- Amazes me they fired Leavitt but kept Arroyo. Yikes. Forfeiting an entire season and Herbert’s career until that’s fixed. Surprised the more critical Duck fans aren’t more concerned. Maybe he’ll be better I guess? That’s the plan? - Oregon had objectively the easiest schedule since at least the formation of the P 12 last year. They also got to play Washington after a bye week, while Washington was coming off a road game. Wilner has written extensively on the P12 suiciding itself like that, accounts for > 50% of top team losses since 2012. - There is plenty of data on Cristobal as a head coach with middling to comparable talent related to his conference foes. Why are so many in the LIPO camp here? He is not an unknown entity here. The Jim Mora comparison is a good one until he proves he can break through. Meathead recruiter who can jack his team up for home games but hasn’t won anything of consequence. - I’d be very curious what effect Urban or anyone else at USC would have on Oregon recruiting going forward. Similar fast strategy kids for the most part.
All the Husky angst about Oregon makes me feel like I’m missing something. Oh they are recruiting well? ok
You should know why Leavitt was fired. He figured he was on his way to a HC job and was not recruiting. Avalos is considered an excellent coach and was a big pick up for Oregon.
I agree that the schedule was easy last year. Oregon could go 9-3 and be miles better. In fact, I see that as a likely scenario.
Jury is out on Cristobal’s pedigree as a HC. He can recruit. He runs a tight ship. The team is much more disciplined. Is he out scheming teams? I don’t think he will ever be an X’s and O’s genius and I believe he wants to overpower teams anyway. Arroyo is supposed to be that guy. I have reservations.
Jim Mora is another poor example as well as Sark. Cristobal’s roster management is superb and discipline is excellent. Mora left huge holes in the roster and his teams played out of control.
Yeah sure, just wait until guys start transferring out of the program that you as a fan don't want transferring out. His roster management is retarded. He over recruits and lies to kids about early playing time. That leads to attrition and transfers which then leads to a lack of depth or experience or both. Just give it another year or two. The attrition is coming and not just from kids getting "processed".
Oregon won't be overpowering anybody. Fat ass lineman that aren't athletic and can't move their feet get your ass beat. Everybody wants big lineman. But they have to first and foremost be athletic which most of Cristobal's O-line recruits are not. Don't forget he was demoted as an assistant at Alabama from O-line coach to Tackles and TE's coach. Saban liked his recruiting with the Alabama brand behind him but didn't like his coaching acumen as much.
- Amazes me they fired Leavitt but kept Arroyo. Yikes. Forfeiting an entire season and Herbert’s career until that’s fixed. Surprised the more critical Duck fans aren’t more concerned. Maybe he’ll be better I guess? That’s the plan? - Oregon had objectively the easiest schedule since at least the formation of the P 12 last year. They also got to play Washington after a bye week, while Washington was coming off a road game. Wilner has written extensively on the P12 suiciding itself like that, accounts for > 50% of top team losses since 2012. - There is plenty of data on Cristobal as a head coach with middling to comparable talent related to his conference foes. Why are so many in the LIPO camp here? He is not an unknown entity here. The Jim Mora comparison is a good one until he proves he can break through. Meathead recruiter who can jack his team up for home games but hasn’t won anything of consequence. - I’d be very curious what effect Urban or anyone else at USC would have on Oregon recruiting going forward. Similar fast strategy kids for the most part.
All the Husky angst about Oregon makes me feel like I’m missing something. Oh they are recruiting well? ok
You should know why Leavitt was fired. He figured he was on his way to a HC job and was not recruiting. Avalos is considered an excellent coach and was a big pick up for Oregon.
I agree that the schedule was easy last year. Oregon could go 9-3 and be miles better. In fact, I see that as a likely scenario.
Jury is out on Cristobal’s pedigree as a HC. He can recruit. He runs a tight ship. The team is much more disciplined. Is he out scheming teams? I don’t think he will ever be an X’s and O’s genius and I believe he wants to overpower teams anyway. Arroyo is supposed to be that guy. I have reservations.
Jim Mora is another poor example as well as Sark. Cristobal’s roster management is superb and discipline is excellent. Mora left huge holes in the roster and his teams played out of control.
Yeah sure, just wait until guys start transferring out of the program that you as a fan don't want transferring out. His roster management is retarded. He over recruits and lies to kids about early playing time. That leads to attrition and transfers which then leads to a lack of depth or experience or both. Just give it another year or two. The attrition is coming and not just from kids getting "processed".
Oregon won't be overpowering anybody. Fat ass lineman that aren't athletic and can't move their feet get your ass beat. Everybody wants big lineman. But they have to first and foremost be athletic which most of Cristobal's O-line recruits are not. Don't forget he was demoted as an assistant at Alabama from O-line coach to Tackles and TE's coach. Saban liked his recruiting but didn't like his coaching acumen.
I have heard recruits in interviews say that playing time is not being guaranteed and the staff is recruiting to replace them with someone better. Justin at scoopduck gets recruits to talk on his podcast all the time. You’re listening to garbage.
