Oregon is loading up on talented dbs that went to like 4 different high schools. They are very talented but Donte Williams does not scare me as a db coach.
Wouldn't say they're loading up yet. Graham and Lenoir have both been disappointments so far and both were high 4-star recruits. Either they were overrated to begin with or they have shit coaching or both.
Very disappointing. They just played their sophomore year, and neither is Richard Sherman or prime Charles Woodson. Instead this is what we got from them last year:
I expected more than 120 tackles and 6 INTs from Graham by now. He's knocked down more passes than anyone in two years of Pac-12 play, but that just means he's not intercepting them and getting thrown at a lot. On the list of the top-100 draft eligible prospects Thomas Graham is barely above scrub recruits like Najee Harris and Jeffrey Okudah.
But I'll take your word over my eyes and expert opinions, because you do have a great track record with predicting what will happen to Oregon CBs.
No Oregon fan here thinks the secondary is better than Washington’s. However, the gap is closing. Also, if you haven’t seen improvement from Graham and Lenoir you’re not watching. The corners are being developed too. Holland was worlds better by the end of the year. McKinley and Steele will compete for the nickel spot. Oregon will be able to rotate at the traditional cbs and safety spots for the first time in years. Keeping players fresh and competition will only improve the unit.
Oregon is loading up on talented dbs that went to like 4 different high schools. They are very talented but Donte Williams does not scare me as a db coach.
Wouldn't say they're loading up yet. Graham and Lenoir have both been disappointments so far and both were high 4-star recruits. Either they were overrated to begin with or they have shit coaching or both.
Very disappointing. They just played their sophomore year, and neither is Richard Sherman or prime Charles Woodson. Instead this is what we got from them last year:
I expected more than 120 tackles and 6 INTs from Graham by now. He's knocked down more passes than anyone in two years of Pac-12 play, but that just means he's not intercepting them and getting thrown at a lot. On the list of the top-100 draft eligible prospects Thomas Graham is barely above scrub recruits like Najee Harris and Jeffrey Okudah.
But I'll take your word over my eyes and expert opinions, because you do have a great track record with predicting what will happen to Oregon CBs.
I watched Graham get his ass whooped against San Jose State, WSU, and Arizona. He also gave up a 50 yard bomb to Ty Jones against UW. You must have not been watching the games when that happened. How many of those pass break ups were against Oregon's cupcake nonconference schedule? How was Graham rated by PFF compared to Byron Murphy? Why wasn't he voted to an All-Conference team by the conference's coach's. Hmmmm? Graham is fine defending the short stuff but can be beat deep pretty easily. I'll take my eyes and the expert opinions of the conference's coaches over your likely skewed and misleading stats.
Dude, I'm on 247 reading other teams boards for info all the time. Last season your fan base was bitching about how disappointing your secondary was against WSU and Arizona and other games as well. Now you want to try to defend them when your own fan base put them on blast.
Oh, and Mykael Wright was a non-qualifier out of high school. He would have had to go JUCO if a school like Oregon didn't game the system for him and allow him to enroll at Oregon while simultaneously taking community college classes to become eligible. Just another way Oregon is bending, if not breaking the rules to get who they want. $EC of the West.
Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
Oregon is loading up on talented dbs that went to like 4 different high schools. They are very talented but Donte Williams does not scare me as a db coach.
Wouldn't say they're loading up yet. Graham and Lenoir have both been disappointments so far and both were high 4-star recruits. Either they were overrated to begin with or they have shit coaching or both.
Very disappointing. They just played their sophomore year, and neither is Richard Sherman or prime Charles Woodson. Instead this is what we got from them last year:
I expected more than 120 tackles and 6 INTs from Graham by now. He's knocked down more passes than anyone in two years of Pac-12 play, but that just means he's not intercepting them and getting thrown at a lot. On the list of the top-100 draft eligible prospects Thomas Graham is barely above scrub recruits like Najee Harris and Jeffrey Okudah.
But I'll take your word over my eyes and expert opinions, because you do have a great track record with predicting what will happen to Oregon CBs.
I watched Graham get his ass whooped against San Jose State, WSU, and Arizona. He also gave up a 50 yard bomb to Ty Jones against UW. You must have not been watching the games when that happened. How many of those pass break ups were against Oregon's cupcake nonconference schedule? How was Graham rated by PFF compared to Byron Murphy? Why wasn't he voted to an All-Conference team by the conference's coach's. Hmmmm? Graham is fine defending the short stuff but can be beat deep pretty easily. I'll take my eyes and the expert opinions of the conference's coaches over your likely skewed and misleading stats.
Dude, I'm on 247 reading other teams boards for info all the time. Last season your fan base was bitching about how disappointing your secondary was against WSU and Arizona and other games as well. Now you want to try to defend them when your own fan base put them on blast.
