The standards of success for Husky Football 2013
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Check the rules at the top of the board. TierbsHsotBoobs works hard on his outdated talking points and we're lucky to have them here.
Little early to claim pool boy isn't who we thought he was. He has UW on the hook for a quarter billion and a shitty team that won't fill it -
Please feel free to cite any outdated talking points.ACSlaterDawg said:
I like to stick to my talking points even though they are wrong and outdated.TierbsHsotBoobs said:Woodward is Emmert's pool boy. Trying to separate the two is Doogtarded.
Woodward is the guy who hired Sark and has defended his consistent mediocrity for the past four years.
Woodward himself is the guy who inspired the incremental progress joke of 7-6 > 7-6 > 7-6. That talking point is completely relevant. -
The incremental progress comment after the AC is fucking stupid but what is he supposed to say publicly? We haven't improved in 3 years and need to win 9-10 next year? Other teams would use it against UW in recruiting. Again, actions > words.
Like I said, Woodie has actually done some good things and the pool boy moniker is silly at this point.
Going forward, its his #1 job to make sure there is a strong football program and that stadium is filled and I'm less confident about that. -
ACSlaterDawg said:
The incremental progress comment after the AC is fucking stupid but what is he supposed to say publicly? We haven't improved in 3 years and need to win 9-10 next year? Other teams would use it against UW in recruiting. Again, actions > words.
Like I said, Woodie has actually done some good things and the pool boy moniker is silly at this point.
Going forward, its his #1 job to make sure there is a strong football program and that stadium is filled and I'm less confident about that.
A real AD would have actually fired Sark's sorry ass at midfield of Martin Vandal Stadium after the Apple Cup to address that problem.
Woodward got his job by being a pool boy and continues to tolerate mediocrity because he's a pool boy.
HTH
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The key to a good season is not so much wins and losses, but how the dawgs compete against the tough teams. Even if they loose to Stanford, Oregon, ASU, Arizona, Ucla, if they make it competitive and close then it will be a sign that the program is on an upward spiral. If the blowouts continue , then Sark will really be on the hot seat. I see as most likely an 8-4 season. The key in the losses is how close are they.
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73dawg said:
The key to a good season is not so much wins and losses, but how the dawgs compete against the tough teams. Even if they loose to Stanford, Oregon, ASU, Arizona, Ucla, if they make it competitive and close then it will be a sign that the program is on an upward spiral. If the blowouts continue , then Sark will really be on the hot seat. I see as most likely an 8-4 season. The key in the losses is how close are they.
Some here will mock you for saying this, but I agree. While I do think Sark should have 4-6 more wins during his reign, the blowouts are what really piss me off. They are happening multiple times every season and they need to stop.
8-4 with no blowouts would be a huge step in the rifht direction where I could actually believe we could win 10 or 11 in 2014. Unfortunately, I know we will get blown out at least a couple times.
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RoadDawg55 said:73dawg said:
The key to a good season is not so much wins and losses, but how the dawgs compete against the tough teams. Even if they loose to Stanford, Oregon, ASU, Arizona, Ucla, if they make it competitive and close then it will be a sign that the program is on an upward spiral. If the blowouts continue , then Sark will really be on the hot seat. I see as most likely an 8-4 season. The key in the losses is how close are they.
Some here will mock you for saying this, but I agree. While I do think Sark should have 4-6 more wins during his reign, the blowouts are what really piss me off. They are happening multiple times every season and they need to stop.
8-4 with no blowouts would be a huge step in the rifht direction where I could actually believe we could win 10 or 11 in 2014. Unfortunately, I know we will get blown out at least a couple times.
8-4 with this schedule is still mediocre bullshit.
Hope this helps.
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Actually boobs, it really depends. Say UW makes two more FGs and is 9-4 last year. Everyone would be saying its a top 20 team that would go 9-3 or 10-2. But, that would overlook the stats and metrics (like point differential) that say it was a mediocre, 7-5 team that would not be ready to improve in terms of W/L.
