I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real family
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
HRYK. Americans don't want to pick strawberries. But they are down with roofing and framing. Not sure about dry wall - that's nasty shit.
Around here, it’s the Russians that own drywall. Not joking one single bit. Just North of Salem, there is a community called Woodburn. It’s general area is ground zero in the mass MODERN immigration to Oregon. Not only Hispanics but thousands of Russians as well that were deemed religiously persecuted. The Mid Willamette Valley is as good of a test bin as there is for mass immigration in a relatively short term, as there is in this Country in the last 30 years. We’ve benefited from this, but there are some hiccups all the same. Mostly our schools have suffered the most.
But that fucking music though.
The Russians own the tile and stone wholesale and installation biz in Seattle, and biz has been good to them.
I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real family
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
HRYK. Americans don't want to pick strawberries. But they are down with roofing and framing. Not sure about dry wall - that's nasty shit.
Sure they're "down with" that you funky monkey.
But they want too much for it. Honkeys be wanting health insurance, paid vaca, hour-long lunch breaks, pension, 401-k match, career advancement opportunity, etc. etc.
After whitey and OBK are done with our economy, a 1200 sq ft rambler in Marysville will cost $2 million because you're all going to fuck up the supply-side of the curve.
You guys really need to fuck off with this protectionist shit. It's for losers. Believe me.
Sad
So I suppose no cheap housing was built in the US between 1924 and 1965 when the gates we're shut for 40 years? I'm not a nativist - far from it. But the honkeys that were born here need jerbs too and that has to be balanced against too much immigration driving down the wages they can earn (in certain professions). Some immigration is very good thing and benefits the economy, but unchecked and unregulated immigration likely has too high of a social cost. It's a lot more complex than just what the cost of new roof is with a group of Messicans vs honkeys. Look at CA, for instance, any cost savings from cheap labor, is off set to some degree by higher spending on social services- i.e., edumacation, healthcare, etc.
The Yella platform is simple, path to citizenship for most that are here already, and then close the gates for a while and let the melting pot do it's thing.
Immigration is actually necessary. Or economy is built where we have to have growth. Look at Japan's lost 3 decades for clues what could happen to America. You can't have growth without increase in population. And birth rates are declining. That being said, we need to refine or immigration policy to help those who want to come in to America and produce. Kick those out who want to not so much produce.
Duh that's totally reasonable.
And if you are a politician and suggest it you are RACIST and would never get elected as a democrat.
I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real family
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
You're coming at this again from your globalist angle. The world isn't an open borders dystopia. It's carved up into nation states, with each state looking out for its own self interest and the interests of its own citizens above all others. At least that's how it should be. The only nation expected NOT to look out for its own interests is the US. Fuck that shit. That's why we elected Trump, to crush the globalist agenda. We aren't going to throw open the gates to any and all fuckers from all over the world to flood the country and take jerbs from Americans. There are enough people out of work as is. You want a revolution? That's how you'll get one.
Now I know what Reagan and McCarthy were up against. Jim Jim Jimminy I'm dealing with capitalist-hating heathen.
You are either for free markets, or you are for rigged markets. There is no in-between.
It's not globalism. It's letting our people win biggly.
If there are people who will come here and compete and make it better, then that's good. If our organizations and their owners do well because of that, then that's good too.
I'm not worried, at all, about people who can't compete just because of the accident of history that they are here.
Again, if a third or fourth generation American family STILL can't figure out how to play ball, despite the monumental advantage you've had by being here, then maybe they need to leave the gayme altogether. If a second generation Korean family has figured it out, from convenience store to Ivy League educated children, then they deserve to win and they deserve to stay. If their paper work is not in order, then get it in order and keep them and encourage them to breed.
THAT is what American is. You're describing provincial France. Protectionist policies are a recipe to doom an empire. Like markets: you're either growing or dying. There's no other choice.
You and Race have really disappointed me today.
Sad.
Koreans and Vietnamese got in line, filed the proper paper work and came here legally. I am PRO WELL REGULATED, LEGAL IMMIGRATION. I am AGAINST, UNREGULATED CHAOS. There are something like 2 billion people from 3rd world shitholes that would come here in NY minute if we opened the gates. Free markets still require regulation to function properly. Axe Churchill.
I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real family
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
HRYK. Americans don't want to pick strawberries. But they are down with roofing and framing. Not sure about dry wall - that's nasty shit.
Sure they're "down with" that you funky monkey.
But they want too much for it. Honkeys be wanting health insurance, paid vaca, hour-long lunch breaks, pension, 401-k match, career advancement opportunity, etc. etc.
After whitey and OBK are done with our economy, a 1200 sq ft rambler in Marysville will cost $2 million because you're all going to fuck up the supply-side of the curve.
You guys really need to fuck off with this protectionist shit. It's for losers. Believe me.
Sad
So I suppose no cheap housing was built in the US between 1924 and 1965 when the gates we're shut for 40 years? I'm not a nativist - far from it. But the honkeys that were born here need jerbs too and that has to be balanced against too much immigration driving down the wages they can earn (in certain professions). Some immigration is very good thing and benefits the economy, but unchecked and unregulated immigration likely has too high of a social cost. It's a lot more complex than just what the cost of new roof is with a group of Messicans vs honkeys. Look at CA, for instance, any cost savings from cheap labor, is off set to some degree by higher spending on social services- i.e., edumacation, healthcare, etc.
The Yella platform is simple, path to citizenship for most that are here already, and then close the gates for a while and let the melting pot do it's thing.
Immigration is actually necessary. Or economy is built where we have to have growth. Look at Japan's lost 3 decades for clues what could happen to America. You can't have growth without increase in population. And birth rates are declining. That being said, we need to refine or immigration policy to help those who want to come in to America and produce. Kick those out who want to not so much produce.
Duh that's totally reasonable.
And if you are a politician and suggest it you are RACIST and would never get elected as a democrat.
I think most people agree with that. The problem is that people disagree with who is productive.
I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real family
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
HRYK. Americans don't want to pick strawberries. But they are down with roofing and framing. Not sure about dry wall - that's nasty shit.
Sure they're "down with" that you funky monkey.
But they want too much for it. Honkeys be wanting health insurance, paid vaca, hour-long lunch breaks, pension, 401-k match, career advancement opportunity, etc. etc.
After whitey and OBK are done with our economy, a 1200 sq ft rambler in Marysville will cost $2 million because you're all going to fuck up the supply-side of the curve.
You guys really need to fuck off with this protectionist shit. It's for losers. Believe me.
Sad
So I suppose no cheap housing was built in the US between 1924 and 1965 when the gates we're shut for 40 years? I'm not a nativist - far from it. But the honkeys that were born here need jerbs too and that has to be balanced against too much immigration driving down the wages they can earn (in certain professions). Some immigration is very good thing and benefits the economy, but unchecked and unregulated immigration likely has too high of a social cost. It's a lot more complex than just what the cost of new roof is with a group of Messicans vs honkeys. Look at CA, for instance, any cost savings from cheap labor, is off set to some degree by higher spending on social services- i.e., edumacation, healthcare, etc.
The Yella platform is simple, path to citizenship for most that are here already, and then close the gates for a while and let the melting pot do it's thing.
Immigration is actually necessary. Or economy is built where we have to have growth. Look at Japan's lost 3 decades for clues what could happen to America. You can't have growth without increase in population. And birth rates are declining. That being said, we need to refine or immigration policy to help those who want to come in to America and produce. Kick those out who want to not so much produce.
Duh that's totally reasonable.
And if you are a politician and suggest it you are RACIST and would never get elected as a democrat.
I think most people agree with that. The problem is that people disagree with who is productive.
We have plenty of low skilled laborers. Don't need more.
I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real family
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
HRYK. Americans don't want to pick strawberries. But they are down with roofing and framing. Not sure about dry wall - that's nasty shit.
Sure they're "down with" that you funky monkey.
But they want too much for it. Honkeys be wanting health insurance, paid vaca, hour-long lunch breaks, pension, 401-k match, career advancement opportunity, etc. etc.
After whitey and OBK are done with our economy, a 1200 sq ft rambler in Marysville will cost $2 million because you're all going to fuck up the supply-side of the curve.
You guys really need to fuck off with this protectionist shit. It's for losers. Believe me.
Sad
So I suppose no cheap housing was built in the US between 1924 and 1965 when the gates we're shut for 40 years? I'm not a nativist - far from it. But the honkeys that were born here need jerbs too and that has to be balanced against too much immigration driving down the wages they can earn (in certain professions). Some immigration is very good thing and benefits the economy, but unchecked and unregulated immigration likely has too high of a social cost. It's a lot more complex than just what the cost of new roof is with a group of Messicans vs honkeys. Look at CA, for instance, any cost savings from cheap labor, is off set to some degree by higher spending on social services- i.e., edumacation, healthcare, etc.
