QB: Ethan Garbers RB: Jay'Veon Sunday RB: Sam Adams OL: Gaard Memmelaar OL: Roger Rosengarten OL: Geirean Hatchett OL: Jeffrey Persi OL: Jernias Tafia TE: Mark Redman TE: Ben Yurosek TE: Kole Taylor WR: Sawyer Racanelli WR: Jalen McMillan WR: Rome Odunze
BUCK: Jaden Navarrette SAM: Cooper McDonald BUCK or DL: Jordan Lolohea DL: Jake Shipley DB: Ayden Hector DB: Trey Paster DB: Jacobe Covington DB: Makell Esteen
I'm surprised you didn't doog harder than this. Most if not all of these guys are pretty reasonable.
It would make for a solid, but not spectacular class. OL would be killer though, and so would DBs. Really solid on RB and very good on WR. Killer on TE. Totally underwhelming on the entire D that isn't the back end. This would also be the first class I can recall where the O was better than the D.
QB: Ethan Garbers RB: Jay'Veon Sunday, Sam Adams II OL: Gaard Memmelaar, Roger Rosengarten, Geirean Hatchett, Marcus Henderson III TE: Ben Yurosek, Mark Swayeman WR: Jalen McMillan, Rome Odunze
QB: Ethan Garbers RB: Jay'Veon Sunday RB: Sam Adams OL: Gaard Memmelaar OL: Roger Rosengarten OL: Geirean Hatchett OL: Jeffrey Persi OL: Jernias Tafia TE: Mark Redman TE: Ben Yurosek TE: Kole Taylor WR: Sawyer Racanelli WR: Jalen McMillan WR: Rome Odunze
BUCK: Jaden Navarrette SAM: Cooper McDonald BUCK or DL: Jordan Lolohea DL: Jake Shipley DB: Ayden Hector DB: Trey Paster DB: Jacobe Covington DB: Makell Esteen
You really think we take 22 and 5 OL?
Yep. I think 21 or 22 is where this class ends up. I think the 2021 O-line talent is very weak. I see we still only have one 2021 O-line offer out after the Spring evaluation period. I think the O-line talent available to them in this class is better than in the 2021 class so I think they need to load up. The good thing about that potential O-line class is there wouldn't be any position overlap. You got two tackles in Rosengarten and Persi, two guards in Hatchett and Memmelaar, and a center in Tafia. That O-line class would fit in very nicely.
QB: Ethan Garbers RB: Jay'Veon Sunday, Sam Adams II OL: Gaard Memmelaar, Roger Rosengarten, Geirean Hatchett, Marcus Henderson III TE: Ben Yurosek, Mark Swayeman WR: Jalen McMillan, Rome Odunze
Now this class gives me serious doog wood. Moving Sawyer to OLB, where I like him MUCH better, and getting Odunze, plus adding Henderson III (love him), and Smalls(!!!) would take this class from solid to FUCK YEAH!
This was a fun thread to revisit last year, so I'll take the first shot at making myself look stupid.
It feels like we're going to take a bit of a smallish class, given we only have 10 scholarship seniors left on the roster by my count. There are a few potential early entry candidates, but I don't think any underclassmen are a lock to leave. I know we freed up a few scholarships from turnover, but there are a couple walkons (Ulofoshio and Fowler) who could potentially earn scholarships this year. I'll assume for now we're targeting 19 spots for the class. Current commits are bolded, guesses are in italics.
QB - Garbers RB - Sunday RB - Adams TE - Redman TE - Yurosek WR - Odunze WR - McMillan OL - Memmelaar OL - Rosengarten OL - Hatchett OL - Persi
OLB - Smalls DL/OLB - Shipley DL/OLB - Lolohea LB - Racanelli DB - Esteen DB - Paster DB - Hector DB - Covington
I know I'm dooging on Smalls and McMillan, but there are always a couple high profile guys that the staff closes late. It would be nice if they finally closed a 5 star for once. Those in the know, let me know how realistic this is.
That is actually an above average sized senior class. I will actually agree with SAC and say we take at least 22.
Out of a roster of 85 kids you have to expect 5+ unexpected departures due to injury, homesickness, etc. If you are trying to count only kids that are likely to leave early then you will always end up too low this far out because you miss out on the small probabilities that add up.
This was a fun thread to revisit last year, so I'll take the first shot at making myself look stupid.
