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*real* russians run chop shop operations.creepycoug said:
The Russians own the tile and stone wholesale and installation biz in Seattle, and biz has been good to them.salemcoog said:
Around here, it’s the Russians that own drywall. Not joking one single bit. Just North of Salem, there is a community called Woodburn. It’s general area is ground zero in the mass MODERN immigration to Oregon. Not only Hispanics but thousands of Russians as well that were deemed religiously persecuted. The Mid Willamette Valley is as good of a test bin as there is for mass immigration in a relatively short term, as there is in this Country in the last 30 years. We’ve benefited from this, but there are some hiccups all the same. Mostly our schools have suffered the most.YellowSnow said:
HRYK. Americans don't want to pick strawberries. But they are down with roofing and framing. Not sure about dry wall - that's nasty shit.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
But that fucking music though.
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2001400ex said:
Immigration is actually necessary. Or economy is built where we have to have growth. Look at Japan's lost 3 decades for clues what could happen to America. You can't have growth without increase in population. And birth rates are declining.YellowSnow said:
So I suppose no cheap housing was built in the US between 1924 and 1965 when the gates we're shut for 40 years? I'm not a nativist - far from it. But the honkeys that were born here need jerbs too and that has to be balanced against too much immigration driving down the wages they can earn (in certain professions). Some immigration is very good thing and benefits the economy, but unchecked and unregulated immigration likely has too high of a social cost. It's a lot more complex than just what the cost of new roof is with a group of Messicans vs honkeys. Look at CA, for instance, any cost savings from cheap labor, is off set to some degree by higher spending on social services- i.e., edumacation, healthcare, etc.creepycoug said:
Sure they're "down with" that you funky monkey.YellowSnow said:
HRYK. Americans don't want to pick strawberries. But they are down with roofing and framing. Not sure about dry wall - that's nasty shit.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
But they want too much for it. Honkeys be wanting health insurance, paid vaca, hour-long lunch breaks, pension, 401-k match, career advancement opportunity, etc. etc.
After whitey and OBK are done with our economy, a 1200 sq ft rambler in Marysville will cost $2 million because you're all going to fuck up the supply-side of the curve.
You guys really need to fuck off with this protectionist shit. It's for losers. Believe me.
Sad
The Yella platform is simple, path to citizenship for most that are here already, and then close the gates for a while and let the melting pot do it's thing.
That being said, we need to refine or immigration policy to help those who want to come in to America and produce. Kick those out who want to not so much produce.
Duh that's totally reasonable.
And if you are a politician and suggest it you are RACIST and would never get elected as a democrat.
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Koreans and Vietnamese got in line, filed the proper paper work and came here legally. I am PRO WELL REGULATED, LEGAL IMMIGRATION. I am AGAINST, UNREGULATED CHAOS. There are something like 2 billion people from 3rd world shitholes that would come here in NY minute if we opened the gates. Free markets still require regulation to function properly. Axe Churchill.creepycoug said:
Now I know what Reagan and McCarthy were up against. Jim Jim Jimminy I'm dealing with capitalist-hating heathen.oregonblitzkrieg said:
You're coming at this again from your globalist angle. The world isn't an open borders dystopia. It's carved up into nation states, with each state looking out for its own self interest and the interests of its own citizens above all others. At least that's how it should be. The only nation expected NOT to look out for its own interests is the US. Fuck that shit. That's why we elected Trump, to crush the globalist agenda. We aren't going to throw open the gates to any and all fuckers from all over the world to flood the country and take jerbs from Americans. There are enough people out of work as is. You want a revolution? That's how you'll get one.creepycoug said:
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
You are either for free markets, or you are for rigged markets. There is no in-between.
It's not globalism. It's letting our people win biggly.
If there are people who will come here and compete and make it better, then that's good. If our organizations and their owners do well because of that, then that's good too.
I'm not worried, at all, about people who can't compete just because of the accident of history that they are here.
Again, if a third or fourth generation American family STILL can't figure out how to play ball, despite the monumental advantage you've had by being here, then maybe they need to leave the gayme altogether. If a second generation Korean family has figured it out, from convenience store to Ivy League educated children, then they deserve to win and they deserve to stay. If their paper work is not in order, then get it in order and keep them and encourage them to breed.
THAT is what American is. You're describing provincial France. Protectionist policies are a recipe to doom an empire. Like markets: you're either growing or dying. There's no other choice.
You and Race have really disappointed me today.