The Yella platform is simple, path to citizenship for most that are here already, and then close the gates for a while and let the melting pot do it's thing.
Immigration is actually necessary. Or economy is built where we have to have growth. Look at Japan's lost 3 decades for clues what could happen to America. You can't have growth without increase in population. And birth rates are declining. That being said, we need to refine or immigration policy to help those who want to come in to America and produce. Kick those out who want to not so much produce.
Duh that's totally reasonable.
And if you are a politician and suggest it you are RACIST and would never get elected as a democrat.
I think most people agree with that. The problem is that people disagree with who is productive.
We have plenty of low skilled laborers. Don't need more.
Not for you to decide; it's for the market to decide.
Criminy. There is no way you could know that.
Yeah, there are plenty of people who will do the shit work for X$ and bennies. That's not the point.
There was piece on the other day where mid-west farmers were complaining about labor shortages. Where are all those Americans that need work? Why are those guys complaining?
I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real family
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
HRYK. Americans don't want to pick strawberries. But they are down with roofing and framing. Not sure about dry wall - that's nasty shit.
Sure they're "down with" that you funky monkey.
But they want too much for it. Honkeys be wanting health insurance, paid vaca, hour-long lunch breaks, pension, 401-k match, career advancement opportunity, etc. etc.
After whitey and OBK are done with our economy, a 1200 sq ft rambler in Marysville will cost $2 million because you're all going to fuck up the supply-side of the curve.
You guys really need to fuck off with this protectionist shit. It's for losers. Believe me.
Sad
So I suppose no cheap housing was built in the US between 1924 and 1965 when the gates we're shut for 40 years? I'm not a nativist - far from it. But the honkeys that were born here need jerbs too and that has to be balanced against too much immigration driving down the wages they can earn (in certain professions). Some immigration is very good thing and benefits the economy, but unchecked and unregulated immigration likely has too high of a social cost. It's a lot more complex than just what the cost of new roof is with a group of Messicans vs honkeys. Look at CA, for instance, any cost savings from cheap labor, is off set to some degree by higher spending on social services- i.e., edumacation, healthcare, etc.
The Yella platform is simple, path to citizenship for most that are here already, and then close the gates for a while and let the melting pot do it's thing.
Immigration is actually necessary. Or economy is built where we have to have growth. Look at Japan's lost 3 decades for clues what could happen to America. You can't have growth without increase in population. And birth rates are declining. That being said, we need to refine or immigration policy to help those who want to come in to America and produce. Kick those out who want to not so much produce.
Duh that's totally reasonable.
And if you are a politician and suggest it you are RACIST and would never get elected as a democrat.
I think most people agree with that. The problem is that people disagree with who is productive.
We have plenty of low skilled laborers. Don't need more.
Not for you to decide; it's for the market to decide.
Criminy. There is no way you could know that.
Yeah, there are plenty of people who will do the shit work for X$ and bennies. That's not the point.
There was piece on the other day where mid-west farmers were complaining about labor shortages. Where are all those Americans that need work? Why are those guys complaining?
The market isn't deciding when the borders are open to millions of dirt farmers willing to work for dirt
Every nation including this one has the right to control their borders
And for those retards arguing with me - here is your proof of the desire for open borders
I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real family
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
You're coming at this again from your globalist angle. The world isn't an open borders dystopia. It's carved up into nation states, with each state looking out for its own self interest and the interests of its own citizens above all others. At least that's how it should be. The only nation expected NOT to look out for its own interests is the US. Fuck that shit. That's why we elected Trump, to crush the globalist agenda. We aren't going to throw open the gates to any and all fuckers from all over the world to flood the country and take jerbs from Americans. There are enough people out of work as is. You want a revolution? That's how you'll get one.
Now I know what Reagan and McCarthy were up against. Jim Jim Jimminy I'm dealing with capitalist-hating heathen.
You are either for free markets, or you are for rigged markets. There is no in-between.
It's not globalism. It's letting our people win biggly.
If there are people who will come here and compete and make it better, then that's good. If our organizations and their owners do well because of that, then that's good too.
I'm not worried, at all, about people who can't compete just because of the accident of history that they are here.
Again, if a third or fourth generation American family STILL can't figure out how to play ball, despite the monumental advantage you've had by being here, then maybe they need to leave the gayme altogether. If a second generation Korean family has figured it out, from convenience store to Ivy League educated children, then they deserve to win and they deserve to stay. If their paper work is not in order, then get it in order and keep them and encourage them to breed.
THAT is what American is. You're describing provincial France. Protectionist policies are a recipe to doom an empire. Like markets: you're either growing or dying. There's no other choice.
You and Race have really disappointed me today.
Sad.
Koreans and Vietnamese got in line, filed the proper paper work and came here legally. I am PRO WELL REGULATED, LEGAL IMMIGRATION. I am AGAINST, UNREGULATED CHAOS. There are something like 2 billion people from 3rd world shitholes that would come here in NY minute if we opened the gates. Free markets still require regulation to function properly. Axe Churchill.
The people who need to come in on water tend to get in line because it's harder to hide. And with that, my frens at INS would tell you that there are A LOT of illegal Russians and Viets and Koreans and others who came in on land vis a vis "other means". Certainly not at the level of Mexican immigrants, but they're not an insignificant number either. Besides the point anyway.
As to housing in pre-65 or whatever, come on.
> Different labor pool, different buyer pool, different everything.
> Blue collar labor then was a much different beast than it is today. TODAY's American worker wants a lot to do low-skilled shit. College tuition, 401-k match, pension, health care, etc. The pool of American born and raised people who will do that work under less than American standards of employment is shockingly low. They'd rather collect from the gov, and they do, but I don't read anyone here trying to build a utopia by getting rid of those people. I guess the difference between us is the relative importance we place on paperwork and substance. But anyway, none of that matters because ... just try and hire a framing crew in the greater Seattle area today. Do that first and then get back to me. There is plenty of work my fren, and this is not the only busy corner of the US.
> And, pre-65, everyone didn't expect to own a house. And, pre-65, everyone didn't. And, pre-65, it was hard to find financing and hard to save enough to pull it off. And, pre-65, it didn't dominate our overall national economy near to the tune it does now. The country was a different place in that era. People expected a lot of less from life in general comparatively. And do you know why they expect a lot today? Because of the standard of living that free markets created here. So terribly hard to compare. It's hard.
Go ahead with protectionism. I've insulated myself and mine from it, so I don't care as much as it might seem. I'll just have a good laff when you pinkos get what you all wished for.
Nobody wants complete chaos. That's a politicized false dichotomy and plays right into the Sessions/Miller playbook. There have been floods of illegal Mexican immigrants in the US for a long, long time, particularly in Texas and the west coast. Somebody is just enjoying political support on their backs right now. If you can't see that, then you're not the man I thought you were.
I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real family
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
HRYK. Americans don't want to pick strawberries. But they are down with roofing and framing. Not sure about dry wall - that's nasty shit.
Sure they're "down with" that you funky monkey.
But they want too much for it. Honkeys be wanting health insurance, paid vaca, hour-long lunch breaks, pension, 401-k match, career advancement opportunity, etc. etc.
After whitey and OBK are done with our economy, a 1200 sq ft rambler in Marysville will cost $2 million because you're all going to fuck up the supply-side of the curve.
You guys really need to fuck off with this protectionist shit. It's for losers. Believe me.
Sad
So I suppose no cheap housing was built in the US between 1924 and 1965 when the gates we're shut for 40 years? I'm not a nativist - far from it. But the honkeys that were born here need jerbs too and that has to be balanced against too much immigration driving down the wages they can earn (in certain professions). Some immigration is very good thing and benefits the economy, but unchecked and unregulated immigration likely has too high of a social cost. It's a lot more complex than just what the cost of new roof is with a group of Messicans vs honkeys. Look at CA, for instance, any cost savings from cheap labor, is off set to some degree by higher spending on social services- i.e., edumacation, healthcare, etc.
The Yella platform is simple, path to citizenship for most that are here already, and then close the gates for a while and let the melting pot do it's thing.
Immigration is actually necessary. Or economy is built where we have to have growth. Look at Japan's lost 3 decades for clues what could happen to America. You can't have growth without increase in population. And birth rates are declining. That being said, we need to refine or immigration policy to help those who want to come in to America and produce. Kick those out who want to not so much produce.
Duh that's totally reasonable.
