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YellowSnow said:
We had to give up on bi-lingual day care, because the customer service sucked bigly.creepycoug said:
You should be paying moar to have your children raised bi-lingual. That will be one of the things you can give them to ensure they don't wind up on the LOSER side of the equation in America damn it!YellowSnow said:
Did you know that day care centers in Seattle that have mostly Messican employees (many with very limited Engrish) and benefits charge the exact same as ones with mostly non-Hispanic, whites? What the fucks that all about. Where's my ESL discount? You wouldn't know about such things because you were a big shot, pretend lawyer who bought a house a long time ago, but still.creepycoug said:
(a) Not "probably". Definitely, and you're probably underestimating the extent to which it has.YellowSnow said:
Of course, I know it (the Jefferson quote) is a fagazi. It still made me laff.creepycoug said:
I made up the quote about Jefferson. I thought you'd see that right away, but I forgot how far you've fallen. Sad.YellowSnow said:Furthermore, when
Yep, too late. I gave Hill $50 to try and stop it, but she's a loser and losers lose.creepycoug said:
Too late.YellowSnow said:Fucking, Christ. You said yourself not more than a few days ago that don't argue history with Yella snow.
@creepycoug , you ignorant slut, we were protectionists for the first 180 years or so of the Republic. We? closed the gates in 1924 for 41 years. And yet the country was considered a hell of a lot more laissez faire in the 1920s than it is now. I'm not saying to coddle the losers, but you can't fuck them over too badly either, lest they start revolting at the ballot box. We live in a democracy, Creep, not Soviet Russia, and the losers will go full pitchfork, populist.
HTH
Sad I had to point that out to you. I remember when you knew your shit. You and Race have been hanging around the wrong kinda people.
PS: Latin Americans were still allowed in under the '24 Act, so, yeah, you're all welcome. Imagine the shit-show if we'd be left out with other 2% countries. Criminy.
And, what happened 5 years later anyway?
See?
There is no American Utopia to which you can point. There has always been an advantageous exploitation (in the good way) of labor and capital in all of our historical upswings.
Plan for the losers and ye will be a loser. I think Jefferson said that. Not sure.
Bad, bad, history. Yes, there have always been Messicans in California, Tejas, New Messico, etc, but the flood gates didn't open until the 1960s. In 1960 there were 788,000 people residing in the US who were born in Latin America. By 2010 that number was 19,155,077. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4638184/table/T2/?report=objectonly
Quoting Jefferson in a discussion about free labor markets? If that's not fucking irony, then I don't no what is.
And is it your contention that the country has been in a free fall since 1960? And who cares that they were born in Latin America? Why does that matter ... at all? When the % of people who were born in Ireland started to move the needle here did the country fail? Were the people who were freaking out about it, then, doing so for valid reasons that were later validated?
Kreist almighty. This is my point. This isn't a major problem. It's been made one, like, in the last year or two.
I don't care that there were born in Latin America or Timbuktu. Rather, I was rebutting your claim that there was plenty of immigration from Mexico from 1924- 65. The spike didn't come until later.
Look, I would agree with you that from a strictly macro economic sense, high levels of low skilled immigration have probably been a net positive to date for the economy. I also haven't viewed it, thus far, as an existential crisis for the US. There are some other issues of higher importance on the fix it list. But that doesn't mean that (a) it has been a positive for all segments of the workforce (aka "the losers") or that (b) it (high levels of low skilled immigrations - legal or otherwise) it will continue to be net positive economically in perpetuity. I say, let's get our house in order once and for all, and then we can sort out how much outside labor we need to bring in based on sound economic reasoning.
(b) You don't view it as an existential crisis; many now do. Politics.
(c) Losers lose, particularly in our system. We can't worry about them; we never have; and I never will.
(d) Nobody said in perpetuity. Nothing is in perpetuity. Not even our mighty [young] empire, which my great grand kids might just see fall.
(e) It doesn't work that way. There is no bean counting with markets. The markets aren't waiting for you to figure out the right amount. The markets want demand to do that. Come on. We were all more or less raised during Ford/Carter/Reagan/Bush I. We all know this shit. It was force fed to us as children. We don't plan our basic economic inputs with any degree of precision. Not well anyway. The Russians and Cuba gave it a really good go and failed miserably. All kinds of shit will cost more if we protect American labor. Get pissy about it all you all want to; I didn't make up the rules of the game. They were in place when I showed up. That's how it works. It's not just about mowing your own lawn. Do a mental inventory of all the shit you consume and then assume that some jack ass with a pension and 401-K and health bennies is the labor behind ALL OF IT. And then tell me what you have.
(f) The Creep Clan liked it the way we found it. Sorry if that offends. I was told there were no safe spaces for socialist snowflakes on this bored.
I had dreams of a 6 foot 5 250 pound former army ranger and college basketball player going down to Latin American being totally fluent and crushing it in life. Sad. -
YellowSnow said:
We had to give up on bi-lingual day care, because the customer service sucked bigly.creepycoug said:
You should be paying moar to have your children raised bi-lingual. That will be one of the things you can give them to ensure they don't wind up on the LOSER side of the equation in America damn it!YellowSnow said:
Did you know that day care centers in Seattle that have mostly Messican employees (many with very limited Engrish) and benefits charge the exact same as ones with mostly non-Hispanic, whites? What the fucks that all about. Where's my ESL discount? You wouldn't know about such things because you were a big shot, pretend lawyer who bought a house a long time ago, but still.creepycoug said:
(a) Not "probably". Definitely, and you're probably underestimating the extent to which it has.YellowSnow said:
Of course, I know it (the Jefferson quote) is a fagazi. It still made me laff.creepycoug said:
I made up the quote about Jefferson. I thought you'd see that right away, but I forgot how far you've fallen. Sad.YellowSnow said:Furthermore, when
Yep, too late. I gave Hill $50 to try and stop it, but she's a loser and losers lose.creepycoug said:
Too late.YellowSnow said:Fucking, Christ. You said yourself not more than a few days ago that don't argue history with Yella snow.
@creepycoug , you ignorant slut, we were protectionists for the first 180 years or so of the Republic. We? closed the gates in 1924 for 41 years. And yet the country was considered a hell of a lot more laissez faire in the 1920s than it is now. I'm not saying to coddle the losers, but you can't fuck them over too badly either, lest they start revolting at the ballot box. We live in a democracy, Creep, not Soviet Russia, and the losers will go full pitchfork, populist.
