Kyle Patterson, 3* 2019 TE, Gilbert (Perry), AZ (OFFERED - 12/2/18)
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1. This kid has more upside at his position than Elijah Qualls ever did. It's a false equivalency. Qualls was short for his position with extremely short arms. This kid has all the height and length you could want and is a smooth athlete. He's the prototype of what everybody wants at the TE position and he has top-three round NFL draft potential if he works hard and plays hard.HillsboroDuck said:
No, it does not 100% equate. No one is arguing either of those things. The argument is that you play the percentages, and the percentages say late offers are less likely to be successful than earlier offers.StrongArmCobra said:
Whether the displeasure of the Petterson offer is because of his star rating or because he is a late offer after whiffing on others, I have made substantial arguments against both of those lines of thinking. Star rating does not 100% equate to talent (Taylor Rapp, Will Dissly, Greg Gaines, etc). Late offers after whiffing on others does not 100% equate to lesser talent (Joe Tryon).Domicillo said:
NOBODY IS USING STAR RATINGS IN THEIR ARGUMENT BUT YOU!StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "more talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
Every coach is going to make some occasional late offers (i.e. Jayden Williams). It's one thing to make a late offer because you need one more player, it's another thing to make a late offer because you have gotten exactly zero people to commit.
You're the same person who argued we are too good to give a scholarship to Elijah Qualls 2.0 but now you're jacking off over getting a kid who we can maybe develop into a late draft pick if everything goes right.
2. "Playing the percentages" is not an argument that's on your side anymore. Since UW began to substantially elevate their recruiting in the 2017 class, the majority of late offer 3-star guys have already proven they're top tier talent.
2017: Late offer Jaxson Kirkland, late offer Cade Otton, late offer Joe Tron versus late offers Jake Haener and Cole Norgaard who are still question marks. That's a 3:2 ratio in our favor of late offer guys being quality, top-tier talent and those guys aren't even upperclassman yet.
2018: You've got Mosiah Nasili-Liu and MJ Tafisi. No complaints here. Mosiah obviously has NFL talent and MJ is a bigger, harder hitting version of Bierria so he's got NFL potential as well. Sure we would have preferred Solomon Tuliaupupu over Tafisi but you can't get them all, USC is USC, but as long as you're still getting guys with NFL potential you are recruiting at a high level. -
I'm very aware of what I said about Hampton, but that was based on his JUNIOR tape. I liked his senior tape a lot more. It had nothing to do with his star rating though. But yeah, feel free to pat yourself on the back for being right about a guy before there was reason to.HillsboroDuck said:
Mostly true.NorwegianHusky said:
Bruh. Everyone here loved Rapp despite his star rating. Same with Gaines. Same with Dom Hampton. Gaskin. Many others. That's not the point. The point is that Paopao hasn't been able to get the the guys we offered first, I.E. the guys we want most. Taylor Rapp was not option #7. Neither was Greg Gaines.StrongArmCobra said:
Whether the displeasure of the Petterson offer is because of his star rating or because he is a late offer after whiffing on others, I have made substantial arguments against both of those lines of thinking. Star rating does not 100% equate to talent (Taylor Rapp, Will Dissly, Greg Gaines, etc). Late offers after whiffing on others does not 100% equate to lesser talent (Joe Tryon).Domicillo said:
NOBODY IS USING STAR RATINGS IN THEIR ARGUMENT BUT YOU!StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "more talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
OTOH, your first post on Dom Hampton:Not a fan tbh. Kentrell Love's hudl is straight up porn compared to this kid. If we still get Gordon and Irvin it's kind of whatever but I feel like we should aim much higher than this.
Who cares how tall he is when his hudl puts you to sleep? This whole tall corner fad is bullshit anyway. Pete Carroll somehow convinced himself that the only reason he couldn't play in the pros is because he's short, so he drafted a bunch of tall corners, exactly one of which turned out good.
Get good players first. After that you can care about what traits you want.
You also said this:I think this "we can coach anyone talller than 6' into a superstar given enough time" bullshit needs to die. It's not been true for the Seahawks, and it probably won't be true for the Huskies when Lake leaves to be the head coach of the West Dakota Beaver Fuckers or whatever.
Also, Hampton is nowhere near as athletic as Jordan Miller. He's got pretty good length (I might give him 6'1" with decently long arms), but he's pretty skinny and not all that fast. Then again I basically described Sidney Jones so what the fuck do I know.