And if you are a politician and suggest it you are RACIST and would never get elected as a democrat.
I think most people agree with that. The problem is that people disagree with who is productive.
We have plenty of low skilled laborers. Don't need more.
Not for you to decide; it's for the market to decide.
Criminy. There is no way you could know that.
Yeah, there are plenty of people who will do the shit work for X$ and bennies. That's not the point.
There was piece on the other day where mid-west farmers were complaining about labor shortages. Where are all those Americans that need work? Why are those guys complaining?
The market isn't deciding when the borders are open to millions of dirt farmers willing to work for dirt
Every nation including this one has the right to control their borders
And for those retards arguing with me - here is your proof of the desire for open borders
I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real family
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
You're coming at this again from your globalist angle. The world isn't an open borders dystopia. It's carved up into nation states, with each state looking out for its own self interest and the interests of its own citizens above all others. At least that's how it should be. The only nation expected NOT to look out for its own interests is the US. Fuck that shit. That's why we elected Trump, to crush the globalist agenda. We aren't going to throw open the gates to any and all fuckers from all over the world to flood the country and take jerbs from Americans. There are enough people out of work as is. You want a revolution? That's how you'll get one.
Now I know what Reagan and McCarthy were up against. Jim Jim Jimminy I'm dealing with capitalist-hating heathen.
You are either for free markets, or you are for rigged markets. There is no in-between.
It's not globalism. It's letting our people win biggly.
If there are people who will come here and compete and make it better, then that's good. If our organizations and their owners do well because of that, then that's good too.
I'm not worried, at all, about people who can't compete just because of the accident of history that they are here.
Again, if a third or fourth generation American family STILL can't figure out how to play ball, despite the monumental advantage you've had by being here, then maybe they need to leave the gayme altogether. If a second generation Korean family has figured it out, from convenience store to Ivy League educated children, then they deserve to win and they deserve to stay. If their paper work is not in order, then get it in order and keep them and encourage them to breed.
THAT is what American is. You're describing provincial France. Protectionist policies are a recipe to doom an empire. Like markets: you're either growing or dying. There's no other choice.
You and Race have really disappointed me today.
Sad.
There's such tard in this poast I'm going to have to go through and surgically address it piece by piece. I don't hate capitalism. I support it in the United States. The USA is the country I give a fuck about. The rest of the world can take care of itself, that's not our jerb. We can have our capitalist system in our own microcosm and still trade and make deals with governments that don't have the same system. Sorry to prick the bubble you seem to be living in, but the rest of the world isn't necessarily capitalist like we are. They don't have to play by the same rules, so ignore them.
The US is overpopulated and doesn't need more immigration, it needs less. Right now it needs ZERO new immigrants. Except for the very best of the best, those with special skills in the sciences, etc. IOW, only 5 star recruits need apply.
And you should be worried about people who can't compete. People who can't compete should 'leave the game?' Pray tell kewg, what exactly do you think is going to happen when millions and millions of people who can't compete leave the game? I think you already know the answer. Usually a revolution, often violent. You can't just displace millions of natives with millions of fucking foreigners and expect your global capitalist utopia to materialize with no fallout. No, that fallout might destroy the the system of capitalism itself, because those millions of people whose jobs were taken by foreigners would have no stake in the capitalist system anymore.
That piece of shit Merkel has attempted to do what you would love to see done here in Germany. Even worse, she opened the gates to religious fascists. Not giving a single fuck about how this would effect her own people and the culture of Germany. The people of Europe reject the Eurabia experiment. The democrats and establishment republicans are allied with these morons and are peddling the same agenda. The people of the United States reject that agenda. They reject Europe's stupidity. They reject and will DESTROY any movement that seeks to do the same here.
I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real family
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
HRYK. Americans don't want to pick strawberries. But they are down with roofing and framing. Not sure about dry wall - that's nasty shit.
Sure they're "down with" that you funky monkey.
But they want too much for it. Honkeys be wanting health insurance, paid vaca, hour-long lunch breaks, pension, 401-k match, career advancement opportunity, etc. etc.
After whitey and OBK are done with our economy, a 1200 sq ft rambler in Marysville will cost $2 million because you're all going to fuck up the supply-side of the curve.
You guys really need to fuck off with this protectionist shit. It's for losers. Believe me.
Sad
So I suppose no cheap housing was built in the US between 1924 and 1965 when the gates we're shut for 40 years? I'm not a nativist - far from it. But the honkeys that were born here need jerbs too and that has to be balanced against too much immigration driving down the wages they can earn (in certain professions). Some immigration is very good thing and benefits the economy, but unchecked and unregulated immigration likely has too high of a social cost. It's a lot more complex than just what the cost of new roof is with a group of Messicans vs honkeys. Look at CA, for instance, any cost savings from cheap labor, is off set to some degree by higher spending on social services- i.e., edumacation, healthcare, etc.
The Yella platform is simple, path to citizenship for most that are here already, and then close the gates for a while and let the melting pot do it's thing.
Immigration is actually necessary. Or economy is built where we have to have growth. Look at Japan's lost 3 decades for clues what could happen to America. You can't have growth without increase in population. And birth rates are declining. That being said, we need to refine or immigration policy to help those who want to come in to America and produce. Kick those out who want to not so much produce.
Duh that's totally reasonable.
And if you are a politician and suggest it you are RACIST and would never get elected as a democrat.
I think most people agree with that. The problem is that people disagree with who is productive.
We have plenty of low skilled laborers. Don't need more.
Not for you to decide; it's for the market to decide.
Criminy. There is no way you could know that.
Yeah, there are plenty of people who will do the shit work for X$ and bennies. That's not the point.
There was piece on the other day where mid-west farmers were complaining about labor shortages. Where are all those Americans that need work? Why are those guys complaining?
The market isn't deciding when the borders are open to millions of dirt farmers willing to work for dirt
Every nation including this one has the right to control their borders
And for those retards arguing with me - here is your proof of the desire for open borders
I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real family
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
You're coming at this again from your globalist angle. The world isn't an open borders dystopia. It's carved up into nation states, with each state looking out for its own self interest and the interests of its own citizens above all others. At least that's how it should be. The only nation expected NOT to look out for its own interests is the US. Fuck that shit. That's why we elected Trump, to crush the globalist agenda. We aren't going to throw open the gates to any and all fuckers from all over the world to flood the country and take jerbs from Americans. There are enough people out of work as is. You want a revolution? That's how you'll get one.
Now I know what Reagan and McCarthy were up against. Jim Jim Jimminy I'm dealing with capitalist-hating heathen.
You are either for free markets, or you are for rigged markets. There is no in-between.
It's not globalism. It's letting our people win biggly.
If there are people who will come here and compete and make it better, then that's good. If our organizations and their owners do well because of that, then that's good too.
I'm not worried, at all, about people who can't compete just because of the accident of history that they are here.
Again, if a third or fourth generation American family STILL can't figure out how to play ball, despite the monumental advantage you've had by being here, then maybe they need to leave the gayme altogether. If a second generation Korean family has figured it out, from convenience store to Ivy League educated children, then they deserve to win and they deserve to stay. If their paper work is not in order, then get it in order and keep them and encourage them to breed.
THAT is what American is. You're describing provincial France. Protectionist policies are a recipe to doom an empire. Like markets: you're either growing or dying. There's no other choice.
You and Race have really disappointed me today.
Sad.
There's such tard in this poast I'm going to have to go through and surgically address it piece by piece. I don't hate capitalism. I support it in the United States. The USA is the country I give a fuck about. The rest of the world can take care of itself, that's not our jerb. We can have our capitalist system in our own microcosm and still trade and make deals with governments that don't have the same system. Sorry to prick the bubble you seem to be living in, but the rest of the world isn't necessarily capitalist like we are. They don't have to play by the same rules, so ignore them.
The US is overpopulated and doesn't need more immigration, it needs less. Right now it needs ZERO new immigrants. Except for the very best of the best, those with special skills in the sciences, etc. IOW, only 5 star recruits need apply.
And you should be worried about people who can't compete. People who can't compete should 'leave the game?' Pray tell kewg, what exactly do you think is going to happen when millions and millions of people who can't compete leave the game? I think you already know the answer. Usually a revolution, often violent. You can't just displace millions of natives with millions of fucking foreigners and expect your global capitalist utopia to materialize with no fallout. No, that fallout might destroy the the system of capitalism itself, because those millions of people whose jobs were taken by foreigners would have no stake in the capitalist system anymore.
