LEGAL immigration where we choose who we need to help US is fine
You are arguing for illegals which is a fucking stupid argument for the point you are trying to make
I've been in construction for 40 years. I understand all.
If illegals are so fucking great why aren't other countries clamoring for their share and why is Merkel and the rest of the Euros on thin ice for their own shit hole people?
How many illegals do we need to reach economic nirvana?
Your argument is retarded
Who said I HAD a problem WITH legal immigration? Not me.
I hope you don't think your new frens are serious about LEGAL immigration. Tell me you're not that gullible. Sessions and Miller are anti-immigration, period. I didn't need to read yesterday's NYT's piece to know that Sessions' views were indelibly marked by immigrants, legal and otherwise, taking jobs at the chicken factory away from his toothless, sister loving white trash frens. It's been written about before, and he's spoken of it numerous times. He wasn't checking visa cards when he formulated those views.
This is not about legal vs. illegal buddy boy. Don't be obtuse. Your new pals don't like immigrants, especially those who look like your wife. That's not a joke, so don't get twisted. That's serious creep right there. Yes, some of them are in fact racists, and many more who support them are as well. I know you know that.
OBK is right: this is a war. There are people who do and people who do not like people like me and my family. When people don't like you, you don't like them back. It's not manly to try and make people like you. The creep clan knows how to handle enemies. We're good at it.
I'll win in any event because my genes are better than those who are afraid of me. And they should be afraid.
Its all about legal versus illegal. Jesus Christ that's a stupid statement
As stupid as thinking I said you had a problem with legal immigration
I don't have a problem with it. Immigration should be to help America. Period
Play the race card you fucking moron. Its what losers do
If you don't think this issue has been politicized to politically marshal people who don't like certain types of people here, then unfortunately it's you who's gone full moron. The lower class and uneducated in this country in particular are being used for this just as much as you like to point out that Dems use immigrants for votes. Same game. You're just selective in what you chose to observe.
While there's nothing wrong with appropriately managing immigration, there is a lot wrong with moving it to the number one spot on the hit list and making the citizenry freak out about an issue in complete disproportion to its importance. I'd rather see him continue applying pressure on our trade partners and spend less time on this shit. An immigrant raped someone. An immigrant stole some guy's car. Jesus help you if you don't see it.
Immigration should be to help America. And it pretty much always has.
And quit having temper tantrums. It's not manly.
I'm arguing with 6 or 7 people across three platforms. I don't have time for niceties and if you argue like hondo you get the fuck off he gets
Iron Law
You have made it a race issue just like your democrat masters who want open borders like you do have told you too
It is a huge fucking issue and has nothing to do with racism.
When you pull that card you might as well log off and call it a day
Its the self titled elite who make this the issue it is by trying to get open borders. We are not going to take it. And we is a whole lot of Blacks my man. A whole lot
They see what the democrats are doing
Yes creep... Don't argue with facts. Race hates that more than anything.
No one hates you or your family Creep, not here anyway, only your fucktarded open border philosophy, hth.
No, not here.
But it's not as isolated as you probably think. Sure, everyone likes everyone when they get to know them. But a lot of people don't want to know a lot of people, or won't have the occasion in any event.
Fucking, Christ. You said yourself not more than a few days ago that don't argue history with Yella snow.
@creepycoug , you ignorant slut, we were protectionists for the first 180 years or so of the Republic. We? closed the gates in 1924 for 41 years. And yet the country was considered a hell of a lot more laissez faire in the 1920s than it is now. I'm not saying to coddle the losers, but you can't fuck them over too badly either, lest they start revolting at the ballot box. We live in a democracy, Creep, not Soviet Russia, and the losers will go full pitchfork, populist.
Too late.
HTH
Sad I had to point that out to you. I remember when you knew your shit. You and Race have been hanging around the wrong kinda people.
PS: Latin Americans were still allowed in under the '24 Act, so, yeah, you're all welcome. Imagine the shit-show if we'd be left out with other 2% countries. Criminy.
And, what happened 5 years later anyway?
See?
There is no American Utopia to which you can point. There has always been an advantageous exploitation (in the good way) of labor and capital in all of our historical upswings.
Plan for the losers and ye will be a loser. I think Jefferson said that. Not sure.
Yep, too late. I gave Hill $50 to try and stop it, but she's a loser and losers lose.
Bad, bad, history. Yes, there have always been Messicans in California, Tejas, New Messico, etc, but the flood gates didn't open until the 1960s. In 1960 there were 788,000 people residing in the US who were born in Latin America. By 2010 that number was 19,155,077. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4638184/table/T2/?report=objectonly
Quoting Jefferson in a discussion about free labor markets? If that's not fucking irony, then I don't no what is.