Also, this:
Lots of people here hated Hampton at first. Doesn't change the larger point, but there's a reason he's #MyHampton and will always be #MyHampton. -
So 2017 late offers has a 60% hit rate at best (it's actually 50% of signees because you didn't include late offer Ali Gaye).StrongArmCobra said:
1. This kid has more upside at his position than Elijah Qualls ever did. It's a false equivalency. Qualls was short for his position with extremely short arms. This kid has all the height and length you could want and is a smooth athlete. He's the prototype of what everybody wants at the TE position and he has top-three round NFL draft potential if he works hard and plays hard.HillsboroDuck said:
No, it does not 100% equate. No one is arguing either of those things. The argument is that you play the percentages, and the percentages say late offers are less likely to be successful than earlier offers.StrongArmCobra said:
Whether the displeasure of the Petterson offer is because of his star rating or because he is a late offer after whiffing on others, I have made substantial arguments against both of those lines of thinking. Star rating does not 100% equate to talent (Taylor Rapp, Will Dissly, Greg Gaines, etc). Late offers after whiffing on others does not 100% equate to lesser talent (Joe Tryon).Domicillo said:
NOBODY IS USING STAR RATINGS IN THEIR ARGUMENT BUT YOU!StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "more talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
Every coach is going to make some occasional late offers (i.e. Jayden Williams). It's one thing to make a late offer because you need one more player, it's another thing to make a late offer because you have gotten exactly zero people to commit.
You're the same person who argued we are too good to give a scholarship to Elijah Qualls 2.0 but now you're jacking off over getting a kid who we can maybe develop into a late draft pick if everything goes right.
2. "Playing the percentages" is not an argument that's on your side anymore. Since UW began to substantially elevate their recruiting in the 2017 class, the majority of late offer 3-star guys have already proven they're top tier talent.
2017: Late offer Jaxson Kirkland, late offer Cade Otton, late offer Joe Tron versus late offers Jake Haener and Cole Norgaard who are still question marks. That's a 3:2 ratio in our favor of late offer guys being quality, top-tier talent and those guys aren't even upperclassman yet.
2018: You've got Mosiah Nasili-Liu and MJ Tafisi. No complaints here. Mosiah obviously has NFL talent and MJ is a bigger, harder hitting version of Bierria so he's got NFL potential as well. Sure we would have preferred Solomon Tuliaupupu over Tafisi but you can't get them all, USC is USC, but as long as you're still getting guys with NFL potential you are recruiting at a high level.
Early offers have a much better hit rate than that.
The percentages are still in my favor.
hth
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I was right on him because I don't believe tape is the only thing worth evaluating.NorwegianHusky said:
I'm very aware of what I said about Hampton, but that was based on his JUNIOR tape. I liked his senior tape a lot more. It had nothing to do with his star rating though. But yeah, feel free to pat yourself on the back for being right about a guy before there was reason to.HillsboroDuck said:
Mostly true.NorwegianHusky said:
Bruh. Everyone here loved Rapp despite his star rating. Same with Gaines. Same with Dom Hampton. Gaskin. Many others. That's not the point. The point is that Paopao hasn't been able to get the the guys we offered first, I.E. the guys we want most. Taylor Rapp was not option #7. Neither was Greg Gaines.StrongArmCobra said:
Whether the displeasure of the Petterson offer is because of his star rating or because he is a late offer after whiffing on others, I have made substantial arguments against both of those lines of thinking. Star rating does not 100% equate to talent (Taylor Rapp, Will Dissly, Greg Gaines, etc). Late offers after whiffing on others does not 100% equate to lesser talent (Joe Tryon).Domicillo said:
NOBODY IS USING STAR RATINGS IN THEIR ARGUMENT BUT YOU!StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "more talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
OTOH, your first post on Dom Hampton:Not a fan tbh. Kentrell Love's hudl is straight up porn compared to this kid. If we still get Gordon and Irvin it's kind of whatever but I feel like we should aim much higher than this.
Who cares how tall he is when his hudl puts you to sleep? This whole tall corner fad is bullshit anyway. Pete Carroll somehow convinced himself that the only reason he couldn't play in the pros is because he's short, so he drafted a bunch of tall corners, exactly one of which turned out good.
Get good players first. After that you can care about what traits you want.
You also said this:I think this "we can coach anyone talller than 6' into a superstar given enough time" bullshit needs to die. It's not been true for the Seahawks, and it probably won't be true for the Huskies when Lake leaves to be the head coach of the West Dakota Beaver Fuckers or whatever.
Also, Hampton is nowhere near as athletic as Jordan Miller. He's got pretty good length (I might give him 6'1" with decently long arms), but he's pretty skinny and not all that fast. Then again I basically described Sidney Jones so what the fuck do I know.
Also, this:
Lots of people here hated Hampton at first. Doesn't change the larger point, but there's a reason he's #MyHampton and will always be #MyHampton.