That piece of shit Merkel has attempted to do what you would love to see done here in Germany. Even worse, she opened the gates to religious fascists. Not giving a single fuck about how this would effect her own people and the culture of Germany. The people of Europe reject the Eurabia experiment. The democrats are allied with these morons and are peddling the same agenda. The people of the United States reject that agenda, they reject Europe's stupidity, they reject and will DESTROY any movement that seeks to do the same here.
I literally stopped reading right there. That's not capitalism. Sorry. That's a closed economy and it is doomed from the start.
I support Trump's hard line on China and others on even-handed trade (and there are economists who can argue cogently on why it doesn't matter, but whatever). But fixing things for American workers is not capitalism. It is a failure to understand what capitalism really is and really is not.
I lied: I took a peek at your Merkel shit. That's a completely different issue. Don't conflate. And, by happenstance, which economies carry the EU and which drag? Germany has their issues. But their economic engine isn't one of them.
I lied again: I took another peek at your revolution point. I'm not scared. One, I'm tuff. Two, I'm a chameleon and can expertly blend into any crowd. Three, the capitalists will find a way to suppress the rebellion. We know what to do with surplus labor. There are ways.
I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real family
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
HRYK. Americans don't want to pick strawberries. But they are down with roofing and framing. Not sure about dry wall - that's nasty shit.
Sure they're "down with" that you funky monkey.
But they want too much for it. Honkeys be wanting health insurance, paid vaca, hour-long lunch breaks, pension, 401-k match, career advancement opportunity, etc. etc.
After whitey and OBK are done with our economy, a 1200 sq ft rambler in Marysville will cost $2 million because you're all going to fuck up the supply-side of the curve.
You guys really need to fuck off with this protectionist shit. It's for losers. Believe me.
Sad
So I suppose no cheap housing was built in the US between 1924 and 1965 when the gates we're shut for 40 years? I'm not a nativist - far from it. But the honkeys that were born here need jerbs too and that has to be balanced against too much immigration driving down the wages they can earn (in certain professions). Some immigration is very good thing and benefits the economy, but unchecked and unregulated immigration likely has too high of a social cost. It's a lot more complex than just what the cost of new roof is with a group of Messicans vs honkeys. Look at CA, for instance, any cost savings from cheap labor, is off set to some degree by higher spending on social services- i.e., edumacation, healthcare, etc.
The Yella platform is simple, path to citizenship for most that are here already, and then close the gates for a while and let the melting pot do it's thing.
Immigration is actually necessary. Or economy is built where we have to have growth. Look at Japan's lost 3 decades for clues what could happen to America. You can't have growth without increase in population. And birth rates are declining. That being said, we need to refine or immigration policy to help those who want to come in to America and produce. Kick those out who want to not so much produce.
Duh that's totally reasonable.
And if you are a politician and suggest it you are RACIST and would never get elected as a democrat.
I think most people agree with that. The problem is that people disagree with who is productive.
We have plenty of low skilled laborers. Don't need more.
Not for you to decide; it's for the market to decide.
Criminy. There is no way you could know that.
Yeah, there are plenty of people who will do the shit work for X$ and bennies. That's not the point.
There was piece on the other day where mid-west farmers were complaining about labor shortages. Where are all those Americans that need work? Why are those guys complaining?
The market isn't deciding when the borders are open to millions of dirt farmers willing to work for dirt
Every nation including this one has the right to control their borders
And for those retards arguing with me - here is your proof of the desire for open borders
I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real family
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
HRYK. Americans don't want to pick strawberries. But they are down with roofing and framing. Not sure about dry wall - that's nasty shit.
Sure they're "down with" that you funky monkey.
But they want too much for it. Honkeys be wanting health insurance, paid vaca, hour-long lunch breaks, pension, 401-k match, career advancement opportunity, etc. etc.
After whitey and OBK are done with our economy, a 1200 sq ft rambler in Marysville will cost $2 million because you're all going to fuck up the supply-side of the curve.
You guys really need to fuck off with this protectionist shit. It's for losers. Believe me.
Sad
So I suppose no cheap housing was built in the US between 1924 and 1965 when the gates we're shut for 40 years? I'm not a nativist - far from it. But the honkeys that were born here need jerbs too and that has to be balanced against too much immigration driving down the wages they can earn (in certain professions). Some immigration is very good thing and benefits the economy, but unchecked and unregulated immigration likely has too high of a social cost. It's a lot more complex than just what the cost of new roof is with a group of Messicans vs honkeys. Look at CA, for instance, any cost savings from cheap labor, is off set to some degree by higher spending on social services- i.e., edumacation, healthcare, etc.
The Yella platform is simple, path to citizenship for most that are here already, and then close the gates for a while and let the melting pot do it's thing.
Immigration is actually necessary. Or economy is built where we have to have growth. Look at Japan's lost 3 decades for clues what could happen to America. You can't have growth without increase in population. And birth rates are declining. That being said, we need to refine or immigration policy to help those who want to come in to America and produce. Kick those out who want to not so much produce.
Duh that's totally reasonable.
And if you are a politician and suggest it you are RACIST and would never get elected as a democrat.
I think most people agree with that. The problem is that people disagree with who is productive.
We have plenty of low skilled laborers. Don't need more.
Not for you to decide; it's for the market to decide.
Criminy. There is no way you could know that.
Yeah, there are plenty of people who will do the shit work for X$ and bennies. That's not the point.
There was piece on the other day where mid-west farmers were complaining about labor shortages. Where are all those Americans that need work? Why are those guys complaining?
The market isn't deciding when the borders are open to millions of dirt farmers willing to work for dirt
Every nation including this one has the right to control their borders
And for those retards arguing with me - here is your proof of the desire for open borders
I'm a capitalist. You're in bed with pinko OBK. Sad.
Try hiring a framing crew in the PNW right now. Tell me why you can't after you've tried.
The trail is littered with the bodies of people who thought they were smarter than markets.
We could bring in trained construction workers or we could acknowledge that I am right and the dirt farmers working for nothing have fucked the market for construction labor
Americans are mobile and will go to where the jobs are, like Seattle
You are advocating taking advantage of the down trodden to pad the bottom line of corrupt bidnessmen
Democrats want votes, GOP wants cheap illegal labor that can't say shit
I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real family
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
You're coming at this again from your globalist angle. The world isn't an open borders dystopia. It's carved up into nation states, with each state looking out for its own self interest and the interests of its own citizens above all others. At least that's how it should be. The only nation expected NOT to look out for its own interests is the US. Fuck that shit. That's why we elected Trump, to crush the globalist agenda. We aren't going to throw open the gates to any and all fuckers from all over the world to flood the country and take jerbs from Americans. There are enough people out of work as is. You want a revolution? That's how you'll get one.
Now I know what Reagan and McCarthy were up against. Jim Jim Jimminy I'm dealing with capitalist-hating heathen.
You are either for free markets, or you are for rigged markets. There is no in-between.
It's not globalism. It's letting our people win biggly.
If there are people who will come here and compete and make it better, then that's good. If our organizations and their owners do well because of that, then that's good too.
I'm not worried, at all, about people who can't compete just because of the accident of history that they are here.
Again, if a third or fourth generation American family STILL can't figure out how to play ball, despite the monumental advantage you've had by being here, then maybe they need to leave the gayme altogether. If a second generation Korean family has figured it out, from convenience store to Ivy League educated children, then they deserve to win and they deserve to stay. If their paper work is not in order, then get it in order and keep them and encourage them to breed.
THAT is what American is. You're describing provincial France. Protectionist policies are a recipe to doom an empire. Like markets: you're either growing or dying. There's no other choice.
You and Race have really disappointed me today.
Sad.
Koreans and Vietnamese got in line, filed the proper paper work and came here legally. I am PRO WELL REGULATED, LEGAL IMMIGRATION. I am AGAINST, UNREGULATED CHAOS. There are something like 2 billion people from 3rd world shitholes that would come here in NY minute if we opened the gates. Free markets still require regulation to function properly. Axe Churchill.
The people who need to come in on water tend to get in line because it's harder to hide. And with that, my frens at INS would tell you that there are A LOT of illegal Russians and Viets and Koreans and others who came in on land vis a vis "other means". Certainly not at the level of Mexican immigrants, but they're not an insignificant number either. Besides the point anyway.
As to housing in pre-65 or whatever, come on.
> Different labor pool, different buyer pool, different everything.
> Blue collar labor then was a much different beast than it is today. TODAY's American worker wants a lot to do low-skilled shit. College tuition, 401-k match, pension, health care, etc. The pool of American born and raised people who will do that work under less than American standards of employment is shockingly low. They'd rather collect from the gov, and they do, but I don't read anyone here trying to build a utopia by getting rid of those people. I guess the difference between us is the relative importance we place on paperwork and substance. But anyway, none of that matters because ... just try and hire a framing crew in the greater Seattle area today. Do that first and then get back to me. There is plenty of work my fren, and this is not the only busy corner of the US.