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I think most people agree with that. The problem is that people disagree with who is productive.Pitchfork51 said:2001400ex said:
Immigration is actually necessary. Or economy is built where we have to have growth. Look at Japan's lost 3 decades for clues what could happen to America. You can't have growth without increase in population. And birth rates are declining.YellowSnow said:
So I suppose no cheap housing was built in the US between 1924 and 1965 when the gates we're shut for 40 years? I'm not a nativist - far from it. But the honkeys that were born here need jerbs too and that has to be balanced against too much immigration driving down the wages they can earn (in certain professions). Some immigration is very good thing and benefits the economy, but unchecked and unregulated immigration likely has too high of a social cost. It's a lot more complex than just what the cost of new roof is with a group of Messicans vs honkeys. Look at CA, for instance, any cost savings from cheap labor, is off set to some degree by higher spending on social services- i.e., edumacation, healthcare, etc.creepycoug said:
Sure they're "down with" that you funky monkey.YellowSnow said:
HRYK. Americans don't want to pick strawberries. But they are down with roofing and framing. Not sure about dry wall - that's nasty shit.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
But they want too much for it. Honkeys be wanting health insurance, paid vaca, hour-long lunch breaks, pension, 401-k match, career advancement opportunity, etc. etc.
After whitey and OBK are done with our economy, a 1200 sq ft rambler in Marysville will cost $2 million because you're all going to fuck up the supply-side of the curve.
You guys really need to fuck off with this protectionist shit. It's for losers. Believe me.
Sad
The Yella platform is simple, path to citizenship for most that are here already, and then close the gates for a while and let the melting pot do it's thing.
That being said, we need to refine or immigration policy to help those who want to come in to America and produce. Kick those out who want to not so much produce.
Duh that's totally reasonable.
And if you are a politician and suggest it you are RACIST and would never get elected as a democrat. -
We have plenty of low skilled laborers. Don't need more.2001400ex said:
I think most people agree with that. The problem is that people disagree with who is productive.Pitchfork51 said:2001400ex said:
Immigration is actually necessary. Or economy is built where we have to have growth. Look at Japan's lost 3 decades for clues what could happen to America. You can't have growth without increase in population. And birth rates are declining.YellowSnow said:
So I suppose no cheap housing was built in the US between 1924 and 1965 when the gates we're shut for 40 years? I'm not a nativist - far from it. But the honkeys that were born here need jerbs too and that has to be balanced against too much immigration driving down the wages they can earn (in certain professions). Some immigration is very good thing and benefits the economy, but unchecked and unregulated immigration likely has too high of a social cost. It's a lot more complex than just what the cost of new roof is with a group of Messicans vs honkeys. Look at CA, for instance, any cost savings from cheap labor, is off set to some degree by higher spending on social services- i.e., edumacation, healthcare, etc.creepycoug said:
Sure they're "down with" that you funky monkey.YellowSnow said:
HRYK. Americans don't want to pick strawberries. But they are down with roofing and framing. Not sure about dry wall - that's nasty shit.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
But they want too much for it. Honkeys be wanting health insurance, paid vaca, hour-long lunch breaks, pension, 401-k match, career advancement opportunity, etc. etc.
After whitey and OBK are done with our economy, a 1200 sq ft rambler in Marysville will cost $2 million because you're all going to fuck up the supply-side of the curve.
You guys really need to fuck off with this protectionist shit. It's for losers. Believe me.
Sad
The Yella platform is simple, path to citizenship for most that are here already, and then close the gates for a while and let the melting pot do it's thing.
That being said, we need to refine or immigration policy to help those who want to come in to America and produce. Kick those out who want to not so much produce.
Duh that's totally reasonable.
And if you are a politician and suggest it you are RACIST and would never get elected as a democrat. -
Not for you to decide; it's for the market to decide.Pitchfork51 said:
We have plenty of low skilled laborers. Don't need more.2001400ex said:
I think most people agree with that. The problem is that people disagree with who is productive.Pitchfork51 said:2001400ex said:
Immigration is actually necessary. Or economy is built where we have to have growth. Look at Japan's lost 3 decades for clues what could happen to America. You can't have growth without increase in population. And birth rates are declining.YellowSnow said:
So I suppose no cheap housing was built in the US between 1924 and 1965 when the gates we're shut for 40 years? I'm not a nativist - far from it. But the honkeys that were born here need jerbs too and that has to be balanced against too much immigration driving down the wages they can earn (in certain professions). Some immigration is very good thing and benefits the economy, but unchecked and unregulated immigration likely has too high of a social cost. It's a lot more complex than just what the cost of new roof is with a group of Messicans vs honkeys. Look at CA, for instance, any cost savings from cheap labor, is off set to some degree by higher spending on social services- i.e., edumacation, healthcare, etc.creepycoug said:
Sure they're "down with" that you funky monkey.YellowSnow said:
HRYK. Americans don't want to pick strawberries. But they are down with roofing and framing. Not sure about dry wall - that's nasty shit.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
But they want too much for it. Honkeys be wanting health insurance, paid vaca, hour-long lunch breaks, pension, 401-k match, career advancement opportunity, etc. etc.