My process > yours.
hth
And if you're "very aware of what I said about him" why would you say "everyone here loved Hampton"? -
My process involves the ability to change my opinion based on new evidence rather than being stubborn. And I did like him a lot before he signed with us, and he was still a three star when he did (and we were discussing star ratings), I just didn't like his junior film. Hth.HillsboroDuck said:
I was right on him because I don't believe tape is the only thing worth evaluating.NorwegianHusky said:
I'm very aware of what I said about Hampton, but that was based on his JUNIOR tape. I liked his senior tape a lot more. It had nothing to do with his star rating though. But yeah, feel free to pat yourself on the back for being right about a guy before there was reason to.HillsboroDuck said:
Mostly true.NorwegianHusky said:
Bruh. Everyone here loved Rapp despite his star rating. Same with Gaines. Same with Dom Hampton. Gaskin. Many others. That's not the point. The point is that Paopao hasn't been able to get the the guys we offered first, I.E. the guys we want most. Taylor Rapp was not option #7. Neither was Greg Gaines.StrongArmCobra said:
Whether the displeasure of the Petterson offer is because of his star rating or because he is a late offer after whiffing on others, I have made substantial arguments against both of those lines of thinking. Star rating does not 100% equate to talent (Taylor Rapp, Will Dissly, Greg Gaines, etc). Late offers after whiffing on others does not 100% equate to lesser talent (Joe Tryon).Domicillo said:
NOBODY IS USING STAR RATINGS IN THEIR ARGUMENT BUT YOU!StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "more talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
OTOH, your first post on Dom Hampton:Not a fan tbh. Kentrell Love's hudl is straight up porn compared to this kid. If we still get Gordon and Irvin it's kind of whatever but I feel like we should aim much higher than this.
Who cares how tall he is when his hudl puts you to sleep? This whole tall corner fad is bullshit anyway. Pete Carroll somehow convinced himself that the only reason he couldn't play in the pros is because he's short, so he drafted a bunch of tall corners, exactly one of which turned out good.
Get good players first. After that you can care about what traits you want.
You also said this:I think this "we can coach anyone talller than 6' into a superstar given enough time" bullshit needs to die. It's not been true for the Seahawks, and it probably won't be true for the Huskies when Lake leaves to be the head coach of the West Dakota Beaver Fuckers or whatever.
Also, Hampton is nowhere near as athletic as Jordan Miller. He's got pretty good length (I might give him 6'1" with decently long arms), but he's pretty skinny and not all that fast. Then again I basically described Sidney Jones so what the fuck do I know.
Also, this:
Lots of people here hated Hampton at first. Doesn't change the larger point, but there's a reason he's #MyHampton and will always be #MyHampton.
My process > yours.
hth
And if you're "very aware of what you said about him" why would you say "everyone here loved Hampton"? -
Joe Tryon and Jaxson KirklandNorwegianHusky said:
Bruh. Everyone here loved Rapp despite his star rating. Same with Gaines. Same with Dom Hampton. Gaskin. Many others. That's not the point. The point is that Paopao hasn't been able to get the the guys we offered first, I.E. the guys we want most. Taylor Rapp was not option #7. Neither was Greg Gaines.StrongArmCobra said:
Whether the displeasure of the Petterson offer is because of his star rating or because he is a late offer after whiffing on others, I have made substantial arguments against both of those lines of thinking. Star rating does not 100% equate to talent (Taylor Rapp, Will Dissly, Greg Gaines, etc). Late offers after whiffing on others does not 100% equate to lesser talent (Joe Tryon).Domicillo said:
NOBODY IS USING STAR RATINGS IN THEIR ARGUMENT BUT YOU!StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "more talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
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But we had more than his junior film. We had his measurables and most importantly we had Jimmy Lake's endorsement.NorwegianHusky said:
My process involves the ability to change my opinion based on new evidence rather than being stubborn. And I did like him a lot before he signed with us, and he was still a three star when he did (and we were discussing star ratings), I just didn't like his junior film. Hth.HillsboroDuck said:
I was right on him because I don't believe tape is the only thing worth evaluating.NorwegianHusky said:
I'm very aware of what I said about Hampton, but that was based on his JUNIOR tape. I liked his senior tape a lot more. It had nothing to do with his star rating though. But yeah, feel free to pat yourself on the back for being right about a guy before there was reason to.HillsboroDuck said:
Mostly true.NorwegianHusky said:
Bruh. Everyone here loved Rapp despite his star rating. Same with Gaines. Same with Dom Hampton. Gaskin. Many others. That's not the point. The point is that Paopao hasn't been able to get the the guys we offered first, I.E. the guys we want most. Taylor Rapp was not option #7. Neither was Greg Gaines.StrongArmCobra said:
Whether the displeasure of the Petterson offer is because of his star rating or because he is a late offer after whiffing on others, I have made substantial arguments against both of those lines of thinking. Star rating does not 100% equate to talent (Taylor Rapp, Will Dissly, Greg Gaines, etc). Late offers after whiffing on others does not 100% equate to lesser talent (Joe Tryon).Domicillo said:
NOBODY IS USING STAR RATINGS IN THEIR ARGUMENT BUT YOU!StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "more talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
OTOH, your first post on Dom Hampton:Not a fan tbh. Kentrell Love's hudl is straight up porn compared to this kid. If we still get Gordon and Irvin it's kind of whatever but I feel like we should aim much higher than this.
