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So we had veterans at 9 of 22 positions. Sounds young to me. And yes, a second year player with no real solid veteran leadership at his position is considered young.StrongArmCobra said:
Lol, what a role reversal. Now Oregon fans are the ones making excuses about being young with an inexperienced coaching staff. Hmm, I remember them laughing at us when we said that about Sark's staff and roster. Everything you just posted is a bunch of bullshit excuses doogs used to say. "They came out flat after an emotional victory"and "had to try to dig themselves out of a deflating loss" and "young team". Holy shit that's amazing.greenblood said:
What you saw with WSU and Arizona is pretty common with a young team with a less experienced coaching staff. Against WSU, Oregon came out flat from an emotional victory the week prior in an overtime game no less. I would actually like see what the win percentage is for teams that travel the following week after an overtime game. Even though they came out flat, Oregon did adjust well and got within a TD late from being down 27-0 at half. A great effort on a huge third down play for 37 yards on WSU's final drive prevented Oregon from having a game tying drive late.StrongArmCobra said:
Dude, we already know their coaching staff sucks at actually coaching. What happened against WSU, Arizona, and Utah were total debacles for Oregon. Their coaches got them all hyped up for the Stanford and UW games and then after those games they didn't have much left in the tank. That's some retarded Sark bullshit. Get the kids all hyped up for the big home games, and then shit themselves on the road when you can't replicate that same level of energy.Dennis_DeYoung said:Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
They are not doing shit in recruiting after they get exposed on the field this season. They will finish the regular season no better than 7-5 with a first round QB. Half their class will decommit, again. Just wait on it. UW under Sark. UCLA under Mora. USC under Kiffin, Sark, Helton. Tennessee under Butch Jones. Whatever comparison you want to use, they all fit. That's Oregon under Cristobal. Personally, I think Tennessee under Butch Jones is the best comparison because they recruit like the $EC in now and Cristobal is a loud mouthed arrogant prick like Butch Jones.
They suck at coaching and they're not bringing in better talent than UW. They're getting some talented guys but overall they're still weak at recruiting certain positions like ILB, D-line, WR (overrated WR recruits) and O-line (too many fat asses).
Then they traveled the next week to Arizona, and had to try and dig themselves out of a deflating loss against WSU, this is where in a young team, the wheels can fall off (and they did). Even if it's common, the coaching staff needed to do better there. Oregon did not come out ready to play at all, and were mentally still in Pullman. For a first year coach, I'll let that slide, but it shouldn't happen again.
Utah? Shit, they should have won, but I wouldn't call it a debacle. UW played essentially the same team a couple weeks later and needed a pick six to win it.
Cristobal showed flashes at times during the season. Two specific moments:
1) He called a key timeout in the first half against Stanford. The analyst were mocking it, but it turned it useful on a third and goal adjustment that lead to a touchdown.
2) The most remembered one was the game winning touchdown run. Third and goal from the 6, Washington tipped their hat that they were in man coverage with help on Dillon Mitchell. Cristobal called timeout and adjusted the play call from a pass to a run, and set that up by putting Mitchell in motion which drew 2 Washington defenders out of the play giving Oregon a one man advantage on the right side of the line of scrimmage. As the Mitchell went into motion, Oregon ran it right behind the trailing Washington defenders for a walk in score.
Cristobal was far from perfect, but he did show me that he wasn't completely incompetent. He at times could adjust to what the opponent was doing. This is a prove it year for Mario. Oregon will need to take a step forward or that seat is going to be pretty warm in 2020.
Oregon wasn't even that young. Veteran O-line outside of the LT. Junior at QB. Returning starters at WR and TE. Starting front seven were all returning starters. Entire secondary were returning starters. Most were Sophomores but they weren't first year starters. You were young at LT and RB and kinda young in the secondary and that's about it. Your best players were mostly Helfrich recruited veterans: Herbert, Dye, Amadi, Jelks, Hollins, Mitchell, and 3/5's of the O-line. Oregon was more veteran last season than young.
Most Oregon fans didn't say shit during Sark's first season, it was the end of his second season when the talk started. I'm still LIPO on Cristobal's coaching. His recruiting is excellent and only you disagree, because you're a dipshit. Cristobal was Taggart's head recruiter, and kept 90% of the class together when Taggart bolted. He then proceeded to post a top 10 class off a 9-4 season. Cristobal was not great year 1 as a coach but he wasn't horrible either. I think we'll know this year how good or bad he is. However, even if he's just average, the talent he's bringing in would make Oregon relevant. He would have to be a moron otherwise, and such would be gone. -
@greenblood Just said Oregon was a young team last season multiple times as an excuse for their losses. Read his post.lawsandl said:
No one is saying Oregon was young overall last year. At corner Oregon was young. Stop with Sark. He said he was young 5 years running and the dude had issues that Cristobal doesn’t. Also, Sark wasn’t out recruiting Oregon.StrongArmCobra said:
Lol, what a role reversal. Now Oregon fans are the ones making excuses about being young with an inexperienced coaching staff. Hmm, I remember them laughing at us when we said that about Sark's staff and roster. Everything you just posted is a bunch of bullshit excuses doogs used to say. "They came out flat after an emotional victory"and "had to try to dig themselves out of a deflating loss" and "young team". Holy shit that's amazing.greenblood said:
What you saw with WSU and Arizona is pretty common with a young team with a less experienced coaching staff. Against WSU, Oregon came out flat from an emotional victory the week prior in an overtime game no less. I would actually like see what the win percentage is for teams that travel the following week after an overtime game. Even though they came out flat, Oregon did adjust well and got within a TD late from being down 27-0 at half. A great effort on a huge third down play for 37 yards on WSU's final drive prevented Oregon from having a game tying drive late.StrongArmCobra said:
Dude, we already know their coaching staff sucks at actually coaching. What happened against WSU, Arizona, and Utah were total debacles for Oregon. Their coaches got them all hyped up for the Stanford and UW games and then after those games they didn't have much left in the tank. That's some retarded Sark bullshit. Get the kids all hyped up for the big home games, and then shit themselves on the road when you can't replicate that same level of energy.Dennis_DeYoung said:Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
They are not doing shit in recruiting after they get exposed on the field this season. They will finish the regular season no better than 7-5 with a first round QB. Half their class will decommit, again. Just wait on it. UW under Sark. UCLA under Mora. USC under Kiffin, Sark, Helton. Tennessee under Butch Jones. Whatever comparison you want to use, they all fit. That's Oregon under Cristobal. Personally, I think Tennessee under Butch Jones is the best comparison because they recruit like the $EC in now and Cristobal is a loud mouthed arrogant prick like Butch Jones.
They suck at coaching and they're not bringing in better talent than UW. They're getting some talented guys but overall they're still weak at recruiting certain positions like ILB, D-line, WR (overrated WR recruits) and O-line (too many fat asses).
Then they traveled the next week to Arizona, and had to try and dig themselves out of a deflating loss against WSU, this is where in a young team, the wheels can fall off (and they did). Even if it's common, the coaching staff needed to do better there. Oregon did not come out ready to play at all, and were mentally still in Pullman. For a first year coach, I'll let that slide, but it shouldn't happen again.
Utah? Shit, they should have won, but I wouldn't call it a debacle. UW played essentially the same team a couple weeks later and needed a pick six to win it.
Cristobal showed flashes at times during the season. Two specific moments:
1) He called a key timeout in the first half against Stanford. The analyst were mocking it, but it turned it useful on a third and goal adjustment that lead to a touchdown.
2) The most remembered one was the game winning touchdown run. Third and goal from the 6, Washington tipped their hat that they were in man coverage with help on Dillon Mitchell. Cristobal called timeout and adjusted the play call from a pass to a run, and set that up by putting Mitchell in motion which drew 2 Washington defenders out of the play giving Oregon a one man advantage on the right side of the line of scrimmage. As the Mitchell went into motion, Oregon ran it right behind the trailing Washington defenders for a walk in score.