HTH
Sad I had to point that out to you. I remember when you knew your shit. You and Race have been hanging around the wrong kinda people.
PS: Latin Americans were still allowed in under the '24 Act, so, yeah, you're all welcome. Imagine the shit-show if we'd be left out with other 2% countries. Criminy.
And, what happened 5 years later anyway?
See?
There is no American Utopia to which you can point. There has always been an advantageous exploitation (in the good way) of labor and capital in all of our historical upswings.
Plan for the losers and ye will be a loser. I think Jefferson said that. Not sure.
Bad, bad, history. Yes, there have always been Messicans in California, Tejas, New Messico, etc, but the flood gates didn't open until the 1960s. In 1960 there were 788,000 people residing in the US who were born in Latin America. By 2010 that number was 19,155,077. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4638184/table/T2/?report=objectonly
Quoting Jefferson in a discussion about free labor markets? If that's not fucking irony, then I don't no what is.
And is it your contention that the country has been in a free fall since 1960? And who cares that they were born in Latin America? Why does that matter ... at all? When the % of people who were born in Ireland started to move the needle here did the country fail? Were the people who were freaking out about it, then, doing so for valid reasons that were later validated?
Kreist almighty. This is my point. This isn't a major problem. It's been made one, like, in the last year or two.
I don't care that there were born in Latin America or Timbuktu. Rather, I was rebutting your claim that there was plenty of immigration from Mexico from 1924- 65. The spike didn't come until later.
Look, I would agree with you that from a strictly macro economic sense, high levels of low skilled immigration have probably been a net positive to date for the economy. I also haven't viewed it, thus far, as an existential crisis for the US. There are some other issues of higher importance on the fix it list. But that doesn't mean that (a) it has been a positive for all segments of the workforce (aka "the losers") or that (b) it (high levels of low skilled immigrations - legal or otherwise) it will continue to be net positive economically in perpetuity. I say, let's get our house in order once and for all, and then we can sort out how much outside labor we need to bring in based on sound economic reasoning.
(b) You don't view it as an existential crisis; many now do. Politics.
(c) Losers lose, particularly in our system. We can't worry about them; we never have; and I never will.
(d) Nobody said in perpetuity. Nothing is in perpetuity. Not even our mighty [young] empire, which my great grand kids might just see fall.
(e) It doesn't work that way. There is no bean counting with markets. The markets aren't waiting for you to figure out the right amount. The markets want demand to do that. Come on. We were all more or less raised during Ford/Carter/Reagan/Bush I. We all know this shit. It was force fed to us as children. We don't plan our basic economic inputs with any degree of precision. Not well anyway. The Russians and Cuba gave it a really good go and failed miserably. All kinds of shit will cost more if we protect American labor. Get pissy about it all you all want to; I didn't make up the rules of the game. They were in place when I showed up. That's how it works. It's not just about mowing your own lawn. Do a mental inventory of all the shit you consume and then assume that some jack ass with a pension and 401-K and health bennies is the labor behind ALL OF IT. And then tell me what you have.
(f) The Creep Clan liked it the way we found it. Sorry if that offends. I was told there were no safe spaces for socialist snowflakes on this bored.
I had dreams of a 6'6" blonde haired, blue eyed kid going down to Latin American being totally fluent and crushing it. Sad.
Raysiss. Figures.
Sad, really. Just sad.
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There are plenty of white people owned day cares that have terrible customer service too. Pour customer service doesn't discriminate.creepycoug said:YellowSnow said:
We had to give up on bi-lingual day care, because the customer service sucked bigly.creepycoug said:
You should be paying moar to have your children raised bi-lingual. That will be one of the things you can give them to ensure they don't wind up on the LOSER side of the equation in America damn it!YellowSnow said:
Did you know that day care centers in Seattle that have mostly Messican employees (many with very limited Engrish) and benefits charge the exact same as ones with mostly non-Hispanic, whites? What the fucks that all about. Where's my ESL discount? You wouldn't know about such things because you were a big shot, pretend lawyer who bought a house a long time ago, but still.creepycoug said:
(a) Not "probably". Definitely, and you're probably underestimating the extent to which it has.YellowSnow said:
Of course, I know it (the Jefferson quote) is a fagazi. It still made me laff.creepycoug said:
I made up the quote about Jefferson. I thought you'd see that right away, but I forgot how far you've fallen. Sad.YellowSnow said:Furthermore, when
Yep, too late. I gave Hill $50 to try and stop it, but she's a loser and losers lose.creepycoug said:
Too late.YellowSnow said:Fucking, Christ. You said yourself not more than a few days ago that don't argue history with Yella snow.
@creepycoug , you ignorant slut, we were protectionists for the first 180 years or so of the Republic. We? closed the gates in 1924 for 41 years. And yet the country was considered a hell of a lot more laissez faire in the 1920s than it is now. I'm not saying to coddle the losers, but you can't fuck them over too badly either, lest they start revolting at the ballot box. We live in a democracy, Creep, not Soviet Russia, and the losers will go full pitchfork, populist.
HTH
Sad I had to point that out to you. I remember when you knew your shit. You and Race have been hanging around the wrong kinda people.
PS: Latin Americans were still allowed in under the '24 Act, so, yeah, you're all welcome. Imagine the shit-show if we'd be left out with other 2% countries. Criminy.
And, what happened 5 years later anyway?
See?
There is no American Utopia to which you can point. There has always been an advantageous exploitation (in the good way) of labor and capital in all of our historical upswings.
Plan for the losers and ye will be a loser. I think Jefferson said that. Not sure.
Bad, bad, history. Yes, there have always been Messicans in California, Tejas, New Messico, etc, but the flood gates didn't open until the 1960s. In 1960 there were 788,000 people residing in the US who were born in Latin America. By 2010 that number was 19,155,077. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4638184/table/T2/?report=objectonly
Quoting Jefferson in a discussion about free labor markets? If that's not fucking irony, then I don't no what is.
And is it your contention that the country has been in a free fall since 1960? And who cares that they were born in Latin America? Why does that matter ... at all? When the % of people who were born in Ireland started to move the needle here did the country fail? Were the people who were freaking out about it, then, doing so for valid reasons that were later validated?
Kreist almighty. This is my point. This isn't a major problem. It's been made one, like, in the last year or two.
I don't care that there were born in Latin America or Timbuktu. Rather, I was rebutting your claim that there was plenty of immigration from Mexico from 1924- 65. The spike didn't come until later.