Oh, and Mykael Wright was a non-qualifier out of high school. He would have had to go JUCO if a school like Oregon didn't game the system for him and allow him to enroll at Oregon while simultaneously taking community college classes to become eligible. Just another way Oregon is bending, if not breaking the rules to get who they want. $EC of the West.
The Arizona debacle had a lot to do with new ILBa getting roasted in the RPO game. This has been explained over and over to you. You’re insufferable. Yes, Graham got beat at times last year. Again, he was a true sophomore.
Oregon is loading up on talented dbs that went to like 4 different high schools. They are very talented but Donte Williams does not scare me as a db coach.
Wouldn't say they're loading up yet. Graham and Lenoir have both been disappointments so far and both were high 4-star recruits. Either they were overrated to begin with or they have shit coaching or both.
Very disappointing. They just played their sophomore year, and neither is Richard Sherman or prime Charles Woodson. Instead this is what we got from them last year:
I expected more than 120 tackles and 6 INTs from Graham by now. He's knocked down more passes than anyone in two years of Pac-12 play, but that just means he's not intercepting them and getting thrown at a lot. On the list of the top-100 draft eligible prospects Thomas Graham is barely above scrub recruits like Najee Harris and Jeffrey Okudah.
But I'll take your word over my eyes and expert opinions, because you do have a great track record with predicting what will happen to Oregon CBs.
I watched Graham get his ass whooped against San Jose State, WSU, and Arizona. He also gave up a 50 yard bomb to Ty Jones against UW. You must have not been watching the games when that happened. How many of those pass break ups were against Oregon's cupcake nonconference schedule? How was Graham rated by PFF compared to Byron Murphy? Why wasn't he voted to an All-Conference team by the conference's coach's. Hmmmm? Graham is fine defending the short stuff but can be beat deep pretty easily. I'll take my eyes and the expert opinions of the conference's coaches over your likely skewed and misleading stats.
Dude, I'm on 247 reading other teams boards for info all the time. Last season your fan base was bitching about how disappointing your secondary was against WSU and Arizona and other games as well. Now you want to try to defend them when your own fan base put them on blast.
Oh, and Mykael Wright was a non-qualifier out of high school. He would have had to go JUCO if a school like Oregon didn't game the system for him and allow him to enroll at Oregon while simultaneously taking community college classes to become eligible. Just another way Oregon is bending, if not breaking the rules to get who they want. $EC of the West.
The Arizona debacle had a lot to do with new ILBa getting roasted in the RPO game. This has been explained over and over to you. You’re insufferable. Yes, Graham got beat at times last year. Again, he was a true sophomore.
Byron Murphy wasn't getting beat deep when he was a RS Freshman. Graham was rated higher than him coming out of high school was he not? Like I said, overrated.
Oregon is loading up on talented dbs that went to like 4 different high schools. They are very talented but Donte Williams does not scare me as a db coach.
Wouldn't say they're loading up yet. Graham and Lenoir have both been disappointments so far and both were high 4-star recruits. Either they were overrated to begin with or they have shit coaching or both.
Very disappointing. They just played their sophomore year, and neither is Richard Sherman or prime Charles Woodson. Instead this is what we got from them last year:
I expected more than 120 tackles and 6 INTs from Graham by now. He's knocked down more passes than anyone in two years of Pac-12 play, but that just means he's not intercepting them and getting thrown at a lot. On the list of the top-100 draft eligible prospects Thomas Graham is barely above scrub recruits like Najee Harris and Jeffrey Okudah.
But I'll take your word over my eyes and expert opinions, because you do have a great track record with predicting what will happen to Oregon CBs.
Oregon is fucking doing the damn thing in recruiting. If we recruited just 50% more like Oregon, we'd be Clemson. Instead we are going to be Stanford. Woohoo.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
Dude, we already know their coaching staff sucks at actually coaching. What happened against WSU, Arizona, and Utah were total debacles for Oregon. Their coaches got them all hyped up for the Stanford and UW games and then after those games they didn't have much left in the tank. That's some retarded Sark bullshit. Get the kids all hyped up for the big home games, and then shit themselves on the road when you can't replicate that same level of energy.
They are not doing shit in recruiting after they get exposed on the field this season. They will finish the regular season no better than 7-5 with a first round QB. Half their class will decommit, again. Just wait on it. UW under Sark. UCLA under Mora. USC under Kiffin, Sark, Helton. Tennessee under Butch Jones. Whatever comparison you want to use, they all fit. That's Oregon under Cristobal. Personally, I think Tennessee under Butch Jones is the best comparison because they recruit like the $EC in now and Cristobal is a loud mouthed arrogant prick like Butch Jones.