Cristobal was far from perfect, but he did show me that he wasn't completely incompetent. He at times could adjust to what the opponent was doing. This is a prove it year for Mario. Oregon will need to take a step forward or that seat is going to be pretty warm in 2020.
Oregon wasn't even that young. Veteran O-line outside of the LT. Junior at QB. Returning starters at WR and TE. Starting front seven were all returning starters. Entire secondary were returning starters. Most were Sophomores but they weren't first year starters. You were young at LT and RB and kinda young in the secondary and that's about it. Your best players were mostly Helfrich recruited veterans: Herbert, Dye, Amadi, Jelks, Hollins, Mitchell, and 3/5's of the O-line. Oregon was more veteran last season than young.
Oregon fans will be saying they're young for years and years as well. That's what happens when you have constant attrition and guys transferring out because they're from across the country and get sick of living in Eugene, OR. Next, Oregon fans will be not only using youth as an excuse but also attrition and injuries from playing players too early in their careers. It's the same exact shit as Sark at UW.
Cristobal isn't out-recruiting UW. UW's 2019 class is better than Oregons. Oregon's off to a fast start as usual in 2020 because they take soft commitments. UW doesn't.
Half the conference was "out-recruiting" Petersen when he showed up to UW based on the star ratings. What happened the years following that? Oh that's right, Petersen built UW into the conferences best program with those lesser rated classes. We have the best coach and Cristobal is down the list. -
Your team is significantly worse on the road than at home. Your team got spanked on the road against WSU and Arizona and the Utah game wasn't nearly as close as Oregon made it look. Now you think they're all of a sudden gonna beat Auburn, Stanford, USC, and UW on the road after losing most of their best veteran talent? You're delusional. They won't win a single one of those games and will drop another they should win. If they still can't beat WSU, that's another 6-6 season. I seriously doubt you'll still be posting on this board after the season. You'll disappear after Oregon fails to meet your irrational expectations.DJDuck said:
So I have you jotted down for Oregon going 7-5. I will be sure and look you up on that at the end of the season. If I were you I would be dreaming up excuses already.😂StrongArmCobra said:
Dude, we already know their coaching staff sucks at actually coaching. What happened against WSU, Arizona, and Utah were total debacles for Oregon. Their coaches got them all hyped up for the Stanford and UW games and then after those games they didn't have much left in the tank. That's some retarded Sark bullshit. Get the kids all hyped up for the big home games, and then shit themselves on the road when you can't replicate that same level of energy.Dennis_DeYoung said:Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
They are not doing shit in recruiting after they get exposed on the field this season. They will finish the regular season no better than 7-5 with a first round QB. Half their class will decommit, again. Just wait on it. UW under Sark. UCLA under Mora. USC under Kiffin, Sark, Helton. Tennessee under Butch Jones. Whatever comparison you want to use, they all fit. That's Oregon under Cristobal. Personally, I think Tennessee under Butch Jones is the best comparison because they recruit like the $EC in now and Cristobal is a loud mouthed arrogant prick like Butch Jones.
They suck at coaching and they're not bringing in better talent than UW. They're getting some talented guys but overall they're still weak at recruiting certain positions like ILB, D-line, WR (overrated WR recruits) and O-line (too many fat asses). -
WTH are you talking about? Oregon is veteran next year. The kids transferring out are kids getting processed. Oregon is returning 17 startersStrongArmCobra said:
@greenblood Just said Oregon was a young team last season multiple times as an excuse for their losses. Read his post.lawsandl said:
No one is saying Oregon was young overall last year. At corner Oregon was young. Stop with Sark. He said he was young 5 years running and the dude had issues that Cristobal doesn’t. Also, Sark wasn’t out recruiting Oregon.StrongArmCobra said:
Lol, what a role reversal. Now Oregon fans are the ones making excuses about being young with an inexperienced coaching staff. Hmm, I remember them laughing at us when we said that about Sark's staff and roster. Everything you just posted is a bunch of bullshit excuses doogs used to say. "They came out flat after an emotional victory"and "had to try to dig themselves out of a deflating loss" and "young team". Holy shit that's amazing.greenblood said:
What you saw with WSU and Arizona is pretty common with a young team with a less experienced coaching staff. Against WSU, Oregon came out flat from an emotional victory the week prior in an overtime game no less. I would actually like see what the win percentage is for teams that travel the following week after an overtime game. Even though they came out flat, Oregon did adjust well and got within a TD late from being down 27-0 at half. A great effort on a huge third down play for 37 yards on WSU's final drive prevented Oregon from having a game tying drive late.StrongArmCobra said:
Dude, we already know their coaching staff sucks at actually coaching. What happened against WSU, Arizona, and Utah were total debacles for Oregon. Their coaches got them all hyped up for the Stanford and UW games and then after those games they didn't have much left in the tank. That's some retarded Sark bullshit. Get the kids all hyped up for the big home games, and then shit themselves on the road when you can't replicate that same level of energy.Dennis_DeYoung said:Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
They are not doing shit in recruiting after they get exposed on the field this season. They will finish the regular season no better than 7-5 with a first round QB. Half their class will decommit, again. Just wait on it. UW under Sark. UCLA under Mora. USC under Kiffin, Sark, Helton. Tennessee under Butch Jones. Whatever comparison you want to use, they all fit. That's Oregon under Cristobal. Personally, I think Tennessee under Butch Jones is the best comparison because they recruit like the $EC in now and Cristobal is a loud mouthed arrogant prick like Butch Jones.
They suck at coaching and they're not bringing in better talent than UW. They're getting some talented guys but overall they're still weak at recruiting certain positions like ILB, D-line, WR (overrated WR recruits) and O-line (too many fat asses).
Then they traveled the next week to Arizona, and had to try and dig themselves out of a deflating loss against WSU, this is where in a young team, the wheels can fall off (and they did). Even if it's common, the coaching staff needed to do better there. Oregon did not come out ready to play at all, and were mentally still in Pullman. For a first year coach, I'll let that slide, but it shouldn't happen again.
Utah? Shit, they should have won, but I wouldn't call it a debacle. UW played essentially the same team a couple weeks later and needed a pick six to win it.
Cristobal showed flashes at times during the season. Two specific moments:
1) He called a key timeout in the first half against Stanford. The analyst were mocking it, but it turned it useful on a third and goal adjustment that lead to a touchdown.
2) The most remembered one was the game winning touchdown run. Third and goal from the 6, Washington tipped their hat that they were in man coverage with help on Dillon Mitchell. Cristobal called timeout and adjusted the play call from a pass to a run, and set that up by putting Mitchell in motion which drew 2 Washington defenders out of the play giving Oregon a one man advantage on the right side of the line of scrimmage. As the Mitchell went into motion, Oregon ran it right behind the trailing Washington defenders for a walk in score.
Cristobal was far from perfect, but he did show me that he wasn't completely incompetent. He at times could adjust to what the opponent was doing. This is a prove it year for Mario. Oregon will need to take a step forward or that seat is going to be pretty warm in 2020.
Oregon wasn't even that young. Veteran O-line outside of the LT. Junior at QB. Returning starters at WR and TE. Starting front seven were all returning starters. Entire secondary were returning starters. Most were Sophomores but they weren't first year starters. You were young at LT and RB and kinda young in the secondary and that's about it. Your best players were mostly Helfrich recruited veterans: Herbert, Dye, Amadi, Jelks, Hollins, Mitchell, and 3/5's of the O-line. Oregon was more veteran last season than young.
Oregon fans will be saying they're young for years and years as well. That's what happens when you have constant attrition and guys transferring out because they're from across the country and get sick of living in Eugene, OR. Next, Oregon fans will be not only using youth as an excuse but also attrition and injuries from playing players too early in their careers. It's the same exact shit as Sark at UW.