Who cares how tall he is when his hudl puts you to sleep? This whole tall corner fad is bullshit anyway. Pete Carroll somehow convinced himself that the only reason he couldn't play in the pros is because he's short, so he drafted a bunch of tall corners, exactly one of which turned out good.
Get good players first. After that you can care about what traits you want.
You also said this:I think this "we can coach anyone talller than 6' into a superstar given enough time" bullshit needs to die. It's not been true for the Seahawks, and it probably won't be true for the Huskies when Lake leaves to be the head coach of the West Dakota Beaver Fuckers or whatever.
Also, Hampton is nowhere near as athletic as Jordan Miller. He's got pretty good length (I might give him 6'1" with decently long arms), but he's pretty skinny and not all that fast. Then again I basically described Sidney Jones so what the fuck do I know.
Also, this:
Lots of people here hated Hampton at first. Doesn't change the larger point, but there's a reason he's #MyHampton and will always be #MyHampton.
My process > yours.
hth
And if you're "very aware of what you said about him" why would you say "everyone here loved Hampton"?
Trust the coaches is bullshit. Not trusting Jimmy Lake is also bullshit. He's an evaluation god.
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Tryon's a guy who blew up his senior year, Kirkland's a guy who we knew we could slow play because he was a legacy. Are you arguing Patterson made a big step his senior season or had ties to the program that meant we could wait to offer him?StrongArmCobra said:
Joe Tryon and Jaxson KirklandNorwegianHusky said:
Bruh. Everyone here loved Rapp despite his star rating. Same with Gaines. Same with Dom Hampton. Gaskin. Many others. That's not the point. The point is that Paopao hasn't been able to get the the guys we offered first, I.E. the guys we want most. Taylor Rapp was not option #7. Neither was Greg Gaines.StrongArmCobra said:
Whether the displeasure of the Petterson offer is because of his star rating or because he is a late offer after whiffing on others, I have made substantial arguments against both of those lines of thinking. Star rating does not 100% equate to talent (Taylor Rapp, Will Dissly, Greg Gaines, etc). Late offers after whiffing on others does not 100% equate to lesser talent (Joe Tryon).Domicillo said:
NOBODY IS USING STAR RATINGS IN THEIR ARGUMENT BUT YOU!StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "more talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
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They never offered Rae. 2 ACL tears in high school. Martinez was offered after he already committed to UCLA and they didn't heavily pursue him and they like Patterson more so I'm not going to count him. Foskey was a Buck recruit. Patterson is UW's 3rd choice at TE behind Wolfe and Archer.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Sixth - we wanted Ethan Rae as well.Baseman said:
He’s UW’s 5th choice. Foskey. Wolfe. Archer. Martinez..HTHStrongArmCobra said:@Baseman That's your problem. You think he's an inferior prospect because he has three-stars next to his name and would think he's superior if he had 4-stars. You have no mind of your own. You're a sheep following star rankings and jumping on a bandwagon. Look at Cade Otton's offer sheet. Drew Sample chose UW over offers from Boise State and Oregon State you fucking idiot. Will Dissly had zero Pac-12 offers until UW offered late. You can easily find NFL talent at TE that isn't rated 4-stars.
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Everyone loved Joe Tryon, too. Everyone like Kirkland just fine. The prevailing opinion was that we lucked into a good OL class despite fucking up recruiting our priority targets. I don't see how that helps your argument.StrongArmCobra said:
Joe Tryon and Jaxson KirklandNorwegianHusky said:
Bruh. Everyone here loved Rapp despite his star rating. Same with Gaines. Same with Dom Hampton. Gaskin. Many others. That's not the point. The point is that Paopao hasn't been able to get the the guys we offered first, I.E. the guys we want most. Taylor Rapp was not option #7. Neither was Greg Gaines.StrongArmCobra said:
Whether the displeasure of the Petterson offer is because of his star rating or because he is a late offer after whiffing on others, I have made substantial arguments against both of those lines of thinking. Star rating does not 100% equate to talent (Taylor Rapp, Will Dissly, Greg Gaines, etc). Late offers after whiffing on others does not 100% equate to lesser talent (Joe Tryon).Domicillo said:
NOBODY IS USING STAR RATINGS IN THEIR ARGUMENT BUT YOU!StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "more talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
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Kirkland had grade issues, once his grades checked out he got offeredHillsboroDuck said:
Tryon's a guy who blew up his senior year, Kirkland's a guy who we knew we could slow play because he was a legacy. Are you arguing Patterson made a big step his senior season or had ties to the program that meant we could wait to offer him?StrongArmCobra said:
Joe Tryon and Jaxson KirklandNorwegianHusky said:
