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Sad, really. Just sad.RaceBannon said:
We could bring in trained construction workers or we could acknowledge that I am right and the dirt farmers working for nothing have fucked the market for construction laborcreepycoug said:
I've explained myself beautifully. Nobody has ever explained themselves better, believe me.RaceBannon said:
I know, you just can't refute my brilliancecreepycoug said:
I knew you when you were at your best.RaceBannon said:
The market isn't deciding when the borders are open to millions of dirt farmers willing to work for dirtcreepycoug said:
Not for you to decide; it's for the market to decide.Pitchfork51 said:
We have plenty of low skilled laborers. Don't need more.2001400ex said:
I think most people agree with that. The problem is that people disagree with who is productive.Pitchfork51 said:2001400ex said:
Immigration is actually necessary. Or economy is built where we have to have growth. Look at Japan's lost 3 decades for clues what could happen to America. You can't have growth without increase in population. And birth rates are declining.YellowSnow said:
So I suppose no cheap housing was built in the US between 1924 and 1965 when the gates we're shut for 40 years? I'm not a nativist - far from it. But the honkeys that were born here need jerbs too and that has to be balanced against too much immigration driving down the wages they can earn (in certain professions). Some immigration is very good thing and benefits the economy, but unchecked and unregulated immigration likely has too high of a social cost. It's a lot more complex than just what the cost of new roof is with a group of Messicans vs honkeys. Look at CA, for instance, any cost savings from cheap labor, is off set to some degree by higher spending on social services- i.e., edumacation, healthcare, etc.creepycoug said:
Sure they're "down with" that you funky monkey.YellowSnow said:
HRYK. Americans don't want to pick strawberries. But they are down with roofing and framing. Not sure about dry wall - that's nasty shit.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
But they want too much for it. Honkeys be wanting health insurance, paid vaca, hour-long lunch breaks, pension, 401-k match, career advancement opportunity, etc. etc.
After whitey and OBK are done with our economy, a 1200 sq ft rambler in Marysville will cost $2 million because you're all going to fuck up the supply-side of the curve.
You guys really need to fuck off with this protectionist shit. It's for losers. Believe me.
Sad
The Yella platform is simple, path to citizenship for most that are here already, and then close the gates for a while and let the melting pot do it's thing.
That being said, we need to refine or immigration policy to help those who want to come in to America and produce. Kick those out who want to not so much produce.
Duh that's totally reasonable.
And if you are a politician and suggest it you are RACIST and would never get elected as a democrat.
Criminy. There is no way you could know that.
Yeah, there are plenty of people who will do the shit work for X$ and bennies. That's not the point.
There was piece on the other day where mid-west farmers were complaining about labor shortages. Where are all those Americans that need work? Why are those guys complaining?
Every nation including this one has the right to control their borders
And for those retards arguing with me - here is your proof of the desire for open borders
Sad.
And you want open borders
#IWasRight
Your translation services are not necessary.
I'm a capitalist. You're in bed with pinko OBK. Sad.
Try hiring a framing crew in the PNW right now. Tell me why you can't after you've tried.
The trail is littered with the bodies of people who thought they were smarter than markets.
Blue collar Americans don't want to do the work that many immigrants will do gladly. Fortunately, there's a lot of work to go around, though the politicians who want to get me and my frens all worked up would have us believe otherwise.aremobile and will go to where the jobs are, like Seattle
You are advocating market efficient labortaking advantage of the down trodden to pad the bottom line of corrupt bidnessmenDemocrats want votes, GOP wants cheap illegal labor that can't say shitPolitics is Politics. Same as ever. Water still whet.
I want what is best formy fellow hiumanslazy O-town high school frens who can't get it together and compete or do something!I'm just better thanI used to be as good as you -
Your argument really is sad
And bullshit
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Yes, there is. If you would put down whatever you're smoking with your new hippy frens and remember the economis courses you took at UW, you would remember.RaceBannon said:Your argument really is sad
And bullshit
There is nothing market efficient about dirt farmers in the first world
Free markets. It's what made America. Nothing else.
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Illegal immigration has nothing to do with free markets but would you please tell squirt that you want open borders? He seems to be struggling todaycreepycoug said:
Yes, there is. If you would put down whatever you're smoking with your new hippy frens and remember the economis courses you took at UW, you would remember.RaceBannon said:Your argument really is sad
And bullshit
There is nothing market efficient about dirt farmers in the first world
Free markets. It's what made America. Nothing else.