Texas A&M was 7-6 in 2011 but their point differential was +11ppg. They had numerous very close losses. Thus, they were in position to make a significant jump in W/L the next season.
If you are 8-4 and +5ppg then thats mediocre. But if UW is 8-4 and average +13ppg then that is considerable improvement.
However, 8 wins is the worst fucking outcome possible. 7 and theres a decent chance Sark is gone. 9 and thats enough to have another solid recruiting class which would give you two in a row (09-12 classes were mediocre as a whole, last one was good) and raise expectations to 10 wins & Pac12 north title in 2014. 8 wins placates the fag fans, the media, takes pressure off the AD and confirms that mushrooms will grow out of my ass before Sark ever catches a whiff of whats needed to field and coach a championship squad.
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Exactly. In 2011 the doogs said 7 wins showed progress. They were ecstatic hat the team started 6-2. The metics said bullshit. The schedule was front loaded with the easier games. The Arizona game was won with the luckiest, most improbable interception ever that got them to "house money". They were crushed by Nebraska , Stanford Oregon, USC, And Oregon State. Sark wasn't the problem they said, it was Holt who previously was known as the best DC in America. But they got 7 wins. You're right, this year if they get to 8, you should start farming mushrooms from your ass. I would even say start that up if they get to 7.ACSlaterDawg said:Actually boobs, it really depends. Say UW makes two more FGs and is 9-4 last year. Everyone would be saying its a top 20 team that would go 9-3 or 10-2. But, that would overlook the stats and metrics (like point differential) that say it was a mediocre, 7-5 team that would not be ready to improve in terms of W/L.
Texas A&M was 7-6 in 2011 but their point differential was +11ppg. They had numerous very close losses. Thus, they were in position to make a significant jump in W/L the next season.
If you are 8-4 and +5ppg then thats mediocre. But if UW is 8-4 and average +13ppg then that is considerable improvement.
However, 8 wins is the worst fucking outcome possible. 7 and theres a decent chance Sark is gone. 9 and thats enough to have another solid recruiting class which would give you two in a row (09-12 classes were mediocre as a whole, last one was good) and raise expectations to 10 wins & Pac12 north title in 2014. 8 wins placates the fag fans, the media, takes pressure off the AD and confirms that mushrooms will grow out of my ass before Sark ever catches a whiff of whats needed to field and coach a championship squad. -
Any way you look at it, Sark is not likely to meet any of our expectations. Does anybody really believe we will start playing well on the road? Does anyone believe we won't get blown out a couple of times this year? This year is going to be no different than any other year under Sark. We will win a really tough game or two, lose an unfathomable game, get blown out a couple times and call it a season with a record of 7-6. All we can do is pray a change happens after the season.
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I think nothing new or surprising will happen. We'll see moderate improvement generally but will fail to meet expectations. Defense will be about the same, offense will be better. We'll be 8-5. I predict a +6-7ppg margin of victory, 3 10-20 pt losses, 1 very close loss and 1 7-10pt loss. It will placate a lot of people but further show that Sark will never be a championship coach.RoadDawg55 said:Any way you look at it, Sark is not likely to meet any of our expectations. Does anybody really believe we will start playing well on the road? Does anyone believe we won't get blown out a couple of times this year? This year is going to be no different than any other year under Sark. We will win a really tough game or two, lose an unfathomable game, get blown out a couple times and call it a season with a record of 7-6. All we can do is pray a change happens after the season.
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Texas A&M fired their "2011" seven win coach and hired a twelve win coach. Regardless of point differential, seven wins did not meet their expectations, and they knew with their move to the SEC that they'd get destroyed if they didn't make a change. Their significant jump was primarily the result of the coaching staff change.ACSlaterDawg said:
Texas A&M was 7-6 in 2011 but their point differential was +11ppg. They had numerous very close losses. Thus, they were in position to make a significant jump in W/L the next season
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Agreed. Football is not a game of horseshoes with soft metrics. The metrics are unforgiving: Win-Loss.
