We have had some misses in recruiting at LB and some bad luck. We lost 3 potential starters to injury or transfers in Beavers, Eifler, and Kaho. You lose three starters at any position, and your team is drastically worse. We are seeing it this year.
We also had Nick Bolton who is playing very well for Missouri. He’s better than Sirmon and Tafisi. Nobody cared when he decommitted. Some even were happy, but we would be better with him on our team. Another data point that nobody really knows what they are talking about a lot of the time.
I don’t remember if we stopped recruiting Weaver or not, but that was obviously a huge miss as well. He started out at Cal as a DE and maybe would not play ILB for us anyway.
It’s another data point on stacking good classes each year, but we did that to some extent. If we lost 3 DL or 3 DB’s, we would probably hurt there too, especially DL.
I don’t hate Gregory like a lot of you because I think he can really coach. Besides this year, ILB has been a strength. People forget Gregory was a very good DC for Cal. I’m not opposed to him moving on, but it’s far from a guarantee that it would benefit us. Yes, we want coaches that can both recruit and coach, but the coaching part doesn’t get enough attention due to the TBS obsession.
If he ends up at stdu thats weird how that would make 2 lbs that we some how let go and they went to be devils. I know recruiting is more complex then I make it out to be but come on at the end of the day we could have used those two lbs. Merlin and Banks.
who says we could use Banks? Sounds like he just didn't fit our system. He played the same position as Smalls. We got Smalls. From what I've read, he couldn't handle ILB so he just doesn't work for us. Best of luck to him.
We have had some misses in recruiting at LB and some bad luck. We lost 3 potential starters to injury or transfers in Beavers, Eifler, and Kaho. You lose three starters at any position, and your team is drastically worse. We are seeing it this year.
We also had Nick Bolton who is playing very well for Missouri. He’s better than Sirmon and Tafisi. Nobody cared when he decommitted. Some even were happy, but we would be better with him on our team. Another data point that nobody really knows what they are talking about a lot of the time.
I don’t remember if we stopped recruiting Weaver or not, but that was obviously a huge miss as well. He started out at Cal as a DE and maybe would not play ILB for us anyway.
It’s another data point on stacking good classes each year, but we did that to some extent. If we lost 3 DL or 3 DB’s, we would probably hurt there too, especially DL.
I don’t hate Gregory like a lot of you because I think he can really coach. Besides this year, ILB has been a strength. People forget Gregory was a very good DC for Cal. I’m not opposed to him moving on, but it’s far from a guarantee that it would benefit us. Yes, we want coaches that can both recruit and coach, but the coaching part doesn’t get enough attention due to the TBS obsession.
It’s his job to keep talent that comes on too. Eifler could be a difference over manu. Kaho transferred which was extremely shady and really weird, but would it have happened to a more relatable coach. Eifler most likely stays at least.
Did he fight to offer or bring on Merlin Robertson as another roster spot? We kind of cooled on him. Why? Especially if you are evaluating his talent vs sirmon and Talfisi.
You are right in that nobody really knows. All we know right now is our linebackers are absolutely horrible and playing at an unacceptable level. Wellington played decent at the end of last year but now sucks. Any position coach with any pride would be embarrassed by what we are putting out on the field. The most alarming issue is there is no answer on the horizon. We don’t appear to be recruiting any jc players for this gaping hole either. This position and wr are wrecking this team.
We have had some misses in recruiting at LB and some bad luck. We lost 3 potential starters to injury or transfers in Beavers, Eifler, and Kaho. You lose three starters at any position, and your team is drastically worse. We are seeing it this year.
We also had Nick Bolton who is playing very well for Missouri. He’s better than Sirmon and Tafisi. Nobody cared when he decommitted. Some even were happy, but we would be better with him on our team. Another data point that nobody really knows what they are talking about a lot of the time.
I don’t remember if we stopped recruiting Weaver or not, but that was obviously a huge miss as well. He started out at Cal as a DE and maybe would not play ILB for us anyway.