There is a great HBO show on the Latin Explosion in entertainment which has those same numbers. Its neither good nor bad on its face. J Lo is welcome. MS 13 not so much
America needs people that will share our common bond and be net givers to the treasury
If unskilled illegals are such a fucking boon to a country I am surprised there are any poor folks left around the world. Mexico should have a larger economy than we do
If you'd paid attention in Professor Hayne's course instead of sleeping off your hangover, you'd know why Mexico is poor even with a lot of poor.
No capital.
And we will be poor too if our capital is left to rot on the vine, because it won't be left to rot on the vine. It will be exported. You think we're shipping off jobs now. Keep it up Lenin.
Trump is bringing capital back but still
And jobs
But still
Its wrong to pursue policies that are good for America.
No one hates you or your family Creep, not here anyway, only your fucktarded open border philosophy, hth.
No, not here.
But it's not as isolated as you probably think. Sure, everyone likes everyone when they get to know them. But a lot of people don't want to know a lot of people, or won't have the occasion in any event.
So Mexico couldn't benefit from the free illegal labor that is passing through on the way to us?
If its good for us its good for everyone!
Is anyone monitoring the numbers to make sure we hit that "free market sweet spot" of illegal dirt farmers in the country?
Isn't that why we would want to secure the border and actually you know keep fucking track of who is coming here?
Why is America alone supposed to say fuck it to border laws?
Yeah, fucking ludicrous dude
Mexico and the US have very different economies and thus very different abilities to exploit economic resources. I'm not an expert on the Mexican economy, but I'll go out on a limb and say that Mexico has less interest in cheap labor than the US.
Keep track? Of course. I don't dispute that as a legitimate national interest. Stipulated. You needn't beat that horse any more. My main issue is that it's been politicized and that has had some intended or unintended social consequences. I see it all the time.
I didn't say America should say fuck it to border laws. You said yourself it was stupid for me to argue that you were arguing that I was arguing against legal immigration. You've gone full circle.
The sweet spot is when the market says so, and the market always communicates. When have we ever in our history counted at the border until a buzzer went off announcing that we'd hit a sweet spot? I'm just telling you that there is work HERE, and that "they" are doing a lot of it, and are doing it cheaper. In some instances, they're doing stuff people who grew up here just won't do. Then there's a lot of made-up shit out there that they aren't doing.
Nothing on the ground has changed that much, the country has done great things all along the way. This is just politics at this point.
Get better at securing the border? Sure. Have at it. Make it a political issue so that every fucking loser I ever knew now has renewed focus on the source of all of his problems? Well, it certainly worked well. I can't blame them on that score.
Fucking, Christ. You said yourself not more than a few days ago that don't argue history with Yella snow.
@creepycoug , you ignorant slut, we were protectionists for the first 180 years or so of the Republic. We? closed the gates in 1924 for 41 years. And yet the country was considered a hell of a lot more laissez faire in the 1920s than it is now. I'm not saying to coddle the losers, but you can't fuck them over too badly either, lest they start revolting at the ballot box. We live in a democracy, Creep, not Soviet Russia, and the losers will go full pitchfork, populist.
Too late.
HTH
Sad I had to point that out to you. I remember when you knew your shit. You and Race have been hanging around the wrong kinda people.
PS: Latin Americans were still allowed in under the '24 Act, so, yeah, you're all welcome. Imagine the shit-show if we'd be left out with other 2% countries. Criminy.
And, what happened 5 years later anyway?
See?
There is no American Utopia to which you can point. There has always been an advantageous exploitation (in the good way) of labor and capital in all of our historical upswings.
Plan for the losers and ye will be a loser. I think Jefferson said that. Not sure.
Yep, too late. I gave Hill $50 to try and stop it, but she's a loser and losers lose.
Bad, bad, history. Yes, there have always been Messicans in California, Tejas, New Messico, etc, but the flood gates didn't open until the 1960s. In 1960 there were 788,000 people residing in the US who were born in Latin America. By 2010 that number was 19,155,077. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4638184/table/T2/?report=objectonly
Quoting Jefferson in a discussion about free labor markets? If that's not fucking irony, then I don't no what is.
There is a great HBO show on the Latin Explosion in entertainment which has those same numbers. Its neither good nor bad on its face. J Lo is welcome. MS 13 not so much
America needs people that will share our common bond and be net givers to the treasury
If unskilled illegals are such a fucking boon to a country I am surprised there are any poor folks left around the world. Mexico should have a larger economy than we do
If you'd paid attention in Professor Hayne's course instead of sleeping off your hangover, you'd know why Mexico is poor even with a lot of poor.
No capital.
And we will be poor too if our capital is left to rot on the vine, because it won't be left to rot on the vine. It will be exported. You think we're shipping off jobs now. Keep it up Lenin.