A&M wanted to compete in the SEC. A seven win team from a weaker conference (Big-12) is going to get killed in the SEC.
The problem at Washington is Upper Campus. They really don't care; they haven't for a long time. If a fair number of tickets are sold, that's all anyone really wants.
Southerdawg said:
Texas A&M fired their "2011" seven win coach and hired a twelve win coach. Regardless of point differential, seven wins did not meet their expectations, and they knew with their move to the SEC that they'd get destroyed if they didn't make a change. Their significant jump was primarily the result of the coaching staff change.
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They wouldn't be remodeling the stadium if they didn't care. They do care. They want to succeed.
The problem is they don't know how to build a hardcore football program with high standards and that includes a marketing department that sets the tone. We've got limp-wristed academic and artistic types in charge of the program and its marketing. -
Mostly agree. They do care and really do want to succeed, but the marketing department does not set the tone. Their job is to maximize exposure and revenues. Unfortunately, this marketing bunch reflects the attitudes and ineptitude of those who really are responsible for setting the tone; the AD and the head coach. If the AD wants a hardcore program, he hires a head coach who either executes that vision or gets replaced. If the AD really wanted a hardcore football program, Sark and the marketing department would already be gone.DerekJohnson said:They wouldn't be remodeling the stadium if they didn't care. They do care. They want to succeed.
The problem is they don't know how to build a hardcore football program with high standards and that includes a marketing department that sets the tone. We've got limp-wristed academic and artistic types in charge of the program and its marketing. -
When you're walking to CenturyLink Field and have to pass beneath a horrifying gauntlet of Crazy Larry images, that sets a tone. One of which my psyche still hasn't recovered.Southerndawg said:
Mostly agree. They do care and really do want to succeed, but the marketing department does not set the tone. Their job is to maximize exposure and revenues. Unfortunately, this marketing bunch reflects the attitudes and ineptitude of those who really are responsible for setting the tone; the AD and the head coach. If the AD wants a hardcore program, he hires a head coach who either executes that vision or gets replaced. If the AD really wanted a hardcore football program, Sark and the marketing department would already be gone.DerekJohnson said:They wouldn't be remodeling the stadium if they didn't care. They do care. They want to succeed.
The problem is they don't know how to build a hardcore football program with high standards and that includes a marketing department that sets the tone. We've got limp-wristed academic and artistic types in charge of the program and its marketing. -
DerekJohnson said:
When you're walking to CenturyLink Field and have to pass beneath a horrifying gauntlet of Crazy Larry images, that sets a tone. One of which my psyche still hasn't recovered.Southerndawg said:
Mostly agree. They do care and really do want to succeed, but the marketing department does not set the tone. Their job is to maximize exposure and revenues. Unfortunately, this marketing bunch reflects the attitudes and ineptitude of those who really are responsible for setting the tone; the AD and the head coach. If the AD wants a hardcore program, he hires a head coach who either executes that vision or gets replaced. If the AD really wanted a hardcore football program, Sark and the marketing department would already be gone.DerekJohnson said:They wouldn't be remodeling the stadium if they didn't care. They do care. They want to succeed.
The problem is they don't know how to build a hardcore football program with high standards and that includes a marketing department that sets the tone. We've got limp-wristed academic and artistic types in charge of the program and its marketing.
That made me laugh
Woodard is an idiot for letting that Crazy Larry crap get beyond a concept, and the douche bags who came up with it should have been fired on the spot.
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Actually, neither one of us know, "if they care." What we do know, without question is they do care about selling tickets. Whether they connect that with having a hardcore, successful team is open to debate.
We also know they are clueless and inept about how to be successful. Does it really matter if they care? Probably not - the results are the same.DerekJohnson said:They wouldn't be remodeling the stadium if they didn't care. They do care. They want to succeed.
The problem is they don't know how to build a hardcore football program with high standards and that includes a marketing department that sets the tone. We've got limp-wristed academic and artistic types in charge of the program and its marketing. -
Agreed.
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Not a chance Pool Boy fires him for anything other than an absolute disaster - say 3 wins. If Bag'0'Dicks Sark even sniffs .500 he is safe.