It’s another data point on stacking good classes each year, but we did that to some extent. If we lost 3 DL or 3 DB’s, we would probably hurt there too, especially DL.
I don’t hate Gregory like a lot of you because I think he can really coach. Besides this year, ILB has been a strength. People forget Gregory was a very good DC for Cal. I’m not opposed to him moving on, but it’s far from a guarantee that it would benefit us. Yes, we want coaches that can both recruit and coach, but the coaching part doesn’t get enough attention due to the TBS obsession.
We have had some misses in recruiting at LB and some bad luck. We lost 3 potential starters to injury or transfers in Beavers, Eifler, and Kaho. You lose three starters at any position, and your team is drastically worse. We are seeing it this year.
We also had Nick Bolton who is playing very well for Missouri. He’s better than Sirmon and Tafisi. Nobody cared when he decommitted. Some even were happy, but we would be better with him on our team. Another data point that nobody really knows what they are talking about a lot of the time.
I don’t remember if we stopped recruiting Weaver or not, but that was obviously a huge miss as well. He started out at Cal as a DE and maybe would not play ILB for us anyway.
It’s another data point on stacking good classes each year, but we did that to some extent. If we lost 3 DL or 3 DB’s, we would probably hurt there too, especially DL.
I don’t hate Gregory like a lot of you because I think he can really coach. Besides this year, ILB has been a strength. People forget Gregory was a very good DC for Cal. I’m not opposed to him moving on, but it’s far from a guarantee that it would benefit us. Yes, we want coaches that can both recruit and coach, but the coaching part doesn’t get enough attention due to the TBS obsession.
Why is Bob Gregory a good coach? ILB was really only a strength in 2016, and was only decent in other years because BBK covered up everyone else. Azeem and Bierra got worse the more they played. Wellington and Manu are seniors and fucking terrible. Eifler transferring is at least some fault of Gregory for not feeling like he would be apart of the rotation. If the coaches actually thought Nick Bolton was really good they would have made an effort to keep him. They didn't because they thought someone like Tafisi would be just as good.
Jimmy Lake had two players leave early for the NFL, one starter medically retire, another would be senior leave. He was able to figure it out with a bunch of freshman because he's a good coach. Gregory is starting two Seniors! I don't feel like making excuses for him.
We have had some misses in recruiting at LB and some bad luck. We lost 3 potential starters to injury or transfers in Beavers, Eifler, and Kaho. You lose three starters at any position, and your team is drastically worse. We are seeing it this year.
We also had Nick Bolton who is playing very well for Missouri. He’s better than Sirmon and Tafisi. Nobody cared when he decommitted. Some even were happy, but we would be better with him on our team. Another data point that nobody really knows what they are talking about a lot of the time.
I don’t remember if we stopped recruiting Weaver or not, but that was obviously a huge miss as well. He started out at Cal as a DE and maybe would not play ILB for us anyway.
It’s another data point on stacking good classes each year, but we did that to some extent. If we lost 3 DL or 3 DB’s, we would probably hurt there too, especially DL.
I don’t hate Gregory like a lot of you because I think he can really coach. Besides this year, ILB has been a strength. People forget Gregory was a very good DC for Cal. I’m not opposed to him moving on, but it’s far from a guarantee that it would benefit us. Yes, we want coaches that can both recruit and coach, but the coaching part doesn’t get enough attention due to the TBS obsession.
Dude he passed on Merlin
If we took Bolton and Merlin over Tafisi and Sirmon we would be in a much better place. Evaluating is very fucking important. None of them were highly sought recruits. All were pretty mid level. We chose the wrong ones.
We have had some misses in recruiting at LB and some bad luck. We lost 3 potential starters to injury or transfers in Beavers, Eifler, and Kaho. You lose three starters at any position, and your team is drastically worse. We are seeing it this year.