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That's for history to figure out.YellowSnow said:
It's really sad, Creep. You were my best Rowboat Fren.creepycoug said:
The people who need to come in on water tend to get in line because it's harder to hide. And with that, my frens at INS would tell you that there are A LOT of illegal Russians and Viets and Koreans and others who came in on land vis a vis "other means". Certainly not at the level of Mexican immigrants, but they're not an insignificant number either. Besides the point anyway.YellowSnow said:
Koreans and Vietnamese got in line, filed the proper paper work and came here legally. I am PRO WELL REGULATED, LEGAL IMMIGRATION. I am AGAINST, UNREGULATED CHAOS. There are something like 2 billion people from 3rd world shitholes that would come here in NY minute if we opened the gates. Free markets still require regulation to function properly. Axe Churchill.creepycoug said:
Now I know what Reagan and McCarthy were up against. Jim Jim Jimminy I'm dealing with capitalist-hating heathen.oregonblitzkrieg said:
You're coming at this again from your globalist angle. The world isn't an open borders dystopia. It's carved up into nation states, with each state looking out for its own self interest and the interests of its own citizens above all others. At least that's how it should be. The only nation expected NOT to look out for its own interests is the US. Fuck that shit. That's why we elected Trump, to crush the globalist agenda. We aren't going to throw open the gates to any and all fuckers from all over the world to flood the country and take jerbs from Americans. There are enough people out of work as is. You want a revolution? That's how you'll get one.creepycoug said:
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.RaceBannon said:
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economycreepycoug said:
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?RaceBannon said:
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this timeYellowSnow said:
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.RaceBannon said:
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real familySquirt said:I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
You are either for free markets, or you are for rigged markets. There is no in-between.
It's not globalism. It's letting our people win biggly.
If there are people who will come here and compete and make it better, then that's good. If our organizations and their owners do well because of that, then that's good too.
I'm not worried, at all, about people who can't compete just because of the accident of history that they are here.
Again, if a third or fourth generation American family STILL can't figure out how to play ball, despite the monumental advantage you've had by being here, then maybe they need to leave the gayme altogether. If a second generation Korean family has figured it out, from convenience store to Ivy League educated children, then they deserve to win and they deserve to stay. If their paper work is not in order, then get it in order and keep them and encourage them to breed.
THAT is what American is. You're describing provincial France. Protectionist policies are a recipe to doom an empire. Like markets: you're either growing or dying. There's no other choice.
You and Race have really disappointed me today.
Sad.
As to housing in pre-65 or whatever, come on.
> Different labor pool, different buyer pool, different everything.
> Blue collar labor then was a much different beast than it is today. TODAY's American worker wants a lot to do low-skilled shit. College tuition, 401-k match, pension, health care, etc. The pool of American born and raised people who will do that work under less than American standards of employment is shockingly low. They'd rather collect from the gov, and they do, but I don't read anyone here trying to build a utopia by getting rid of those people. I guess the difference between us is the relative importance we place on paperwork and substance. But anyway, none of that matters because ... just try and hire a framing crew in the greater Seattle area today. Do that first and then get back to me. There is plenty of work my fren, and this is not the only busy corner of the US.
> And, pre-65, everyone didn't expect to own a house. And, pre-65, everyone didn't. And, pre-65, it was hard to find financing and hard to save enough to pull it off. And, pre-65, it didn't dominate our overall national economy near to the tune it does now. The country was a different place in that era. People expected a lot of less from life in general comparatively. And do you know why they expect a lot today? Because of the standard of living that free markets created here. So terribly hard to compare. It's hard.
Go ahead with protectionism. I've insulated myself and mine from it, so I don't care as much as it might seem. I'll just have a good laff when you pinkos get what you all wished for.
Nobody wants complete chaos. That's a politicized false dichotomy and plays right into the Sessions/Miller playbook. There have been floods of illegal Mexican immigrants in the US for a long, long time, particularly in Texas and the west coast. Somebody is just enjoying political support on their backs right now. If you can't see that, then you're not the man I thought you were.
Sad.
Your Former Rowboat Fren,
Creepy Bartholomew Cewg
The expurts have done a lot of research which suggests a lot of employers in hospitality, food processing, construction, etc, prefer to hire immigrant labor, not only because they are cheaper, but they are perceived to be better workers- i.e., more reliable, complain less, worker harder, etc, etc. I understand and appreciate the economic benefit and the point you are making to this affect. All that saidJake Browning Sucksthe flaw I've always found in your argument is what are you going to do with the large mass of honkeys (and blicks) that have dropped out of the labor force entirely? There are YUGE social costs associated with dealing with this. I know you don't read books anymore, but if you did Charle's Murray's "Coming Apart" is a must read for any true, conservative. We've made it way too easy for people to choose idle poverty over working poverty in this cuntry, and we need to find a way to get more of those people to take a shitty jerb.
You don't plan an economy around what to do with the losers. That's called planning. Race's buddies in Russia tried it and failed.
Tell me you're better than this. Please.
Sad to see how far you've fallen rowboat. -
Salem screwed up the quoting part in his poast. I just poasted a graff to refute his claim.RaceBannon said:STOP QUOTING
Sad that he can't use the quote function.
Sad that you blame me.
Just a sad state of affairs on HCH today.
Formerly honorable men who were not afraid to compete now want governmental planning of our economy.
Just sad.
The Race I knew knew better. -
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real family
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
I NEED to hear FROM you on this @RaceBannon .
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
Sad.