Cristobal isn't out-recruiting UW. UW's 2019 class is better than Oregons. Oregon's off to a fast start as usual in 2020 because they take soft commitments. UW doesn't.
Half the conference was "out-recruiting" Petersen when he showed up to UW based on the star ratings. What happened the years following that? Oh that's right, Petersen built UW into the conferences best program with those lesser rated classes. We have the best coach and Cristobal is down the list.
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Oregon was also significantly more penalized the year before last and that got corrected. Things change.StrongArmCobra said:
Your team is significantly worse on the road than at home. Your team got spanked on the road against WSU and Arizona and the Utah game wasn't nearly as close as Oregon made it look. Now you think they're all of a sudden gonna beat Auburn, Stanford, USC, and UW on the road after losing most of their best veteran talent? You're delusional. They won't win a single one of those games and will drop another they should win. If they still can't beat WSU, that's another 6-6 season. I seriously doubt you'll still be posting on this board after the season. You'll disappear after Oregon fails to meet your irrational expectations.DJDuck said:
So I have you jotted down for Oregon going 7-5. I will be sure and look you up on that at the end of the season. If I were you I would be dreaming up excuses already.😂StrongArmCobra said:
Dude, we already know their coaching staff sucks at actually coaching. What happened against WSU, Arizona, and Utah were total debacles for Oregon. Their coaches got them all hyped up for the Stanford and UW games and then after those games they didn't have much left in the tank. That's some retarded Sark bullshit. Get the kids all hyped up for the big home games, and then shit themselves on the road when you can't replicate that same level of energy.Dennis_DeYoung said:Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
They are not doing shit in recruiting after they get exposed on the field this season. They will finish the regular season no better than 7-5 with a first round QB. Half their class will decommit, again. Just wait on it. UW under Sark. UCLA under Mora. USC under Kiffin, Sark, Helton. Tennessee under Butch Jones. Whatever comparison you want to use, they all fit. That's Oregon under Cristobal. Personally, I think Tennessee under Butch Jones is the best comparison because they recruit like the $EC in now and Cristobal is a loud mouthed arrogant prick like Butch Jones.
They suck at coaching and they're not bringing in better talent than UW. They're getting some talented guys but overall they're still weak at recruiting certain positions like ILB, D-line, WR (overrated WR recruits) and O-line (too many fat asses).
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StrongArmCobra said:
Your team is significantly worse on the road than at home. Your team got spanked on the road against WSU and Arizona and the Utah game wasn't nearly as close as Oregon made it look. Now you think they're all of a sudden gonna beat Auburn, Stanford, USC, and UW on the road after losing most of their best veteran talent? You're delusional. They won't win a single one of those games and will drop another they should win. If they still can't beat WSU, that's another 6-6 season. I seriously doubt you'll still be posting on this board after the season. You'll disappear after Oregon fails to meet your irrational expectations.DJDuck said:
So I have you jotted down for Oregon going 7-5. I will be sure and look you up on that at the end of the season. If I were you I would be dreaming up excuses already.😂StrongArmCobra said:
Dude, we already know their coaching staff sucks at actually coaching. What happened against WSU, Arizona, and Utah were total debacles for Oregon. Their coaches got them all hyped up for the Stanford and UW games and then after those games they didn't have much left in the tank. That's some retarded Sark bullshit. Get the kids all hyped up for the big home games, and then shit themselves on the road when you can't replicate that same level of energy.Dennis_DeYoung said:Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
They are not doing shit in recruiting after they get exposed on the field this season. They will finish the regular season no better than 7-5 with a first round QB. Half their class will decommit, again. Just wait on it. UW under Sark. UCLA under Mora. USC under Kiffin, Sark, Helton. Tennessee under Butch Jones. Whatever comparison you want to use, they all fit. That's Oregon under Cristobal. Personally, I think Tennessee under Butch Jones is the best comparison because they recruit like the $EC in now and Cristobal is a loud mouthed arrogant prick like Butch Jones.
They suck at coaching and they're not bringing in better talent than UW. They're getting some talented guys but overall they're still weak at recruiting certain positions like ILB, D-line, WR (overrated WR recruits) and O-line (too many fat asses).
Best veteran talent...like all 4 guys. lol.
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PostGameOrangeSlices said:LaMichael_Corleone said:
Except for that whole win a major bowl game thing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Dennis_DeYoung said:Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
So many fucking ifs. We are not Stanford, we have already surpassed anything they have done recently. -
Except for that whole win a major bowl game thing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Dennis_DeYoung said:Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
So many fucking ifs. We are not Stanford, we have already surpassed anything they have done recently. -
Oregon's DB room has never been deeper or as talented as 2019
https://247sports.com/college/oregon/Article/Oregon-football-recruiting-DB-room-132036786/ -
Oregon was ahead mid way through the 4th quarter you imbecile.StrongArmCobra said:
Your team is significantly worse on the road than at home. Your team got spanked on the road against WSU and Arizona and the Utah game wasn't nearly as close as Oregon made it look. Now you think they're all of a sudden gonna beat Auburn, Stanford, USC, and UW on the road after losing most of their best veteran talent? You're delusional. They won't win a single one of those games and will drop another they should win. If they still can't beat WSU, that's another 6-6 season. I seriously doubt you'll still be posting on this board after the season. You'll disappear after Oregon fails to meet your irrational expectations.DJDuck said:
So I have you jotted down for Oregon going 7-5. I will be sure and look you up on that at the end of the season. If I were you I would be dreaming up excuses already.😂StrongArmCobra said:
Dude, we already know their coaching staff sucks at actually coaching. What happened against WSU, Arizona, and Utah were total debacles for Oregon. Their coaches got them all hyped up for the Stanford and UW games and then after those games they didn't have much left in the tank. That's some retarded Sark bullshit. Get the kids all hyped up for the big home games, and then shit themselves on the road when you can't replicate that same level of energy.Dennis_DeYoung said:Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
They are not doing shit in recruiting after they get exposed on the field this season. They will finish the regular season no better than 7-5 with a first round QB. Half their class will decommit, again. Just wait on it. UW under Sark. UCLA under Mora. USC under Kiffin, Sark, Helton. Tennessee under Butch Jones. Whatever comparison you want to use, they all fit. That's Oregon under Cristobal. Personally, I think Tennessee under Butch Jones is the best comparison because they recruit like the $EC in now and Cristobal is a loud mouthed arrogant prick like Butch Jones.
They suck at coaching and they're not bringing in better talent than UW. They're getting some talented guys but overall they're still weak at recruiting certain positions like ILB, D-line, WR (overrated WR recruits) and O-line (too many fat asses).
Here's the box score, since you obviously didn't watch the game
http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=401012789
Oh and Ahmed>Gaskins -
- Amazes me they fired Leavitt but kept Arroyo. Yikes. Forfeiting an entire season and Herbert’s career until that’s fixed. Surprised the more critical Duck fans aren’t more concerned. Maybe he’ll be better I guess? That’s the plan?
- Oregon had objectively the easiest schedule since at least the formation of the P 12 last year. They also got to play Washington after a bye week, while Washington was coming off a road game. Wilner has written extensively on the P12 suiciding itself like that, accounts for > 50% of top team losses since 2012.
- There is plenty of data on Cristobal as a head coach with middling to comparable talent related to his conference foes. Why are so many in the LIPO camp here? He is not an unknown entity here. The Jim Mora comparison is a good one until he proves he can break through. Meathead recruiter who can jack his team up for home games but hasn’t won anything of consequence.
- I’d be very curious what effect Urban or anyone else at USC would have on Oregon recruiting going forward. Similar fast strategy kids for the most part.