It feels like we're going to take a bit of a smallish class, given we only have 10 scholarship seniors left on the roster by my count. There are a few potential early entry candidates, but I don't think any underclassmen are a lock to leave. I know we freed up a few scholarships from turnover, but there are a couple walkons (Ulofoshio and Fowler) who could potentially earn scholarships this year. I'll assume for now we're targeting 19 spots for the class. Current commits are bolded, guesses are in italics.
QB - Garbers RB - Sunday RB - Adams TE - Redman TE - Yurosek WR - Odunze WR - McMillan OL - Memmelaar OL - Rosengarten OL - Hatchett OL - Persi
OLB - Smalls DL/OLB - Shipley DL/OLB - Lolohea LB - Racanelli DB - Esteen DB - Paster DB - Hector DB - Covington
I know I'm dooging on Smalls and McMillan, but there are always a couple high profile guys that the staff closes late. It would be nice if they finally closed a 5 star for once. Those in the know, let me know how realistic this is.
That is actually an above average sized senior class. I will actually agree with SAC and say we take at least 22.
Out of a roster of 85 kids you have to expect 5+ unexpected departures due to injury, homesickness, etc. If you are trying to count only kids that are likely to leave early then you will always end up too low this far out because you miss out on the small probabilities that add up.
Lol we don't lose kids to homesickness! Our biggest problem is the guys who suck and don't play never want to leave!
QB: Ethan Garbers RB: Jay'Veon Sunday, Sam Adams II OL: Gaard Memmelaar, Roger Rosengarten, Geirean Hatchett, Marcus Henderson III TE: Ben Yurosek, Mark Swayeman WR: Jalen McMillan, Rome Odunze
@FremontTroll's math has me as hard as Swaye at a coed nudist tattoo parlor.
Hence, I'll be adding two more:
QB: Ethan Garbers RB: Jay'Veon Sunday, Sam Adams II OL: Gaard Memmelaar, Roger Rosengarten, Geirean Hatchett, Marcus Henderson III TE: Ben Yurosek, Mark Swayeman WR: Jalen McMillan, Rome Odunze, LV Bunkley Shelton
QB: Ethan garbers RB: Sam Adams RB: Jay'veon (I wouldn't be shocked if he's 2020's Nick Bolton tho) WR: McMillan WR: Bryant (this is my doog pick. Barring urbs being at usc prior to the signing period I think we win this battle) OL: Hatchett, RR, Gaard (brb, jo)
DT: I have no clue. There's not much out there and we're loaded here. OLB: McDonald (yawn) OLB: we need to land someone surprising here. My doog pick would be banks. ILB: fuck Bob gregory DB: covington, hector, esteen
This was a fun thread to revisit last year, so I'll take the first shot at making myself look stupid.
It feels like we're going to take a bit of a smallish class, given we only have 10 scholarship seniors left on the roster by my count. There are a few potential early entry candidates, but I don't think any underclassmen are a lock to leave. I know we freed up a few scholarships from turnover, but there are a couple walkons (Ulofoshio and Fowler) who could potentially earn scholarships this year. I'll assume for now we're targeting 19 spots for the class. Current commits are bolded, guesses are in italics.
QB - Garbers RB - Sunday RB - Adams TE - Redman TE - Yurosek WR - Odunze WR - McMillan OL - Memmelaar OL - Rosengarten OL - Hatchett OL - Persi
OLB - Smalls DL/OLB - Shipley DL/OLB - Lolohea LB - Racanelli DB - Esteen DB - Paster DB - Hector DB - Covington
I know I'm dooging on Smalls and McMillan, but there are always a couple high profile guys that the staff closes late. It would be nice if they finally closed a 5 star for once. Those in the know, let me know how realistic this is.
Bob Gregory is so fucking terrible at his job
I think he's pretty damn good at coaching the LB position. Everything else, not so much, but at least he's good at that.
Is he though?
My comment about him being 'terrible at his job' was more an assessment of his recruiting work this year... But, special teams was atrocious last year. So that's two out of three parts of his job that he's really not very fucking good at.
ILB coaching wise...
It would be totally unfair to pin Azeem's implosion on Bob Gregory... there was obviously a lot of outside/personal shit at play there. But Gregory certainly wasn't able to slow down the implosion in any way.
Bob deserves credit for BBK... that dude got better every year, and was a machine his last year. But Beirria regressed his senior year. Kyler Manu's been here four years, and he's just as much a worthless lump of shit as he was when he got here. Beavers played pretty well when healthy... and you can't blame the dude's injuries on Gregory. Wellington seems poised for a solid season but he's been here three years and we've gotten very little consistent production out of him to this point. Gregory might be an okay coach... but nothing I've seen out of our ILBs over five years makes me thing he's pretty damn good.