Look, I would agree with you that from a strictly macro economic sense, high levels of low skilled immigration have probably been a net positive to date for the economy. I also haven't viewed it, thus far, as an existential crisis for the US. There are some other issues of higher importance on the fix it list. But that doesn't mean that (a) it has been a positive for all segments of the workforce (aka "the losers") or that (b) it (high levels of low skilled immigrations - legal or otherwise) it will continue to be net positive economically in perpetuity. I say, let's get our house in order once and for all, and then we can sort out how much outside labor we need to bring in based on sound economic reasoning.
(b) You don't view it as an existential crisis; many now do. Politics.
(c) Losers lose, particularly in our system. We can't worry about them; we never have; and I never will.
(d) Nobody said in perpetuity. Nothing is in perpetuity. Not even our mighty [young] empire, which my great grand kids might just see fall.
(e) It doesn't work that way. There is no bean counting with markets. The markets aren't waiting for you to figure out the right amount. The markets want demand to do that. Come on. We were all more or less raised during Ford/Carter/Reagan/Bush I. We all know this shit. It was force fed to us as children. We don't plan our basic economic inputs with any degree of precision. Not well anyway. The Russians and Cuba gave it a really good go and failed miserably. All kinds of shit will cost more if we protect American labor. Get pissy about it all you all want to; I didn't make up the rules of the game. They were in place when I showed up. That's how it works. It's not just about mowing your own lawn. Do a mental inventory of all the shit you consume and then assume that some jack ass with a pension and 401-K and health bennies is the labor behind ALL OF IT. And then tell me what you have.
(f) The Creep Clan liked it the way we found it. Sorry if that offends. I was told there were no safe spaces for socialist snowflakes on this bored.
I had dreams of a 6'6" blonde haired, blue eyed kid going down to Latin American being totally fluent and crushing it. Sad.
Raysiss. Figures.
Sad, really. Just sad. -
Sure.YellowSnow said:
There are plenty of white people owned day cares that have terrible customer service too. Pour customer service doesn't discriminate.creepycoug said:YellowSnow said:
We had to give up on bi-lingual day care, because the customer service sucked bigly.creepycoug said:
You should be paying moar to have your children raised bi-lingual. That will be one of the things you can give them to ensure they don't wind up on the LOSER side of the equation in America damn it!YellowSnow said:
Did you know that day care centers in Seattle that have mostly Messican employees (many with very limited Engrish) and benefits charge the exact same as ones with mostly non-Hispanic, whites? What the fucks that all about. Where's my ESL discount? You wouldn't know about such things because you were a big shot, pretend lawyer who bought a house a long time ago, but still.creepycoug said:
(a) Not "probably". Definitely, and you're probably underestimating the extent to which it has.YellowSnow said:
Of course, I know it (the Jefferson quote) is a fagazi. It still made me laff.creepycoug said:
I made up the quote about Jefferson. I thought you'd see that right away, but I forgot how far you've fallen. Sad.YellowSnow said:Furthermore, when
Yep, too late. I gave Hill $50 to try and stop it, but she's a loser and losers lose.creepycoug said:
Too late.YellowSnow said:Fucking, Christ. You said yourself not more than a few days ago that don't argue history with Yella snow.
@creepycoug , you ignorant slut, we were protectionists for the first 180 years or so of the Republic. We? closed the gates in 1924 for 41 years. And yet the country was considered a hell of a lot more laissez faire in the 1920s than it is now. I'm not saying to coddle the losers, but you can't fuck them over too badly either, lest they start revolting at the ballot box. We live in a democracy, Creep, not Soviet Russia, and the losers will go full pitchfork, populist.
HTH
Sad I had to point that out to you. I remember when you knew your shit. You and Race have been hanging around the wrong kinda people.
PS: Latin Americans were still allowed in under the '24 Act, so, yeah, you're all welcome. Imagine the shit-show if we'd be left out with other 2% countries. Criminy.
And, what happened 5 years later anyway?
See?
There is no American Utopia to which you can point. There has always been an advantageous exploitation (in the good way) of labor and capital in all of our historical upswings.
Plan for the losers and ye will be a loser. I think Jefferson said that. Not sure.
Bad, bad, history. Yes, there have always been Messicans in California, Tejas, New Messico, etc, but the flood gates didn't open until the 1960s. In 1960 there were 788,000 people residing in the US who were born in Latin America. By 2010 that number was 19,155,077. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4638184/table/T2/?report=objectonly
Quoting Jefferson in a discussion about free labor markets? If that's not fucking irony, then I don't no what is.
And is it your contention that the country has been in a free fall since 1960? And who cares that they were born in Latin America? Why does that matter ... at all? When the % of people who were born in Ireland started to move the needle here did the country fail? Were the people who were freaking out about it, then, doing so for valid reasons that were later validated?
Kreist almighty. This is my point. This isn't a major problem. It's been made one, like, in the last year or two.
I don't care that there were born in Latin America or Timbuktu. Rather, I was rebutting your claim that there was plenty of immigration from Mexico from 1924- 65. The spike didn't come until later.
Look, I would agree with you that from a strictly macro economic sense, high levels of low skilled immigration have probably been a net positive to date for the economy. I also haven't viewed it, thus far, as an existential crisis for the US. There are some other issues of higher importance on the fix it list. But that doesn't mean that (a) it has been a positive for all segments of the workforce (aka "the losers") or that (b) it (high levels of low skilled immigrations - legal or otherwise) it will continue to be net positive economically in perpetuity. I say, let's get our house in order once and for all, and then we can sort out how much outside labor we need to bring in based on sound economic reasoning.
(b) You don't view it as an existential crisis; many now do. Politics.
(c) Losers lose, particularly in our system. We can't worry about them; we never have; and I never will.
(d) Nobody said in perpetuity. Nothing is in perpetuity. Not even our mighty [young] empire, which my great grand kids might just see fall.
(e) It doesn't work that way. There is no bean counting with markets. The markets aren't waiting for you to figure out the right amount. The markets want demand to do that. Come on. We were all more or less raised during Ford/Carter/Reagan/Bush I. We all know this shit. It was force fed to us as children. We don't plan our basic economic inputs with any degree of precision. Not well anyway. The Russians and Cuba gave it a really good go and failed miserably. All kinds of shit will cost more if we protect American labor. Get pissy about it all you all want to; I didn't make up the rules of the game. They were in place when I showed up. That's how it works. It's not just about mowing your own lawn. Do a mental inventory of all the shit you consume and then assume that some jack ass with a pension and 401-K and health bennies is the labor behind ALL OF IT. And then tell me what you have.