> And, pre-65, everyone didn't expect to own a house. And, pre-65, everyone didn't. And, pre-65, it was hard to find financing and hard to save enough to pull it off. And, pre-65, it didn't dominate our overall national economy near to the tune it does now. The country was a different place in that era. People expected a lot of less from life in general comparatively. And do you know why they expect a lot today? Because of the standard of living that free markets created here. So terribly hard to compare. It's hard.
Go ahead with protectionism. I've insulated myself and mine from it, so I don't care as much as it might seem. I'll just have a good laff when you pinkos get what you all wished for.
Nobody wants complete chaos. That's a politicized false dichotomy and plays right into the Sessions/Miller playbook. There have been floods of illegal Mexican immigrants in the US for a long, long time, particularly in Texas and the west coast. Somebody is just enjoying political support on their backs right now. If you can't see that, then you're not the man I thought you were.
Sad.
Your Former Rowboat Fren, Creepy Bartholomew Cewg
It's really sad, Creep. You were my best Rowboat Fren.
The expurts have done a lot of research which suggests a lot of employers in hospitality, food processing, construction, etc, prefer to hire immigrant labor, not only because they are cheaper, but they are perceived to be better workers- i.e., more reliable, complain less, worker harder, etc, etc. I understand and appreciate the economic benefit and the point you are making to this affect. All that said Jake Browning Sucks the flaw I've always found in your argument is what are you going to do with the large mass of honkeys (and blicks) that have dropped out of the labor force entirely? There are YUGE social costs associated with dealing with this. I know you don't read books anymore, but if you did Charle's Murray's "Coming Apart" is a must read for any true, conservative. We've made it way too easy for people to choose idle poverty over working poverty in this cuntry, and we need to find a way to get more of those people to take a shitty jerb.
I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real family
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
HRYK. Americans don't want to pick strawberries. But they are down with roofing and framing. Not sure about dry wall - that's nasty shit.
Sure they're "down with" that you funky monkey.
But they want too much for it. Honkeys be wanting health insurance, paid vaca, hour-long lunch breaks, pension, 401-k match, career advancement opportunity, etc. etc.
After whitey and OBK are done with our economy, a 1200 sq ft rambler in Marysville will cost $2 million because you're all going to fuck up the supply-side of the curve.
You guys really need to fuck off with this protectionist shit. It's for losers. Believe me.
Sad
So I suppose no cheap housing was built in the US between 1924 and 1965 when the gates we're shut for 40 years? I'm not a nativist - far from it. But the honkeys that were born here need jerbs too and that has to be balanced against too much immigration driving down the wages they can earn (in certain professions). Some immigration is very good thing and benefits the economy, but unchecked and unregulated immigration likely has too high of a social cost. It's a lot more complex than just what the cost of new roof is with a group of Messicans vs honkeys. Look at CA, for instance, any cost savings from cheap labor, is off set to some degree by higher spending on social services- i.e., edumacation, healthcare, etc.
The Yella platform is simple, path to citizenship for most that are here already, and then close the gates for a while and let the melting pot do it's thing.
Immigration is actually necessary. Or economy is built where we have to have growth. Look at Japan's lost 3 decades for clues what could happen to America. You can't have growth without increase in population. And birth rates are declining. That being said, we need to refine or immigration policy to help those who want to come in to America and produce. Kick those out who want to not so much produce.
Duh that's totally reasonable.
And if you are a politician and suggest it you are RACIST and would never get elected as a democrat.
I think most people agree with that. The problem is that people disagree with who is productive.
We have plenty of low skilled laborers. Don't need more.
I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real family
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
You're coming at this again from your globalist angle. The world isn't an open borders dystopia. It's carved up into nation states, with each state looking out for its own self interest and the interests of its own citizens above all others. At least that's how it should be. The only nation expected NOT to look out for its own interests is the US. Fuck that shit. That's why we elected Trump, to crush the globalist agenda. We aren't going to throw open the gates to any and all fuckers from all over the world to flood the country and take jerbs from Americans. There are enough people out of work as is. You want a revolution? That's how you'll get one.
Now I know what Reagan and McCarthy were up against. Jim Jim Jimminy I'm dealing with capitalist-hating heathen.
You are either for free markets, or you are for rigged markets. There is no in-between.
It's not globalism. It's letting our people win biggly.
If there are people who will come here and compete and make it better, then that's good. If our organizations and their owners do well because of that, then that's good too.
I'm not worried, at all, about people who can't compete just because of the accident of history that they are here.
Again, if a third or fourth generation American family STILL can't figure out how to play ball, despite the monumental advantage you've had by being here, then maybe they need to leave the gayme altogether. If a second generation Korean family has figured it out, from convenience store to Ivy League educated children, then they deserve to win and they deserve to stay. If their paper work is not in order, then get it in order and keep them and encourage them to breed.
THAT is what American is. You're describing provincial France. Protectionist policies are a recipe to doom an empire. Like markets: you're either growing or dying. There's no other choice.
You and Race have really disappointed me today.
Sad.
There's such tard in this poast I'm going to have to go through and surgically address it piece by piece. I don't hate capitalism. I support it in the United States. The USA is the country I give a fuck about. The rest of the world can take care of itself, that's not our jerb. We can have our capitalist system in our own microcosm and still trade and make deals with governments that don't have the same system. Sorry to prick the bubble you seem to be living in, but the rest of the world isn't necessarily capitalist like we are. They don't have to play by the same rules, so ignore them.
The US is overpopulated and doesn't need more immigration, it needs less. Right now it needs ZERO new immigrants. Except for the very best of the best, those with special skills in the sciences, etc. IOW, only 5 star recruits need apply.
And you should be worried about people who can't compete. People who can't compete should 'leave the game?' Pray tell kewg, what exactly do you think is going to happen when millions and millions of people who can't compete leave the game? I think you already know the answer. Usually a revolution, often violent. You can't just displace millions of natives with millions of fucking foreigners and expect your global capitalist utopia to materialize with no fallout. No, that fallout might destroy the the system of capitalism itself, because those millions of people whose jobs were taken by foreigners would have no stake in the capitalist system anymore.
That piece of shit Merkel has attempted to do what you would love to see done here in Germany. Even worse, she opened the gates to religious fascists. Not giving a single fuck about how this would effect her own people and the culture of Germany. The people of Europe reject the Eurabia experiment. The democrats are allied with these morons and are peddling the same agenda. The people of the United States reject that agenda, they reject Europe's stupidity, they reject and will DESTROY any movement that seeks to do the same here.
I literally stopped reading right there. That's not capitalism. Sorry. That's a closed economy and it is doomed from the start.
I support Trump's hard line on China and others on even-handed trade (and there are economists who can argue cogently on why it doesn't matter, but whatever). But fixing things for American workers is not capitalism. It is a failure to understand what capitalism really is and really is not.
I lied: I took a peek at your Merkel shit. That's a completely different issue. Don't conflate. And, by happenstance, which economies carry the EU and which drag? Germany has their issues. But their economic engine isn't one of them.
I lied again: I took another peek at your revolution point. I'm not scared. One, I'm tuff. Two, I'm a chameleon and can expertly blend into any crowd. Three, the capitalists will find a way to suppress the rebellion. We know what to do with surplus labor. There are ways.
Deep down, I know you're better than this.
Still sad.
You're the real pinko my cuog frenemy. Lets pretend for a moment, God forbid, that you are the Prez. You see, in order to maintain this cruel system of displacing Americans with a foreign horde, saying fuck it and fuck you to the people whose interests should be your primary concern by definition as President, you would have to become a dictator and alter the nature of America itself to suppress the angry, displaced, now jobless millions from mobilizing and overthrowing you and your broken system. And you seem to believe its wrong to limit our capitalistic viewpoint only to the United States. I concluded from your diatribe that it would be necessary to force the rest of the world to play ball by our rules. How exactly would you do that? You were forced to become an autocrat domestically because your system would implode otherwise. Now you'll strike out internationally to bring the rest of the world into your 'capitalistic' fold?
blockquote class="Quote" rel=" Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
You're coming at this again from your globalist angle. The world isn't an open borders dystopia. It's carved up into nation states, with each state looking out for its own self interest and the interests of its own citizens above all others. At least that's how it should be. The only nation expected NOT to look out for its own interests is the US. Fuck that shit. That's why we elected Trump, to crush the globalist agenda. We aren't going to throw open the gates to any and all fuckers from all over the world to flood the country and take jerbs from Americans. There are enough people out of work as is. You want a revolution? That's how you'll get one.