All the Husky angst about Oregon makes me feel like I’m missing something. Oh they are recruiting well? ok -
Nope, they'll be too young at WR. That'll be the next excuse this season when they lose games.lawsandl said:
WTH are you talking about? Oregon is veteran next year. The kids transferring out are kids getting processed. Oregon is returning 17 startersStrongArmCobra said:
@greenblood Just said Oregon was a young team last season multiple times as an excuse for their losses. Read his post.lawsandl said:
No one is saying Oregon was young overall last year. At corner Oregon was young. Stop with Sark. He said he was young 5 years running and the dude had issues that Cristobal doesn’t. Also, Sark wasn’t out recruiting Oregon.StrongArmCobra said:
Lol, what a role reversal. Now Oregon fans are the ones making excuses about being young with an inexperienced coaching staff. Hmm, I remember them laughing at us when we said that about Sark's staff and roster. Everything you just posted is a bunch of bullshit excuses doogs used to say. "They came out flat after an emotional victory"and "had to try to dig themselves out of a deflating loss" and "young team". Holy shit that's amazing.greenblood said:
What you saw with WSU and Arizona is pretty common with a young team with a less experienced coaching staff. Against WSU, Oregon came out flat from an emotional victory the week prior in an overtime game no less. I would actually like see what the win percentage is for teams that travel the following week after an overtime game. Even though they came out flat, Oregon did adjust well and got within a TD late from being down 27-0 at half. A great effort on a huge third down play for 37 yards on WSU's final drive prevented Oregon from having a game tying drive late.StrongArmCobra said:
Dude, we already know their coaching staff sucks at actually coaching. What happened against WSU, Arizona, and Utah were total debacles for Oregon. Their coaches got them all hyped up for the Stanford and UW games and then after those games they didn't have much left in the tank. That's some retarded Sark bullshit. Get the kids all hyped up for the big home games, and then shit themselves on the road when you can't replicate that same level of energy.Dennis_DeYoung said:Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
They are not doing shit in recruiting after they get exposed on the field this season. They will finish the regular season no better than 7-5 with a first round QB. Half their class will decommit, again. Just wait on it. UW under Sark. UCLA under Mora. USC under Kiffin, Sark, Helton. Tennessee under Butch Jones. Whatever comparison you want to use, they all fit. That's Oregon under Cristobal. Personally, I think Tennessee under Butch Jones is the best comparison because they recruit like the $EC in now and Cristobal is a loud mouthed arrogant prick like Butch Jones.
They suck at coaching and they're not bringing in better talent than UW. They're getting some talented guys but overall they're still weak at recruiting certain positions like ILB, D-line, WR (overrated WR recruits) and O-line (too many fat asses).
Then they traveled the next week to Arizona, and had to try and dig themselves out of a deflating loss against WSU, this is where in a young team, the wheels can fall off (and they did). Even if it's common, the coaching staff needed to do better there. Oregon did not come out ready to play at all, and were mentally still in Pullman. For a first year coach, I'll let that slide, but it shouldn't happen again.
Utah? Shit, they should have won, but I wouldn't call it a debacle. UW played essentially the same team a couple weeks later and needed a pick six to win it.
Cristobal showed flashes at times during the season. Two specific moments:
1) He called a key timeout in the first half against Stanford. The analyst were mocking it, but it turned it useful on a third and goal adjustment that lead to a touchdown.
2) The most remembered one was the game winning touchdown run. Third and goal from the 6, Washington tipped their hat that they were in man coverage with help on Dillon Mitchell. Cristobal called timeout and adjusted the play call from a pass to a run, and set that up by putting Mitchell in motion which drew 2 Washington defenders out of the play giving Oregon a one man advantage on the right side of the line of scrimmage. As the Mitchell went into motion, Oregon ran it right behind the trailing Washington defenders for a walk in score.
Cristobal was far from perfect, but he did show me that he wasn't completely incompetent. He at times could adjust to what the opponent was doing. This is a prove it year for Mario. Oregon will need to take a step forward or that seat is going to be pretty warm in 2020.
Oregon wasn't even that young. Veteran O-line outside of the LT. Junior at QB. Returning starters at WR and TE. Starting front seven were all returning starters. Entire secondary were returning starters. Most were Sophomores but they weren't first year starters. You were young at LT and RB and kinda young in the secondary and that's about it. Your best players were mostly Helfrich recruited veterans: Herbert, Dye, Amadi, Jelks, Hollins, Mitchell, and 3/5's of the O-line. Oregon was more veteran last season than young.
Oregon fans will be saying they're young for years and years as well. That's what happens when you have constant attrition and guys transferring out because they're from across the country and get sick of living in Eugene, OR. Next, Oregon fans will be not only using youth as an excuse but also attrition and injuries from playing players too early in their careers. It's the same exact shit as Sark at UW.
Cristobal isn't out-recruiting UW. UW's 2019 class is better than Oregons. Oregon's off to a fast start as usual in 2020 because they take soft commitments. UW doesn't.
Half the conference was "out-recruiting" Petersen when he showed up to UW based on the star ratings. What happened the years following that? Oh that's right, Petersen built UW into the conferences best program with those lesser rated classes. We have the best coach and Cristobal is down the list. -
Only way they could go was up. They were the most penalized team in the country before last season.lawsandl said:
Oregon was also significantly more penalized the year before last and that got corrected. Things change.StrongArmCobra said:
Your team is significantly worse on the road than at home. Your team got spanked on the road against WSU and Arizona and the Utah game wasn't nearly as close as Oregon made it look. Now you think they're all of a sudden gonna beat Auburn, Stanford, USC, and UW on the road after losing most of their best veteran talent? You're delusional. They won't win a single one of those games and will drop another they should win. If they still can't beat WSU, that's another 6-6 season. I seriously doubt you'll still be posting on this board after the season. You'll disappear after Oregon fails to meet your irrational expectations.DJDuck said:
So I have you jotted down for Oregon going 7-5. I will be sure and look you up on that at the end of the season. If I were you I would be dreaming up excuses already.😂StrongArmCobra said:
Dude, we already know their coaching staff sucks at actually coaching. What happened against WSU, Arizona, and Utah were total debacles for Oregon. Their coaches got them all hyped up for the Stanford and UW games and then after those games they didn't have much left in the tank. That's some retarded Sark bullshit. Get the kids all hyped up for the big home games, and then shit themselves on the road when you can't replicate that same level of energy.Dennis_DeYoung said:Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
They are not doing shit in recruiting after they get exposed on the field this season. They will finish the regular season no better than 7-5 with a first round QB. Half their class will decommit, again. Just wait on it. UW under Sark. UCLA under Mora. USC under Kiffin, Sark, Helton. Tennessee under Butch Jones. Whatever comparison you want to use, they all fit. That's Oregon under Cristobal. Personally, I think Tennessee under Butch Jones is the best comparison because they recruit like the $EC in now and Cristobal is a loud mouthed arrogant prick like Butch Jones.