(f) The Creep Clan liked it the way we found it. Sorry if that offends. I was told there were no safe spaces for socialist snowflakes on this bored.
I had dreams of a 6'6" blonde haired, blue eyed kid going down to Latin American being totally fluent and crushing it. Sad.
Raysiss. Figures.
Sad, really. Just sad.
I'll bet you don't complain about the service at your local Taco stand. Then it's all ok isn't it?
But some people will never be good enuff for rowboat kids.
Sad. -
Quit pretend badgering the witness. Also, I don't go to the local taco stands much...my homemade gringo tacos are much better.creepycoug said:
Sure.YellowSnow said:
There are plenty of white people owned day cares that have terrible customer service too. Pour customer service doesn't discriminate.creepycoug said:YellowSnow said:
We had to give up on bi-lingual day care, because the customer service sucked bigly.creepycoug said:
You should be paying moar to have your children raised bi-lingual. That will be one of the things you can give them to ensure they don't wind up on the LOSER side of the equation in America damn it!YellowSnow said:
Did you know that day care centers in Seattle that have mostly Messican employees (many with very limited Engrish) and benefits charge the exact same as ones with mostly non-Hispanic, whites? What the fucks that all about. Where's my ESL discount? You wouldn't know about such things because you were a big shot, pretend lawyer who bought a house a long time ago, but still.creepycoug said:
(a) Not "probably". Definitely, and you're probably underestimating the extent to which it has.YellowSnow said:
Of course, I know it (the Jefferson quote) is a fagazi. It still made me laff.creepycoug said:
I made up the quote about Jefferson. I thought you'd see that right away, but I forgot how far you've fallen. Sad.YellowSnow said:Furthermore, when
Yep, too late. I gave Hill $50 to try and stop it, but she's a loser and losers lose.creepycoug said:
Too late.YellowSnow said:Fucking, Christ. You said yourself not more than a few days ago that don't argue history with Yella snow.
@creepycoug , you ignorant slut, we were protectionists for the first 180 years or so of the Republic. We? closed the gates in 1924 for 41 years. And yet the country was considered a hell of a lot more laissez faire in the 1920s than it is now. I'm not saying to coddle the losers, but you can't fuck them over too badly either, lest they start revolting at the ballot box. We live in a democracy, Creep, not Soviet Russia, and the losers will go full pitchfork, populist.
HTH
Sad I had to point that out to you. I remember when you knew your shit. You and Race have been hanging around the wrong kinda people.
PS: Latin Americans were still allowed in under the '24 Act, so, yeah, you're all welcome. Imagine the shit-show if we'd be left out with other 2% countries. Criminy.
And, what happened 5 years later anyway?
See?
There is no American Utopia to which you can point. There has always been an advantageous exploitation (in the good way) of labor and capital in all of our historical upswings.
Plan for the losers and ye will be a loser. I think Jefferson said that. Not sure.
Bad, bad, history. Yes, there have always been Messicans in California, Tejas, New Messico, etc, but the flood gates didn't open until the 1960s. In 1960 there were 788,000 people residing in the US who were born in Latin America. By 2010 that number was 19,155,077. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4638184/table/T2/?report=objectonly
Quoting Jefferson in a discussion about free labor markets? If that's not fucking irony, then I don't no what is.
And is it your contention that the country has been in a free fall since 1960? And who cares that they were born in Latin America? Why does that matter ... at all? When the % of people who were born in Ireland started to move the needle here did the country fail? Were the people who were freaking out about it, then, doing so for valid reasons that were later validated?
Kreist almighty. This is my point. This isn't a major problem. It's been made one, like, in the last year or two.
I don't care that there were born in Latin America or Timbuktu. Rather, I was rebutting your claim that there was plenty of immigration from Mexico from 1924- 65. The spike didn't come until later.
Look, I would agree with you that from a strictly macro economic sense, high levels of low skilled immigration have probably been a net positive to date for the economy. I also haven't viewed it, thus far, as an existential crisis for the US. There are some other issues of higher importance on the fix it list. But that doesn't mean that (a) it has been a positive for all segments of the workforce (aka "the losers") or that (b) it (high levels of low skilled immigrations - legal or otherwise) it will continue to be net positive economically in perpetuity. I say, let's get our house in order once and for all, and then we can sort out how much outside labor we need to bring in based on sound economic reasoning.
(b) You don't view it as an existential crisis; many now do. Politics.
(c) Losers lose, particularly in our system. We can't worry about them; we never have; and I never will.
(d) Nobody said in perpetuity. Nothing is in perpetuity. Not even our mighty [young] empire, which my great grand kids might just see fall.
(e) It doesn't work that way. There is no bean counting with markets. The markets aren't waiting for you to figure out the right amount. The markets want demand to do that. Come on. We were all more or less raised during Ford/Carter/Reagan/Bush I. We all know this shit. It was force fed to us as children. We don't plan our basic economic inputs with any degree of precision. Not well anyway. The Russians and Cuba gave it a really good go and failed miserably. All kinds of shit will cost more if we protect American labor. Get pissy about it all you all want to; I didn't make up the rules of the game. They were in place when I showed up. That's how it works. It's not just about mowing your own lawn. Do a mental inventory of all the shit you consume and then assume that some jack ass with a pension and 401-K and health bennies is the labor behind ALL OF IT. And then tell me what you have.
(f) The Creep Clan liked it the way we found it. Sorry if that offends. I was told there were no safe spaces for socialist snowflakes on this bored.
I had dreams of a 6'6" blonde haired, blue eyed kid going down to Latin American being totally fluent and crushing it. Sad.
Raysiss. Figures.
Sad, really. Just sad.
I'll bet you don't complain about the service at your local Taco stand. Then it's all ok isn't it?
But some people will never be good enuff for rowboat kids.
Sad. -
Why doesn't Mexico go all in on sweatshops and crush China? Fuck the kids, make my Nikes cheaper.
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Nope. Stick to lawyering.creepycoug said:
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad. -
Shut up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Nope. Stick to lawyering.creepycoug said:
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad. -
HRYKUW_Doog_Bot said:
Nope. Stick to lawyering.creepycoug said:
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad. -
Your take on economics is coogly.creepycoug said:
Shut up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Nope. Stick to lawyering.creepycoug said:
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
Free markets are good!