Only hope is that a sub .500 season starts getting some attention and forces Full Retard Woody's hand in a couple seasons.
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Talked to a Coug friend last night. He asked what I thought about the upcoming season and why I didn't renew tickets. I simply said 3 straight years of 7-6 sucks. He said Sark should get fired if he goes 7-6 again.
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REAL Cougs want Sark to stay at UW forever.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:Talked to a Coug friend last night. He asked what I thought about the upcoming season and why I didn't renew tickets. I simply said 3 straight years of 7-6 sucks. He said Sark should get fired if he goes 7-6 again.
Even Cougs can see what Doogs can't.
Hi Harv!
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TierbsHsotBoobs said:
REAL Cougs, ducks, Beavers, Trees, Bears, Trojans, Bruins, Utes, Buffs, SunDevils and Wildcats, want Sark to stay at UW forever.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:Talked to a Coug friend last night. He asked what I thought about the upcoming season and why I didn't renew tickets. I simply said 3 straight years of 7-6 sucks. He said Sark should get fired if he goes 7-6 again.
Even Cougs can see what Doogs can't.
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I can't agree with you here. Finally getting around to renovating Husky Stadium 20-30 years late into a first class football facility says really nothing about UW's commitment to bringing back competitive championship football onto the field........ providing that we continue to keep buying enough tickets and donating enough money to pay the AD bills, which apparently we will. As long as the revenue generating product sells and stays out-of-trouble with the media, Sark and Woodward can be under no real pressure from UW administrators to get better and win more games. The pressure if there ever is any again at Montlake will always come from where should:..... from coaches and players and from us, if there are any of us left who insist on winning more than moral victories.DerekJohnson said:They wouldn't be remodeling the stadium if they didn't care. They do care. They want to succeed.
The problem is they don't know how to build a hardcore football program with high standards and that includes a marketing department that sets the tone. We've got limp-wristed academic and artistic types in charge of the program and its marketing.
Getting back to where Husky Football was in 1991-92 takes just one bold (for UW) move as a first step. That is to hire the best football intrinsic athletic director money can buy while giving him the university's full commitment to get us back to the gridiron dominance that we deserve and which is our true legacy. You may recall that before the stadium renovation was approved and funded and before Mark Emmert went to the NCAA to ply his elixers, UW administrators led by Dr. Snakeoil went through the motions of searching for football demolition man Todd Turner's replacement. That phony search was eventually dropped with the promotion of intern Woodward to the fulltime position of AD-in-training.
No university serious about it's football would hire an AD-in-training who in turn knew only enough about football to hire a head coach-in-training. If we're lucky, UW has become the Kent State of west coach football and Sark will be moving up Dawgfather style when his training is completed,..... or out to be replaced by another Woodward training hire. I do believe that many season ticket buying and Tyee donating Huskyfans are close to burnout on the football mediocrity and likely will have difficulty digesting more 7-6 Sarkball while coughing up more bucks. It may be fatalist, but I don't see any pressure for more winning coming from the new stadium nor from a UW administration that's not fully committed to winning big. That must come from the coaches and players and a fire self-started in their bellies to win.
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That's well said and I can't argue with any of it.Tailgater said:
I can't agree with you here. Finally getting around to renovating Husky Stadium 20-30 years late into a first class football facility says really nothing about UW's commitment to bringing back competitive championship football onto the field........ providing that we continue to keep buying enough tickets and donating enough money to pay the AD bills, which apparently we will. As long as the revenue generating product sells and stays out-of-trouble with the media, Sark and Woodward can be under no real pressure from UW administrators to get better and win more games. The pressure if there ever is any again at Montlake will always come from where should:..... from coaches and players and from us, if there are any of us left who insist on winning more than moral victories.DerekJohnson said:They wouldn't be remodeling the stadium if they didn't care. They do care. They want to succeed.
The problem is they don't know how to build a hardcore football program with high standards and that includes a marketing department that sets the tone. We've got limp-wristed academic and artistic types in charge of the program and its marketing.