Trump is bringing capital back but still
And jobs
But still
Its wrong to pursue policies that are good for America.
So Mexico couldn't benefit from the free illegal labor that is passing through on the way to us?
If its good for us its good for everyone!
Is anyone monitoring the numbers to make sure we hit that "free market sweet spot" of illegal dirt farmers in the country?
Isn't that why we would want to secure the border and actually you know keep fucking track of who is coming here?
Why is America alone supposed to say fuck it to border laws?
Yeah, fucking ludicrous dude
Keep track? Of course. I don't dispute that as a legitimate national interest. Stipulated. You needn't beat that horse any more. My main issue is that it's been politicized and that has had some intended or unintended social consequences. I see it all the time.
I didn't say America should say fuck it to border laws. You said yourself it was stupid for me to argue that you were arguing that I was arguing against legal immigration. You've gone full circle.
The sweet spot is when the market says so, and the market always communicates. When have we ever in our history counted at the border until a buzzer went off announcing that we'd hit a sweet spot? I'm just telling you that there is work HERE, and that "they" are doing a lot of it, and are doing it cheaper. In some instances, they're doing stuff people who grew up here just won't do. Then there's a lot of made-up shit out there that they aren't doing.
Nothing on the ground has changed that much, the country has done great things all along the way. This is just politics at this point.
Get better at securing the border? Sure. Have at it. Make it a political issue so that every fucking loser I ever knew now has renewed focus on the source of all of his problems? Well, it certainly worked well. I can't blame them on that score.
Still, sad.
Why are you in these threads about illegal immigration and securing the boreder making fucktarded arguments that have nothing to do with the subject you bloviating sod buster
If you want legal regulated immigration of people that are good for America we fucking agree
No one hates you or your family Creep, not here anyway, only your fucktarded open border philosophy, hth.
No, not here.
But it's not as isolated as you probably think. Sure, everyone likes everyone when they get to know them. But a lot of people don't want to know a lot of people, or won't have the occasion in any event.
So Mexico couldn't benefit from the free illegal labor that is passing through on the way to us?
If its good for us its good for everyone!
Is anyone monitoring the numbers to make sure we hit that "free market sweet spot" of illegal dirt farmers in the country?
Isn't that why we would want to secure the border and actually you know keep fucking track of who is coming here?
Why is America alone supposed to say fuck it to border laws?
Yeah, fucking ludicrous dude
Keep track? Of course. I don't dispute that as a legitimate national interest. Stipulated. You needn't beat that horse any more. My main issue is that it's been politicized and that has had some intended or unintended social consequences. I see it all the time.
I didn't say America should say fuck it to border laws. You said yourself it was stupid for me to argue that you were arguing that I was arguing against legal immigration. You've gone full circle.
The sweet spot is when the market says so, and the market always communicates. When have we ever in our history counted at the border until a buzzer went off announcing that we'd hit a sweet spot? I'm just telling you that there is work HERE, and that "they" are doing a lot of it, and are doing it cheaper. In some instances, they're doing stuff people who grew up here just won't do. Then there's a lot of made-up shit out there that they aren't doing.
Nothing on the ground has changed that much, the country has done great things all along the way. This is just politics at this point.
Get better at securing the border? Sure. Have at it. Make it a political issue so that every fucking loser I ever knew now has renewed focus on the source of all of his problems? Well, it certainly worked well. I can't blame them on that score.
Still, sad.
Why are you in these threads about illegal immigration and securing the boreder making fucktarded arguments that have nothing to do with the subject you bloviating sod buster
If you want legal regulated immigration of people that are good for America we fucking agree
Take your victim schtick and get the fuck out
It almost like you're not reading the entire poast.
I don't have a problem with improving security at our borders.
But I also don't think that it's a huge problem.
And I also know that many people think it is entirely because of the way it's been positioned in our politics.
In short: it's not a huge issue we all need to freak out about; it's not the reason all of our dipshit friends can't get it done in our system; we've made a lot of money and enjoyed a higher standard of living on the backs of legal AND illegal immigrants; the current politicizing of this issue has not done these people any favors in our country, call it victim-thinking or what you will.
PS: this immigration screening game isn't as easy as you seem to think it is. The ones who will be "good for America" aren't always easy to spot. One of mine had a quite limited education and limited prospects, and not only contributed greatly himself, but in two generations his progeny are doing very well in this system. It's not an exact science.
Fucking, Christ. You said yourself not more than a few days ago that don't argue history with Yella snow.
@creepycoug , you ignorant slut, we were protectionists for the first 180 years or so of the Republic. We? closed the gates in 1924 for 41 years. And yet the country was considered a hell of a lot more laissez faire in the 1920s than it is now. I'm not saying to coddle the losers, but you can't fuck them over too badly either, lest they start revolting at the ballot box. We live in a democracy, Creep, not Soviet Russia, and the losers will go full pitchfork, populist.