They suck at coaching and they're not bringing in better talent than UW. They're getting some talented guys but overall they're still weak at recruiting certain positions like ILB, D-line, WR (overrated WR recruits) and O-line (too many fat asses). -
Chris Petersen won his first COY award in his first year after Hawkins left..... but why actually do research you have revisionist history.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Fucking Lol. The talent Hawkins built? I can't tell if youre trolling or not. Hawkins had nothing to do with Petersen's multiple undefeated seasons and COY awards. His last two BSU teams werent his best, but that has shit to do with wanting to compete with the big boys on the biggest stage. He got to the fucking playoff in year 3.LaMichael_Corleone said:
Please, tell me again, how well did his time end at Boise State? Did they build upon the talent that Hawkins & Kellen Moore built or did they max out trying to under recruit and outsmart Nevada, Fresno State, and Air Force.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
If Petersen wanted this to be BSU he would have stayed in Boise. HthLaMichael_Corleone said:
How many times has Pete compared this program to Boise State? If that isn’t trying to be small world successful instead of a Clemson, USC, Miami, Bama like dynasty, not sure what to tell ya.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Dennis_DeYoung said:Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
So many fucking ifs. We are not Stanford, we have already surpassed anything they have done recently. -
You laugh at losing those four guys and yet without those guys Oregon wouldn't have become bowl eligible last season. Just take Mitchell off of Oregon's roster last season and they would have had a losing record. Your perception of Oregon is delusional. They're not nearly as good as you think they are and this season they won't have a cupcake schedule to gain confidence and momentum early in the season. It will be a straight ass kicking right out the gate and then a bunch of really tough road games to follow. That'll be another excuse. The schedule won't be fair to Oregon.lawsandl said:StrongArmCobra said:
Your team is significantly worse on the road than at home. Your team got spanked on the road against WSU and Arizona and the Utah game wasn't nearly as close as Oregon made it look. Now you think they're all of a sudden gonna beat Auburn, Stanford, USC, and UW on the road after losing most of their best veteran talent? You're delusional. They won't win a single one of those games and will drop another they should win. If they still can't beat WSU, that's another 6-6 season. I seriously doubt you'll still be posting on this board after the season. You'll disappear after Oregon fails to meet your irrational expectations.DJDuck said:
So I have you jotted down for Oregon going 7-5. I will be sure and look you up on that at the end of the season. If I were you I would be dreaming up excuses already.😂StrongArmCobra said:
Dude, we already know their coaching staff sucks at actually coaching. What happened against WSU, Arizona, and Utah were total debacles for Oregon. Their coaches got them all hyped up for the Stanford and UW games and then after those games they didn't have much left in the tank. That's some retarded Sark bullshit. Get the kids all hyped up for the big home games, and then shit themselves on the road when you can't replicate that same level of energy.Dennis_DeYoung said:Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
They are not doing shit in recruiting after they get exposed on the field this season. They will finish the regular season no better than 7-5 with a first round QB. Half their class will decommit, again. Just wait on it. UW under Sark. UCLA under Mora. USC under Kiffin, Sark, Helton. Tennessee under Butch Jones. Whatever comparison you want to use, they all fit. That's Oregon under Cristobal. Personally, I think Tennessee under Butch Jones is the best comparison because they recruit like the $EC in now and Cristobal is a loud mouthed arrogant prick like Butch Jones.
They suck at coaching and they're not bringing in better talent than UW. They're getting some talented guys but overall they're still weak at recruiting certain positions like ILB, D-line, WR (overrated WR recruits) and O-line (too many fat asses).
Best veteran talent...like all 4 guys. lol. -
Pretty sure Leavitt was so fed up he just quit because in the latest article about him he said he has no interest to coach and just lives in Boulder hahahahaGladstone said:- Amazes me they fired Leavitt but kept Arroyo. Yikes. Forfeiting an entire season and Herbert’s career until that’s fixed. Surprised the more critical Duck fans aren’t more concerned. Maybe he’ll be better I guess? That’s the plan?
- Oregon had objectively the easiest schedule since at least the formation of the P 12 last year. They also got to play Washington after a bye week, while Washington was coming off a road game. Wilner has written extensively on the P12 suiciding itself like that, accounts for > 50% of top team losses since 2012.
- There is plenty of data on Cristobal as a head coach with middling to comparable talent related to his conference foes. Why are so many in the LIPO camp here? He is not an unknown entity here. The Jim Mora comparison is a good one until he proves he can break through. Meathead recruiter who can jack his team up for home games but hasn’t won anything of consequence.
- I’d be very curious what effect Urban or anyone else at USC would have on Oregon recruiting going forward. Similar fast strategy kids for the most part.
All the Husky angst about Oregon makes me feel like I’m missing something. Oh they are recruiting well? ok -
Lol what a fucking quook. You think an article written by some Oregon blowhard who's job is to hype Oregon up as much as possible is evidence? What an idiot you are.DJDuck said:Oregon's DB room has never been deeper or as talented as 2019
https://247sports.com/college/oregon/Article/Oregon-football-recruiting-DB-room-132036786/ -
Oh got it, so Hawkins was going to do the same thing, right? Hawkins also would have gone undefeated 4 years later for his second COY award.LaMichael_Corleone said:
Chris Petersen won his first COY award in his first year after Hawkins left..... but why actually do research you have revisionist history.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Fucking Lol. The talent Hawkins built? I can't tell if youre trolling or not. Hawkins had nothing to do with Petersen's multiple undefeated seasons and COY awards. His last two BSU teams werent his best, but that has shit to do with wanting to compete with the big boys on the biggest stage. He got to the fucking playoff in year 3.LaMichael_Corleone said:
Please, tell me again, how well did his time end at Boise State? Did they build upon the talent that Hawkins & Kellen Moore built or did they max out trying to under recruit and outsmart Nevada, Fresno State, and Air Force.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
If Petersen wanted this to be BSU he would have stayed in Boise. HthLaMichael_Corleone said:
How many times has Pete compared this program to Boise State? If that isn’t trying to be small world successful instead of a Clemson, USC, Miami, Bama like dynasty, not sure what to tell ya.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Dennis_DeYoung said:Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
So many fucking ifs. We are not Stanford, we have already surpassed anything they have done recently.
How about we look and see what Pete did at a P5 school versus how Hawkins did.
Are we fucking done here? -
You should know why Leavitt was fired. He figured he was on his way to a HC job and was not recruiting. Avalos is considered an excellent coach and was a big pick up for Oregon.Gladstone said:- Amazes me they fired Leavitt but kept Arroyo. Yikes. Forfeiting an entire season and Herbert’s career until that’s fixed. Surprised the more critical Duck fans aren’t more concerned. Maybe he’ll be better I guess? That’s the plan?
- Oregon had objectively the easiest schedule since at least the formation of the P 12 last year. They also got to play Washington after a bye week, while Washington was coming off a road game. Wilner has written extensively on the P12 suiciding itself like that, accounts for > 50% of top team losses since 2012.
- There is plenty of data on Cristobal as a head coach with middling to comparable talent related to his conference foes. Why are so many in the LIPO camp here? He is not an unknown entity here. The Jim Mora comparison is a good one until he proves he can break through. Meathead recruiter who can jack his team up for home games but hasn’t won anything of consequence.
- I’d be very curious what effect Urban or anyone else at USC would have on Oregon recruiting going forward. Similar fast strategy kids for the most part.
All the Husky angst about Oregon makes me feel like I’m missing something. Oh they are recruiting well? ok
I agree that the schedule was easy last year. Oregon could go 9-3 and be miles better. In fact, I see that as a likely scenario.
Jury is out on Cristobal’s pedigree as a HC. He can recruit. He runs a tight ship. The team is much more disciplined. Is he out scheming teams? I don’t think he will ever be an X’s and O’s genius and I believe he wants to overpower teams anyway. Arroyo is supposed to be that guy. I have reservations.
Jim Mora is another poor example as well as Sark. Cristobal’s roster management is superb and discipline is excellent. Mora left huge holes in the roster and his teams played out of control.
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We went to the Playoff in a year we would have won the Rose Bowl in years past. Stanford won a RB, we got a playoff appearance.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Except for that whole win a major bowl game thing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Dennis_DeYoung said:Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
So many fucking ifs. We are not Stanford, we have already surpassed anything they have done recently.
But yes everyone agrees Pete needs to fucking win a big ooc game -
Yeah sure, just wait until guys start transferring out of the program that you as a fan don't want transferring out. His roster management is retarded. He over recruits and lies to kids about early playing time. That leads to attrition and transfers which then leads to a lack of depth or experience or both. Just give it another year or two. The attrition is coming and not just from kids getting "processed".lawsandl said:
You should know why Leavitt was fired. He figured he was on his way to a HC job and was not recruiting. Avalos is considered an excellent coach and was a big pick up for Oregon.Gladstone said:- Amazes me they fired Leavitt but kept Arroyo. Yikes. Forfeiting an entire season and Herbert’s career until that’s fixed. Surprised the more critical Duck fans aren’t more concerned. Maybe he’ll be better I guess? That’s the plan?