- Amazes me they fired Leavitt but kept Arroyo. Yikes. Forfeiting an entire season and Herbert’s career until that’s fixed. Surprised the more critical Duck fans aren’t more concerned. Maybe he’ll be better I guess? That’s the plan? - Oregon had objectively the easiest schedule since at least the formation of the P 12 last year. They also got to play Washington after a bye week, while Washington was coming off a road game. Wilner has written extensively on the P12 suiciding itself like that, accounts for > 50% of top team losses since 2012. - There is plenty of data on Cristobal as a head coach with middling to comparable talent related to his conference foes. Why are so many in the LIPO camp here? He is not an unknown entity here. The Jim Mora comparison is a good one until he proves he can break through. Meathead recruiter who can jack his team up for home games but hasn’t won anything of consequence. - I’d be very curious what effect Urban or anyone else at USC would have on Oregon recruiting going forward. Similar fast strategy kids for the most part.
All the Husky angst about Oregon makes me feel like I’m missing something. Oh they are recruiting well? ok
You should know why Leavitt was fired. He figured he was on his way to a HC job and was not recruiting. Avalos is considered an excellent coach and was a big pick up for Oregon.
I agree that the schedule was easy last year. Oregon could go 9-3 and be miles better. In fact, I see that as a likely scenario.
Jury is out on Cristobal’s pedigree as a HC. He can recruit. He runs a tight ship. The team is much more disciplined. Is he out scheming teams? I don’t think he will ever be an X’s and O’s genius and I believe he wants to overpower teams anyway. Arroyo is supposed to be that guy. I have reservations.
Jim Mora is another poor example as well as Sark. Cristobal’s roster management is superb and discipline is excellent. Mora left huge holes in the roster and his teams played out of control.
Yeah sure, just wait until guys start transferring out of the program that you as a fan don't want transferring out. His roster management is retarded. He over recruits and lies to kids about early playing time. That leads to attrition and transfers which then leads to a lack of depth or experience or both. Just give it another year or two. The attrition is coming and not just from kids getting "processed".
Oregon won't be overpowering anybody. Fat ass lineman that aren't athletic and can't move their feet get your ass beat. Everybody wants big lineman. But they have to first and foremost be athletic which most of Cristobal's O-line recruits are not. Don't forget he was demoted as an assistant at Alabama from O-line coach to Tackles and TE's coach. Saban liked his recruiting but didn't like his coaching acumen.
I have heard recruits in interviews say that playing time is not being guaranteed and the staff is recruiting to replace them with someone better. Justin at scoopduck gets recruits to talk on his podcast all the time. You’re listening to garbage.
That's bullshit. "Early paying time" has been the big sell for Oregon the past three years and still is. I've read it in interview after interview. They'll continue to sell that as they continue to have mediocre 6-8 win seasons. The rest of their bullshit pitch is fake hype talking about winning national championships at Oregon before they have even won a conference title. Recruits won't buy that shit much longer if they don't prove it on the field which they won't.
Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
So many fucking ifs. We are not Stanford, we have already surpassed anything they have done recently.
How many times has Pete compared this program to Boise State? If that isn’t trying to be small world successful instead of a Clemson, USC, Miami, Bama like dynasty, not sure what to tell ya.
If Petersen wanted this to be BSU he would have stayed in Boise. Hth
Please, tell me again, how well did his time end at Boise State? Did they build upon the talent that Hawkins & Kellen Moore built or did they max out trying to under recruit and outsmart Nevada, Fresno State, and Air Force.
Fucking Lol. The talent Hawkins built? I can't tell if youre trolling or not. Hawkins had nothing to do with Petersen's multiple undefeated seasons and COY awards. His last two BSU teams werent his best, but that has shit to do with wanting to compete with the big boys on the biggest stage. He got to the fucking playoff in year 3.
Chris Petersen won his first COY award in his first year after Hawkins left..... but why actually do research you have revisionist history.
Oh got it, so Hawkins was going to do the same thing, right? Hawkins also would have gone undefeated 4 years later for his second COY award.
How about we look and see what Pete did at a P5 school versus how Hawkins did.
Are we fucking done here?
Building and acquiring talent are different from coaching. Pete is the best coach and talent developer in the country. Period.
I’m not saying Dan Hawkins is the fucking man, I’m saying Pete thinks he’s such a good coach he can make up for meh recruiting and we already saw how that played out. Pete’s first year with Hawkins players he goes undefeated and beats Adrian Peterson and OU. From then on he should’ve been able to build and recruit a team so talented it never lost to a WAC-MWC team again. The last year of Hawkins influences recruits was 2009 where Boise State went undefeated. After that he lost to a MWC opponent every year including two losses in 2013 that also saw Boise State get blown out by a coaching retard named Sark.
How come it’s so easy for us to assume Oregon is going to get these top Cali guys (Steele, Addison, Thibodeaux, Navarette, Mykael Wright, Pittman) but our first instinct as UDUB fans is to say “we have no shot”? There’s a fucking reason for that.
- Amazes me they fired Leavitt but kept Arroyo. Yikes. Forfeiting an entire season and Herbert’s career until that’s fixed. Surprised the more critical Duck fans aren’t more concerned. Maybe he’ll be better I guess? That’s the plan? - Oregon had objectively the easiest schedule since at least the formation of the P 12 last year. They also got to play Washington after a bye week, while Washington was coming off a road game. Wilner has written extensively on the P12 suiciding itself like that, accounts for > 50% of top team losses since 2012. - There is plenty of data on Cristobal as a head coach with middling to comparable talent related to his conference foes. Why are so many in the LIPO camp here? He is not an unknown entity here. The Jim Mora comparison is a good one until he proves he can break through. Meathead recruiter who can jack his team up for home games but hasn’t won anything of consequence. - I’d be very curious what effect Urban or anyone else at USC would have on Oregon recruiting going forward. Similar fast strategy kids for the most part.