Getting back to where Husky Football was in 1991-92 takes just one bold (for UW) move as a first step. That is to hire the best football intrinsic athletic director money can buy while giving him the university's full commitment to get us back to the gridiron dominance that we deserve and which is our true legacy. You may recall that before the stadium renovation was approved and funded and before Mark Emmert went to the NCAA to ply his elixers, UW administrators led by Dr. Snakeoil went through the motions of searching for football demolition man Todd Turner's replacement. That phony search was eventually dropped with the promotion of intern Woodward to the fulltime position of AD-in-training.
No university serious about it's football would hire an AD-in-training who in turn knew only enough about football to hire a head coach-in-training. If we're lucky, UW has become the Kent State of west coach football and Sark will be moving up Dawgfather style when his training is completed,..... or out to be replaced by another Woodward training hire. I do believe that many season ticket buying and Tyee donating Huskyfans are close to burnout on the football mediocrity and likely will have difficulty digesting more 7-6 Sarkball while coughing up more bucks. It may be fatalist, but I don't see any pressure for more winning coming from the new stadium nor from a UW administration that's not fully committed to winning big. That must come from the coaches and players and a fire self-started in their bellies to win. -
Tailgater has always been one of my favorite posters. Always well thought out.DerekJohnson said:
That's well said and I can't argue with any of it.Tailgater said:
I can't agree with you here. Finally getting around to renovating Husky Stadium 20-30 years late into a first class football facility says really nothing about UW's commitment to bringing back competitive championship football onto the field........ providing that we continue to keep buying enough tickets and donating enough money to pay the AD bills, which apparently we will. As long as the revenue generating product sells and stays out-of-trouble with the media, Sark and Woodward can be under no real pressure from UW administrators to get better and win more games. The pressure if there ever is any again at Montlake will always come from where should:..... from coaches and players and from us, if there are any of us left who insist on winning more than moral victories.DerekJohnson said:They wouldn't be remodeling the stadium if they didn't care. They do care. They want to succeed.
The problem is they don't know how to build a hardcore football program with high standards and that includes a marketing department that sets the tone. We've got limp-wristed academic and artistic types in charge of the program and its marketing.
Getting back to where Husky Football was in 1991-92 takes just one bold (for UW) move as a first step. That is to hire the best football intrinsic athletic director money can buy while giving him the university's full commitment to get us back to the gridiron dominance that we deserve and which is our true legacy. You may recall that before the stadium renovation was approved and funded and before Mark Emmert went to the NCAA to ply his elixers, UW administrators led by Dr. Snakeoil went through the motions of searching for football demolition man Todd Turner's replacement. That phony search was eventually dropped with the promotion of intern Woodward to the fulltime position of AD-in-training.
No university serious about it's football would hire an AD-in-training who in turn knew only enough about football to hire a head coach-in-training. If we're lucky, UW has become the Kent State of west coach football and Sark will be moving up Dawgfather style when his training is completed,..... or out to be replaced by another Woodward training hire. I do believe that many season ticket buying and Tyee donating Huskyfans are close to burnout on the football mediocrity and likely will have difficulty digesting more 7-6 Sarkball while coughing up more bucks. It may be fatalist, but I don't see any pressure for more winning coming from the new stadium nor from a UW administration that's not fully committed to winning big. That must come from the coaches and players and a fire self-started in their bellies to win.
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Classy
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Gettin' real sick of the mediocre bullshit around Montlake. If Sark can't find a way to win on the road, he needs his ass out the door after this upcoming failed season. Makes me want to get on a big drunk and throw pointed objects at breakable shit!
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Now would be an acceptable time for you to walk away from this website and find a cup o' tea that suits you. 'Cause this ain't it.BertWinthrop said:Gettin' real sick of the mediocre bullshit around Montlake. If Sark can't find a way to win on the road, he needs his ass out the door after this upcoming failed season. Makes me want to get on a big drunk and throw pointed objects at breakable shit!
HTH