- Oregon had objectively the easiest schedule since at least the formation of the P 12 last year. They also got to play Washington after a bye week, while Washington was coming off a road game. Wilner has written extensively on the P12 suiciding itself like that, accounts for > 50% of top team losses since 2012.
- There is plenty of data on Cristobal as a head coach with middling to comparable talent related to his conference foes. Why are so many in the LIPO camp here? He is not an unknown entity here. The Jim Mora comparison is a good one until he proves he can break through. Meathead recruiter who can jack his team up for home games but hasn’t won anything of consequence.
- I’d be very curious what effect Urban or anyone else at USC would have on Oregon recruiting going forward. Similar fast strategy kids for the most part.
All the Husky angst about Oregon makes me feel like I’m missing something. Oh they are recruiting well? ok
I agree that the schedule was easy last year. Oregon could go 9-3 and be miles better. In fact, I see that as a likely scenario.
Jury is out on Cristobal’s pedigree as a HC. He can recruit. He runs a tight ship. The team is much more disciplined. Is he out scheming teams? I don’t think he will ever be an X’s and O’s genius and I believe he wants to overpower teams anyway. Arroyo is supposed to be that guy. I have reservations.
Jim Mora is another poor example as well as Sark. Cristobal’s roster management is superb and discipline is excellent. Mora left huge holes in the roster and his teams played out of control.
Oregon won't be overpowering anybody. Fat ass lineman that aren't athletic and can't move their feet get your ass beat. Everybody wants big lineman. But they have to first and foremost be athletic which most of Cristobal's O-line recruits are not. Don't forget he was demoted as an assistant at Alabama from O-line coach to Tackles and TE's coach. Saban liked his recruiting with the Alabama brand behind him but didn't like his coaching acumen as much. -
I have heard recruits in interviews say that playing time is not being guaranteed and the staff is recruiting to replace them with someone better. Justin at scoopduck gets recruits to talk on his podcast all the time. You’re listening to garbage.StrongArmCobra said:
Yeah sure, just wait until guys start transferring out of the program that you as a fan don't want transferring out. His roster management is retarded. He over recruits and lies to kids about early playing time. That leads to attrition and transfers which then leads to a lack of depth or experience or both. Just give it another year or two. The attrition is coming and not just from kids getting "processed".lawsandl said:
You should know why Leavitt was fired. He figured he was on his way to a HC job and was not recruiting. Avalos is considered an excellent coach and was a big pick up for Oregon.Gladstone said:- Amazes me they fired Leavitt but kept Arroyo. Yikes. Forfeiting an entire season and Herbert’s career until that’s fixed. Surprised the more critical Duck fans aren’t more concerned. Maybe he’ll be better I guess? That’s the plan?
- Oregon had objectively the easiest schedule since at least the formation of the P 12 last year. They also got to play Washington after a bye week, while Washington was coming off a road game. Wilner has written extensively on the P12 suiciding itself like that, accounts for > 50% of top team losses since 2012.
- There is plenty of data on Cristobal as a head coach with middling to comparable talent related to his conference foes. Why are so many in the LIPO camp here? He is not an unknown entity here. The Jim Mora comparison is a good one until he proves he can break through. Meathead recruiter who can jack his team up for home games but hasn’t won anything of consequence.
- I’d be very curious what effect Urban or anyone else at USC would have on Oregon recruiting going forward. Similar fast strategy kids for the most part.
All the Husky angst about Oregon makes me feel like I’m missing something. Oh they are recruiting well? ok
I agree that the schedule was easy last year. Oregon could go 9-3 and be miles better. In fact, I see that as a likely scenario.
Jury is out on Cristobal’s pedigree as a HC. He can recruit. He runs a tight ship. The team is much more disciplined. Is he out scheming teams? I don’t think he will ever be an X’s and O’s genius and I believe he wants to overpower teams anyway. Arroyo is supposed to be that guy. I have reservations.
Jim Mora is another poor example as well as Sark. Cristobal’s roster management is superb and discipline is excellent. Mora left huge holes in the roster and his teams played out of control.
Oregon won't be overpowering anybody. Fat ass lineman that aren't athletic and can't move their feet get your ass beat. Everybody wants big lineman. But they have to first and foremost be athletic which most of Cristobal's O-line recruits are not. Don't forget he was demoted as an assistant at Alabama from O-line coach to Tackles and TE's coach. Saban liked his recruiting but didn't like his coaching acumen.
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That's bullshit. "Early paying time" has been the big sell for Oregon the past three years and still is. I've read it in interview after interview. They'll continue to sell that as they continue to have mediocre 6-8 win seasons. The rest of their bullshit pitch is fake hype talking about winning national championships at Oregon before they have even won a conference title. Recruits won't buy that shit much longer if they don't prove it on the field which they won't.lawsandl said:
I have heard recruits in interviews say that playing time is not being guaranteed and the staff is recruiting to replace them with someone better. Justin at scoopduck gets recruits to talk on his podcast all the time. You’re listening to garbage.StrongArmCobra said:
Yeah sure, just wait until guys start transferring out of the program that you as a fan don't want transferring out. His roster management is retarded. He over recruits and lies to kids about early playing time. That leads to attrition and transfers which then leads to a lack of depth or experience or both. Just give it another year or two. The attrition is coming and not just from kids getting "processed".lawsandl said:
You should know why Leavitt was fired. He figured he was on his way to a HC job and was not recruiting. Avalos is considered an excellent coach and was a big pick up for Oregon.Gladstone said:- Amazes me they fired Leavitt but kept Arroyo. Yikes. Forfeiting an entire season and Herbert’s career until that’s fixed. Surprised the more critical Duck fans aren’t more concerned. Maybe he’ll be better I guess? That’s the plan?
- Oregon had objectively the easiest schedule since at least the formation of the P 12 last year. They also got to play Washington after a bye week, while Washington was coming off a road game. Wilner has written extensively on the P12 suiciding itself like that, accounts for > 50% of top team losses since 2012.
- There is plenty of data on Cristobal as a head coach with middling to comparable talent related to his conference foes. Why are so many in the LIPO camp here? He is not an unknown entity here. The Jim Mora comparison is a good one until he proves he can break through. Meathead recruiter who can jack his team up for home games but hasn’t won anything of consequence.
- I’d be very curious what effect Urban or anyone else at USC would have on Oregon recruiting going forward. Similar fast strategy kids for the most part.
All the Husky angst about Oregon makes me feel like I’m missing something. Oh they are recruiting well? ok
I agree that the schedule was easy last year. Oregon could go 9-3 and be miles better. In fact, I see that as a likely scenario.
Jury is out on Cristobal’s pedigree as a HC. He can recruit. He runs a tight ship. The team is much more disciplined. Is he out scheming teams? I don’t think he will ever be an X’s and O’s genius and I believe he wants to overpower teams anyway. Arroyo is supposed to be that guy. I have reservations.
Jim Mora is another poor example as well as Sark. Cristobal’s roster management is superb and discipline is excellent. Mora left huge holes in the roster and his teams played out of control.