All the Husky angst about Oregon makes me feel like I’m missing something. Oh they are recruiting well? ok
You should know why Leavitt was fired. He figured he was on his way to a HC job and was not recruiting. Avalos is considered an excellent coach and was a big pick up for Oregon.
I agree that the schedule was easy last year. Oregon could go 9-3 and be miles better. In fact, I see that as a likely scenario.
Jury is out on Cristobal’s pedigree as a HC. He can recruit. He runs a tight ship. The team is much more disciplined. Is he out scheming teams? I don’t think he will ever be an X’s and O’s genius and I believe he wants to overpower teams anyway. Arroyo is supposed to be that guy. I have reservations.
Jim Mora is another poor example as well as Sark. Cristobal’s roster management is superb and discipline is excellent. Mora left huge holes in the roster and his teams played out of control.
Yeah sure, just wait until guys start transferring out of the program that you as a fan don't want transferring out. His roster management is retarded. He over recruits and lies to kids about early playing time. That leads to attrition and transfers which then leads to a lack of depth or experience or both. Just give it another year or two. The attrition is coming and not just from kids getting "processed".
Oregon won't be overpowering anybody. Fat ass lineman that aren't athletic and can't move their feet get your ass beat. Everybody wants big lineman. But they have to first and foremost be athletic which most of Cristobal's O-line recruits are not. Don't forget he was demoted as an assistant at Alabama from O-line coach to Tackles and TE's coach. Saban liked his recruiting but didn't like his coaching acumen.
I have heard recruits in interviews say that playing time is not being guaranteed and the staff is recruiting to replace them with someone better. Justin at scoopduck gets recruits to talk on his podcast all the time. You’re listening to garbage.
That's bullshit. "Early paying time" has been the big sell for Oregon the past three years and still is. I've read it in interview after interview. They'll continue to sell that as they continue to have mediocre 6-8 win seasons. The rest of their bullshit pitch is fake hype talking about winning national championships at Oregon before they have even won a conference title. Recruits won't buy that shit much longer if they don't prove it on the field which they won't.
Just listened to Steele -
1) relationships 2) family atmosphere 3) development of Graham’s technique since high school 4) commitment to weight room
He thinks the db unit will be best in PAC. No mention of early PT.
Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
So many fucking ifs. We are not Stanford, we have already surpassed anything they have done recently.
How many times has Pete compared this program to Boise State? If that isn’t trying to be small world successful instead of a Clemson, USC, Miami, Bama like dynasty, not sure what to tell ya.
If Petersen wanted this to be BSU he would have stayed in Boise. Hth
Please, tell me again, how well did his time end at Boise State? Did they build upon the talent that Hawkins & Kellen Moore built or did they max out trying to under recruit and outsmart Nevada, Fresno State, and Air Force.
Fucking Lol. The talent Hawkins built? I can't tell if youre trolling or not. Hawkins had nothing to do with Petersen's multiple undefeated seasons and COY awards. His last two BSU teams werent his best, but that has shit to do with wanting to compete with the big boys on the biggest stage. He got to the fucking playoff in year 3.
Chris Petersen won his first COY award in his first year after Hawkins left..... but why actually do research you have revisionist history.
Oh got it, so Hawkins was going to do the same thing, right? Hawkins also would have gone undefeated 4 years later for his second COY award.
How about we look and see what Pete did at a P5 school versus how Hawkins did.
Are we fucking done here?
Building and acquiring talent are different from coaching. Pete is the best coach and talent developer in the country. Period.
I’m not saying Dan Hawkins is the fucking man, I’m saying Pete thinks he’s such a good coach he can make up for meh recruiting and we already saw how that played out. Pete’s first year with Hawkins players he goes undefeated and beats Adrian Peterson and OU. From then on he should’ve been able to build and recruit a team so talented it never lost to a WAC-MWC team again. The last year of Hawkins influences recruits was 2009 where Boise State went undefeated. After that he lost to a MWC opponent every year including two losses in 2013 that also saw Boise State get blown out by a coaching retard named Sark.
How come it’s so easy for us to assume Oregon is going to get these top Cali guys (Steele, Addison, Thibodeaux, Navarette, Mykael Wright, Pittman) but our first instinct as UDUB fans is to say “we have no shot”? There’s a fucking reason for that.
You overthink this. Oregon brands itself as flashy throwing around Nike money. If UW tried to do that it would come off as wannabe Oregon.
Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
So many fucking ifs. We are not Stanford, we have already surpassed anything they have done recently.
How many times has Pete compared this program to Boise State? If that isn’t trying to be small world successful instead of a Clemson, USC, Miami, Bama like dynasty, not sure what to tell ya.
If Petersen wanted this to be BSU he would have stayed in Boise. Hth
Please, tell me again, how well did his time end at Boise State? Did they build upon the talent that Hawkins & Kellen Moore built or did they max out trying to under recruit and outsmart Nevada, Fresno State, and Air Force.