Too late.
HTH
Sad I had to point that out to you. I remember when you knew your shit. You and Race have been hanging around the wrong kinda people.
PS: Latin Americans were still allowed in under the '24 Act, so, yeah, you're all welcome. Imagine the shit-show if we'd be left out with other 2% countries. Criminy.
And, what happened 5 years later anyway?
See?
There is no American Utopia to which you can point. There has always been an advantageous exploitation (in the good way) of labor and capital in all of our historical upswings.
Plan for the losers and ye will be a loser. I think Jefferson said that. Not sure.
Yep, too late. I gave Hill $50 to try and stop it, but she's a loser and losers lose.
Bad, bad, history. Yes, there have always been Messicans in California, Tejas, New Messico, etc, but the flood gates didn't open until the 1960s. In 1960 there were 788,000 people residing in the US who were born in Latin America. By 2010 that number was 19,155,077. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4638184/table/T2/?report=objectonly
Quoting Jefferson in a discussion about free labor markets? If that's not fucking irony, then I don't no what is.
I made up the quote about Jefferson. I thought you'd see that right away, but I forgot how far you've fallen. Sad.
And is it your contention that the country has been in a free fall since 1960? And who cares that they were born in Latin America? Why does that matter ... at all? When the % of people who were born in Ireland started to move the needle here did the country fail? Were the people who were freaking out about it, then, doing so for valid reasons that were later validated?
Kreist almighty. This is my point. This isn't a major problem. It's been made one, like, in the last year or two.
Of course, I know it (the Jefferson quote) is a fagazi. It still made me laff.
I don't care that there were born in Latin America or Timbuktu. Rather, I was rebutting your claim that there was plenty of immigration from Mexico from 1924- 65. The spike didn't come until later.
Look, I would agree with you that from a strictly macro economic sense, high levels of low skilled immigration have probably been a net positive to date for the economy. I also haven't viewed it, thus far, as an existential crisis for the US. There are some other issues of higher importance on the fix it list. But that doesn't mean that (a) it has been a positive for all segments of the workforce (aka "the losers") or that (b) it (high levels of low skilled immigrations - legal or otherwise) it will continue to be net positive economically in perpetuity. I say, let's get our house in order once and for all, and then we can sort out how much outside labor we need to bring in based on sound economic reasoning.
All of them. There’s a huge opportunity in California. The construction trades are a fucking scam and need a boost of competition and cost control. Guest workers to start, and with a path to citizenship.
Yaeh that's why Kali is $300.00 a square with illegals doing the work and $125.00 in Idaho with white guys doing the work.
So Mexico couldn't benefit from the free illegal labor that is passing through on the way to us?
If its good for us its good for everyone!
Is anyone monitoring the numbers to make sure we hit that "free market sweet spot" of illegal dirt farmers in the country?
Isn't that why we would want to secure the border and actually you know keep fucking track of who is coming here?
Why is America alone supposed to say fuck it to border laws?
Yeah, fucking ludicrous dude
Keep track? Of course. I don't dispute that as a legitimate national interest. Stipulated. You needn't beat that horse any more. My main issue is that it's been politicized and that has had some intended or unintended social consequences. I see it all the time.
I didn't say America should say fuck it to border laws. You said yourself it was stupid for me to argue that you were arguing that I was arguing against legal immigration. You've gone full circle.
The sweet spot is when the market says so, and the market always communicates. When have we ever in our history counted at the border until a buzzer went off announcing that we'd hit a sweet spot? I'm just telling you that there is work HERE, and that "they" are doing a lot of it, and are doing it cheaper. In some instances, they're doing stuff people who grew up here just won't do. Then there's a lot of made-up shit out there that they aren't doing.
Nothing on the ground has changed that much, the country has done great things all along the way. This is just politics at this point.
Get better at securing the border? Sure. Have at it. Make it a political issue so that every fucking loser I ever knew now has renewed focus on the source of all of his problems? Well, it certainly worked well. I can't blame them on that score.
Still, sad.
Why are you in these threads about illegal immigration and securing the boreder making fucktarded arguments that have nothing to do with the subject you bloviating sod buster
If you want legal regulated immigration of people that are good for America we fucking agree
Take your victim schtick and get the fuck out
It almost like you're not reading the entire poast.
I don't have a problem with improving security at our borders.
But I also don't think that it's a huge problem.
And I also know that many people think it is entirely because of the way it's been positioned in our politics.