Bruh. Everyone here loved Rapp despite his star rating. Same with Gaines. Same with Dom Hampton. Gaskin. Many others. That's not the point. The point is that Paopao hasn't been able to get the the guys we offered first, I.E. the guys we want most. Taylor Rapp was not option #7. Neither was Greg Gaines.StrongArmCobra said:
Whether the displeasure of the Petterson offer is because of his star rating or because he is a late offer after whiffing on others, I have made substantial arguments against both of those lines of thinking. Star rating does not 100% equate to talent (Taylor Rapp, Will Dissly, Greg Gaines, etc). Late offers after whiffing on others does not 100% equate to lesser talent (Joe Tryon).Domicillo said:
NOBODY IS USING STAR RATINGS IN THEIR ARGUMENT BUT YOU!StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "more talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
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Ali Gaye was never on the roster. He doesn't count.HillsboroDuck said:
So 2017 late offers has a 60% hit rate at best (it's actually 50% of signees because you didn't include late offer Ali Gaye).StrongArmCobra said:
1. This kid has more upside at his position than Elijah Qualls ever did. It's a false equivalency. Qualls was short for his position with extremely short arms. This kid has all the height and length you could want and is a smooth athlete. He's the prototype of what everybody wants at the TE position and he has top-three round NFL draft potential if he works hard and plays hard.HillsboroDuck said:
No, it does not 100% equate. No one is arguing either of those things. The argument is that you play the percentages, and the percentages say late offers are less likely to be successful than earlier offers.StrongArmCobra said:
Whether the displeasure of the Petterson offer is because of his star rating or because he is a late offer after whiffing on others, I have made substantial arguments against both of those lines of thinking. Star rating does not 100% equate to talent (Taylor Rapp, Will Dissly, Greg Gaines, etc). Late offers after whiffing on others does not 100% equate to lesser talent (Joe Tryon).Domicillo said:
NOBODY IS USING STAR RATINGS IN THEIR ARGUMENT BUT YOU!StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "more talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
Every coach is going to make some occasional late offers (i.e. Jayden Williams). It's one thing to make a late offer because you need one more player, it's another thing to make a late offer because you have gotten exactly zero people to commit.
You're the same person who argued we are too good to give a scholarship to Elijah Qualls 2.0 but now you're jacking off over getting a kid who we can maybe develop into a late draft pick if everything goes right.
2. "Playing the percentages" is not an argument that's on your side anymore. Since UW began to substantially elevate their recruiting in the 2017 class, the majority of late offer 3-star guys have already proven they're top tier talent.
2017: Late offer Jaxson Kirkland, late offer Cade Otton, late offer Joe Tron versus late offers Jake Haener and Cole Norgaard who are still question marks. That's a 3:2 ratio in our favor of late offer guys being quality, top-tier talent and those guys aren't even upperclassman yet.
2018: You've got Mosiah Nasili-Liu and MJ Tafisi. No complaints here. Mosiah obviously has NFL talent and MJ is a bigger, harder hitting version of Bierria so he's got NFL potential as well. Sure we would have preferred Solomon Tuliaupupu over Tafisi but you can't get them all, USC is USC, but as long as you're still getting guys with NFL potential you are recruiting at a high level.
Early offers have a much better hit rate than that.
The percentages are still in my favor.
hth
Early offers do not have a higher hit rate. You have a shit load of early offers that are weeded out by the coaches and do not have committable offers from UW later in the process. If UW just took commitments from any and all early offer guys with 4-stars next to their name they would be no better than the Oregon coaching staff. For instance, UW would have Criddell instead Cam Williams and Maninoa Tafuno instead of Miki Ah You. The evaluation process is ongoing, sometimes early offer guys turn out to be shit. -
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@HillsboroDuck Lol now you're making shit up. Tryon didn't "blow up" his Senior year. He was committed to WSU and UW over WSU and Oregon. He was still lightly recruited. That's revisionist history bullshit. Everybody wanted Foster Sarrell over Kirkland. Most shit on Kirkland when he committed. He was the quintessential late offer, back up plan that everybody here hates and assumed back then was less talented. WTF does him being a legacy recruit have to do with his talent? Oh that's right, nothing. And yes, Patterson's Senior film looks very good to me when you project how much bigger, stronger, and faster he's going to get in UW's strength and conditioning program.
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Are you guys really debating Kyle Patterson? This is such a fuckshow.
I change my mind with new evidence. Who cares? That’s what you are supposed to do.
If you build in coach trust - then fuck you.
I’m fucking sick of you idiots talking when you don’t understand anything.
Kyle is a DDY2 end of story. That’s not how you evaluate whether Paopao is good.