Now I know what Reagan and McCarthy were up against. Jim Jim Jimminy I'm dealing with capitalist-hating heathen.
You are either for free markets, or you are for rigged markets. There is no in-between.
It's not globalism. It's letting our people win biggly.
If there are people who will come here and compete and make it better, then that's good. If our organizations and their owners do well because of that, then that's good too.
I'm not worried, at all, about people who can't compete just because of the accident of history that they are here.
Again, if a third or fourth generation American family STILL can't figure out how to play ball, despite the monumental advantage you've had by being here, then maybe they need to leave the gayme altogether. If a second generation Korean family has figured it out, from convenience store to Ivy League educated children, then they deserve to win and they deserve to stay. If their paper work is not in order, then get it in order and keep them and encourage them to breed.
THAT is what American is. You're describing provincial France. Protectionist policies are a recipe to doom an empire. Like markets: you're either growing or dying. There's no other choice.
You and Race have really disappointed me today.
Sad.
Koreans and Vietnamese got in line, filed the proper paper work and came here legally. I am PRO WELL REGULATED, LEGAL IMMIGRATION. I am AGAINST, UNREGULATED CHAOS. There are something like 2 billion people from 3rd world shitholes that would come here in NY minute if we opened the gates. Free markets still require regulation to function properly. Axe Churchill.
The people who need to come in on water tend to get in line because it's harder to hide. And with that, my frens at INS would tell you that there are A LOT of illegal Russians and Viets and Koreans and others who came in on land vis a vis "other means". Certainly not at the level of Mexican immigrants, but they're not an insignificant number either. Besides the point anyway.
As to housing in pre-65 or whatever, come on.
> Different labor pool, different buyer pool, different everything.
> Blue collar labor then was a much different beast than it is today. TODAY's American worker wants a lot to do low-skilled shit. College tuition, 401-k match, pension, health care, etc. The pool of American born and raised people who will do that work under less than American standards of employment is shockingly low. They'd rather collect from the gov, and they do, but I don't read anyone here trying to build a utopia by getting rid of those people. I guess the difference between us is the relative importance we place on paperwork and substance. But anyway, none of that matters because ... just try and hire a framing crew in the greater Seattle area today. Do that first and then get back to me. There is plenty of work my fren, and this is not the only busy corner of the US.
> And, pre-65, everyone didn't expect to own a house. And, pre-65, everyone didn't. And, pre-65, it was hard to find financing and hard to save enough to pull it off. And, pre-65, it didn't dominate our overall national economy near to the tune it does now. The country was a different place in that era. People expected a lot of less from life in general comparatively. And do you know why they expect a lot today? Because of the standard of living that free markets created here. So terribly hard to compare. It's hard.
Go ahead with protectionism. I've insulated myself and mine from it, so I don't care as much as it might seem. I'll just have a good laff when you pinkos get what you all wished for.
Nobody wants complete chaos. That's a politicized false dichotomy and plays right into the Sessions/Miller playbook. There have been floods of illegal Mexican immigrants in the US for a long, long time, particularly in Texas and the west coast. Somebody is just enjoying political support on their backs right now. If you can't see that, then you're not the man I thought you were.
Sad.
Your Former Rowboat Fren, Creepy Bartholomew Cewg
So much wrong with this I don’t know where to start. Although you teeter and toddler between open borders, you clearly want the gates wide open. If there are labor shortages in certain areas, the markets will take care of that too. Guess how??? By offering a higher wage... Gasp!! Most of this gets passed down to the consumer. But who cares. That’s how capitalism works. Opening the gates so someone else will frame the house at half the price is what has eroded the base of this economy in the last 40 years. That along with off shoring Has contributed to income inequities more than any factors.
As for your housing and standard of living argument?!! Playah please. Starting in the late 40s people could save a third of their income rather easily. Everything was cheaper. And most people built their house, so it was mostly paid for by the time it was done. Way more people owned their homes than didn’t back then. But then in the 70s, something changed. They learned from the Vietnam war that there were over a billion people in Asia that would work all day and night for a tenth of the wage. So companies started building factories over there and tripled their margins. All the while mfg began to disappear here and the great wage drop began. Also another thing happened on the West Coast even earlier. Migrant workers who had originally come here for farm work and then return home after harvest, began to roll the dice and not return home. And greedy companies were more than happy to hire them illegally at 1/3 of the price of what a legal worker earned.
Then the migrants who were supposed to LEAVE!!!! found out if you started having babies here, not only do you have a citizen in the house but also a cash cow. This exploded into the here and now and over time these illegal workers seeped into every industry that didn’t require them to be customer facing. The wage effect of this effectively handed 3/4 of the wealth in this country to a handful of people. That wasn’t capitalism. It was theft. Theft by the business owner and theft by the illegal worker.
blockquote class="Quote" rel=" Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
You're coming at this again from your globalist angle. The world isn't an open borders dystopia. It's carved up into nation states, with each state looking out for its own self interest and the interests of its own citizens above all others. At least that's how it should be. The only nation expected NOT to look out for its own interests is the US. Fuck that shit. That's why we elected Trump, to crush the globalist agenda. We aren't going to throw open the gates to any and all fuckers from all over the world to flood the country and take jerbs from Americans. There are enough people out of work as is. You want a revolution? That's how you'll get one.
Now I know what Reagan and McCarthy were up against. Jim Jim Jimminy I'm dealing with capitalist-hating heathen.
You are either for free markets, or you are for rigged markets. There is no in-between.
It's not globalism. It's letting our people win biggly.
If there are people who will come here and compete and make it better, then that's good. If our organizations and their owners do well because of that, then that's good too.
I'm not worried, at all, about people who can't compete just because of the accident of history that they are here.
Again, if a third or fourth generation American family STILL can't figure out how to play ball, despite the monumental advantage you've had by being here, then maybe they need to leave the gayme altogether. If a second generation Korean family has figured it out, from convenience store to Ivy League educated children, then they deserve to win and they deserve to stay. If their paper work is not in order, then get it in order and keep them and encourage them to breed.
THAT is what American is. You're describing provincial France. Protectionist policies are a recipe to doom an empire. Like markets: you're either growing or dying. There's no other choice.
You and Race have really disappointed me today.
Sad.
Koreans and Vietnamese got in line, filed the proper paper work and came here legally. I am PRO WELL REGULATED, LEGAL IMMIGRATION. I am AGAINST, UNREGULATED CHAOS. There are something like 2 billion people from 3rd world shitholes that would come here in NY minute if we opened the gates. Free markets still require regulation to function properly. Axe Churchill.
The people who need to come in on water tend to get in line because it's harder to hide. And with that, my frens at INS would tell you that there are A LOT of illegal Russians and Viets and Koreans and others who came in on land vis a vis "other means". Certainly not at the level of Mexican immigrants, but they're not an insignificant number either. Besides the point anyway.
As to housing in pre-65 or whatever, come on.
> Different labor pool, different buyer pool, different everything.
> Blue collar labor then was a much different beast than it is today. TODAY's American worker wants a lot to do low-skilled shit. College tuition, 401-k match, pension, health care, etc. The pool of American born and raised people who will do that work under less than American standards of employment is shockingly low. They'd rather collect from the gov, and they do, but I don't read anyone here trying to build a utopia by getting rid of those people. I guess the difference between us is the relative importance we place on paperwork and substance. But anyway, none of that matters because ... just try and hire a framing crew in the greater Seattle area today. Do that first and then get back to me. There is plenty of work my fren, and this is not the only busy corner of the US.
> And, pre-65, everyone didn't expect to own a house. And, pre-65, everyone didn't. And, pre-65, it was hard to find financing and hard to save enough to pull it off. And, pre-65, it didn't dominate our overall national economy near to the tune it does now. The country was a different place in that era. People expected a lot of less from life in general comparatively. And do you know why they expect a lot today? Because of the standard of living that free markets created here. So terribly hard to compare. It's hard.
Go ahead with protectionism. I've insulated myself and mine from it, so I don't care as much as it might seem. I'll just have a good laff when you pinkos get what you all wished for.
Nobody wants complete chaos. That's a politicized false dichotomy and plays right into the Sessions/Miller playbook. There have been floods of illegal Mexican immigrants in the US for a long, long time, particularly in Texas and the west coast. Somebody is just enjoying political support on their backs right now. If you can't see that, then you're not the man I thought you were.
Sad.