Fucking Lol. The talent Hawkins built? I can't tell if youre trolling or not. Hawkins had nothing to do with Petersen's multiple undefeated seasons and COY awards. His last two BSU teams werent his best, but that has shit to do with wanting to compete with the big boys on the biggest stage. He got to the fucking playoff in year 3.
Chris Petersen won his first COY award in his first year after Hawkins left..... but why actually do research you have revisionist history.
Oh got it, so Hawkins was going to do the same thing, right? Hawkins also would have gone undefeated 4 years later for his second COY award.
How about we look and see what Pete did at a P5 school versus how Hawkins did.
Are we fucking done here?
Building and acquiring talent are different from coaching. Pete is the best coach and talent developer in the country. Period.
I’m not saying Dan Hawkins is the fucking man, I’m saying Pete thinks he’s such a good coach he can make up for meh recruiting and we already saw how that played out. Pete’s first year with Hawkins players he goes undefeated and beats Adrian Peterson and OU. From then on he should’ve been able to build and recruit a team so talented it never lost to a WAC-MWC team again. The last year of Hawkins influences recruits was 2009 where Boise State went undefeated. After that he lost to a MWC opponent every year including two losses in 2013 that also saw Boise State get blown out by a coaching retard named Sark.
How come it’s so easy for us to assume Oregon is going to get these top Cali guys (Steele, Addison, Thibodeaux, Navarette, Mykael Wright, Pittman) but our first instinct as UDUB fans is to say “we have no shot”? There’s a fucking reason for that.
Dude, you are so fucking off base it's insane. Do you even follow UW recruiting closely? You are looking at Oregon recruits with envy and yet UW didn't want most of them. Some guys just aren't hard working enough. Some are too self-centered. Some want to be paid. Some don't have the grades. On top of UW passing on most of those guys, they also got recruits that they think are just as talented if not more talented players than them:
Latu > Thibodeaux
Puka Nacua and Taj Davis > Pittman
Kam Fab and Trent McDuffie > Steele and Wright
Austin Osborne and Marquis Spiker > Addison
The only real guy you can bitch about who we legitimately wanted is Navarette and I'd bet my pay check he doesn't sign with Oregon anyways. The grass is not greener on the other side. They're not bringing in better talent than us.
- Amazes me they fired Leavitt but kept Arroyo. Yikes. Forfeiting an entire season and Herbert’s career until that’s fixed. Surprised the more critical Duck fans aren’t more concerned. Maybe he’ll be better I guess? That’s the plan? - Oregon had objectively the easiest schedule since at least the formation of the P 12 last year. They also got to play Washington after a bye week, while Washington was coming off a road game. Wilner has written extensively on the P12 suiciding itself like that, accounts for > 50% of top team losses since 2012. - There is plenty of data on Cristobal as a head coach with middling to comparable talent related to his conference foes. Why are so many in the LIPO camp here? He is not an unknown entity here. The Jim Mora comparison is a good one until he proves he can break through. Meathead recruiter who can jack his team up for home games but hasn’t won anything of consequence. - I’d be very curious what effect Urban or anyone else at USC would have on Oregon recruiting going forward. Similar fast strategy kids for the most part.
All the Husky angst about Oregon makes me feel like I’m missing something. Oh they are recruiting well? ok
You should know why Leavitt was fired. He figured he was on his way to a HC job and was not recruiting. Avalos is considered an excellent coach and was a big pick up for Oregon.
I agree that the schedule was easy last year. Oregon could go 9-3 and be miles better. In fact, I see that as a likely scenario.
Jury is out on Cristobal’s pedigree as a HC. He can recruit. He runs a tight ship. The team is much more disciplined. Is he out scheming teams? I don’t think he will ever be an X’s and O’s genius and I believe he wants to overpower teams anyway. Arroyo is supposed to be that guy. I have reservations.
Jim Mora is another poor example as well as Sark. Cristobal’s roster management is superb and discipline is excellent. Mora left huge holes in the roster and his teams played out of control.
Yeah sure, just wait until guys start transferring out of the program that you as a fan don't want transferring out. His roster management is retarded. He over recruits and lies to kids about early playing time. That leads to attrition and transfers which then leads to a lack of depth or experience or both. Just give it another year or two. The attrition is coming and not just from kids getting "processed".
Oregon won't be overpowering anybody. Fat ass lineman that aren't athletic and can't move their feet get your ass beat. Everybody wants big lineman. But they have to first and foremost be athletic which most of Cristobal's O-line recruits are not. Don't forget he was demoted as an assistant at Alabama from O-line coach to Tackles and TE's coach. Saban liked his recruiting but didn't like his coaching acumen.
I have heard recruits in interviews say that playing time is not being guaranteed and the staff is recruiting to replace them with someone better. Justin at scoopduck gets recruits to talk on his podcast all the time. You’re listening to garbage.
That's bullshit. "Early paying time" has been the big sell for Oregon the past three years and still is. I've read it in interview after interview. They'll continue to sell that as they continue to have mediocre 6-8 win seasons. The rest of their bullshit pitch is fake hype talking about winning national championships at Oregon before they have even won a conference title. Recruits won't buy that shit much longer if they don't prove it on the field which they won't.