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Tryon’s junior to senior film leap was unreal.NorwegianHusky said:
Everyone loved Joe Tryon, too. Everyone like Kirkland just fine. The prevailing opinion was that we lucked into a good OL class despite fucking up recruiting our priority targets. I don't see how that helps your argument.StrongArmCobra said:
Joe Tryon and Jaxson KirklandNorwegianHusky said:
Bruh. Everyone here loved Rapp despite his star rating. Same with Gaines. Same with Dom Hampton. Gaskin. Many others. That's not the point. The point is that Paopao hasn't been able to get the the guys we offered first, I.E. the guys we want most. Taylor Rapp was not option #7. Neither was Greg Gaines.StrongArmCobra said:
Whether the displeasure of the Petterson offer is because of his star rating or because he is a late offer after whiffing on others, I have made substantial arguments against both of those lines of thinking. Star rating does not 100% equate to talent (Taylor Rapp, Will Dissly, Greg Gaines, etc). Late offers after whiffing on others does not 100% equate to lesser talent (Joe Tryon).Domicillo said:
NOBODY IS USING STAR RATINGS IN THEIR ARGUMENT BUT YOU!StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "more talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
Kirkland wasn’t offered earlier because of grades you fucking idiots.
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Kirkland was plan B for Foster Sarell and was not going to be offered until Sarell officially committed to Stanford. Grades had nothing to do with it. He was committed to UCLA before UW offered.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Tryon’s junior to senior film leap was unreal.NorwegianHusky said:
Everyone loved Joe Tryon, too. Everyone like Kirkland just fine. The prevailing opinion was that we lucked into a good OL class despite fucking up recruiting our priority targets. I don't see how that helps your argument.StrongArmCobra said:
Joe Tryon and Jaxson KirklandNorwegianHusky said:
Bruh. Everyone here loved Rapp despite his star rating. Same with Gaines. Same with Dom Hampton. Gaskin. Many others. That's not the point. The point is that Paopao hasn't been able to get the the guys we offered first, I.E. the guys we want most. Taylor Rapp was not option #7. Neither was Greg Gaines.StrongArmCobra said:
Whether the displeasure of the Petterson offer is because of his star rating or because he is a late offer after whiffing on others, I have made substantial arguments against both of those lines of thinking. Star rating does not 100% equate to talent (Taylor Rapp, Will Dissly, Greg Gaines, etc). Late offers after whiffing on others does not 100% equate to lesser talent (Joe Tryon).Domicillo said:
NOBODY IS USING STAR RATINGS IN THEIR ARGUMENT BUT YOU!StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "more talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
Kirkland wasn’t offered earlier because of grades you fucking idiots.
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Kind of funny how Jaxson Kirkland became a freshman all-american while Sarell got to enjoy watching Stanford go 8-4 from the seat of his training bike.StrongArmCobra said:
Kirkland was plan B for Foster Sarell and was not going to be offered until Sarell officially committed to Stanford. Grades had nothing to do with it. He was committed to UCLA before UW offered.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Tryon’s junior to senior film leap was unreal.NorwegianHusky said:
Everyone loved Joe Tryon, too. Everyone like Kirkland just fine. The prevailing opinion was that we lucked into a good OL class despite fucking up recruiting our priority targets. I don't see how that helps your argument.StrongArmCobra said:
Joe Tryon and Jaxson KirklandNorwegianHusky said:
Bruh. Everyone here loved Rapp despite his star rating. Same with Gaines. Same with Dom Hampton. Gaskin. Many others. That's not the point. The point is that Paopao hasn't been able to get the the guys we offered first, I.E. the guys we want most. Taylor Rapp was not option #7. Neither was Greg Gaines.StrongArmCobra said:
Whether the displeasure of the Petterson offer is because of his star rating or because he is a late offer after whiffing on others, I have made substantial arguments against both of those lines of thinking. Star rating does not 100% equate to talent (Taylor Rapp, Will Dissly, Greg Gaines, etc). Late offers after whiffing on others does not 100% equate to lesser talent (Joe Tryon).Domicillo said:
NOBODY IS USING STAR RATINGS IN THEIR ARGUMENT BUT YOU!StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "more talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
Kirkland wasn’t offered earlier because of grades you fucking idiots.
Enough.
That being said, I absolutely love Jaxson Kirkland. He's a straight up bad ass and he's only going to get better.