Your Former Rowboat Fren, Creepy Bartholomew Cewg
So much wrong with this I don’t know where to start. Although you teeter and toddler between open borders, you clearly want the gates wide open. If there are labor shortages in certain areas, the markets will take care of that too. Guess how??? By offering a higher wage... Gasp!! Most of this gets passed down to the consumer. But who cares. That’s how capitalism works. Opening the gates so someone else will frame the house at half the price is what has eroded the base of this economy in the last 40 years. That along with off shoring Has contributed to income inequities more than any factors.
As for your housing and standard of living argument?!! Playah please. Starting in the late 40s people could save a third of their income rather easily. Everything was cheaper. And most people built their house, so it was mostly paid for by the time it was done. Way more people owned their homes than didn’t back then. But then in the 70s, something changed. They learned from the Vietnam war that there were over a billion people in Asia that would work all day and night for a tenth of the wage. So companies started building factories over there and tripled their margins. All the while mfg began to disappear here and the great wage drop began. Also another thing happened on the West Coast even earlier. Migrant workers who had originally come here for farm work and then return home after harvest, began to roll the dice and not return home. And greedy companies were more than happy to hire them illegally at 1/3 of the price of what a legal worker earned.
Then the migrants who were supposed to LEAVE!!!! found out if you started having babies here, not only do you have a citizen in the house but also a cash cow. This exploded into the here and now and over time these illegal workers seeped into every industry that didn’t require them to be customer facing. The wage effect of this effectively handed 3/4 of the wealth in this country to a handful of people. That wasn’t capitalism. It was theft. Theft by the business owner and theft by the illegal worker.
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Duh that's totally reasonable.
And if you are a politician and suggest it you are RACIST and would never get elected as a democrat.
Criminy. There is no way you could know that.
Yeah, there are plenty of people who will do the shit work for X$ and bennies. That's not the point.
There was piece on the other day where mid-west farmers were complaining about labor shortages. Where are all those Americans that need work? Why are those guys complaining?
Every nation including this one has the right to control their borders
And for those retards arguing with me - here is your proof of the desire for open borders
As to housing in pre-65 or whatever, come on.
> Different labor pool, different buyer pool, different everything.
> Blue collar labor then was a much different beast than it is today. TODAY's American worker wants a lot to do low-skilled shit. College tuition, 401-k match, pension, health care, etc. The pool of American born and raised people who will do that work under less than American standards of employment is shockingly low. They'd rather collect from the gov, and they do, but I don't read anyone here trying to build a utopia by getting rid of those people. I guess the difference between us is the relative importance we place on paperwork and substance. But anyway, none of that matters because ... just try and hire a framing crew in the greater Seattle area today. Do that first and then get back to me. There is plenty of work my fren, and this is not the only busy corner of the US.
> And, pre-65, everyone didn't expect to own a house. And, pre-65, everyone didn't. And, pre-65, it was hard to find financing and hard to save enough to pull it off. And, pre-65, it didn't dominate our overall national economy near to the tune it does now. The country was a different place in that era. People expected a lot of less from life in general comparatively. And do you know why they expect a lot today? Because of the standard of living that free markets created here. So terribly hard to compare. It's hard.
Go ahead with protectionism. I've insulated myself and mine from it, so I don't care as much as it might seem. I'll just have a good laff when you pinkos get what you all wished for.
Nobody wants complete chaos. That's a politicized false dichotomy and plays right into the Sessions/Miller playbook. There have been floods of illegal Mexican immigrants in the US for a long, long time, particularly in Texas and the west coast. Somebody is just enjoying political support on their backs right now. If you can't see that, then you're not the man I thought you were.
Sad.
Your Former Rowboat Fren,
Creepy Bartholomew Cewg
Sad.
The US is overpopulated and doesn't need more immigration, it needs less. Right now it needs ZERO new immigrants. Except for the very best of the best, those with special skills in the sciences, etc. IOW, only 5 star recruits need apply.
And you should be worried about people who can't compete. People who can't compete should 'leave the game?' Pray tell kewg, what exactly do you think is going to happen when millions and millions of people who can't compete leave the game? I think you already know the answer. Usually a revolution, often violent. You can't just displace millions of natives with millions of fucking foreigners and expect your global capitalist utopia to materialize with no fallout. No, that fallout might destroy the the system of capitalism itself, because those millions of people whose jobs were taken by foreigners would have no stake in the capitalist system anymore.
That piece of shit Merkel has attempted to do what you would love to see done here in Germany. Even worse, she opened the gates to religious fascists. Not giving a single fuck about how this would effect her own people and the culture of Germany. The people of Europe reject the Eurabia experiment. The democrats and establishment republicans are allied with these morons and are peddling the same agenda. The people of the United States reject that agenda. They reject Europe's stupidity. They reject and will DESTROY any movement that seeks to do the same here.
And you want open borders
#IWasRight
I support Trump's hard line on China and others on even-handed trade (and there are economists who can argue cogently on why it doesn't matter, but whatever). But fixing things for American workers is not capitalism. It is a failure to understand what capitalism really is and really is not.
I lied: I took a peek at your Merkel shit. That's a completely different issue. Don't conflate. And, by happenstance, which economies carry the EU and which drag? Germany has their issues. But their economic engine isn't one of them.
I lied again: I took another peek at your revolution point. I'm not scared. One, I'm tuff. Two, I'm a chameleon and can expertly blend into any crowd. Three, the capitalists will find a way to suppress the rebellion. We know what to do with surplus labor. There are ways.
Deep down, I know you're better than this.
Still sad.
Your translation services are not necessary.
I'm a capitalist. You're in bed with pinko OBK. Sad.
Try hiring a framing crew in the PNW right now. Tell me why you can't after you've tried.
The trail is littered with the bodies of people who thought they were smarter than markets.
Americans are mobile and will go to where the jobs are, like Seattle
You are advocating taking advantage of the down trodden to pad the bottom line of corrupt bidnessmen
Democrats want votes, GOP wants cheap illegal labor that can't say shit
I want what is best for my fellow hiumans
I'm just better than you
The expurts have done a lot of research which suggests a lot of employers in hospitality, food processing, construction, etc, prefer to hire immigrant labor, not only because they are cheaper, but they are perceived to be better workers- i.e., more reliable, complain less, worker harder, etc, etc. I understand and appreciate the economic benefit and the point you are making to this affect. All that said
Jake Browning Sucksthe flaw I've always found in your argument is what are you going to do with the large mass of honkeys (and blicks) that have dropped out of the labor force entirely? There are YUGE social costs associated with dealing with this. I know you don't read books anymore, but if you did Charle's Murray's "Coming Apart" is a must read for any true, conservative. We've made it way too easy for people to choose idle poverty over working poverty in this cuntry, and we need to find a way to get more of those people to take a shitty jerb.Ein Volk. Ein Reich. Ein Kügher.
Heil Creepler.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
You're coming at this again from your globalist angle. The world isn't an open borders dystopia. It's carved up into nation states, with each state looking out for its own self interest and the interests of its own citizens above all others. At least that's how it should be. The only nation expected NOT to look out for its own interests is the US. Fuck that shit. That's why we elected Trump, to crush the globalist agenda. We aren't going to throw open the gates to any and all fuckers from all over the world to flood the country and take jerbs from Americans. There are enough people out of work as is. You want a revolution? That's how you'll get one.
Now I know what Reagan and McCarthy were up against. Jim Jim Jimminy I'm dealing with capitalist-hating heathen.
You are either for free markets, or you are for rigged markets. There is no in-between.
It's not globalism. It's letting our people win biggly.
If there are people who will come here and compete and make it better, then that's good. If our organizations and their owners do well because of that, then that's good too.
I'm not worried, at all, about people who can't compete just because of the accident of history that they are here.
Again, if a third or fourth generation American family STILL can't figure out how to play ball, despite the monumental advantage you've had by being here, then maybe they need to leave the gayme altogether. If a second generation Korean family has figured it out, from convenience store to Ivy League educated children, then they deserve to win and they deserve to stay. If their paper work is not in order, then get it in order and keep them and encourage them to breed.
THAT is what American is. You're describing provincial France. Protectionist policies are a recipe to doom an empire. Like markets: you're either growing or dying. There's no other choice.
You and Race have really disappointed me today.
Sad.
Koreans and Vietnamese got in line, filed the proper paper work and came here legally. I am PRO WELL REGULATED, LEGAL IMMIGRATION. I am AGAINST, UNREGULATED CHAOS. There are something like 2 billion people from 3rd world shitholes that would come here in NY minute if we opened the gates. Free markets still require regulation to function properly. Axe Churchill.