Out of his three major responsibilities....
ILB coaching: okay, not bad but not great either. Special teams: below average. Recruiting: a fucking disaster.
QB: Ethan Garbers RB: Jay'Veon Sunday, Sam Adams II OL: Gaard Memmelaar, Roger Rosengarten, Geirean Hatchett, Marcus Henderson III TE: Ben Yurosek, Mark Swayeman WR: Jalen McMillan, Rome Odunze
I want to believe on Smalls, Hillsyboat... I just can't. Don't think it happens. Will be so fucking happy to be wrong though.
Last year's class had a bunch of dudes I'd consider true 'level-up' talents when they signed: Bandes, Tuitele, Fautanu, McDuffie, Latu, Nacau, Heimuli, and Turner.
IMO, the only ones that fall into that category in the above 2020 class (discounting smalls) would be: McMillan, Adams, and maybe Rosengarten or Hatchett.
This class, if it's what we end up signing, would be significant step back... and a really fucking disappointing effort on the defensive side.
QB: Ethan Garbers RB: Jay'Veon Sunday, Sam Adams II OL: Gaard Memmelaar, Roger Rosengarten, Geirean Hatchett, Marcus Henderson III TE: Ben Yurosek, Mark Swayeman WR: Jalen McMillan, Rome Odunze
I want to believe on Smalls, Hillsyboat... I just can't. Don't think it happens. Will be so fucking happy to be wrong though.
Last year's class had a bunch of dudes I'd consider true 'level-up' talents when they signed: Bandes, Tuitele, Fautanu, McDuffie, Latu, Nacau, Heimuli, and Turner.
IMO, the only ones that fall into that category in the above 2020 class (discounting smalls) would be: McMillan, Adams, and maybe Rosengarten or Hatchett.
This class, if it's what we end up signing, would be significant step back... and a really fucking disappointing effort on the defensive side.
I’d put Redman in the leveling up category for sure and probably Covington but I agree overall it’s not inspiring.
I’m pretty much in GSSNEM mode. Smalls saves the class, otherwise not exciting.
QB: Ethan Garbers RB: Jay'Veon Sunday, Sam Adams II OL: Gaard Memmelaar, Roger Rosengarten, Geirean Hatchett, Marcus Henderson III TE: Ben Yurosek, Mark Swayeman WR: Jalen McMillan, Rome Odunze
I want to believe on Smalls, Hillsyboat... I just can't. Don't think it happens. Will be so fucking happy to be wrong though.
Last year's class had a bunch of dudes I'd consider true 'level-up' talents when they signed: Bandes, Tuitele, Fautanu, McDuffie, Latu, Nacau, Heimuli, and Turner.
IMO, the only ones that fall into that category in the above 2020 class (discounting smalls) would be: McMillan, Adams, and maybe Rosengarten or Hatchett.
This class, if it's what we end up signing, would be significant step back... and a really fucking disappointing effort on the defensive side.
I’d put Redman in the leveling up category for sure and probably Covington but I agree overall it’s not inspiring.
I’m pretty much in GSSNEM mode. Smalls saves the class, otherwise not exciting.
It won't be a super exciting class but it won't be a disappointment either. We need to load up on offense with better talent so that's what I think they're gonna do. We've had classes dominated by defense recently so it's time to really focus on this pussy ass offense. You look at the offensive class they're lining up and you are looking at a lot of big, physical, tough dudes at every position. Big receivers, big running backs, big TE's. All of them are just big. This class will make our offense bad ass and equal to the talent we already have on defense. It's a meat and potatoes class. Won't be flashy. But will easily be the best class in the Pac-12 in a down year for talent.
It won't be a super exciting class but it won't be a disappointment either. We need to load up on offense with better talent so that's what I think they're gonna do. We've had classes dominated by defense recently so it's time to really focus on this pussy ass offense. You look at the offensive class they're lining up and you are looking at a lot of big, physical, tough dudes at every position. Big receivers, big running backs, big TE's. All of them are just big. This class will make our offense bad ass and equal to the talent we already have on defense. It's a meat and potatoes class. Won't be flashy. But will easily be the best class in the Pac-12 in a down year for talent.