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GOD YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT. You are 100% wrong about this you fucking moron. Christ.StrongArmCobra said:
Kirkland was plan B for Foster Sarell and was not going to be offered until Sarell officially committed to Stanford. Grades had nothing to do with it. He was committed to UCLA before UW offered.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Tryon’s junior to senior film leap was unreal.NorwegianHusky said:
Everyone loved Joe Tryon, too. Everyone like Kirkland just fine. The prevailing opinion was that we lucked into a good OL class despite fucking up recruiting our priority targets. I don't see how that helps your argument.StrongArmCobra said:
Joe Tryon and Jaxson KirklandNorwegianHusky said:
Bruh. Everyone here loved Rapp despite his star rating. Same with Gaines. Same with Dom Hampton. Gaskin. Many others. That's not the point. The point is that Paopao hasn't been able to get the the guys we offered first, I.E. the guys we want most. Taylor Rapp was not option #7. Neither was Greg Gaines.StrongArmCobra said:
Whether the displeasure of the Petterson offer is because of his star rating or because he is a late offer after whiffing on others, I have made substantial arguments against both of those lines of thinking. Star rating does not 100% equate to talent (Taylor Rapp, Will Dissly, Greg Gaines, etc). Late offers after whiffing on others does not 100% equate to lesser talent (Joe Tryon).Domicillo said:
NOBODY IS USING STAR RATINGS IN THEIR ARGUMENT BUT YOU!StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "more talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
Kirkland wasn’t offered earlier because of grades you fucking idiots.
Enough.
You ruin every fucking thread. And on this one, I happen to KNOW you are full of shit - just fucking stop.
This is the best place to talk Husky recruiting, easily. But you presenting this shit like you know - you have no fucking idea.
They told Kirk a year early that they wanted to see certain things from his grades. He didn't have them. At the end when we were missing on everyone, we just said fuck it and offered him anyway.
He was not #OKG at all. This is a good example of why I think #OKG is such bullshit.
But you are fucking full of shit. If you think we thought he was lower on our board than fucking Norgaard you are a fucking twat. He was offered 3 weeks after Norgy you fucking jackass.
Would you just fucking shut up please?
I already said: ENOUGH. Fucking quit fucking this board up you moron.
In general I love you, but this is what happens when good fans don't kill their inner Doog. It just grows when we start doing well.
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We fucking suck. Shut down the progrum. Better Dennis?Dennis_DeYoung said:
GOD YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT. You are 100% wrong about this you fucking moron. Christ.StrongArmCobra said:
Kirkland was plan B for Foster Sarell and was not going to be offered until Sarell officially committed to Stanford. Grades had nothing to do with it. He was committed to UCLA before UW offered.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Tryon’s junior to senior film leap was unreal.NorwegianHusky said:
Everyone loved Joe Tryon, too. Everyone like Kirkland just fine. The prevailing opinion was that we lucked into a good OL class despite fucking up recruiting our priority targets. I don't see how that helps your argument.StrongArmCobra said:
Joe Tryon and Jaxson KirklandNorwegianHusky said:
Bruh. Everyone here loved Rapp despite his star rating. Same with Gaines. Same with Dom Hampton. Gaskin. Many others. That's not the point. The point is that Paopao hasn't been able to get the the guys we offered first, I.E. the guys we want most. Taylor Rapp was not option #7. Neither was Greg Gaines.StrongArmCobra said:
Whether the displeasure of the Petterson offer is because of his star rating or because he is a late offer after whiffing on others, I have made substantial arguments against both of those lines of thinking. Star rating does not 100% equate to talent (Taylor Rapp, Will Dissly, Greg Gaines, etc). Late offers after whiffing on others does not 100% equate to lesser talent (Joe Tryon).Domicillo said:
NOBODY IS USING STAR RATINGS IN THEIR ARGUMENT BUT YOU!StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "more talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
Kirkland wasn’t offered earlier because of grades you fucking idiots.
Enough.
You ruin every fucking thread. And on this one, I happen to KNOW you are full of shit - just fucking stop.
This is the best place to talk Husky recruiting, easily. But you presenting this shit like you know - you have no fucking idea.
They told Kirk a year early that they wanted to see certain things from his grades. He didn't have them. At the end when we were missing on everyone, we just said fuck it and offered him anyway.
He was not #OKG at all. This is a good example of why I think #OKG is such bullshit.
But you are fucking full of shit. If you think we thought he was lower on our board than fucking Norgaard you are a fucking twat. He was offered 3 weeks after Norgy you fucking jackass.
Would you just fucking shut up please?
I already said: ENOUGH. Fucking quit fucking this board up you moron.
In general I love you, but this is what happens when good fans don't kill their inner Doog. It just grows when we start doing well.