International labor markets aren't a free market though. Stop trying to conflate things as if they are.
Lmk when US nationals can freely work in Mexico or Canada, own land there, or even own a controlling interest of any capital. Also lmk when employers and illegal immigrants subscribe to American labor laws.
You can't cherry pick parts of markets to deregulate and claim it's making it a "free" market when vast sectors of the market remain heavily regulated.
For the record I'm completely for expanding LEGAL immigration. Dems don't want that though bc legal immigrants aren't beholden to the them. -
Lmk when you can pass a law that stops the supply of labor, goods, services or money where there is a market for it.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Your take on economics is coogly.creepycoug said:
Shut up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Nope. Stick to lawyering.creepycoug said:
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
Free markets are good!
International labor markets aren't a free market though. Stop trying to conflate things as if they are.
Lmk when US nationals can freely work in Mexico or Canada, own land there, or even own a controlling interest of any capital. Also lmk when employers and illegal immigrants subscribe to American labor laws.
You can't cherry pick parts of markets to deregulate and claim it's making it a "free" market when vast sectors of the market remain heavily regulated.
For the record I'm completely for expanding LEGAL immigration. Dems don't want that though bc legal immigrants aren't beholden to the them. -
Seems like we're now talking about two things and you are doing some conflating of your own.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Your take on economics is coogly.creepycoug said:
Shut up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Nope. Stick to lawyering.creepycoug said:
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
Free markets are good!
International labor markets aren't a free market though. Stop trying to conflate things as if they are.
Lmk when US nationals can freely work in Mexico or Canada, own land there, or even own a controlling interest of any capital. Also lmk when employers and illegal immigrants subscribe to American labor laws.
You can't cherry pick parts of markets to deregulate and claim it's making it a "free" market when vast sectors of the market remain heavily regulated.
For the record I'm completely for expanding LEGAL immigration. Dems don't want that though bc legal immigrants aren't beholden to the them.
Pick one and let's focus.
And just because our people can't go work in Mexico, or own controlling interests there, is not good reason for the markets to suffer here ... if the labor / capital equilibrium is reached here, why do I want to fuck that up just because it's not being reached there? Makes no sense? Tit for Tat? Or What?
Reagan knew all that and still wanted what was best for markets. Fix what you can and work on the rest.
Labor laws are not manly, and serve as an inefficient cost and externality to markets. You know that.
In fact, for a guy with PhD in economis from Chicago your poast was pretty full of campaign sound bites.
Is your educashun made up like mine? Or legit? I'm suspicious.
-
Not at all what I said. I'd be fine with guest worker programs. Dems will never allow it though. See above.CirrhosisDawg said:
Lmk when you can pass a law that stops the supply of labor, goods, services or money where there is a market for it.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Your take on economics is coogly.creepycoug said:
Shut up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Nope. Stick to lawyering.creepycoug said:
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
Free markets are good!
International labor markets aren't a free market though. Stop trying to conflate things as if they are.
Lmk when US nationals can freely work in Mexico or Canada, own land there, or even own a controlling interest of any capital. Also lmk when employers and illegal immigrants subscribe to American labor laws.
You can't cherry pick parts of markets to deregulate and claim it's making it a "free" market when vast sectors of the market remain heavily regulated.
For the record I'm completely for expanding LEGAL immigration. Dems don't want that though bc legal immigrants aren't beholden to the them.
And you can pass laws that make substitute goods no longer viable in a market. Which is exactly what illegal labor is, a substitute good for low wage legal labor.
Alternatively, you can also lower the legal minimum wage to make legal labor more competitive. Again, I wonder why the dems are lobbying against that forever.
More to my point though, this is not an argument based on economics. Trying to conflate it as such is ignorant at best. I'm fine with any number of solutions but the point being they should FOLLOW THE LAW AS SET FORTH rather than continuing to ignore the laws as a legal policy. Please let me know what your policy stance given that condition would be. -
The law as currently set forth? My policy preference is to mock and ridicule the utter fantasy that wasting billions on walls and enforcement will do anything. Because the laws of economics will win again and labor will be provided where there is a market (California Ag, hospitality and tourism industries).UW_Doog_Bot said:
Not at all what I said. I'd be fine with guest worker programs. Dems will never allow it though. See above.CirrhosisDawg said:
Lmk when you can pass a law that stops the supply of labor, goods, services or money where there is a market for it.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Your take on economics is coogly.creepycoug said:
Shut up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Nope. Stick to lawyering.creepycoug said:
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
Free markets are good!
International labor markets aren't a free market though. Stop trying to conflate things as if they are.
Lmk when US nationals can freely work in Mexico or Canada, own land there, or even own a controlling interest of any capital. Also lmk when employers and illegal immigrants subscribe to American labor laws.
You can't cherry pick parts of markets to deregulate and claim it's making it a "free" market when vast sectors of the market remain heavily regulated.
For the record I'm completely for expanding LEGAL immigration. Dems don't want that though bc legal immigrants aren't beholden to the them.
And you can pass laws that make substitute goods no longer viable in a market. Which is exactly what illegal labor is, a substitute good for low wage legal labor.
Alternatively, you can also lower the legal minimum wage to make legal labor more competitive. Again, I wonder why the dems are lobbying against that forever.
More to my point though, this is not an argument based on economics. Trying to conflate it as such is ignorant at best. I'm fine with any number of solutions but the point being they should FOLLOW THE LAW AS SET FORTH rather than continuing to ignore the laws as a legal policy. Please let me know what your policy stance given that condition would be.
There’s overwhelming bipartisan support for guest worker programs in California. That’s an easy win if the nativists would allow it, which they won’t. -
Fuck off on immigration laws. Change the voter registration laws. Purple finger print every voter. Voter ID required.
Dems lose interest in immigration real fast.
ISAFNRC, right?
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How cum the poor, white trash, out of work coal miners in West Virginia can't come pick fruit in Californee?CirrhosisDawg said:
The law as currently set forth? My policy preference is to mock and ridicule the utter fantasy that wasting billions on walls and enforcement will do anything. Because the laws of economics will win again and labor will be provided where there is a market (California Ag, hospitality and tourism industries).UW_Doog_Bot said:
Not at all what I said. I'd be fine with guest worker programs. Dems will never allow it though. See above.CirrhosisDawg said:
Lmk when you can pass a law that stops the supply of labor, goods, services or money where there is a market for it.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Your take on economics is coogly.creepycoug said:
Shut up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Nope. Stick to lawyering.creepycoug said:
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
Free markets are good!
