I keep hearing from the Left that freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of your words. Anyways, unless the Post decides to make this a principled stand about free speech they'll likely settle. I'd bet even $500k is a lot to that kid and his family. No need to pay ten times that just to beat it in court and get a bunch of potential bad press.
Sure. But damages are going to be difficult to document in a case like this.
He ain't getting a quarter billion but I bet he gets a nice seven figure settlement.
This.
The 250 mil figure was derived because that was what Bezos purchased the Post for. This has settlement written all over it. I would be surprised if it's less than $4-5 million. Drop in the bucket for Bezos, but the kid will be living large.
At this point I’m less than convinced that it would survive a summary judgment motion and/or a motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim. But if it does, discovery would be an enormous undertaking. (The complaint contains more speculation about facts than concrete assertions.). Bezos can afford it; can the other side?
For something of this nature and the potential reward, most lawyers have no problem in doing contingency deals. The kid's family will pay little to nothing unless he wins something.
The biggest motivation here for the attorneys is the profile of the case.
I keep hearing from the Left that freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of your words. Anyways, unless the Post decides to make this a principled stand about free speech they'll likely settle. I'd bet even $500k is a lot to that kid and his family. No need to pay ten times that just to beat it in court and get a bunch of potential bad press.
Bezos has attorneys on staff that deal with this shit on a regular basis. How do you get fighting this would cost him/WP $5 million?
Sure. But damages are going to be difficult to document in a case like this.
He ain't getting a quarter billion but I bet he gets a nice seven figure settlement.
This.
The 250 mil figure was derived because that was what Bezos purchased the Post for. This has settlement written all over it. I would be surprised if it's less than $4-5 million. Drop in the bucket for Bezos, but the kid will be living large.
Sure. But damages are going to be difficult to document in a case like this.
He ain't getting a quarter billion but I bet he gets a nice seven figure settlement.
Maybe. I just read the complaint though. You would think the Post would be extensively quoted in a case of defamation seeking $200 million in punitive damages. But the Post isn’t quoted very much or at much length. Instead, the theory seems to be what the Post knew or should have known. The word “malice” is thrown around, but it seems closer to a negligent reporting claim.
On January 19, 20 and 21, the Post ignored the truth and falsely accused Nicholas of, among other things, “accost[ing]” Phillips by “suddenly swarm[ing]” him in a “threaten[ing]” and “physically intimidat[ing]” manner as Phillips “and other activists were wrapping up the march and preparing to leave,” “block[ing]” Phillips path, refusing to allow Phillips “to retreat,” “taunting the dispersing indigenous crowd,” chanting “build that wall,” “Trump2020,” or “go back to Africa,” and otherwise engaging in racist and improper conduct which ended only “when Phillips and other activists walked away.”
Why you always check O'Keefed's claims. Shocking, he lied.
You’re making my point, blob. That paragraph is just about the only substantive allegation and the quotations are so choppy that you have to fully accept the characterization of the quotations as perfectly true to construct any argument. There are no lengthy statements quoted in their original context. The complaint goes on for pages without much more than conclusory statements about the Post’s alleged motivation.
Does the fact that he's a minor have any impact? I assume not, but in the court of public opinion it could be a huge blow to the Post. They might just settle to shut the kid up.
Sure. But damages are going to be difficult to document in a case like this.
He ain't getting a quarter billion but I bet he gets a nice seven figure settlement.
Maybe. I just read the complaint though. You would think the Post would be extensively quoted in a case of defamation seeking $200 million in punitive damages. But the Post isn’t quoted very much or at much length. Instead, the theory seems to be what the Post knew or should have known. The word “malice” is thrown around, but it seems closer to a negligent reporting claim.
On January 19, 20 and 21, the Post ignored the truth and falsely accused Nicholas of, among other things, “accost[ing]” Phillips by “suddenly swarm[ing]” him in a “threaten[ing]” and “physically intimidat[ing]” manner as Phillips “and other activists were wrapping up the march and preparing to leave,” “block[ing]” Phillips path, refusing to allow Phillips “to retreat,” “taunting the dispersing indigenous crowd,” chanting “build that wall,” “Trump2020,” or “go back to Africa,” and otherwise engaging in racist and improper conduct which ended only “when Phillips and other activists walked away.”
Why you always check O'Keefed's claims. Shocking, he lied.
You’re making my point, blob. That paragraph is just about the only substantive allegation and the quotations are so choppy that you have to fully accept the characterization of the quotations as perfectly true to construct any argument. There are no lengthy statements quoted in their original context. The complaint goes on for pages without much more than conclusory statements about the Post’s alleged motivation.