After whitey and OBK are done with our economy, a 1200 sq ft rambler in Marysville will cost $2 million because you're all going to fuck up the supply-side of the curve.
You guys really need to fuck off with this protectionist shit. It's for losers. Believe me.
Sad
The Yella platform is simple, path to citizenship for most that are here already, and then close the gates for a while and let the melting pot do it's thing.
That being said, we need to refine or immigration policy to help those who want to come in to America and produce. Kick those out who want to not so much produce.
Duh that's totally reasonable.
And if you are a politician and suggest it you are RACIST and would never get elected as a democrat.
Criminy. There is no way you could know that.
Yeah, there are plenty of people who will do the shit work for X$ and bennies. That's not the point.
There was piece on the other day where mid-west farmers were complaining about labor shortages. Where are all those Americans that need work? Why are those guys complaining? -
The market isn't deciding when the borders are open to millions of dirt farmers willing to work for dirtcreepycoug said:
Not for you to decide; it's for the market to decide.Pitchfork51 said:
We have plenty of low skilled laborers. Don't need more.2001400ex said:
I think most people agree with that. The problem is that people disagree with who is productive.Pitchfork51 said:2001400ex said:
Immigration is actually necessary. Or economy is built where we have to have growth. Look at Japan's lost 3 decades for clues what could happen to America. You can't have growth without increase in population. And birth rates are declining.YellowSnow said:
So I suppose no cheap housing was built in the US between 1924 and 1965 when the gates we're shut for 40 years? I'm not a nativist - far from it. But the honkeys that were born here need jerbs too and that has to be balanced against too much immigration driving down the wages they can earn (in certain professions). Some immigration is very good thing and benefits the economy, but unchecked and unregulated immigration likely has too high of a social cost. It's a lot more complex than just what the cost of new roof is with a group of Messicans vs honkeys. Look at CA, for instance, any cost savings from cheap labor, is off set to some degree by higher spending on social services- i.e., edumacation, healthcare, etc.creepycoug said:
Sure they're "down with" that you funky monkey.YellowSnow said:
HRYK. Americans don't want to pick strawberries. But they are down with roofing and framing. Not sure about dry wall - that's nasty shit.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
But they want too much for it. Honkeys be wanting health insurance, paid vaca, hour-long lunch breaks, pension, 401-k match, career advancement opportunity, etc. etc.
After whitey and OBK are done with our economy, a 1200 sq ft rambler in Marysville will cost $2 million because you're all going to fuck up the supply-side of the curve.
You guys really need to fuck off with this protectionist shit. It's for losers. Believe me.
Sad
The Yella platform is simple, path to citizenship for most that are here already, and then close the gates for a while and let the melting pot do it's thing.
That being said, we need to refine or immigration policy to help those who want to come in to America and produce. Kick those out who want to not so much produce.
Duh that's totally reasonable.
And if you are a politician and suggest it you are RACIST and would never get elected as a democrat.
Criminy. There is no way you could know that.
Yeah, there are plenty of people who will do the shit work for X$ and bennies. That's not the point.
There was piece on the other day where mid-west farmers were complaining about labor shortages. Where are all those Americans that need work? Why are those guys complaining?