In short: it's not a huge issue we all need to freak out about; it's not the reason all of our dipshit friends can't get it done in our system; we've made a lot of money and enjoyed a higher standard of living on the backs of legal AND illegal immigrants; the current politicizing of this issue has not done these people any favors in our country, call it victim-thinking or what you will.
PS: this immigration screening game isn't as easy as you seem to think it is. The ones who will be "good for America" aren't always easy to spot. One of mine had a quite limited education and limited prospects, and not only contributed greatly himself, but in two generations his progeny are doing very well in this system. It's not an exact science.
I hate all politicization of the immigration debate be it nativism on the right as well as the Dems cynical attempt to demography their way to the White House. Securing the border shouldn't be considered nativist, or something we shouldn't do because the problem might be overstated.
I like hot blodded Latins. My first ever girlfriend was half Cuban and her dad smoked bad ass cigars and made great rum based cocktails.
Fucking, Christ. You said yourself not more than a few days ago that don't argue history with Yella snow.
@creepycoug , you ignorant slut, we were protectionists for the first 180 years or so of the Republic. We? closed the gates in 1924 for 41 years. And yet the country was considered a hell of a lot more laissez faire in the 1920s than it is now. I'm not saying to coddle the losers, but you can't fuck them over too badly either, lest they start revolting at the ballot box. We live in a democracy, Creep, not Soviet Russia, and the losers will go full pitchfork, populist.
Too late.
HTH
Sad I had to point that out to you. I remember when you knew your shit. You and Race have been hanging around the wrong kinda people.
PS: Latin Americans were still allowed in under the '24 Act, so, yeah, you're all welcome. Imagine the shit-show if we'd be left out with other 2% countries. Criminy.
And, what happened 5 years later anyway?
See?
There is no American Utopia to which you can point. There has always been an advantageous exploitation (in the good way) of labor and capital in all of our historical upswings.
Plan for the losers and ye will be a loser. I think Jefferson said that. Not sure.
Yep, too late. I gave Hill $50 to try and stop it, but she's a loser and losers lose.
Bad, bad, history. Yes, there have always been Messicans in California, Tejas, New Messico, etc, but the flood gates didn't open until the 1960s. In 1960 there were 788,000 people residing in the US who were born in Latin America. By 2010 that number was 19,155,077. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4638184/table/T2/?report=objectonly
Quoting Jefferson in a discussion about free labor markets? If that's not fucking irony, then I don't no what is.
I made up the quote about Jefferson. I thought you'd see that right away, but I forgot how far you've fallen. Sad.
And is it your contention that the country has been in a free fall since 1960? And who cares that they were born in Latin America? Why does that matter ... at all? When the % of people who were born in Ireland started to move the needle here did the country fail? Were the people who were freaking out about it, then, doing so for valid reasons that were later validated?
Kreist almighty. This is my point. This isn't a major problem. It's been made one, like, in the last year or two.
Of course, I know it (the Jefferson quote) is a fagazi. It still made me laff.
I don't care that there were born in Latin America or Timbuktu. Rather, I was rebutting your claim that there was plenty of immigration from Mexico from 1924- 65. The spike didn't come until later.
Look, I would agree with you that from a strictly macro economic sense, high levels of low skilled immigration have probably been a net positive to date for the economy. I also haven't viewed it, thus far, as an existential crisis for the US. There are some other issues of higher importance on the fix it list. But that doesn't mean that (a) it has been a positive for all segments of the workforce (aka "the losers") or that (b) it (high levels of low skilled immigrations - legal or otherwise) it will continue to be net positive economically in perpetuity. I say, let's get our house in order once and for all, and then we can sort out how much outside labor we need to bring in based on sound economic reasoning.
(a) Not "probably". Definitely, and you're probably underestimating the extent to which it has.
(b) You don't view it as an existential crisis; many now do. Politics.
(c) Losers lose, particularly in our system. We can't worry about them; we never have; and I never will.
(d) Nobody said in perpetuity. Nothing is in perpetuity. Not even our mighty [young] empire, which my great grand kids might just see fall.
(e) It doesn't work that way. There is no bean counting with markets. The markets aren't waiting for you to figure out the right amount. The markets want demand to do that. Come on. We were all more or less raised during Ford/Carter/Reagan/Bush I. We all know this shit. It was force fed to us as children. We don't plan our basic economic inputs with any degree of precision. Not well anyway. The Russians and Cuba gave it a really good go and failed miserably. All kinds of shit will cost more if we protect American labor. Get pissy about it all you all want to; I didn't make up the rules of the game. They were in place when I showed up. That's how it works. It's not just about mowing your own lawn. Do a mental inventory of all the shit you consume and then assume that some jack ass with a pension and 401-K and health bennies is the labor behind ALL OF IT. And then tell me what you have.
(f) The Creep Clan liked it the way we found it. Sorry if that offends. I was told there were no safe spaces for socialist snowflakes on this bored.