Does the fact that he's a minor have any impact? I assume not, but in the court of public opinion it could be a huge blow to the post. They might just settle to shut the kid up.
I’m not aware of any reason his being a minor makes any difference legally.
Find the lies. I do chuckle at you monkeys screaming about their lies. Point to incomplete sentences, but won't actually show the lies. For the idiots out there. A quote that says “build that wall,” could be prefaced with "reports State the kids chanted build that Wall". Which is a factual statement.
Find the lies. I do chuckle at you monkeys screaming about their lies. Point to incomplete sentences, but won't actually show the lies. For the idiots out there. A quote that says “build that wall,” could be prefaced with "reports State the kids chanted build that Wall". Which is a factual statement.
There are numerous quotes in the complaint from the Post. You lied O'Keefed.
I didn’t say there were no partial quotations. Is there even one complete sentence quoted in the entire pleading?
Wow, you didn't read the entire complaint did you O'Keefed. Man I pity your clients.
So your answer is No. That’s my recollection too.
No, my answer is you're a liar.
“Phillips, who fought in the Vietnam War, says in an interview ‘I started going that way, and that guy in the hat stood in my way and we were at an impasse. He just blocked my way and wouldn’t allow me to retreat.’”
I keep hearing from the Left that freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of your words. Anyways, unless the Post decides to make this a principled stand about free speech they'll likely settle. I'd bet even $500k is a lot to that kid and his family. No need to pay ten times that just to beat it in court and get a bunch of potential bad press.
Bezos has attorneys on staff that deal with this shit on a regular basis. How do you get fighting this would cost him/WP $5 million?
Sure, but opportunity cost is a real thing and so are the optics. Sometims it's better to take the L and move on. I'm not surprised if you don't understand that.
There are numerous quotes in the complaint from the Post. You lied O'Keefed.
I didn’t say there were no partial quotations. Is there even one complete sentence quoted in the entire pleading?
Wow, you didn't read the entire complaint did you O'Keefed. Man I pity your clients.
So your answer is No. That’s my recollection too.
No, my answer is you're a liar.
“Phillips, who fought in the Vietnam War, says in an interview ‘I started going that way, and that guy in the hat stood in my way and we were at an impasse. He just blocked my way and wouldn’t allow me to retreat.’”
So the Complaint included a complete quotation of a sentence spoken by someone other than the Post. You really aren’t helping your argument.
I keep hearing from the Left that freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of your words. Anyways, unless the Post decides to make this a principled stand about free speech they'll likely settle. I'd bet even $500k is a lot to that kid and his family. No need to pay ten times that just to beat it in court and get a bunch of potential bad press.
Bezos has attorneys on staff that deal with this shit on a regular basis. How do you get fighting this would cost him/WP $5 million?
Sure, but opportunity cost is a real thing and so are the optics. Sometims it's better to take the L and move on. I'm not surprised if you don't understand that.
I’m betting the lawyers on staff don’t qualify for overtime. But if Bezos wants to spend millions on outside counsel, he’s not going to suffer.
Did a law get passed that prohibits a newspaper from being shit?
Then I don't see the kid winning because he won't be able to document any damages. To what - the reputation he didn't have? Has his future income stream been damaged?
I don't see a 7 figure settlement coming out of this.
I keep hearing from the Left that freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of your words. Anyways, unless the Post decides to make this a principled stand about free speech they'll likely settle. I'd bet even $500k is a lot to that kid and his family. No need to pay ten times that just to beat it in court and get a bunch of potential bad press.
Bezos has attorneys on staff that deal with this shit on a regular basis. How do you get fighting this would cost him/WP $5 million?
Sure, but opportunity cost is a real thing and so are the optics. Sometims it's better to take the L and move on. I'm not surprised if you don't understand that.
I’m betting the lawyers on staff don’t qualify for overtime. But if Bezos wants to spend millions on outside counsel, he’s not going to suffer.
So I guess you don't know what opportunity cost is. Not surprised.
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“Phillips, who fought in the Vietnam War, says in an interview ‘I started going that way, and that guy in the hat stood in my way and we were at an impasse. He just blocked my way and wouldn’t allow me to retreat.’”
Then I don't see the kid winning because he won't be able to document any damages. To what - the reputation he didn't have? Has his future income stream been damaged?
I don't see a 7 figure settlement coming out of this.