Oregon won't be overpowering anybody. Fat ass lineman that aren't athletic and can't move their feet get your ass beat. Everybody wants big lineman. But they have to first and foremost be athletic which most of Cristobal's O-line recruits are not. Don't forget he was demoted as an assistant at Alabama from O-line coach to Tackles and TE's coach. Saban liked his recruiting but didn't like his coaching acumen. -
Building and acquiring talent are different from coaching. Pete is the best coach and talent developer in the country. Period.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Oh got it, so Hawkins was going to do the same thing, right? Hawkins also would have gone undefeated 4 years later for his second COY award.LaMichael_Corleone said:
Chris Petersen won his first COY award in his first year after Hawkins left..... but why actually do research you have revisionist history.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Fucking Lol. The talent Hawkins built? I can't tell if youre trolling or not. Hawkins had nothing to do with Petersen's multiple undefeated seasons and COY awards. His last two BSU teams werent his best, but that has shit to do with wanting to compete with the big boys on the biggest stage. He got to the fucking playoff in year 3.LaMichael_Corleone said:
Please, tell me again, how well did his time end at Boise State? Did they build upon the talent that Hawkins & Kellen Moore built or did they max out trying to under recruit and outsmart Nevada, Fresno State, and Air Force.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
If Petersen wanted this to be BSU he would have stayed in Boise. HthLaMichael_Corleone said:
How many times has Pete compared this program to Boise State? If that isn’t trying to be small world successful instead of a Clemson, USC, Miami, Bama like dynasty, not sure what to tell ya.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Dennis_DeYoung said:Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
So many fucking ifs. We are not Stanford, we have already surpassed anything they have done recently.
How about we look and see what Pete did at a P5 school versus how Hawkins did.
Are we fucking done here?
I’m not saying Dan Hawkins is the fucking man, I’m saying Pete thinks he’s such a good coach he can make up for meh recruiting and we already saw how that played out. Pete’s first year with Hawkins players he goes undefeated and beats Adrian Peterson and OU. From then on he should’ve been able to build and recruit a team so talented it never lost to a WAC-MWC team again. The last year of Hawkins influences recruits was 2009 where Boise State went undefeated. After that he lost to a MWC opponent every year including two losses in 2013 that also saw Boise State get blown out by a coaching retard named Sark.
How come it’s so easy for us to assume Oregon is going to get these top Cali guys (Steele, Addison, Thibodeaux, Navarette, Mykael Wright, Pittman) but our first instinct as UDUB fans is to say “we have no shot”? There’s a fucking reason for that. -
Just listened to Steele -StrongArmCobra said:
That's bullshit. "Early paying time" has been the big sell for Oregon the past three years and still is. I've read it in interview after interview. They'll continue to sell that as they continue to have mediocre 6-8 win seasons. The rest of their bullshit pitch is fake hype talking about winning national championships at Oregon before they have even won a conference title. Recruits won't buy that shit much longer if they don't prove it on the field which they won't.lawsandl said:
I have heard recruits in interviews say that playing time is not being guaranteed and the staff is recruiting to replace them with someone better. Justin at scoopduck gets recruits to talk on his podcast all the time. You’re listening to garbage.StrongArmCobra said:
Yeah sure, just wait until guys start transferring out of the program that you as a fan don't want transferring out. His roster management is retarded. He over recruits and lies to kids about early playing time. That leads to attrition and transfers which then leads to a lack of depth or experience or both. Just give it another year or two. The attrition is coming and not just from kids getting "processed".lawsandl said:
You should know why Leavitt was fired. He figured he was on his way to a HC job and was not recruiting. Avalos is considered an excellent coach and was a big pick up for Oregon.Gladstone said:- Amazes me they fired Leavitt but kept Arroyo. Yikes. Forfeiting an entire season and Herbert’s career until that’s fixed. Surprised the more critical Duck fans aren’t more concerned. Maybe he’ll be better I guess? That’s the plan?
- Oregon had objectively the easiest schedule since at least the formation of the P 12 last year. They also got to play Washington after a bye week, while Washington was coming off a road game. Wilner has written extensively on the P12 suiciding itself like that, accounts for > 50% of top team losses since 2012.
- There is plenty of data on Cristobal as a head coach with middling to comparable talent related to his conference foes. Why are so many in the LIPO camp here? He is not an unknown entity here. The Jim Mora comparison is a good one until he proves he can break through. Meathead recruiter who can jack his team up for home games but hasn’t won anything of consequence.
- I’d be very curious what effect Urban or anyone else at USC would have on Oregon recruiting going forward. Similar fast strategy kids for the most part.
All the Husky angst about Oregon makes me feel like I’m missing something. Oh they are recruiting well? ok
I agree that the schedule was easy last year. Oregon could go 9-3 and be miles better. In fact, I see that as a likely scenario.
Jury is out on Cristobal’s pedigree as a HC. He can recruit. He runs a tight ship. The team is much more disciplined. Is he out scheming teams? I don’t think he will ever be an X’s and O’s genius and I believe he wants to overpower teams anyway. Arroyo is supposed to be that guy. I have reservations.
Jim Mora is another poor example as well as Sark. Cristobal’s roster management is superb and discipline is excellent. Mora left huge holes in the roster and his teams played out of control.
Oregon won't be overpowering anybody. Fat ass lineman that aren't athletic and can't move their feet get your ass beat. Everybody wants big lineman. But they have to first and foremost be athletic which most of Cristobal's O-line recruits are not. Don't forget he was demoted as an assistant at Alabama from O-line coach to Tackles and TE's coach. Saban liked his recruiting but didn't like his coaching acumen.
1) relationships
2) family atmosphere
3) development of Graham’s technique since high school
4) commitment to weight room
He thinks the db unit will be best in PAC. No mention of early PT.
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Cristobol is a better recruiting Sark. Not worried.
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LaMichael_Corleone said:
Building and acquiring talent are different from coaching. Pete is the best coach and talent developer in the country. Period.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Oh got it, so Hawkins was going to do the same thing, right? Hawkins also would have gone undefeated 4 years later for his second COY award.LaMichael_Corleone said:
Chris Petersen won his first COY award in his first year after Hawkins left..... but why actually do research you have revisionist history.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Fucking Lol. The talent Hawkins built? I can't tell if youre trolling or not. Hawkins had nothing to do with Petersen's multiple undefeated seasons and COY awards. His last two BSU teams werent his best, but that has shit to do with wanting to compete with the big boys on the biggest stage. He got to the fucking playoff in year 3.LaMichael_Corleone said:
Please, tell me again, how well did his time end at Boise State? Did they build upon the talent that Hawkins & Kellen Moore built or did they max out trying to under recruit and outsmart Nevada, Fresno State, and Air Force.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
If Petersen wanted this to be BSU he would have stayed in Boise. HthLaMichael_Corleone said:
How many times has Pete compared this program to Boise State? If that isn’t trying to be small world successful instead of a Clemson, USC, Miami, Bama like dynasty, not sure what to tell ya.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Dennis_DeYoung said:Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
So many fucking ifs. We are not Stanford, we have already surpassed anything they have done recently.
How about we look and see what Pete did at a P5 school versus how Hawkins did.
Are we fucking done here?
I’m not saying Dan Hawkins is the fucking man, I’m saying Pete thinks he’s such a good coach he can make up for meh recruiting and we already saw how that played out. Pete’s first year with Hawkins players he goes undefeated and beats Adrian Peterson and OU. From then on he should’ve been able to build and recruit a team so talented it never lost to a WAC-MWC team again. The last year of Hawkins influences recruits was 2009 where Boise State went undefeated. After that he lost to a MWC opponent every year including two losses in 2013 that also saw Boise State get blown out by a coaching retard named Sark.
How come it’s so easy for us to assume Oregon is going to get these top Cali guys (Steele, Addison, Thibodeaux, Navarette, Mykael Wright, Pittman) but our first instinct as UDUB fans is to say “we have no shot”? There’s a fucking reason for that.