All of them. There’s a huge opportunity in California. The construction trades are a fucking scam and need a boost of competition and cost control. Guest workers to start, and with a path to citizenship.
Yaeh that's why Kali is $300.00 a square with illegals doing the work and $125.00 in Idaho with white guys doing the work.
Fucking, Christ. You said yourself not more than a few days ago that don't argue history with Yella snow.
@creepycoug , you ignorant slut, we were protectionists for the first 180 years or so of the Republic. We? closed the gates in 1924 for 41 years. And yet the country was considered a hell of a lot more laissez faire in the 1920s than it is now. I'm not saying to coddle the losers, but you can't fuck them over too badly either, lest they start revolting at the ballot box. We live in a democracy, Creep, not Soviet Russia, and the losers will go full pitchfork, populist.
Too late.
HTH
Sad I had to point that out to you. I remember when you knew your shit. You and Race have been hanging around the wrong kinda people.
PS: Latin Americans were still allowed in under the '24 Act, so, yeah, you're all welcome. Imagine the shit-show if we'd be left out with other 2% countries. Criminy.
And, what happened 5 years later anyway?
See?
There is no American Utopia to which you can point. There has always been an advantageous exploitation (in the good way) of labor and capital in all of our historical upswings.
Plan for the losers and ye will be a loser. I think Jefferson said that. Not sure.
Yep, too late. I gave Hill $50 to try and stop it, but she's a loser and losers lose.
Bad, bad, history. Yes, there have always been Messicans in California, Tejas, New Messico, etc, but the flood gates didn't open until the 1960s. In 1960 there were 788,000 people residing in the US who were born in Latin America. By 2010 that number was 19,155,077. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4638184/table/T2/?report=objectonly
Quoting Jefferson in a discussion about free labor markets? If that's not fucking irony, then I don't no what is.
I made up the quote about Jefferson. I thought you'd see that right away, but I forgot how far you've fallen. Sad.
And is it your contention that the country has been in a free fall since 1960? And who cares that they were born in Latin America? Why does that matter ... at all? When the % of people who were born in Ireland started to move the needle here did the country fail? Were the people who were freaking out about it, then, doing so for valid reasons that were later validated?
Kreist almighty. This is my point. This isn't a major problem. It's been made one, like, in the last year or two.
Of course, I know it (the Jefferson quote) is a fagazi. It still made me laff.
I don't care that there were born in Latin America or Timbuktu. Rather, I was rebutting your claim that there was plenty of immigration from Mexico from 1924- 65. The spike didn't come until later.
Look, I would agree with you that from a strictly macro economic sense, high levels of low skilled immigration have probably been a net positive to date for the economy. I also haven't viewed it, thus far, as an existential crisis for the US. There are some other issues of higher importance on the fix it list. But that doesn't mean that (a) it has been a positive for all segments of the workforce (aka "the losers") or that (b) it (high levels of low skilled immigrations - legal or otherwise) it will continue to be net positive economically in perpetuity. I say, let's get our house in order once and for all, and then we can sort out how much outside labor we need to bring in based on sound economic reasoning.
(a) Not "probably". Definitely, and you're probably underestimating the extent to which it has.
(b) You don't view it as an existential crisis; many now do. Politics.
(c) Losers lose, particularly in our system. We can't worry about them; we never have; and I never will.
(d) Nobody said in perpetuity. Nothing is in perpetuity. Not even our mighty [young] empire, which my great grand kids might just see fall.
(e) It doesn't work that way. There is no bean counting with markets. The markets aren't waiting for you to figure out the right amount. The markets want demand to do that. Come on. We were all more or less raised during Ford/Carter/Reagan/Bush I. We all know this shit. It was force fed to us as children. We don't plan our basic economic inputs with any degree of precision. Not well anyway. The Russians and Cuba gave it a really good go and failed miserably. All kinds of shit will cost more if we protect American labor. Get pissy about it all you all want to; I didn't make up the rules of the game. They were in place when I showed up. That's how it works. It's not just about mowing your own lawn. Do a mental inventory of all the shit you consume and then assume that some jack ass with a pension and 401-K and health bennies is the labor behind ALL OF IT. And then tell me what you have.
(f) The Creep Clan liked it the way we found it. Sorry if that offends. I was told there were no safe spaces for socialist snowflakes on this bored.
Did you know that day care centers in Seattle that have mostly Messican employees (many with very limited Engrish) and benefits charge the exact same as ones with mostly non-Hispanic, whites? What the fucks that all about. Where's my ESL discount? You wouldn't know about such things because you were a big shot, pretend lawyer who bought a house a long time ago, but still.
Fucking, Christ. You said yourself not more than a few days ago that don't argue history with Yella snow.