Just listened to Steele -
1) relationships 2) family atmosphere 3) development of Graham’s technique since high school 4) commitment to weight room
He thinks the db unit will be best in PAC. No mention of early PT.
That's one fucking recruit. I can look up dozens of recruit interviews mentioning early playing time being a factor in their interest in Oregon or commitment to Oregon. You're fucking kidding yourself. And of course he thinks Oregon's DB unit will be the best. False confidence, hype, and idiocy are staples of Cristobal's program. Oregon talks the talk. UW walks the walk.
Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
So many fucking ifs. We are not Stanford, we have already surpassed anything they have done recently.
How many times has Pete compared this program to Boise State? If that isn’t trying to be small world successful instead of a Clemson, USC, Miami, Bama like dynasty, not sure what to tell ya.
If Petersen wanted this to be BSU he would have stayed in Boise. Hth
Please, tell me again, how well did his time end at Boise State? Did they build upon the talent that Hawkins & Kellen Moore built or did they max out trying to under recruit and outsmart Nevada, Fresno State, and Air Force.
Fucking Lol. The talent Hawkins built? I can't tell if youre trolling or not. Hawkins had nothing to do with Petersen's multiple undefeated seasons and COY awards. His last two BSU teams werent his best, but that has shit to do with wanting to compete with the big boys on the biggest stage. He got to the fucking playoff in year 3.
Chris Petersen won his first COY award in his first year after Hawkins left..... but why actually do research you have revisionist history.
Key word: his first.
Pete did stuff at Boise Hawkins never dreamed of. Boise has a clear program climax and it coincided almost perfectly with the years Pete was there.
He may or may not get us to get the promised land but he’s in no way Dan fucking Hawkins.
- Amazes me they fired Leavitt but kept Arroyo. Yikes. Forfeiting an entire season and Herbert’s career until that’s fixed. Surprised the more critical Duck fans aren’t more concerned. Maybe he’ll be better I guess? That’s the plan? - Oregon had objectively the easiest schedule since at least the formation of the P 12 last year. They also got to play Washington after a bye week, while Washington was coming off a road game. Wilner has written extensively on the P12 suiciding itself like that, accounts for > 50% of top team losses since 2012. - There is plenty of data on Cristobal as a head coach with middling to comparable talent related to his conference foes. Why are so many in the LIPO camp here? He is not an unknown entity here. The Jim Mora comparison is a good one until he proves he can break through. Meathead recruiter who can jack his team up for home games but hasn’t won anything of consequence. - I’d be very curious what effect Urban or anyone else at USC would have on Oregon recruiting going forward. Similar fast strategy kids for the most part.
All the Husky angst about Oregon makes me feel like I’m missing something. Oh they are recruiting well? ok
You should know why Leavitt was fired. He figured he was on his way to a HC job and was not recruiting. Avalos is considered an excellent coach and was a big pick up for Oregon.
I agree that the schedule was easy last year. Oregon could go 9-3 and be miles better. In fact, I see that as a likely scenario.
Jury is out on Cristobal’s pedigree as a HC. He can recruit. He runs a tight ship. The team is much more disciplined. Is he out scheming teams? I don’t think he will ever be an X’s and O’s genius and I believe he wants to overpower teams anyway. Arroyo is supposed to be that guy. I have reservations.
Jim Mora is another poor example as well as Sark. Cristobal’s roster management is superb and discipline is excellent. Mora left huge holes in the roster and his teams played out of control.
Yeah sure, just wait until guys start transferring out of the program that you as a fan don't want transferring out. His roster management is retarded. He over recruits and lies to kids about early playing time. That leads to attrition and transfers which then leads to a lack of depth or experience or both. Just give it another year or two. The attrition is coming and not just from kids getting "processed".
Oregon won't be overpowering anybody. Fat ass lineman that aren't athletic and can't move their feet get your ass beat. Everybody wants big lineman. But they have to first and foremost be athletic which most of Cristobal's O-line recruits are not. Don't forget he was demoted as an assistant at Alabama from O-line coach to Tackles and TE's coach. Saban liked his recruiting but didn't like his coaching acumen.
I have heard recruits in interviews say that playing time is not being guaranteed and the staff is recruiting to replace them with someone better. Justin at scoopduck gets recruits to talk on his podcast all the time. You’re listening to garbage.
That's bullshit. "Early paying time" has been the big sell for Oregon the past three years and still is. I've read it in interview after interview. They'll continue to sell that as they continue to have mediocre 6-8 win seasons. The rest of their bullshit pitch is fake hype talking about winning national championships at Oregon before they have even won a conference title. Recruits won't buy that shit much longer if they don't prove it on the field which they won't.
Just listened to Steele -
1) relationships 2) family atmosphere 3) development of Graham’s technique since high school 4) commitment to weight room
He thinks the db unit will be best in PAC. No mention of early PT.
That's one fucking recruit. I can look up dozens of recruit interviews mentioning early playing time being a factor in their interest in Oregon or commitment to Oregon. You're fucking kidding yourself. And of course he thinks Oregon's DB unit will be the best. False confidence, hype, and idiocy are staples of Cristobal's program. Oregon talks the talk. UW walks the walk.
Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
So many fucking ifs. We are not Stanford, we have already surpassed anything they have done recently.
