem isn't that the kids we are going to be adding to the list are underwhelming. The problem is that there are too many we have already taken who are underwhelming. It's a numbers game.
    And the overwhelming have already eliminated us.
    Bananas point is that we can get back in on some of them, which is correct.

    We just can't take enough of them.
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  • dirtysouwfdawg
    dirtysouwfdawg Member Posts: 14,084
    HillsboroDuck said:

    dirtysouwfdawg said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    bananasnblondes said:

    One thing to remember. At this time last year, the following guys were in the "no chance" or "not on radar" zone:

    Josh Calvert
    Troy Fautanu
    Tuitele (all Bama or SC)
    McDuffie (all Stanford)
    Liatu Latu (SC)
    Puka (this is around when he committed to SC)

    Other guys we ended up getting were considered leans elsewhere

    There will be plenty of guys on our final commit list that we figure are headed elsewhere or we haven't really considered yet.

    This is a good point.

    The problem isn't that the kids we are going to be adding to the list are underwhelming. The problem is that there are too many we have already taken who are underwhelming. It's a numbers game.
    And the overwhelming have already eliminated us.
    Bananas point is that we can get back in on some of them, which is correct.

    We just can't take enough of them.
    If that’s the case then the predictions everyone’s made aren’t doogin enough. At a min we need Smalls to be one. Who else? Bothello, Banks, Navarette, Ransom, Sellers? I just don’t see it; as the kids say it just feels “different” this year. Not in a good way.

    RR, Adams, Hatchett, McMillan, Murano, are high level croots.

    I guess it could be like petermans first class that turned out more than a few NFL players but wasn’t highly rated originally.

    Doog trust the coaches comment of the night. I hate myself already for saying it.
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  • Beno4Life
    Beno4Life Member Posts: 533
    I’m buying pretty much everyone is saying, especially Ballz (!!!), but I think the improvement from an underwhelming 2020 recruiting performance thus far really lies in an 11-win season w/ a NY6 win, not just appearance.

    Nothing original, I know, as I don’t see Ringo, Botelho, Ransom, Phillips, or Herbig changing their minds. But maybe Banks, Sellers, and, well fuck it, Savvy.

    Just think: What if Pete and the Dawgs beat Ohio State or Georgia in a NY6 game? That would get the elite’s attention. Dreamy, I know.
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  • AtomicDawg
    AtomicDawg Member Posts: 7,327
    Beno4Life said:

    I’m buying pretty much everyone is saying, especially Ballz (!!!), but I think the improvement from an underwhelming 2020 recruiting performance thus far really lies in an 11-win season w/ a NY6 win, not just appearance.

    Nothing original, I know, as I don’t see Ringo, Botelho, Ransom, Phillips, or Herbig changing their minds. But maybe Banks, Sellers, and, well fuck it, Savvy.

    Just think: What if Pete and the Dawgs beat Ohio State or Georgia in a NY6 game? That would get the elite’s attention. Dreamy, I know.

    Not happening.
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  • FremontTroll
    FremontTroll Member Posts: 4,744
    StrongArmCobra said:

    guntlove said:

    StrongArmCobra said:

    It won't be a super exciting class but it won't be a disappointment either. We need to load up on offense with better talent so that's what I think they're gonna do. We've had classes dominated by defense recently so it's time to really focus on this pussy ass offense. You look at the offensive class they're lining up and you are looking at a lot of big, physical, tough dudes at every position. Big receivers, big running backs, big TE's. All of them are just big. This class will make our offense bad ass and equal to the talent we already have on defense. It's a meat and potatoes class. Won't be flashy. But will easily be the best class in the Pac-12 in a down year for talent.

    I hear what you're saying... and I agree (if we actually get Adams/McMillan/Rosengarden/Hatchet) that it would be a pretty solid offensive class. But there's no good reason why our defensive recruiting should have to fall off in order to sign a solid offensive class. It's not just low on numbers defensively (which would be okay), it's way low on fucking talent in a lot of areas. LIPO, I guess.
    It is mostly because we are low on scholarships available for the defense. We have loaded up on defense the past two classes so now we don't have a lot of room on that side of the ball. You also have to recognize that the 2020 class sucks. There's just not a lot of elite talent to go around compared to previous classes.

    This DB class will be elite as usual.

    DL was always going to be just one guy because of the big haul they took last class. Shipley is an animal. When I watch a D-line recruit's high school highlights I want to see a guy who enjoys physically dominating other human beings, plays with relentless effort, and does it consistently. I see that from Shipley. His size and movement ability is similar to Drake Jackson at the same age. There are quite a few plays in Shipley's film in which he surprises you with how quick he is off the ball. The more I watch his film the more I like him. He could be a big steal for us.

    ILB will be nonexistent. Just pretend Tuputala, Ah You, and Fowler are the 2021 ILB class because that's essentially what they are. They will redshirt and get bumped back a class while Calvert and Heimuli play right away.

    The biggest disappointment right now is no doubt OLB. Smalls is now a long shot after whatever drama went on between him and UW behind the scenes that caused him to supposedly eliminate us in the Spring. Bama and Ohio State are not taking Jordan Banks, but Oklahoma will. He's not coming here. It also blows my mind that Damian Sellers isn't interested in UW at all. That's how bad Kwat sucks at recruiting. I think our best chance to get a legit level up talent at OLB in this class is to flip Jaden Navarrette from Oregon and I think that's a legit possibility with how good UW's defense is gonna be this season. I won't be surprised to hear he's taking an official visit to UW at some point.
    With fewer spots on defense to fill it should be easier to zero in on top talent and be selective.
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