We also had Nick Bolton who is playing very well for Missouri. He’s better than Sirmon and Tafisi. Nobody cared when he decommitted. Some even were happy, but we would be better with him on our team. Another data point that nobody really knows what they are talking about a lot of the time.
I don’t remember if we stopped recruiting Weaver or not, but that was obviously a huge miss as well. He started out at Cal as a DE and maybe would not play ILB for us anyway.
It’s another data point on stacking good classes each year, but we did that to some extent. If we lost 3 DL or 3 DB’s, we would probably hurt there too, especially DL.
I don’t hate Gregory like a lot of you because I think he can really coach. Besides this year, ILB has been a strength. People forget Gregory was a very good DC for Cal. I’m not opposed to him moving on, but it’s far from a guarantee that it would benefit us. Yes, we want coaches that can both recruit and coach, but the coaching part doesn’t get enough attention due to the TBS obsession.
Dude he passed on Merlin
If we took Bolton and Merlin over Tafisi and Sirmon we would be in a much better place. Evaluating is very fucking important. None of them were highly sought recruits. All were pretty mid level. We chose the wrong ones.
Bolton had potential and was athletic but people here didn't seem to like his measurables. Too short and shit.
Merlin was awesome but the staff appeared to cool on him because of grades? Or because he had a kid? Not that having a kid is a no no since Murphy had one too.
We have had some misses in recruiting at LB and some bad luck. We lost 3 potential starters to injury or transfers in Beavers, Eifler, and Kaho. You lose three starters at any position, and your team is drastically worse. We are seeing it this year.
We also had Nick Bolton who is playing very well for Missouri. He’s better than Sirmon and Tafisi. Nobody cared when he decommitted. Some even were happy, but we would be better with him on our team. Another data point that nobody really knows what they are talking about a lot of the time.
I don’t remember if we stopped recruiting Weaver or not, but that was obviously a huge miss as well. He started out at Cal as a DE and maybe would not play ILB for us anyway.
It’s another data point on stacking good classes each year, but we did that to some extent. If we lost 3 DL or 3 DB’s, we would probably hurt there too, especially DL.
I don’t hate Gregory like a lot of you because I think he can really coach. Besides this year, ILB has been a strength. People forget Gregory was a very good DC for Cal. I’m not opposed to him moving on, but it’s far from a guarantee that it would benefit us. Yes, we want coaches that can both recruit and coach, but the coaching part doesn’t get enough attention due to the TBS obsession.
Dude he passed on Merlin
If we took Bolton and Merlin over Tafisi and Sirmon we would be in a much better place. Evaluating is very fucking important. None of them were highly sought recruits. All were pretty mid level. We chose the wrong ones.
Merlin was a high level prospect. The west was just stacked at linebacker that year so maybe he was not a super high rating. He was certainly a better prospect than sirmon or tafisi who I still have not given up on. Just a different level of player though.
Gregory probably has a lot of knowledge and is a capable dc for many schools. When you are trying to win at a very high level though you can’t have a position coach let his group preform this poorly. And again, there is no fix on the horizon for it. It in all likelihood is going to cost us a conference title. That sucks.
These are things you can see in advance like with the previous wr coaches or what is likely to happen in a year or two at tight end.
From a Final Four of UW, Bama, tOSU, and Oklahomo in a tweet that has since been deleted, to ASU.
I think he will do well there and Herm coaches up a strong defense with a good staff.
But it’s quite the fall for this kid. I feel bad for him. Gotta lock up your spot earlier and earlier these days.
Banks reached out to ASU LB coach Antonio Pierce and things moved quickly from there.
“AP is a great guy and a great coach," Banks said. “I hit him up and explained what was going on and he told me they definitely had a spot for me. We have a great connection and he told me they love how I play and said I would really fit in well there.”
“I talked to Herm Edwards too and that was really the first time I've had a chance to do that.”
Banks has visited ASU before but not since Herm Edwards and the new staff took over.