Every nation including this one has the right to control their borders
And for those retards arguing with me - here is your proof of the desire for open borders -
The people who need to come in on water tend to get in line because it's harder to hide. And with that, my frens at INS would tell you that there are A LOT of illegal Russians and Viets and Koreans and others who came in on land vis a vis "other means". Certainly not at the level of Mexican immigrants, but they're not an insignificant number either. Besides the point anyway.YellowSnow said:
Koreans and Vietnamese got in line, filed the proper paper work and came here legally. I am PRO WELL REGULATED, LEGAL IMMIGRATION. I am AGAINST, UNREGULATED CHAOS. There are something like 2 billion people from 3rd world shitholes that would come here in NY minute if we opened the gates. Free markets still require regulation to function properly. Axe Churchill.creepycoug said:
Now I know what Reagan and McCarthy were up against. Jim Jim Jimminy I'm dealing with capitalist-hating heathen.oregonblitzkrieg said:
You're coming at this again from your globalist angle. The world isn't an open borders dystopia. It's carved up into nation states, with each state looking out for its own self interest and the interests of its own citizens above all others. At least that's how it should be. The only nation expected NOT to look out for its own interests is the US. Fuck that shit. That's why we elected Trump, to crush the globalist agenda. We aren't going to throw open the gates to any and all fuckers from all over the world to flood the country and take jerbs from Americans. There are enough people out of work as is. You want a revolution? That's how you'll get one.creepycoug said:
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
You are either for free markets, or you are for rigged markets. There is no in-between.
It's not globalism. It's letting our people win biggly.
If there are people who will come here and compete and make it better, then that's good. If our organizations and their owners do well because of that, then that's good too.
I'm not worried, at all, about people who can't compete just because of the accident of history that they are here.
Again, if a third or fourth generation American family STILL can't figure out how to play ball, despite the monumental advantage you've had by being here, then maybe they need to leave the gayme altogether. If a second generation Korean family has figured it out, from convenience store to Ivy League educated children, then they deserve to win and they deserve to stay. If their paper work is not in order, then get it in order and keep them and encourage them to breed.
THAT is what American is. You're describing provincial France. Protectionist policies are a recipe to doom an empire. Like markets: you're either growing or dying. There's no other choice.
You and Race have really disappointed me today.
Sad.
As to housing in pre-65 or whatever, come on.
> Different labor pool, different buyer pool, different everything.
> Blue collar labor then was a much different beast than it is today. TODAY's American worker wants a lot to do low-skilled shit. College tuition, 401-k match, pension, health care, etc. The pool of American born and raised people who will do that work under less than American standards of employment is shockingly low. They'd rather collect from the gov, and they do, but I don't read anyone here trying to build a utopia by getting rid of those people. I guess the difference between us is the relative importance we place on paperwork and substance. But anyway, none of that matters because ... just try and hire a framing crew in the greater Seattle area today. Do that first and then get back to me. There is plenty of work my fren, and this is not the only busy corner of the US.
> And, pre-65, everyone didn't expect to own a house. And, pre-65, everyone didn't. And, pre-65, it was hard to find financing and hard to save enough to pull it off. And, pre-65, it didn't dominate our overall national economy near to the tune it does now. The country was a different place in that era. People expected a lot of less from life in general comparatively. And do you know why they expect a lot today? Because of the standard of living that free markets created here. So terribly hard to compare. It's hard.
Go ahead with protectionism. I've insulated myself and mine from it, so I don't care as much as it might seem. I'll just have a good laff when you pinkos get what you all wished for.
Nobody wants complete chaos. That's a politicized false dichotomy and plays right into the Sessions/Miller playbook. There have been floods of illegal Mexican immigrants in the US for a long, long time, particularly in Texas and the west coast. Somebody is just enjoying political support on their backs right now. If you can't see that, then you're not the man I thought you were.
Sad.
Your Former Rowboat Fren,
Creepy Bartholomew Cewg -
I knew you when you were at your best.RaceBannon said:
The market isn't deciding when the borders are open to millions of dirt farmers willing to work for dirtcreepycoug said:
Not for you to decide; it's for the market to decide.Pitchfork51 said:
We have plenty of low skilled laborers. Don't need more.2001400ex said:
I think most people agree with that. The problem is that people disagree with who is productive.Pitchfork51 said:2001400ex said:
Immigration is actually necessary. Or economy is built where we have to have growth. Look at Japan's lost 3 decades for clues what could happen to America. You can't have growth without increase in population. And birth rates are declining.YellowSnow said:
So I suppose no cheap housing was built in the US between 1924 and 1965 when the gates we're shut for 40 years? I'm not a nativist - far from it. But the honkeys that were born here need jerbs too and that has to be balanced against too much immigration driving down the wages they can earn (in certain professions). Some immigration is very good thing and benefits the economy, but unchecked and unregulated immigration likely has too high of a social cost. It's a lot more complex than just what the cost of new roof is with a group of Messicans vs honkeys. Look at CA, for instance, any cost savings from cheap labor, is off set to some degree by higher spending on social services- i.e., edumacation, healthcare, etc.creepycoug said:
Sure they're "down with" that you funky monkey.YellowSnow said:
HRYK. Americans don't want to pick strawberries. But they are down with roofing and framing. Not sure about dry wall - that's nasty shit.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
But they want too much for it. Honkeys be wanting health insurance, paid vaca, hour-long lunch breaks, pension, 401-k match, career advancement opportunity, etc. etc.