International labor markets aren't a free market though. Stop trying to conflate things as if they are.
Lmk when US nationals can freely work in Mexico or Canada, own land there, or even own a controlling interest of any capital. Also lmk when employers and illegal immigrants subscribe to American labor laws.
You can't cherry pick parts of markets to deregulate and claim it's making it a "free" market when vast sectors of the market remain heavily regulated.
For the record I'm completely for expanding LEGAL immigration. Dems don't want that though bc legal immigrants aren't beholden to the them.
And you can pass laws that make substitute goods no longer viable in a market. Which is exactly what illegal labor is, a substitute good for low wage legal labor.
Alternatively, you can also lower the legal minimum wage to make legal labor more competitive. Again, I wonder why the dems are lobbying against that forever.
More to my point though, this is not an argument based on economics. Trying to conflate it as such is ignorant at best. I'm fine with any number of solutions but the point being they should FOLLOW THE LAW AS SET FORTH rather than continuing to ignore the laws as a legal policy. Please let me know what your policy stance given that condition would be.
There’s overwhelming bipartisan support for guest worker programs in California. That’s an easy win if the nativists would allow it, which they won’t.
-
Because they don't want to. That's why they're big losers.YellowSnow said:
How cum the poor, white trash, out of work coal miners in West Virginia can't come pick fruit in Californee?CirrhosisDawg said:
The law as currently set forth? My policy preference is to mock and ridicule the utter fantasy that wasting billions on walls and enforcement will do anything. Because the laws of economics will win again and labor will be provided where there is a market (California Ag, hospitality and tourism industries).UW_Doog_Bot said:
Not at all what I said. I'd be fine with guest worker programs. Dems will never allow it though. See above.CirrhosisDawg said:
Lmk when you can pass a law that stops the supply of labor, goods, services or money where there is a market for it.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Your take on economics is coogly.creepycoug said:
Shut up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Nope. Stick to lawyering.creepycoug said:
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
Free markets are good!
International labor markets aren't a free market though. Stop trying to conflate things as if they are.
Lmk when US nationals can freely work in Mexico or Canada, own land there, or even own a controlling interest of any capital. Also lmk when employers and illegal immigrants subscribe to American labor laws.
You can't cherry pick parts of markets to deregulate and claim it's making it a "free" market when vast sectors of the market remain heavily regulated.
For the record I'm completely for expanding LEGAL immigration. Dems don't want that though bc legal immigrants aren't beholden to the them.
And you can pass laws that make substitute goods no longer viable in a market. Which is exactly what illegal labor is, a substitute good for low wage legal labor.
Alternatively, you can also lower the legal minimum wage to make legal labor more competitive. Again, I wonder why the dems are lobbying against that forever.
More to my point though, this is not an argument based on economics. Trying to conflate it as such is ignorant at best. I'm fine with any number of solutions but the point being they should FOLLOW THE LAW AS SET FORTH rather than continuing to ignore the laws as a legal policy. Please let me know what your policy stance given that condition would be.
There’s overwhelming bipartisan support for guest worker programs in California. That’s an easy win if the nativists would allow it, which they won’t. -
They are more than welcome. Any okie, Arkie, or Appalachian would find work right away. There’s a shortage of unskilled labor in key industries. It would reduce the demand for illegal labor too. Why don’t they try? Funny how markets and the laws of economics work.YellowSnow said:
How cum the poor, white trash, out of work coal miners in West Virginia can't come pick fruit in Californee?CirrhosisDawg said:
The law as currently set forth? My policy preference is to mock and ridicule the utter fantasy that wasting billions on walls and enforcement will do anything. Because the laws of economics will win again and labor will be provided where there is a market (California Ag, hospitality and tourism industries).UW_Doog_Bot said:
Not at all what I said. I'd be fine with guest worker programs. Dems will never allow it though. See above.CirrhosisDawg said:
Lmk when you can pass a law that stops the supply of labor, goods, services or money where there is a market for it.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Your take on economics is coogly.creepycoug said:
Shut up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Nope. Stick to lawyering.creepycoug said:
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
Free markets are good!
International labor markets aren't a free market though. Stop trying to conflate things as if they are.
Lmk when US nationals can freely work in Mexico or Canada, own land there, or even own a controlling interest of any capital. Also lmk when employers and illegal immigrants subscribe to American labor laws.
You can't cherry pick parts of markets to deregulate and claim it's making it a "free" market when vast sectors of the market remain heavily regulated.
For the record I'm completely for expanding LEGAL immigration. Dems don't want that though bc legal immigrants aren't beholden to the them.
And you can pass laws that make substitute goods no longer viable in a market. Which is exactly what illegal labor is, a substitute good for low wage legal labor.
Alternatively, you can also lower the legal minimum wage to make legal labor more competitive. Again, I wonder why the dems are lobbying against that forever.
More to my point though, this is not an argument based on economics. Trying to conflate it as such is ignorant at best. I'm fine with any number of solutions but the point being they should FOLLOW THE LAW AS SET FORTH rather than continuing to ignore the laws as a legal policy. Please let me know what your policy stance given that condition would be.
There’s overwhelming bipartisan support for guest worker programs in California. That’s an easy win if the nativists would allow it, which they won’t. -
Yeah, but we don't really have a truly free market for labor in this country with the normal laws of supply and demand. It's full of all manner or distortions. Through the welfare state, we've basically made it possible for YUGE numbers able bodied males between age 18- 55 to say TAKE THIS JERB AND SHOVE IT. One can choose idle poverty these days and no longer starve to death. In Tom Joad's day this wasn't an option and the fruits and vegetables got picked.CirrhosisDawg said:
They are more than welcome. Any okie, Arkie, or Appalachian would find work right away. There’s a shortage of unskilled labor in key industries. It would reduce the demand for illegal labor too. Why don’t they try? Funny how markets and the laws of economics work.YellowSnow said:
How cum the poor, white trash, out of work coal miners in West Virginia can't come pick fruit in Californee?CirrhosisDawg said:
The law as currently set forth? My policy preference is to mock and ridicule the utter fantasy that wasting billions on walls and enforcement will do anything. Because the laws of economics will win again and labor will be provided where there is a market (California Ag, hospitality and tourism industries).UW_Doog_Bot said:
Not at all what I said. I'd be fine with guest worker programs. Dems will never allow it though. See above.CirrhosisDawg said:
Lmk when you can pass a law that stops the supply of labor, goods, services or money where there is a market for it.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Your take on economics is coogly.creepycoug said:
Shut up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Nope. Stick to lawyering.creepycoug said:
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
Free markets are good!