How many times has Pete compared this program to Boise State? If that isn’t trying to be small world successful instead of a Clemson, USC, Miami, Bama like dynasty, not sure what to tell ya.
If Petersen wanted this to be BSU he would have stayed in Boise. Hth
Please, tell me again, how well did his time end at Boise State? Did they build upon the talent that Hawkins & Kellen Moore built or did they max out trying to under recruit and outsmart Nevada, Fresno State, and Air Force.
Fucking Lol. The talent Hawkins built? I can't tell if youre trolling or not. Hawkins had nothing to do with Petersen's multiple undefeated seasons and COY awards. His last two BSU teams werent his best, but that has shit to do with wanting to compete with the big boys on the biggest stage. He got to the fucking playoff in year 3.
Chris Petersen won his first COY award in his first year after Hawkins left..... but why actually do research you have revisionist history.
Oh got it, so Hawkins was going to do the same thing, right? Hawkins also would have gone undefeated 4 years later for his second COY award.
How about we look and see what Pete did at a P5 school versus how Hawkins did.
Are we fucking done here?
Building and acquiring talent are different from coaching. Pete is the best coach and talent developer in the country. Period.
I’m not saying Dan Hawkins is the fucking man, I’m saying Pete thinks he’s such a good coach he can make up for meh recruiting and we already saw how that played out. Pete’s first year with Hawkins players he goes undefeated and beats Adrian Peterson and OU. From then on he should’ve been able to build and recruit a team so talented it never lost to a WAC-MWC team again. The last year of Hawkins influences recruits was 2009 where Boise State went undefeated. After that he lost to a MWC opponent every year including two losses in 2013 that also saw Boise State get blown out by a coaching retard named Sark.
How come it’s so easy for us to assume Oregon is going to get these top Cali guys (Steele, Addison, Thibodeaux, Navarette, Mykael Wright, Pittman) but our first instinct as UDUB fans is to say “we have no shot”? There’s a fucking reason for that.
Dude, you are so fucking off base it's insane. Do you even follow UW recruiting closely? You are looking at Oregon recruits with envy and yet UW didn't want most of them. Some guys just aren't hard working enough. Some are too self-centered. Some want to be paid. Some don't have the grades. On top of UW passing on most of those guys, they also got recruits that they think are just as talented if not more talented players than them:
Latu > Thibodeaux
Puka Nacua and Taj Davis > Pittman
Kam Fab and Trent McDuffie > Steele and Wright
Austin Osborne and Marquis Spiker > Addison
The only real guy you can bitch about who we legitimately wanted is Navarette and I'd bet my pay check he doesn't sign with Oregon anyways. The grass is not greener on the other side. They're not bringing in better talent than us.
Way to read one sentence about Oregon players they’ve gotten and completely base my feelings, thoughts, and entire life values off of it.
All I’m saying is that Pete doesn’t give a fuck about recruiting at a Bama, Clemson, Ohio State level because if he did he Boise State wouldn’t have fallen off like they did after Kellen. I don’t give a flying fuck about Oregon recruits vs our recruits. All I care about is recruiting SoCal and attacking recruiting with the same intensity that you attack a game. He didn’t at Boise State and from 2010 till now they are seen just like Stanford, great character team that can win 8-10 games every year with the ceiling of getting to and maybe winning a NY6 game, instead of being a dynasty who’s floor is a NY6 appearance.
Before this 2020 class debacle he was on track to be a lil better than Boise/Stanford, after losing Smalls, Botelho, Phillips and allowing this OKG narrative to continue, has us back on track to be Stanford. Period.
Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
So many fucking ifs. We are not Stanford, we have already surpassed anything they have done recently.
How many times has Pete compared this program to Boise State? If that isn’t trying to be small world successful instead of a Clemson, USC, Miami, Bama like dynasty, not sure what to tell ya.
If Petersen wanted this to be BSU he would have stayed in Boise. Hth
Please, tell me again, how well did his time end at Boise State? Did they build upon the talent that Hawkins & Kellen Moore built or did they max out trying to under recruit and outsmart Nevada, Fresno State, and Air Force.
Fucking Lol. The talent Hawkins built? I can't tell if youre trolling or not. Hawkins had nothing to do with Petersen's multiple undefeated seasons and COY awards. His last two BSU teams werent his best, but that has shit to do with wanting to compete with the big boys on the biggest stage. He got to the fucking playoff in year 3.
Chris Petersen won his first COY award in his first year after Hawkins left..... but why actually do research you have revisionist history.
Oh got it, so Hawkins was going to do the same thing, right? Hawkins also would have gone undefeated 4 years later for his second COY award.
How about we look and see what Pete did at a P5 school versus how Hawkins did.
Are we fucking done here?
Building and acquiring talent are different from coaching. Pete is the best coach and talent developer in the country. Period.
I’m not saying Dan Hawkins is the fucking man, I’m saying Pete thinks he’s such a good coach he can make up for meh recruiting and we already saw how that played out. Pete’s first year with Hawkins players he goes undefeated and beats Adrian Peterson and OU. From then on he should’ve been able to build and recruit a team so talented it never lost to a WAC-MWC team again. The last year of Hawkins influences recruits was 2009 where Boise State went undefeated. After that he lost to a MWC opponent every year including two losses in 2013 that also saw Boise State get blown out by a coaching retard named Sark.