After whitey and OBK are done with our economy, a 1200 sq ft rambler in Marysville will cost $2 million because you're all going to fuck up the supply-side of the curve.
You guys really need to fuck off with this protectionist shit. It's for losers. Believe me.
Sad
The Yella platform is simple, path to citizenship for most that are here already, and then close the gates for a while and let the melting pot do it's thing.
That being said, we need to refine or immigration policy to help those who want to come in to America and produce. Kick those out who want to not so much produce.
Duh that's totally reasonable.
And if you are a politician and suggest it you are RACIST and would never get elected as a democrat.
Criminy. There is no way you could know that.
Yeah, there are plenty of people who will do the shit work for X$ and bennies. That's not the point.
There was piece on the other day where mid-west farmers were complaining about labor shortages. Where are all those Americans that need work? Why are those guys complaining?
Every nation including this one has the right to control their borders
And for those retards arguing with me - here is your proof of the desire for open borders
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There's such tard in this poast I'm going to have to go through and surgically address it piece by piece. I don't hate capitalism. I support it in the United States. The USA is the country I give a fuck about. The rest of the world can take care of itself, that's not our jerb. We can have our capitalist system in our own microcosm and still trade and make deals with governments that don't have the same system. Sorry to prick the bubble you seem to be living in, but the rest of the world isn't necessarily capitalist like we are. They don't have to play by the same rules, so ignore them.creepycoug said:
Now I know what Reagan and McCarthy were up against. Jim Jim Jimminy I'm dealing with capitalist-hating heathen.oregonblitzkrieg said:
You're coming at this again from your globalist angle. The world isn't an open borders dystopia. It's carved up into nation states, with each state looking out for its own self interest and the interests of its own citizens above all others. At least that's how it should be. The only nation expected NOT to look out for its own interests is the US. Fuck that shit. That's why we elected Trump, to crush the globalist agenda. We aren't going to throw open the gates to any and all fuckers from all over the world to flood the country and take jerbs from Americans. There are enough people out of work as is. You want a revolution? That's how you'll get one.creepycoug said:
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
You are either for free markets, or you are for rigged markets. There is no in-between.
It's not globalism. It's letting our people win biggly.
If there are people who will come here and compete and make it better, then that's good. If our organizations and their owners do well because of that, then that's good too.
I'm not worried, at all, about people who can't compete just because of the accident of history that they are here.
Again, if a third or fourth generation American family STILL can't figure out how to play ball, despite the monumental advantage you've had by being here, then maybe they need to leave the gayme altogether. If a second generation Korean family has figured it out, from convenience store to Ivy League educated children, then they deserve to win and they deserve to stay. If their paper work is not in order, then get it in order and keep them and encourage them to breed.
THAT is what American is. You're describing provincial France. Protectionist policies are a recipe to doom an empire. Like markets: you're either growing or dying. There's no other choice.
You and Race have really disappointed me today.
Sad.
The US is overpopulated and doesn't need more immigration, it needs less. Right now it needs ZERO new immigrants. Except for the very best of the best, those with special skills in the sciences, etc. IOW, only 5 star recruits need apply.
And you should be worried about people who can't compete. People who can't compete should 'leave the game?' Pray tell kewg, what exactly do you think is going to happen when millions and millions of people who can't compete leave the game? I think you already know the answer. Usually a revolution, often violent. You can't just displace millions of natives with millions of fucking foreigners and expect your global capitalist utopia to materialize with no fallout. No, that fallout might destroy the the system of capitalism itself, because those millions of people whose jobs were taken by foreigners would have no stake in the capitalist system anymore.
That piece of shit Merkel has attempted to do what you would love to see done here in Germany. Even worse, she opened the gates to religious fascists. Not giving a single fuck about how this would effect her own people and the culture of Germany. The people of Europe reject the Eurabia experiment. The democrats and establishment republicans are allied with these morons and are peddling the same agenda. The people of the United States reject that agenda. They reject Europe's stupidity. They reject and will DESTROY any movement that seeks to do the same here.