You overthink this. Oregon brands itself as flashy throwing around Nike money. If UW tried to do that it would come off as wannabe Oregon. -
Dude, you are so fucking off base it's insane. Do you even follow UW recruiting closely? You are looking at Oregon recruits with envy and yet UW didn't want most of them. Some guys just aren't hard working enough. Some are too self-centered. Some want to be paid. Some don't have the grades. On top of UW passing on most of those guys, they also got recruits that they think are just as talented if not more talented players than them:LaMichael_Corleone said:
Building and acquiring talent are different from coaching. Pete is the best coach and talent developer in the country. Period.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Oh got it, so Hawkins was going to do the same thing, right? Hawkins also would have gone undefeated 4 years later for his second COY award.LaMichael_Corleone said:
Chris Petersen won his first COY award in his first year after Hawkins left..... but why actually do research you have revisionist history.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Fucking Lol. The talent Hawkins built? I can't tell if youre trolling or not. Hawkins had nothing to do with Petersen's multiple undefeated seasons and COY awards. His last two BSU teams werent his best, but that has shit to do with wanting to compete with the big boys on the biggest stage. He got to the fucking playoff in year 3.LaMichael_Corleone said:
Please, tell me again, how well did his time end at Boise State? Did they build upon the talent that Hawkins & Kellen Moore built or did they max out trying to under recruit and outsmart Nevada, Fresno State, and Air Force.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
If Petersen wanted this to be BSU he would have stayed in Boise. HthLaMichael_Corleone said:
How many times has Pete compared this program to Boise State? If that isn’t trying to be small world successful instead of a Clemson, USC, Miami, Bama like dynasty, not sure what to tell ya.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Dennis_DeYoung said:Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
So many fucking ifs. We are not Stanford, we have already surpassed anything they have done recently.
How about we look and see what Pete did at a P5 school versus how Hawkins did.
Are we fucking done here?
I’m not saying Dan Hawkins is the fucking man, I’m saying Pete thinks he’s such a good coach he can make up for meh recruiting and we already saw how that played out. Pete’s first year with Hawkins players he goes undefeated and beats Adrian Peterson and OU. From then on he should’ve been able to build and recruit a team so talented it never lost to a WAC-MWC team again. The last year of Hawkins influences recruits was 2009 where Boise State went undefeated. After that he lost to a MWC opponent every year including two losses in 2013 that also saw Boise State get blown out by a coaching retard named Sark.
How come it’s so easy for us to assume Oregon is going to get these top Cali guys (Steele, Addison, Thibodeaux, Navarette, Mykael Wright, Pittman) but our first instinct as UDUB fans is to say “we have no shot”? There’s a fucking reason for that.
Latu > Thibodeaux
Puka Nacua and Taj Davis > Pittman
Kam Fab and Trent McDuffie > Steele and Wright
Austin Osborne and Marquis Spiker > Addison
The only real guy you can bitch about who we legitimately wanted is Navarette and I'd bet my pay check he doesn't sign with Oregon anyways. The grass is not greener on the other side. They're not bringing in better talent than us. -
That's one fucking recruit. I can look up dozens of recruit interviews mentioning early playing time being a factor in their interest in Oregon or commitment to Oregon. You're fucking kidding yourself. And of course he thinks Oregon's DB unit will be the best. False confidence, hype, and idiocy are staples of Cristobal's program. Oregon talks the talk. UW walks the walk.lawsandl said:
Just listened to Steele -StrongArmCobra said:
That's bullshit. "Early paying time" has been the big sell for Oregon the past three years and still is. I've read it in interview after interview. They'll continue to sell that as they continue to have mediocre 6-8 win seasons. The rest of their bullshit pitch is fake hype talking about winning national championships at Oregon before they have even won a conference title. Recruits won't buy that shit much longer if they don't prove it on the field which they won't.lawsandl said:
I have heard recruits in interviews say that playing time is not being guaranteed and the staff is recruiting to replace them with someone better. Justin at scoopduck gets recruits to talk on his podcast all the time. You’re listening to garbage.StrongArmCobra said:
Yeah sure, just wait until guys start transferring out of the program that you as a fan don't want transferring out. His roster management is retarded. He over recruits and lies to kids about early playing time. That leads to attrition and transfers which then leads to a lack of depth or experience or both. Just give it another year or two. The attrition is coming and not just from kids getting "processed".lawsandl said:
You should know why Leavitt was fired. He figured he was on his way to a HC job and was not recruiting. Avalos is considered an excellent coach and was a big pick up for Oregon.Gladstone said:- Amazes me they fired Leavitt but kept Arroyo. Yikes. Forfeiting an entire season and Herbert’s career until that’s fixed. Surprised the more critical Duck fans aren’t more concerned. Maybe he’ll be better I guess? That’s the plan?
- Oregon had objectively the easiest schedule since at least the formation of the P 12 last year. They also got to play Washington after a bye week, while Washington was coming off a road game. Wilner has written extensively on the P12 suiciding itself like that, accounts for > 50% of top team losses since 2012.
- There is plenty of data on Cristobal as a head coach with middling to comparable talent related to his conference foes. Why are so many in the LIPO camp here? He is not an unknown entity here. The Jim Mora comparison is a good one until he proves he can break through. Meathead recruiter who can jack his team up for home games but hasn’t won anything of consequence.
- I’d be very curious what effect Urban or anyone else at USC would have on Oregon recruiting going forward. Similar fast strategy kids for the most part.
All the Husky angst about Oregon makes me feel like I’m missing something. Oh they are recruiting well? ok
I agree that the schedule was easy last year. Oregon could go 9-3 and be miles better. In fact, I see that as a likely scenario.
Jury is out on Cristobal’s pedigree as a HC. He can recruit. He runs a tight ship. The team is much more disciplined. Is he out scheming teams? I don’t think he will ever be an X’s and O’s genius and I believe he wants to overpower teams anyway. Arroyo is supposed to be that guy. I have reservations.
Jim Mora is another poor example as well as Sark. Cristobal’s roster management is superb and discipline is excellent. Mora left huge holes in the roster and his teams played out of control.
Oregon won't be overpowering anybody. Fat ass lineman that aren't athletic and can't move their feet get your ass beat. Everybody wants big lineman. But they have to first and foremost be athletic which most of Cristobal's O-line recruits are not. Don't forget he was demoted as an assistant at Alabama from O-line coach to Tackles and TE's coach. Saban liked his recruiting but didn't like his coaching acumen.
1) relationships
2) family atmosphere
3) development of Graham’s technique since high school
4) commitment to weight room
He thinks the db unit will be best in PAC. No mention of early PT. -
They held an alleged top 5 NFL draft pick to 202 yards onDJDuck said:
Just keep thinking that. It seems they weren’t that effective vs Oregon in Eugene.MakaDawg said:Anyone bragging about how their secondary played against UW's offense is a fucking idiot.
Anyone who thinks Oregon's secondary is better than UW's is a fucking idiot.
Anyone saying Chris Steele isn't a talented recruit and/or UW shouldn't want him is also a fucking idiot.
I'm dumber just for having read this thread, so now I too am a fucking idiot.
You are whistling past the graveyard.
I’m not bragging about our secondary. I’m just responding to your ignorant opinions.
Key word: his first.LaMichael_Corleone said:
Chris Petersen won his first COY award in his first year after Hawkins left..... but why actually do research you have revisionist history.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Fucking Lol. The talent Hawkins built? I can't tell if youre trolling or not. Hawkins had nothing to do with Petersen's multiple undefeated seasons and COY awards. His last two BSU teams werent his best, but that has shit to do with wanting to compete with the big boys on the biggest stage. He got to the fucking playoff in year 3.LaMichael_Corleone said:
Please, tell me again, how well did his time end at Boise State? Did they build upon the talent that Hawkins & Kellen Moore built or did they max out trying to under recruit and outsmart Nevada, Fresno State, and Air Force.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
If Petersen wanted this to be BSU he would have stayed in Boise. HthLaMichael_Corleone said:
How many times has Pete compared this program to Boise State? If that isn’t trying to be small world successful instead of a Clemson, USC, Miami, Bama like dynasty, not sure what to tell ya.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Dennis_DeYoung said:Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
So many fucking ifs. We are not Stanford, we have already surpassed anything they have done recently.
Pete did stuff at Boise Hawkins never dreamed of. Boise has a clear program climax and it coincided almost perfectly with the years Pete was there.
He may or may not get us to get the promised land but he’s in no way Dan fucking Hawkins.