I hear what you're saying... and I agree (if we actually get Adams/McMillan/Rosengarden/Hatchet) that it would be a pretty solid offensive class. But there's no good reason why our defensive recruiting should have to fall off in order to sign a solid offensive class. It's not just low on numbers defensively (which would be okay), it's way low on fucking talent in a lot of areas. LIPO, I guess.
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QB: Ethan Garbers
RB: Jay'Veon Sunday
RB: Sam Adams
OL: Gaard Memmelaar
OL: Roger Rosengarten
OL: Geirean Hatchett
OL: Jeffrey Persi
OL: Jernias Tafia
TE: Mark Redman
TE: Ben Yurosek
TE: Kole Taylor
WR: Sawyer Racanelli
WR: Jalen McMillan
WR: Rome Odunze
BUCK: Jaden Navarrette
SAM: Cooper McDonald
BUCK or DL: Jordan Lolohea
DL: Jake Shipley
DB: Ayden Hector
DB: Trey Paster
DB: Jacobe Covington
DB: Makell Esteen
QB: Ethan Garbers
RB: Jay'Veon Sunday, Sam Adams II
OL: Gaard Memmelaar, Roger Rosengarten, Geirean Hatchett, Marcus Henderson III
TE: Ben Yurosek, Mark Swayeman
WR: Jalen McMillan, Rome Odunze
OLB: Sawyer Racanelli, Sa'Vell Smalls
ILB: Cooper McDonald
DL: Jake Shipley
DB: Jacobe Covington, Ayden Hector, Makell Esteen, Trey Paster
Beer me while I WOOF!
That is actually an above average sized senior class. I will actually agree with SAC and say we take at least 22.
Out of a roster of 85 kids you have to expect 5+ unexpected departures due to injury, homesickness, etc. If you are trying to count only kids that are likely to leave early then you will always end up too low this far out because you miss out on the small probabilities that add up.
Hence, I'll be adding two more:
QB: Ethan Garbers
RB: Jay'Veon Sunday, Sam Adams II
OL: Gaard Memmelaar, Roger Rosengarten, Geirean Hatchett, Marcus Henderson III
TE: Ben Yurosek, Mark Swayeman
WR: Jalen McMillan, Rome Odunze, LV Bunkley Shelton
OLB: Sawyer Racanelli, Sa'Vell Smalls, Peter Latu
ILB: Cooper McDonald
DL: Jake Shipley
DB: Jacobe Covington, Ayden Hector, Makell Esteen, Trey Paster
RB: Sam Adams
RB: Jay'veon (I wouldn't be shocked if he's 2020's Nick Bolton tho)
WR: McMillan
WR: Bryant (this is my doog pick. Barring urbs being at usc prior to the signing period I think we win this battle)
OL: Hatchett, RR, Gaard (brb, jo)
DT: I have no clue. There's not much out there and we're loaded here.
OLB: McDonald (yawn)
OLB: we need to land someone surprising here. My doog pick would be banks.
ILB: fuck Bob gregory
DB: covington, hector, esteen
My comment about him being 'terrible at his job' was more an assessment of his recruiting work this year... But, special teams was atrocious last year. So that's two out of three parts of his job that he's really not very fucking good at.
ILB coaching wise...
It would be totally unfair to pin Azeem's implosion on Bob Gregory... there was obviously a lot of outside/personal shit at play there. But Gregory certainly wasn't able to slow down the implosion in any way.
Bob deserves credit for BBK... that dude got better every year, and was a machine his last year. But Beirria regressed his senior year. Kyler Manu's been here four years, and he's just as much a worthless lump of shit as he was when he got here. Beavers played pretty well when healthy... and you can't blame the dude's injuries on Gregory. Wellington seems poised for a solid season but he's been here three years and we've gotten very little consistent production out of him to this point. Gregory might be an okay coach... but nothing I've seen out of our ILBs over five years makes me thing he's pretty damn good.
Out of his three major responsibilities....
ILB coaching: okay, not bad but not great either.
Special teams: below average.
Recruiting: a fucking disaster.
Last year's class had a bunch of dudes I'd consider true 'level-up' talents when they signed: Bandes, Tuitele, Fautanu, McDuffie, Latu, Nacau, Heimuli, and Turner.
IMO, the only ones that fall into that category in the above 2020 class (discounting smalls) would be: McMillan, Adams, and maybe Rosengarten or Hatchett.
This class, if it's what we end up signing, would be significant step back... and a really fucking disappointing effort on the defensive side.
I’m pretty much in GSSNEM mode. Smalls saves the class, otherwise not exciting.