The people who need to come in on water tend to get in line because it's harder to hide. And with that, my frens at INS would tell you that there are A LOT of illegal Russians and Viets and Koreans and others who came in on land vis a vis "other means". Certainly not at the level of Mexican immigrants, but they're not an insignificant number either. Besides the point anyway.
As to housing in pre-65 or whatever, come on.
> Different labor pool, different buyer pool, different everything.
> Blue collar labor then was a much different beast than it is today. TODAY's American worker wants a lot to do low-skilled shit. College tuition, 401-k match, pension, health care, etc. The pool of American born and raised people who will do that work under less than American standards of employment is shockingly low. They'd rather collect from the gov, and they do, but I don't read anyone here trying to build a utopia by getting rid of those people. I guess the difference between us is the relative importance we place on paperwork and substance. But anyway, none of that matters because ... just try and hire a framing crew in the greater Seattle area today. Do that first and then get back to me. There is plenty of work my fren, and this is not the only busy corner of the US.
> And, pre-65, everyone didn't expect to own a house. And, pre-65, everyone didn't. And, pre-65, it was hard to find financing and hard to save enough to pull it off. And, pre-65, it didn't dominate our overall national economy near to the tune it does now. The country was a different place in that era. People expected a lot of less from life in general comparatively. And do you know why they expect a lot today? Because of the standard of living that free markets created here. So terribly hard to compare. It's hard.
Go ahead with protectionism. I've insulated myself and mine from it, so I don't care as much as it might seem. I'll just have a good laff when you pinkos get what you all wished for.
Nobody wants complete chaos. That's a politicized false dichotomy and plays right into the Sessions/Miller playbook. There have been floods of illegal Mexican immigrants in the US for a long, long time, particularly in Texas and the west coast. Somebody is just enjoying political support on their backs right now. If you can't see that, then you're not the man I thought you were.
Sad.
Your Former Rowboat Fren,
Creepy Bartholomew Cewg
So much wrong with this I don’t know where to start. Although you teeter and toddler between open borders, you clearly want the gates wide open. If there are labor shortages in certain areas, the markets will take care of that too. Guess how??? By offering a higher wage... Gasp!! Most of this gets passed down to the consumer. But who cares. That’s how capitalism works. Opening the gates so someone else will frame the house at half the price is what has eroded the base of this economy in the last 40 years. That along with off shoring Has contributed to income inequities more than any factors.
As for your housing and standard of living argument?!! Playah please. Starting in the late 40s people could save a third of their income rather easily. Everything was cheaper. And most people built their house, so it was mostly paid for by the time it was done. Way more people owned their homes than didn’t back then. But then in the 70s, something changed. They learned from the Vietnam war that there were over a billion people in Asia that would work all day and night for a tenth of the wage. So companies started building factories over there and tripled their margins. All the while mfg began to disappear here and the great wage drop began. Also another thing happened on the West Coast even earlier. Migrant workers who had originally come here for farm work and then return home after harvest, began to roll the dice and not return home. And greedy companies were more than happy to hire them illegally at 1/3 of the price of what a legal worker earned.
Then the migrants who were supposed to LEAVE!!!! found out if you started having babies here, not only do you have a citizen in the house but also a cash cow. This exploded into the here and now and over time these illegal workers seeped into every industry that didn’t require them to be customer facing. The wage effect of this effectively handed 3/4 of the wealth in this country to a handful of people. That wasn’t capitalism. It was theft. Theft by the business owner and theft by the illegal worker.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
You're coming at this again from your globalist angle. The world isn't an open borders dystopia. It's carved up into nation states, with each state looking out for its own self interest and the interests of its own citizens above all others. At least that's how it should be. The only nation expected NOT to look out for its own interests is the US. Fuck that shit. That's why we elected Trump, to crush the globalist agenda. We aren't going to throw open the gates to any and all fuckers from all over the world to flood the country and take jerbs from Americans. There are enough people out of work as is. You want a revolution? That's how you'll get one.
Now I know what Reagan and McCarthy were up against. Jim Jim Jimminy I'm dealing with capitalist-hating heathen.
You are either for free markets, or you are for rigged markets. There is no in-between.
It's not globalism. It's letting our people win biggly.
If there are people who will come here and compete and make it better, then that's good. If our organizations and their owners do well because of that, then that's good too.
I'm not worried, at all, about people who can't compete just because of the accident of history that they are here.
Again, if a third or fourth generation American family STILL can't figure out how to play ball, despite the monumental advantage you've had by being here, then maybe they need to leave the gayme altogether. If a second generation Korean family has figured it out, from convenience store to Ivy League educated children, then they deserve to win and they deserve to stay. If their paper work is not in order, then get it in order and keep them and encourage them to breed.
THAT is what American is. You're describing provincial France. Protectionist policies are a recipe to doom an empire. Like markets: you're either growing or dying. There's no other choice.
You and Race have really disappointed me today.
Sad.
Koreans and Vietnamese got in line, filed the proper paper work and came here legally. I am PRO WELL REGULATED, LEGAL IMMIGRATION. I am AGAINST, UNREGULATED CHAOS. There are something like 2 billion people from 3rd world shitholes that would come here in NY minute if we opened the gates. Free markets still require regulation to function properly. Axe Churchill.
The people who need to come in on water tend to get in line because it's harder to hide. And with that, my frens at INS would tell you that there are A LOT of illegal Russians and Viets and Koreans and others who came in on land vis a vis "other means". Certainly not at the level of Mexican immigrants, but they're not an insignificant number either. Besides the point anyway.
As to housing in pre-65 or whatever, come on.
> Different labor pool, different buyer pool, different everything.
> Blue collar labor then was a much different beast than it is today. TODAY's American worker wants a lot to do low-skilled shit. College tuition, 401-k match, pension, health care, etc. The pool of American born and raised people who will do that work under less than American standards of employment is shockingly low. They'd rather collect from the gov, and they do, but I don't read anyone here trying to build a utopia by getting rid of those people. I guess the difference between us is the relative importance we place on paperwork and substance. But anyway, none of that matters because ... just try and hire a framing crew in the greater Seattle area today. Do that first and then get back to me. There is plenty of work my fren, and this is not the only busy corner of the US.
> And, pre-65, everyone didn't expect to own a house. And, pre-65, everyone didn't. And, pre-65, it was hard to find financing and hard to save enough to pull it off. And, pre-65, it didn't dominate our overall national economy near to the tune it does now. The country was a different place in that era. People expected a lot of less from life in general comparatively. And do you know why they expect a lot today? Because of the standard of living that free markets created here. So terribly hard to compare. It's hard.
Go ahead with protectionism. I've insulated myself and mine from it, so I don't care as much as it might seem. I'll just have a good laff when you pinkos get what you all wished for.
Nobody wants complete chaos. That's a politicized false dichotomy and plays right into the Sessions/Miller playbook. There have been floods of illegal Mexican immigrants in the US for a long, long time, particularly in Texas and the west coast. Somebody is just enjoying political support on their backs right now. If you can't see that, then you're not the man I thought you were.
Sad.
Your Former Rowboat Fren,
Creepy Bartholomew Cewg
So much wrong with this I don’t know where to start. Although you teeter and toddler between open borders, you clearly want the gates wide open. If there are labor shortages in certain areas, the markets will take care of that too. Guess how??? By offering a higher wage... Gasp!! Most of this gets passed down to the consumer. But who cares. That’s how capitalism works. Opening the gates so someone else will frame the house at half the price is what has eroded the base of this economy in the last 40 years. That along with off shoring Has contributed to income inequities more than any factors.
As for your housing and standard of living argument?!! Playah please. Starting in the late 40s people could save a third of their income rather easily. Everything was cheaper. And most people built their house, so it was mostly paid for by the time it was done. Way more people owned their homes than didn’t back then. But then in the 70s, something changed. They learned from the Vietnam war that there were over a billion people in Asia that would work all day and night for a tenth of the wage. So companies started building factories over there and tripled their margins. All the while mfg began to disappear here and the great wage drop began. Also another thing happened on the West Coast even earlier. Migrant workers who had originally come here for farm work and then return home after harvest, began to roll the dice and not return home. And greedy companies were more than happy to hire them illegally at 1/3 of the price of what a legal worker earned.
Then the migrants who were supposed to LEAVE!!!! found out if you started having babies here, not only do you have a citizen in the house but also a cash cow. This exploded into the here and now and over time these illegal workers seeped into every industry that didn’t require them to be customer facing. The wage effect of this effectively handed 3/4 of the wealth in this country to a handful of people. That wasn’t capitalism. It was theft. Theft by the business owner and theft by the illegal worker.
Sad.