@creepycoug , you ignorant slut, we were protectionists for the first 180 years or so of the Republic. We? closed the gates in 1924 for 41 years. And yet the country was considered a hell of a lot more laissez faire in the 1920s than it is now. I'm not saying to coddle the losers, but you can't fuck them over too badly either, lest they start revolting at the ballot box. We live in a democracy, Creep, not Soviet Russia, and the losers will go full pitchfork, populist.
Too late.
HTH
Sad I had to point that out to you. I remember when you knew your shit. You and Race have been hanging around the wrong kinda people.
PS: Latin Americans were still allowed in under the '24 Act, so, yeah, you're all welcome. Imagine the shit-show if we'd be left out with other 2% countries. Criminy.
And, what happened 5 years later anyway?
See?
There is no American Utopia to which you can point. There has always been an advantageous exploitation (in the good way) of labor and capital in all of our historical upswings.
Plan for the losers and ye will be a loser. I think Jefferson said that. Not sure.
Yep, too late. I gave Hill $50 to try and stop it, but she's a loser and losers lose.
Bad, bad, history. Yes, there have always been Messicans in California, Tejas, New Messico, etc, but the flood gates didn't open until the 1960s. In 1960 there were 788,000 people residing in the US who were born in Latin America. By 2010 that number was 19,155,077. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4638184/table/T2/?report=objectonly
Quoting Jefferson in a discussion about free labor markets? If that's not fucking irony, then I don't no what is.
I made up the quote about Jefferson. I thought you'd see that right away, but I forgot how far you've fallen. Sad.
And is it your contention that the country has been in a free fall since 1960? And who cares that they were born in Latin America? Why does that matter ... at all? When the % of people who were born in Ireland started to move the needle here did the country fail? Were the people who were freaking out about it, then, doing so for valid reasons that were later validated?
Kreist almighty. This is my point. This isn't a major problem. It's been made one, like, in the last year or two.
Of course, I know it (the Jefferson quote) is a fagazi. It still made me laff.
I don't care that there were born in Latin America or Timbuktu. Rather, I was rebutting your claim that there was plenty of immigration from Mexico from 1924- 65. The spike didn't come until later.
Look, I would agree with you that from a strictly macro economic sense, high levels of low skilled immigration have probably been a net positive to date for the economy. I also haven't viewed it, thus far, as an existential crisis for the US. There are some other issues of higher importance on the fix it list. But that doesn't mean that (a) it has been a positive for all segments of the workforce (aka "the losers") or that (b) it (high levels of low skilled immigrations - legal or otherwise) it will continue to be net positive economically in perpetuity. I say, let's get our house in order once and for all, and then we can sort out how much outside labor we need to bring in based on sound economic reasoning.
(a) Not "probably". Definitely, and you're probably underestimating the extent to which it has.
(b) You don't view it as an existential crisis; many now do. Politics.
(c) Losers lose, particularly in our system. We can't worry about them; we never have; and I never will.
(d) Nobody said in perpetuity. Nothing is in perpetuity. Not even our mighty [young] empire, which my great grand kids might just see fall.
(e) It doesn't work that way. There is no bean counting with markets. The markets aren't waiting for you to figure out the right amount. The markets want demand to do that. Come on. We were all more or less raised during Ford/Carter/Reagan/Bush I. We all know this shit. It was force fed to us as children. We don't plan our basic economic inputs with any degree of precision. Not well anyway. The Russians and Cuba gave it a really good go and failed miserably. All kinds of shit will cost more if we protect American labor. Get pissy about it all you all want to; I didn't make up the rules of the game. They were in place when I showed up. That's how it works. It's not just about mowing your own lawn. Do a mental inventory of all the shit you consume and then assume that some jack ass with a pension and 401-K and health bennies is the labor behind ALL OF IT. And then tell me what you have.
(f) The Creep Clan liked it the way we found it. Sorry if that offends. I was told there were no safe spaces for socialist snowflakes on this bored.
Did you know that day care centers in Seattle that have mostly Messican employees (many with very limited Engrish) and benefits charge the exact same as ones with mostly non-Hispanic, whites? What the fucks that all about. Where's my ESL discount? You wouldn't know about such things because you were a big shot, pretend lawyer who bought a house a long time ago, but still.
You should be paying moar to have your children raised bi-lingual. That will be one of the things you can give them to ensure they don't wind up on the LOSER side of the equation in America damn it!
Fucking, Christ. You said yourself not more than a few days ago that don't argue history with Yella snow.
@creepycoug , you ignorant slut, we were protectionists for the first 180 years or so of the Republic. We? closed the gates in 1924 for 41 years. And yet the country was considered a hell of a lot more laissez faire in the 1920s than it is now. I'm not saying to coddle the losers, but you can't fuck them over too badly either, lest they start revolting at the ballot box. We live in a democracy, Creep, not Soviet Russia, and the losers will go full pitchfork, populist.