They suck at coaching and they're not bringing in better talent than UW. They're getting some talented guys but overall they're still weak at recruiting certain positions like ILB, D-line, WR (overrated WR recruits) and O-line (too many fat asses).
Jesus fucking Christ I never want to see StrongArm and DJFuck in another fucking thread again.
DJD: it’s “Mykael” not Michael and everyone on here knows him because he was by far & away the number 1 CB in the country who couldnt qualify anywhere but Oregon and ASU. I’ll give you a pass on because at least you don’t claim to be black while StrongArm hates all black kids who enjoy the fruits of their labor while claiming he’s black but just being weird about racial shit
Strong Arm: get the fuck back on your meds because you were doing so well up until like 3 days ago. Lenoir hasn’t been that good but Graham is one of if not the best CB in the PAC-12 because Heyward/Leavitt basically use the exact same DB development plan as Pete, see Colorado’s DB success when Leavitt was there.
Oregon is loading up on talented dbs that went to like 4 different high schools. They are very talented but Donte Williams does not scare me as a db coach.
Wouldn't say they're loading up yet. Graham and Lenoir have both been disappointments so far and both were high 4-star recruits. Either they were overrated to begin with or they have shit coaching or both.
Very disappointing. They just played their sophomore year, and neither is Richard Sherman or prime Charles Woodson. Instead this is what we got from them last year:
I expected more than 120 tackles and 6 INTs from Graham by now. He's knocked down more passes than anyone in two years of Pac-12 play, but that just means he's not intercepting them and getting thrown at a lot. On the list of the top-100 draft eligible prospects Thomas Graham is barely above scrub recruits like Najee Harris and Jeffrey Okudah.
But I'll take your word over my eyes and expert opinions, because you do have a great track record with predicting what will happen to Oregon CBs.
I watched Graham get his ass whooped against San Jose State, WSU, and Arizona. He also gave up a 50 yard bomb to Ty Jones against UW. You must have not been watching the games when that happened. How many of those pass break ups were against Oregon's cupcake nonconference schedule? How was Graham rated by PFF compared to Byron Murphy? Why wasn't he voted to an All-Conference team by the conference's coach's. Hmmmm? Graham is fine defending the short stuff but can be beat deep pretty easily. I'll take my eyes and the expert opinions of the conference's coaches over your likely skewed and misleading stats.
Dude, I'm on 247 reading other teams boards for info all the time. Last season your fan base was bitching about how disappointing your secondary was against WSU and Arizona and other games as well. Now you want to try to defend them when your own fan base put them on blast.
Oh, and Mykael Wright was a non-qualifier out of high school. He would have had to go JUCO if a school like Oregon didn't game the system for him and allow him to enroll at Oregon while simultaneously taking community college classes to become eligible. Just another way Oregon is bending, if not breaking the rules to get who they want.
You are so fucking dumb. I'm even dumber because I try to explain things to you.
Your asshole got puckered up too quick, you didn't even get the poont of my reply. I never said they were good, I was showing you that they are far from disappointing. What the fuck do you expect from them by now? They've both already far surpassed the career of an average 4-star CB. Conference coaches didn't pick Graham for an all Pac-12 team, but the AP did. The conference coaches are really on top of things, that's why milk carton Jalen Jelks was first team all Pac-12 and the had a much better season Justin Hollins was honorable mention.
Likely skewed and misleading stats? You mean like you saying the stats were padded by non-con cupcakes, when all six of Graham's and Lenoir's interceptions came in conference play. 22/27 of the PDs came in conference play. Just so you know every time a secondary performs poorly it's solely on the two CBs, not because the team has to bring more guys in the box to stop the run or over blitzes. Dude, you don't have to lie about watching that much Oregon football - I promise you my opinion of you won't diminish if you don't watch.
And I'm glad to hear Oregon eased the academic requirements from the time you wrote that in September to the time Wright enrolled in January. WRIGHT GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL EARLY YOU HUMAN PINECONE. Have you ever heard of an early graduate not getting into school? Oregon and Washington both use the NCAA clearinghouse minimum, I've shown you the stats before on GPA and SATs for special exemption entrants (ie athletes) and Oregon's football team had average higher SAT and GPAs for special exemptions. There's no way you could get into an NCAA football program if you don't meet the clearinghouse minimum, which means any school can take you. And if you think there's no players on your team that had to have an athletic department exemption I have some really bad news for you.
Comments
You are whistling past the graveyard.
I’m not bragging about our secondary. I’m just responding to your ignorant opinions.
The secondary wasn’t the issue.
Responding to ignorance with your own ignorance is no way to go through life.
Have fun with your cuban Sark!