How come it’s so easy for us to assume Oregon is going to get these top Cali guys (Steele, Addison, Thibodeaux, Navarette, Mykael Wright, Pittman) but our first instinct as UDUB fans is to say “we have no shot”? There’s a fucking reason for that.
You overthink this. Oregon brands itself as flashy throwing around Nike money. If UW tried to do that it would come off as wannabe Oregon.
If what you took from that was “we need to be like Oregon” you prolly wore a helmet to school every day as a child. All I want is for Pete to be held to the same standard as players. If we lost and a player gave 90% and didn’t sell out but still played fine, Pete would light him on fucking fire. If we lose giving 100% the better team won and you move on. If we did everything humanly possible to get a kid and he didn’t come here fine, we all know you don’t get every recruit. WHEN YOU FALL ASLEEP FOR MONTHS AT A TIME IN THE WINTER AND SPRING REPEATEDLY TO WAKE UP TO JOE NGATA GOING TO CLEMSON, BOTELHO GOING TO ND, PHILLIPS HAVING UCLA IN HIS TOP5 BUT NOT UDUB AND SMALLS THINKING YOURE RACIST, YOU DIDNT GIVE 100% EFFORT.
Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
So many fucking ifs. We are not Stanford, we have already surpassed anything they have done recently.
How many times has Pete compared this program to Boise State? If that isn’t trying to be small world successful instead of a Clemson, USC, Miami, Bama like dynasty, not sure what to tell ya.
If Petersen wanted this to be BSU he would have stayed in Boise. Hth
Please, tell me again, how well did his time end at Boise State? Did they build upon the talent that Hawkins & Kellen Moore built or did they max out trying to under recruit and outsmart Nevada, Fresno State, and Air Force.
Arroyo has a lot to prove as an OC. I am sure Avalos will be an excellent coach. Cristobal just needs to be the CEO. If the Oregon offense sputters, hopefully Cristobal replaces Arroyo. My guess is Arroyo keeps his job and the offense does well. Herbert and the O went from a simple to a more complicated scheme. The 2nd year will have less fits and starts.
There are too many people that shoot straight and know what they’re talking about that endorse Arroyo and Avalos.
Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
So many fucking ifs. We are not Stanford, we have already surpassed anything they have done recently.
How many times has Pete compared this program to Boise State? If that isn’t trying to be small world successful instead of a Clemson, USC, Miami, Bama like dynasty, not sure what to tell ya.
If Petersen wanted this to be BSU he would have stayed in Boise. Hth
Please, tell me again, how well did his time end at Boise State? Did they build upon the talent that Hawkins & Kellen Moore built or did they max out trying to under recruit and outsmart Nevada, Fresno State, and Air Force.
Fucking Lol. The talent Hawkins built? I can't tell if youre trolling or not. Hawkins had nothing to do with Petersen's multiple undefeated seasons and COY awards. His last two BSU teams werent his best, but that has shit to do with wanting to compete with the big boys on the biggest stage. He got to the fucking playoff in year 3.
Chris Petersen won his first COY award in his first year after Hawkins left..... but why actually do research you have revisionist history.
Oh got it, so Hawkins was going to do the same thing, right? Hawkins also would have gone undefeated 4 years later for his second COY award.
How about we look and see what Pete did at a P5 school versus how Hawkins did.
Are we fucking done here?
Building and acquiring talent are different from coaching. Pete is the best coach and talent developer in the country. Period.
I’m not saying Dan Hawkins is the fucking man, I’m saying Pete thinks he’s such a good coach he can make up for meh recruiting and we already saw how that played out. Pete’s first year with Hawkins players he goes undefeated and beats Adrian Peterson and OU. From then on he should’ve been able to build and recruit a team so talented it never lost to a WAC-MWC team again. The last year of Hawkins influences recruits was 2009 where Boise State went undefeated. After that he lost to a MWC opponent every year including two losses in 2013 that also saw Boise State get blown out by a coaching retard named Sark.
How come it’s so easy for us to assume Oregon is going to get these top Cali guys (Steele, Addison, Thibodeaux, Navarette, Mykael Wright, Pittman) but our first instinct as UDUB fans is to say “we have no shot”? There’s a fucking reason for that.
Dude, you are so fucking off base it's insane. Do you even follow UW recruiting closely? You are looking at Oregon recruits with envy and yet UW didn't want most of them. Some guys just aren't hard working enough. Some are too self-centered. Some want to be paid. Some don't have the grades. On top of UW passing on most of those guys, they also got recruits that they think are just as talented if not more talented players than them:
Latu > Thibodeaux
Puka Nacua and Taj Davis > Pittman
Kam Fab and Trent McDuffie > Steele and Wright
Austin Osborne and Marquis Spiker > Addison
The only real guy you can bitch about who we legitimately wanted is Navarette and I'd bet my pay check he doesn't sign with Oregon anyways. The grass is not greener on the other side. They're not bringing in better talent than us.
Way to read one sentence about Oregon players they’ve gotten and completely base my feelings, thoughts, and entire life values off of it.