I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
You just arrived and you're already in Hondo territory. Lurk awhile.
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But it's not as isolated as you probably think. Sure, everyone likes everyone when they get to know them. But a lot of people don't want to know a lot of people, or won't have the occasion in any event.
If its good for us its good for everyone!
Is anyone monitoring the numbers to make sure we hit that "free market sweet spot" of illegal dirt farmers in the country?
Isn't that why we would want to secure the border and actually you know keep fucking track of who is coming here?
Why is America alone supposed to say fuck it to border laws?
Yeah, fucking ludicrous dude
And jobs
But still
Its wrong to pursue policies that are good for America.
you sound like a victim
Keep track? Of course. I don't dispute that as a legitimate national interest. Stipulated. You needn't beat that horse any more. My main issue is that it's been politicized and that has had some intended or unintended social consequences. I see it all the time.
I didn't say America should say fuck it to border laws. You said yourself it was stupid for me to argue that you were arguing that I was arguing against legal immigration. You've gone full circle.
The sweet spot is when the market says so, and the market always communicates. When have we ever in our history counted at the border until a buzzer went off announcing that we'd hit a sweet spot? I'm just telling you that there is work HERE, and that "they" are doing a lot of it, and are doing it cheaper. In some instances, they're doing stuff people who grew up here just won't do. Then there's a lot of made-up shit out there that they aren't doing.
Nothing on the ground has changed that much, the country has done great things all along the way. This is just politics at this point.
Get better at securing the border? Sure. Have at it. Make it a political issue so that every fucking loser I ever knew now has renewed focus on the source of all of his problems? Well, it certainly worked well. I can't blame them on that score.
Still, sad.
2. Great.
3. But what?
4. No, it's not.
If you want legal regulated immigration of people that are good for America we fucking agree
Take your victim schtick and get the fuck out
I don't have a problem with improving security at our borders.
But I also don't think that it's a huge problem.
And I also know that many people think it is entirely because of the way it's been positioned in our politics.
In short: it's not a huge issue we all need to freak out about; it's not the reason all of our dipshit friends can't get it done in our system; we've made a lot of money and enjoyed a higher standard of living on the backs of legal AND illegal immigrants; the current politicizing of this issue has not done these people any favors in our country, call it victim-thinking or what you will.
PS: this immigration screening game isn't as easy as you seem to think it is. The ones who will be "good for America" aren't always easy to spot. One of mine had a quite limited education and limited prospects, and not only contributed greatly himself, but in two generations his progeny are doing very well in this system. It's not an exact science.
I don't care that there were born in Latin America or Timbuktu. Rather, I was rebutting your claim that there was plenty of immigration from Mexico from 1924- 65. The spike didn't come until later.
Look, I would agree with you that from a strictly macro economic sense, high levels of low skilled immigration have probably been a net positive to date for the economy. I also haven't viewed it, thus far, as an existential crisis for the US. There are some other issues of higher importance on the fix it list. But that doesn't mean that (a) it has been a positive for all segments of the workforce (aka "the losers") or that (b) it (high levels of low skilled immigrations - legal or otherwise) it will continue to be net positive economically in perpetuity. I say, let's get our house in order once and for all, and then we can sort out how much outside labor we need to bring in based on sound economic reasoning.
I like hot blodded Latins. My first ever girlfriend was half Cuban and her dad smoked bad ass cigars and made great rum based cocktails.
(b) You don't view it as an existential crisis; many now do. Politics.
(c) Losers lose, particularly in our system. We can't worry about them; we never have; and I never will.
(d) Nobody said in perpetuity. Nothing is in perpetuity. Not even our mighty [young] empire, which my great grand kids might just see fall.
(e) It doesn't work that way. There is no bean counting with markets. The markets aren't waiting for you to figure out the right amount. The markets want demand to do that. Come on. We were all more or less raised during Ford/Carter/Reagan/Bush I. We all know this shit. It was force fed to us as children. We don't plan our basic economic inputs with any degree of precision. Not well anyway. The Russians and Cuba gave it a really good go and failed miserably. All kinds of shit will cost more if we protect American labor. Get pissy about it all you all want to; I didn't make up the rules of the game. They were in place when I showed up. That's how it works. It's not just about mowing your own lawn. Do a mental inventory of all the shit you consume and then assume that some jack ass with a pension and 401-K and health bennies is the labor behind ALL OF IT. And then tell me what you have.
(f) The Creep Clan liked it the way we found it. Sorry if that offends. I was told there were no safe spaces for socialist snowflakes on this bored.