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Can confirm on the Kirkland info from Dennis. Probably the only recruiting story I have heard directly from the mouth of someone who knows the kid's family well.Dennis_DeYoung said:
GOD YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT. You are 100% wrong about this you fucking moron. Christ.StrongArmCobra said:
Kirkland was plan B for Foster Sarell and was not going to be offered until Sarell officially committed to Stanford. Grades had nothing to do with it. He was committed to UCLA before UW offered.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Tryon’s junior to senior film leap was unreal.NorwegianHusky said:
Everyone loved Joe Tryon, too. Everyone like Kirkland just fine. The prevailing opinion was that we lucked into a good OL class despite fucking up recruiting our priority targets. I don't see how that helps your argument.StrongArmCobra said:
Joe Tryon and Jaxson KirklandNorwegianHusky said:
Bruh. Everyone here loved Rapp despite his star rating. Same with Gaines. Same with Dom Hampton. Gaskin. Many others. That's not the point. The point is that Paopao hasn't been able to get the the guys we offered first, I.E. the guys we want most. Taylor Rapp was not option #7. Neither was Greg Gaines.StrongArmCobra said:
Whether the displeasure of the Petterson offer is because of his star rating or because he is a late offer after whiffing on others, I have made substantial arguments against both of those lines of thinking. Star rating does not 100% equate to talent (Taylor Rapp, Will Dissly, Greg Gaines, etc). Late offers after whiffing on others does not 100% equate to lesser talent (Joe Tryon).Domicillo said:
NOBODY IS USING STAR RATINGS IN THEIR ARGUMENT BUT YOU!StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "more talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
Kirkland wasn’t offered earlier because of grades you fucking idiots.
Enough.
You ruin every fucking thread. And on this one, I happen to KNOW you are full of shit - just fucking stop.
This is the best place to talk Husky recruiting, easily. But you presenting this shit like you know - you have no fucking idea.
They told Kirk a year early that they wanted to see certain things from his grades. He didn't have them. At the end when we were missing on everyone, we just said fuck it and offered him anyway.
He was not #OKG at all. This is a good example of why I think #OKG is such bullshit.
But you are fucking full of shit. If you think we thought he was lower on our board than fucking Norgaard you are a fucking twat. He was offered 3 weeks after Norgy you fucking jackass.
Would you just fucking shut up please?
I already said: ENOUGH. Fucking quit fucking this board up you moron.
In general I love you, but this is what happens when good fans don't kill their inner Doog. It just grows when we start doing well.
FUCKING. STOP. -
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very negativeDennis_DeYoung said:
GOD YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT. You are 100% wrong about this you fucking moron. Christ.StrongArmCobra said:
Kirkland was plan B for Foster Sarell and was not going to be offered until Sarell officially committed to Stanford. Grades had nothing to do with it. He was committed to UCLA before UW offered.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Tryon’s junior to senior film leap was unreal.NorwegianHusky said:
Everyone loved Joe Tryon, too. Everyone like Kirkland just fine. The prevailing opinion was that we lucked into a good OL class despite fucking up recruiting our priority targets. I don't see how that helps your argument.StrongArmCobra said:
Joe Tryon and Jaxson KirklandNorwegianHusky said:
Bruh. Everyone here loved Rapp despite his star rating. Same with Gaines. Same with Dom Hampton. Gaskin. Many others. That's not the point. The point is that Paopao hasn't been able to get the the guys we offered first, I.E. the guys we want most. Taylor Rapp was not option #7. Neither was Greg Gaines.StrongArmCobra said:
Whether the displeasure of the Petterson offer is because of his star rating or because he is a late offer after whiffing on others, I have made substantial arguments against both of those lines of thinking. Star rating does not 100% equate to talent (Taylor Rapp, Will Dissly, Greg Gaines, etc). Late offers after whiffing on others does not 100% equate to lesser talent (Joe Tryon).Domicillo said:
NOBODY IS USING STAR RATINGS IN THEIR ARGUMENT BUT YOU!StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "more talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
Kirkland wasn’t offered earlier because of grades you fucking idiots.
Enough.
You ruin every fucking thread. And on this one, I happen to KNOW you are full of shit - just fucking stop.
This is the best place to talk Husky recruiting, easily. But you presenting this shit like you know - you have no fucking idea.
They told Kirk a year early that they wanted to see certain things from his grades. He didn't have them. At the end when we were missing on everyone, we just said fuck it and offered him anyway.
He was not #OKG at all. This is a good example of why I think #OKG is such bullshit.
But you are fucking full of shit. If you think we thought he was lower on our board than fucking Norgaard you are a fucking twat. He was offered 3 weeks after Norgy you fucking jackass.
Would you just fucking shut up please?
I already said: ENOUGH. Fucking quit fucking this board up you moron.
In general I love you, but this is what happens when good fans don't kill their inner Doog. It just grows when we start doing well.
FUCKING. STOP. -
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Holly Shit!!!
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Balls has reached new levels of stupidity lately and especially in this thread. This beats the body catching argument.
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Fuck this banning shit. I like Ballz not that I necessarily agree with all his point of views but he offers a different perspective to most people here who are basically rehash DDY's rants. While I love DDY who is original and witty though often over the top, it is good to have someone like ballz to offer counters. If this becomes a place who can not accept different voices then it is no better than doogman ...chuck said:Balls has reached new levels of stupidity lately and especially in this thread. This beats the body catching argument.
I seriously think another banning is not only justified, but needed. No joke. He's just going to keep ruining threads. Fuck this aids spreading, intellectually challenged little bitch.
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