Graham: 57 tackles, 3 INT, 18 PD
Lenoir: 52 tackles, 3 INT, 9 PD
I expected more than 120 tackles and 6 INTs from Graham by now. He's knocked down more passes than anyone in two years of Pac-12 play, but that just means he's not intercepting them and getting thrown at a lot. On the list of the top-100 draft eligible prospects Thomas Graham is barely above scrub recruits like Najee Harris and Jeffrey Okudah.
But I'll take your word over my eyes and expert opinions, because you do have a great track record with predicting what will happen to Oregon CBs.
Dude, I'm on 247 reading other teams boards for info all the time. Last season your fan base was bitching about how disappointing your secondary was against WSU and Arizona and other games as well. Now you want to try to defend them when your own fan base put them on blast.
Oh, and Mykael Wright was a non-qualifier out of high school. He would have had to go JUCO if a school like Oregon didn't game the system for him and allow him to enroll at Oregon while simultaneously taking community college classes to become eligible. Just another way Oregon is bending, if not breaking the rules to get who they want. $EC of the West.
I'm not sure whether Cristobal can really coach. I don't know what's going to happen when they have success, etc... but he understands what they understand in the SEC: it's about getting a roster stacked with talent. That is the first step.
They are doing that. I wish we'd gotten Chris Steele, Kayvon and whomever else. DJ Johnson, etc.
If Cristobal is an average coach, then they will probably end up looking like USC or UCLA under Mora or Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze I think is a good comparison point.
If he gets good OCs and DCs he can be a really good coach. If that's the case, they are going to be Clemson west and we are going to be Harbaugh/Early Shaw-era Stanford.
Every year it will get easier for them to get talent. They care about it and they value it. Last year they got 50% of USC's normal class and 50% of UCLA's normal class.
Anyone that thinks they aren't a threat with this amount of talent and the recruiting juggernaut they are is fucking stupid.
I'm not saying they are going to win Natties with Cristobal. But unless he's a tard, with this talent, they should be pretty good.
Can he sustain? Handle success? Etc... who fucking knows?
Glad you axed.
They are not doing shit in recruiting after they get exposed on the field this season. They will finish the regular season no better than 7-5 with a first round QB. Half their class will decommit, again. Just wait on it. UW under Sark. UCLA under Mora. USC under Kiffin, Sark, Helton. Tennessee under Butch Jones. Whatever comparison you want to use, they all fit. That's Oregon under Cristobal. Personally, I think Tennessee under Butch Jones is the best comparison because they recruit like the $EC in now and Cristobal is a loud mouthed arrogant prick like Butch Jones.
They suck at coaching and they're not bringing in better talent than UW. They're getting some talented guys but overall they're still weak at recruiting certain positions like ILB, D-line, WR (overrated WR recruits) and O-line (too many fat asses).
DJD: it’s “Mykael” not Michael and everyone on here knows him because he was by far & away the number 1 CB in the country who couldnt qualify anywhere but Oregon and ASU. I’ll give you a pass on because at least you don’t claim to be black while StrongArm hates all black kids who enjoy the fruits of their labor while claiming he’s black but just being weird about racial shit
Strong Arm: get the fuck back on your meds because you were doing so well up until like 3 days ago. Lenoir hasn’t been that good but Graham is one of if not the best CB in the PAC-12 because Heyward/Leavitt basically use the exact same DB development plan as Pete, see Colorado’s DB success when Leavitt was there.
Your asshole got puckered up too quick, you didn't even get the poont of my reply. I never said they were good, I was showing you that they are far from disappointing. What the fuck do you expect from them by now? They've both already far surpassed the career of an average 4-star CB. Conference coaches didn't pick Graham for an all Pac-12 team, but the AP did. The conference coaches are really on top of things, that's why milk carton Jalen Jelks was first team all Pac-12 and the had a much better season Justin Hollins was honorable mention.
Likely skewed and misleading stats? You mean like you saying the stats were padded by non-con cupcakes, when all six of Graham's and Lenoir's interceptions came in conference play. 22/27 of the PDs came in conference play. Just so you know every time a secondary performs poorly it's solely on the two CBs, not because the team has to bring more guys in the box to stop the run or over blitzes. Dude, you don't have to lie about watching that much Oregon football - I promise you my opinion of you won't diminish if you don't watch.
And I'm glad to hear Oregon eased the academic requirements from the time you wrote that in September to the time Wright enrolled in January. WRIGHT GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL EARLY YOU HUMAN PINECONE. Have you ever heard of an early graduate not getting into school? Oregon and Washington both use the NCAA clearinghouse minimum, I've shown you the stats before on GPA and SATs for special exemption entrants (ie athletes) and Oregon's football team had average higher SAT and GPAs for special exemptions. There's no way you could get into an NCAA football program if you don't meet the clearinghouse minimum, which means any school can take you. And if you think there's no players on your team that had to have an athletic department exemption I have some really bad news for you.