International labor markets aren't a free market though. Stop trying to conflate things as if they are.
Lmk when US nationals can freely work in Mexico or Canada, own land there, or even own a controlling interest of any capital. Also lmk when employers and illegal immigrants subscribe to American labor laws.
You can't cherry pick parts of markets to deregulate and claim it's making it a "free" market when vast sectors of the market remain heavily regulated.
For the record I'm completely for expanding LEGAL immigration. Dems don't want that though bc legal immigrants aren't beholden to the them.
And you can pass laws that make substitute goods no longer viable in a market. Which is exactly what illegal labor is, a substitute good for low wage legal labor.
Alternatively, you can also lower the legal minimum wage to make legal labor more competitive. Again, I wonder why the dems are lobbying against that forever.
More to my point though, this is not an argument based on economics. Trying to conflate it as such is ignorant at best. I'm fine with any number of solutions but the point being they should FOLLOW THE LAW AS SET FORTH rather than continuing to ignore the laws as a legal policy. Please let me know what your policy stance given that condition would be.
There’s overwhelming bipartisan support for guest worker programs in California. That’s an easy win if the nativists would allow it, which they won’t. -
True. They choose idle poverty. Instead of getting skills or moving to where there are jobs for unskilled workers, they scapegoat Mexicans, advocate for tariffs against Canada and the EU in the name of national security, and support futile border walls, among a litany of fucktardedness.YellowSnow said:
Yeah, but we don't really have a truly free market for labor in this country with the normal laws of supply and demand. It's full of all manner or distortions. Through the welfare state, we've basically made it possible for YUGE numbers able bodied males between age 18- 55 to say TAKE THIS JERB AND SHOVE IT. One can choose idle poverty these days and no longer starve to death. In Tom Joad's day this wasn't an option and the fruits and vegetables got picked.CirrhosisDawg said:
They are more than welcome. Any okie, Arkie, or Appalachian would find work right away. There’s a shortage of unskilled labor in key industries. It would reduce the demand for illegal labor too. Why don’t they try? Funny how markets and the laws of economics work.YellowSnow said:
How cum the poor, white trash, out of work coal miners in West Virginia can't come pick fruit in Californee?CirrhosisDawg said:
The law as currently set forth? My policy preference is to mock and ridicule the utter fantasy that wasting billions on walls and enforcement will do anything. Because the laws of economics will win again and labor will be provided where there is a market (California Ag, hospitality and tourism industries).UW_Doog_Bot said:
Not at all what I said. I'd be fine with guest worker programs. Dems will never allow it though. See above.CirrhosisDawg said:
Lmk when you can pass a law that stops the supply of labor, goods, services or money where there is a market for it.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Your take on economics is coogly.creepycoug said:
Shut up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Nope. Stick to lawyering.creepycoug said:
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
Free markets are good!
International labor markets aren't a free market though. Stop trying to conflate things as if they are.
Lmk when US nationals can freely work in Mexico or Canada, own land there, or even own a controlling interest of any capital. Also lmk when employers and illegal immigrants subscribe to American labor laws.
You can't cherry pick parts of markets to deregulate and claim it's making it a "free" market when vast sectors of the market remain heavily regulated.
For the record I'm completely for expanding LEGAL immigration. Dems don't want that though bc legal immigrants aren't beholden to the them.
And you can pass laws that make substitute goods no longer viable in a market. Which is exactly what illegal labor is, a substitute good for low wage legal labor.
Alternatively, you can also lower the legal minimum wage to make legal labor more competitive. Again, I wonder why the dems are lobbying against that forever.
More to my point though, this is not an argument based on economics. Trying to conflate it as such is ignorant at best. I'm fine with any number of solutions but the point being they should FOLLOW THE LAW AS SET FORTH rather than continuing to ignore the laws as a legal policy. Please let me know what your policy stance given that condition would be.
There’s overwhelming bipartisan support for guest worker programs in California. That’s an easy win if the nativists would allow it, which they won’t. -
You have a decent poont.YellowSnow said:
Yeah, but we don't really have a truly free market for labor in this country with the normal laws of supply and demand. It's full of all manner or distortions. Through the welfare state, we've basically made it possible for YUGE numbers able bodied males between age 18- 55 to say TAKE THIS JERB AND SHOVE IT. One can choose idle poverty these days and no longer starve to death. In Tom Joad's day this wasn't an option and the fruits and vegetables got picked.CirrhosisDawg said:
They are more than welcome. Any okie, Arkie, or Appalachian would find work right away. There’s a shortage of unskilled labor in key industries. It would reduce the demand for illegal labor too. Why don’t they try? Funny how markets and the laws of economics work.YellowSnow said:
How cum the poor, white trash, out of work coal miners in West Virginia can't come pick fruit in Californee?CirrhosisDawg said:
The law as currently set forth? My policy preference is to mock and ridicule the utter fantasy that wasting billions on walls and enforcement will do anything. Because the laws of economics will win again and labor will be provided where there is a market (California Ag, hospitality and tourism industries).UW_Doog_Bot said:
Not at all what I said. I'd be fine with guest worker programs. Dems will never allow it though. See above.CirrhosisDawg said:
Lmk when you can pass a law that stops the supply of labor, goods, services or money where there is a market for it.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Your take on economics is coogly.creepycoug said:
Shut up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Nope. Stick to lawyering.creepycoug said:
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
Free markets are good!
International labor markets aren't a free market though. Stop trying to conflate things as if they are.
Lmk when US nationals can freely work in Mexico or Canada, own land there, or even own a controlling interest of any capital. Also lmk when employers and illegal immigrants subscribe to American labor laws.
You can't cherry pick parts of markets to deregulate and claim it's making it a "free" market when vast sectors of the market remain heavily regulated.
For the record I'm completely for expanding LEGAL immigration. Dems don't want that though bc legal immigrants aren't beholden to the them.
And you can pass laws that make substitute goods no longer viable in a market. Which is exactly what illegal labor is, a substitute good for low wage legal labor.