"I went a few years ago with Pro-Way, my 7v7 team," Banks said. "I visited a few times actually but not since coach Herm got there so I'm exited to get back.”
That says it all. The hot ticket of last summer had a cataclysmic fall and was not the “take no matter what” guy that BTP and LMC melted down about.
I thought he was really good and love adding talented kids, but when all the big hitters drop off and the kid has to call ASU and ask if there is a spot for him when he has never visited with the current staff, you know it’s bad.
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We also had Nick Bolton who is playing very well for Missouri. He’s better than Sirmon and Tafisi. Nobody cared when he decommitted. Some even were happy, but we would be better with him on our team. Another data point that nobody really knows what they are talking about a lot of the time.
I don’t remember if we stopped recruiting Weaver or not, but that was obviously a huge miss as well. He started out at Cal as a DE and maybe would not play ILB for us anyway.
It’s another data point on stacking good classes each year, but we did that to some extent. If we lost 3 DL or 3 DB’s, we would probably hurt there too, especially DL.
I don’t hate Gregory like a lot of you because I think he can really coach. Besides this year, ILB has been a strength. People forget Gregory was a very good DC for Cal. I’m not opposed to him moving on, but it’s far from a guarantee that it would benefit us. Yes, we want coaches that can both recruit and coach, but the coaching part doesn’t get enough attention due to the TBS obsession.
Did he fight to offer or bring on Merlin Robertson as another roster spot? We kind of cooled on him. Why? Especially if you are evaluating his talent vs sirmon and Talfisi.
You are right in that nobody really knows. All we know right now is our linebackers are absolutely horrible and playing at an unacceptable level. Wellington played decent at the end of last year but now sucks. Any position coach with any pride would be embarrassed by what we are putting out on the field. The most alarming issue is there is no answer on the horizon. We don’t appear to be recruiting any jc players for this gaping hole either. This position and wr are wrecking this team.
Jimmy Lake had two players leave early for the NFL, one starter medically retire, another would be senior leave. He was able to figure it out with a bunch of freshman because he's a good coach. Gregory is starting two Seniors! I don't feel like making excuses for him.
I've had to forgive Sirmon for being the chief misinformation supplier to dawgman. I always thought he was a quality coach and recruiter though.
When Sark hired Wilcox and Sirmon away from Tenn, their fans were more upset about losing Sirmon than Wilcox due to his recruiting.
Merlin was awesome but the staff appeared to cool on him because of grades? Or because he had a kid? Not that having a kid is a no no since Murphy had one too.
Gregory probably has a lot of knowledge and is a capable dc for many schools. When you are trying to win at a very high level though you can’t have a position coach let his group preform this poorly. And again, there is no fix on the horizon for it. It in all likelihood is going to cost us a conference title. That sucks.
These are things you can see in advance like with the previous wr coaches or what is likely to happen in a year or two at tight end.
And we all know pup has them beating us this year
I think he will do well there and Herm coaches up a strong defense with a good staff.
But it’s quite the fall for this kid. I feel bad for him. Gotta lock up your spot earlier and earlier these days.
Banks reached out to ASU LB coach Antonio Pierce and things moved quickly from there.
“AP is a great guy and a great coach," Banks said. “I hit him up and explained what was going on and he told me they definitely had a spot for me. We have a great connection and he told me they love how I play and said I would really fit in well there.”
“I talked to Herm Edwards too and that was really the first time I've had a chance to do that.”
Banks has visited ASU before but not since Herm Edwards and the new staff took over.
"I went a few years ago with Pro-Way, my 7v7 team," Banks said. "I visited a few times actually but not since coach Herm got there so I'm exited to get back.”
That says it all. The hot ticket of last summer had a cataclysmic fall and was not the “take no matter what” guy that BTP and LMC melted down about.
I thought he was really good and love adding talented kids, but when all the big hitters drop off and the kid has to call ASU and ask if there is a spot for him when he has never visited with the current staff, you know it’s bad.