You're coming at this again from your globalist angle. The world isn't an open borders dystopia. It's carved up into nation states, with each state looking out for its own self interest and the interests of its own citizens above all others. At least that's how it should be. The only nation expected NOT to look out for its own interests is the US. Fuck that shit. That's why we elected Trump, to crush the globalist agenda. We aren't going to throw open the gates to any and all fuckers from all over the world to flood the country and take jerbs from Americans. There are enough people out of work as is. You want a revolution? That's how you'll get one.
Now I know what Reagan and McCarthy were up against. Jim Jim Jimminy I'm dealing with capitalist-hating heathen.
You are either for free markets, or you are for rigged markets. There is no in-between.
It's not globalism. It's letting our people win biggly.
If there are people who will come here and compete and make it better, then that's good. If our organizations and their owners do well because of that, then that's good too.
I'm not worried, at all, about people who can't compete just because of the accident of history that they are here.
Again, if a third or fourth generation American family STILL can't figure out how to play ball, despite the monumental advantage you've had by being here, then maybe they need to leave the gayme altogether. If a second generation Korean family has figured it out, from convenience store to Ivy League educated children, then they deserve to win and they deserve to stay. If their paper work is not in order, then get it in order and keep them and encourage them to breed.
THAT is what American is. You're describing provincial France. Protectionist policies are a recipe to doom an empire. Like markets: you're either growing or dying. There's no other choice.
You and Race have really disappointed me today.
Sad.
Koreans and Vietnamese got in line, filed the proper paper work and came here legally. I am PRO WELL REGULATED, LEGAL IMMIGRATION. I am AGAINST, UNREGULATED CHAOS. There are something like 2 billion people from 3rd world shitholes that would come here in NY minute if we opened the gates. Free markets still require regulation to function properly. Axe Churchill.
The people who need to come in on water tend to get in line because it's harder to hide. And with that, my frens at INS would tell you that there are A LOT of illegal Russians and Viets and Koreans and others who came in on land vis a vis "other means". Certainly not at the level of Mexican immigrants, but they're not an insignificant number either. Besides the point anyway.
As to housing in pre-65 or whatever, come on.
> Different labor pool, different buyer pool, different everything.
> Blue collar labor then was a much different beast than it is today. TODAY's American worker wants a lot to do low-skilled shit. College tuition, 401-k match, pension, health care, etc. The pool of American born and raised people who will do that work under less than American standards of employment is shockingly low. They'd rather collect from the gov, and they do, but I don't read anyone here trying to build a utopia by getting rid of those people. I guess the difference between us is the relative importance we place on paperwork and substance. But anyway, none of that matters because ... just try and hire a framing crew in the greater Seattle area today. Do that first and then get back to me. There is plenty of work my fren, and this is not the only busy corner of the US.
> And, pre-65, everyone didn't expect to own a house. And, pre-65, everyone didn't. And, pre-65, it was hard to find financing and hard to save enough to pull it off. And, pre-65, it didn't dominate our overall national economy near to the tune it does now. The country was a different place in that era. People expected a lot of less from life in general comparatively. And do you know why they expect a lot today? Because of the standard of living that free markets created here. So terribly hard to compare. It's hard.
Go ahead with protectionism. I've insulated myself and mine from it, so I don't care as much as it might seem. I'll just have a good laff when you pinkos get what you all wished for.
Nobody wants complete chaos. That's a politicized false dichotomy and plays right into the Sessions/Miller playbook. There have been floods of illegal Mexican immigrants in the US for a long, long time, particularly in Texas and the west coast. Somebody is just enjoying political support on their backs right now. If you can't see that, then you're not the man I thought you were.
Sad.
Your Former Rowboat Fren,
Creepy Bartholomew Cewg
It's really sad, Creep. You were my best Rowboat Fren.
The expurts have done a lot of research which suggests a lot of employers in hospitality, food processing, construction, etc, prefer to hire immigrant labor, not only because they are cheaper, but they are perceived to be better workers- i.e., more reliable, complain less, worker harder, etc, etc. I understand and appreciate the economic benefit and the point you are making to this affect. All that saidJake Browning Sucksthe flaw I've always found in your argument is what are you going to do with the large mass of honkeys (and blicks) that have dropped out of the labor force entirely? There are YUGE social costs associated with dealing with this. I know you don't read books anymore, but if you did Charle's Murray's "Coming Apart" is a must read for any true, conservative. We've made it way too easy for people to choose idle poverty over working poverty in this cuntry, and we need to find a way to get more of those people to take a shitty jerb.
That's for history to figure out.
You don't plan an economy around what to do with the losers. That's called planning. Race's buddies in Russia tried it and failed.
Tell me you're better than this. Please.
Sad to see how far you've fallen rowboat.
You want to import losers to help the economy
Way to argue against yourself
I win -
STOP QUOTING
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I CAN'T!RaceBannon said:STOP QUOTING
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I KNOWcreepycoug said:
I CAN'T!RaceBannon said:STOP QUOTING