Alternatively, you can also lower the legal minimum wage to make legal labor more competitive. Again, I wonder why the dems are lobbying against that forever.
More to my point though, this is not an argument based on economics. Trying to conflate it as such is ignorant at best. I'm fine with any number of solutions but the point being they should FOLLOW THE LAW AS SET FORTH rather than continuing to ignore the laws as a legal policy. Please let me know what your policy stance given that condition would be.
There’s overwhelming bipartisan support for guest worker programs in California. That’s an easy win if the nativists would allow it, which they won’t.
To which I refer you to Bill the Butcher:
You tell young Vallon I'm gonna paint Paradise Square with his blood. Two coats. I'll festoon my bedchamber with his guts. As for you, Mr. Tammany-fucking-Hall, you come down to the Points again, and you'll be dispatched by my own hand. Get back to your celebration and let me eat in peace.
As for your continued disrespeck of the Engrish, which has so many of my brothers here so concerned what with all the illegals, I'll refer you to Mr. Butcher again:
You see this knife? I'm gonna teach you to speak English with this fucking knife! -
Hablo ingles muy bien.creepycoug said:
You have a decent poont.YellowSnow said:
Yeah, but we don't really have a truly free market for labor in this country with the normal laws of supply and demand. It's full of all manner or distortions. Through the welfare state, we've basically made it possible for YUGE numbers able bodied males between age 18- 55 to say TAKE THIS JERB AND SHOVE IT. One can choose idle poverty these days and no longer starve to death. In Tom Joad's day this wasn't an option and the fruits and vegetables got picked.CirrhosisDawg said:
They are more than welcome. Any okie, Arkie, or Appalachian would find work right away. There’s a shortage of unskilled labor in key industries. It would reduce the demand for illegal labor too. Why don’t they try? Funny how markets and the laws of economics work.YellowSnow said:
How cum the poor, white trash, out of work coal miners in West Virginia can't come pick fruit in Californee?CirrhosisDawg said:
The law as currently set forth? My policy preference is to mock and ridicule the utter fantasy that wasting billions on walls and enforcement will do anything. Because the laws of economics will win again and labor will be provided where there is a market (California Ag, hospitality and tourism industries).UW_Doog_Bot said:
Not at all what I said. I'd be fine with guest worker programs. Dems will never allow it though. See above.CirrhosisDawg said:
Lmk when you can pass a law that stops the supply of labor, goods, services or money where there is a market for it.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Your take on economics is coogly.creepycoug said:
Shut up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Nope. Stick to lawyering.creepycoug said:
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
Free markets are good!
International labor markets aren't a free market though. Stop trying to conflate things as if they are.
Lmk when US nationals can freely work in Mexico or Canada, own land there, or even own a controlling interest of any capital. Also lmk when employers and illegal immigrants subscribe to American labor laws.
You can't cherry pick parts of markets to deregulate and claim it's making it a "free" market when vast sectors of the market remain heavily regulated.
For the record I'm completely for expanding LEGAL immigration. Dems don't want that though bc legal immigrants aren't beholden to the them.
And you can pass laws that make substitute goods no longer viable in a market. Which is exactly what illegal labor is, a substitute good for low wage legal labor.
Alternatively, you can also lower the legal minimum wage to make legal labor more competitive. Again, I wonder why the dems are lobbying against that forever.
More to my point though, this is not an argument based on economics. Trying to conflate it as such is ignorant at best. I'm fine with any number of solutions but the point being they should FOLLOW THE LAW AS SET FORTH rather than continuing to ignore the laws as a legal policy. Please let me know what your policy stance given that condition would be.
There’s overwhelming bipartisan support for guest worker programs in California. That’s an easy win if the nativists would allow it, which they won’t.
To which I refer you to Bill the Butcher:
You tell young Vallon I'm gonna paint Paradise Square with his blood. Two coats. I'll festoon my bedchamber with his guts. As for you, Mr. Tammany-fucking-Hall, you come down to the Points again, and you'll be dispatched by my own hand. Get back to your celebration and let me eat in peace.
As for your continued disrespeck of the Engrish, which has so many of my brothers here so concerned what with all the illegals, I'll refer you to Mr. Butcher again:
You see this knife? I'm gonna teach you to speak English with this fucking knife! -
PurpleThrobber said:
Fuck off on immigration laws. Change the voter registration laws. Purple finger print every voter. Voter ID required.
Dems lose interest in immigration real fast.
ISAFNRC, right?
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Now we are following Mexico's laws? Rather than our own Constitution. What fucked up world do you live in?Sledog said:PurpleThrobber said:Fuck off on immigration laws. Change the voter registration laws. Purple finger print every voter. Voter ID required.
Dems lose interest in immigration real fast.
ISAFNRC, right? -
US law prohibits aliens from voting in federal elections except under very specific exceptions.2001400ex said:
Now we are following Mexico's laws? Rather than our own Constitution. What fucked up world do you live in?Sledog said:PurpleThrobber said:Fuck off on immigration laws. Change the voter registration laws. Purple finger print every voter. Voter ID required.
Dems lose interest in immigration real fast.
ISAFNRC, right?
HTH.
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Yes that was fucked up that 3 to 5 million illegals voted in the last election.PurpleThrobber said:
US law prohibits aliens from voting in federal elections except under very specific exceptions.2001400ex said:
Now we are following Mexico's laws? Rather than our own Constitution. What fucked up world do you live in?Sledog said:PurpleThrobber said:Fuck off on immigration laws. Change the voter registration laws. Purple finger print every voter. Voter ID required.
Dems lose interest in immigration real fast.
ISAFNRC, right?
HTH. -
Claiming voter ID is racist is one of the Dems top 5 fucking idiotic things.
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Do you do anything besides float around and wait for opportunities to put Race's dick in your mouth?Pitchfork51 said:Claiming voter ID is racist is one of the Dems top 5 fucking idiotic things.
Do you have any views of your own that are not redundantly amplifying of Race's or OBK's thoughts? It's not manly, and it's kinda sad. Be more manly. Stand on your own ASU. Do something for Peterman's sake. -
Nocreepycoug said:
Do you do anything besides float around and wait for opportunities to put Race's dick in your mouth?Pitchfork51 said:Claiming voter ID is racist is one of the Dems top 5 fucking idiotic things.
Do you have any views of your own that are not redundantly amplifying of Race's or OBK's thoughts? It's not manly, and it's kinda sad. Be more manly. Stand on your own ASU. Do something for Peterman's sake.