All I’m saying is that Pete doesn’t give a fuck about recruiting at a Bama, Clemson, Ohio State level because if he did he Boise State wouldn’t have fallen off like they did after Kellen. I don’t give a flying fuck about Oregon recruits vs our recruits. All I care about is recruiting SoCal and attacking recruiting with the same intensity that you attack a game. He didn’t at Boise State and from 2010 till now they are seen just like Stanford, great character team that can win 8-10 games every year with the ceiling of getting to and maybe winning a NY6 game, instead of being a dynasty who’s floor is a NY6 appearance.
Before this 2020 class debacle he was on track to be a lil better than Boise/Stanford, after losing Smalls, Botelho, Phillips and allowing this OKG narrative to continue, has us back on track to be Stanford. Period.
You're still making zero sense. He had no chance of ever recruiting at a high level at Boise and our recruiting has been far superior to Stanford's for years now.
First you were bitching about not enough black kids being recruited now you're bitching about Petersen not recruiting with enough intensity. Seems like a flip flop.
I would like Petersen to be more aggressive on the trail as well but he's a stubborn old fuck who's not gonna change his ways. If anything he's becoming even more slow strategy and less aggressive as a recruiter than ever before. I am irritated with that as well. But we are in no way on track to being Stanford. Our last two recruiting classes are both better than any recruiting class Stanford has ever signed in the history of their program. Get a grip.
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Oregon won't be overpowering anybody. Fat ass lineman that aren't athletic and can't move their feet get your ass beat. Everybody wants big lineman. But they have to first and foremost be athletic which most of Cristobal's O-line recruits are not. Don't forget he was demoted as an assistant at Alabama from O-line coach to Tackles and TE's coach. Saban liked his recruiting with the Alabama brand behind him but didn't like his coaching acumen as much.
I’m not saying Dan Hawkins is the fucking man, I’m saying Pete thinks he’s such a good coach he can make up for meh recruiting and we already saw how that played out. Pete’s first year with Hawkins players he goes undefeated and beats Adrian Peterson and OU. From then on he should’ve been able to build and recruit a team so talented it never lost to a WAC-MWC team again. The last year of Hawkins influences recruits was 2009 where Boise State went undefeated. After that he lost to a MWC opponent every year including two losses in 2013 that also saw Boise State get blown out by a coaching retard named Sark.
How come it’s so easy for us to assume Oregon is going to get these top Cali guys (Steele, Addison, Thibodeaux, Navarette, Mykael Wright, Pittman) but our first instinct as UDUB fans is to say “we have no shot”? There’s a fucking reason for that.
1) relationships
2) family atmosphere
3) development of Graham’s technique since high school
4) commitment to weight room
He thinks the db unit will be best in PAC. No mention of early PT.
You overthink this. Oregon brands itself as flashy throwing around Nike money. If UW tried to do that it would come off as wannabe Oregon.
Latu > Thibodeaux
Puka Nacua and Taj Davis > Pittman
Kam Fab and Trent McDuffie > Steele and Wright
Austin Osborne and Marquis Spiker > Addison
The only real guy you can bitch about who we legitimately wanted is Navarette and I'd bet my pay check he doesn't sign with Oregon anyways. The grass is not greener on the other side. They're not bringing in better talent than us.
Pete did stuff at Boise Hawkins never dreamed of. Boise has a clear program climax and it coincided almost perfectly with the years Pete was there.
He may or may not get us to get the promised land but he’s in no way Dan fucking Hawkins.
All I’m saying is that Pete doesn’t give a fuck about recruiting at a Bama, Clemson, Ohio State level because if he did he Boise State wouldn’t have fallen off like they did after Kellen. I don’t give a flying fuck about Oregon recruits vs our recruits. All I care about is recruiting SoCal and attacking recruiting with the same intensity that you attack a game. He didn’t at Boise State and from 2010 till now they are seen just like Stanford, great character team that can win 8-10 games every year with the ceiling of getting to and maybe winning a NY6 game, instead of being a dynasty who’s floor is a NY6 appearance.
Before this 2020 class debacle he was on track to be a lil better than Boise/Stanford, after losing Smalls, Botelho, Phillips and allowing this OKG narrative to continue, has us back on track to be Stanford. Period.
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If what you took from that was “we need to be like Oregon” you prolly wore a helmet to school every day as a child. All I want is for Pete to be held to the same standard as players. If we lost and a player gave 90% and didn’t sell out but still played fine, Pete would light him on fucking fire. If we lose giving 100% the better team won and you move on. If we did everything humanly possible to get a kid and he didn’t come here fine, we all know you don’t get every recruit. WHEN YOU FALL ASLEEP FOR MONTHS AT A TIME IN THE WINTER AND SPRING REPEATEDLY TO WAKE UP TO JOE NGATA GOING TO CLEMSON, BOTELHO GOING TO ND, PHILLIPS HAVING UCLA IN HIS TOP5 BUT NOT UDUB AND SMALLS THINKING YOURE RACIST, YOU DIDNT GIVE 100% EFFORT.
First you were bitching about not enough black kids being recruited now you're bitching about Petersen not recruiting with enough intensity. Seems like a flip flop.
I would like Petersen to be more aggressive on the trail as well but he's a stubborn old fuck who's not gonna change his ways. If anything he's becoming even more slow strategy and less aggressive as a recruiter than ever before. I am irritated with that as well. But we are in no way on track to being Stanford. Our last two recruiting classes are both better than any recruiting class Stanford has ever signed in the history of their program. Get a grip.