Creep is right that it's an issue blown way out of proportion to it's importance.
Because everyone in their right mind pretty much agreed that they had to stop illegal immigration and reform the laws to make it easier to come here. Before it got turned into this massive racist thing and the Democrats started advocating for ignoring the law.
It's a loser issue.
Same as being against abortion. Same as trying to take guns.
Democrats live to decorate children from their parents. At least ICE detentions don't involve crushing babies skulls and dissmembering them. 19 million dead African American children. Fight on dems!
Democrats live to decorate children from their parents. At least ICE detentions don't involve crushing babies skulls and dissmembering them. 19 million dead African American children. Fight on dems!
Democrats live to decorate children from their parents. At least ICE detentions don't involve crushing babies skulls and dissmembering them. 19 million dead African American children. Fight on dems!
Abortion. The other loser issue. If republicans backed down on the abortion thing. Or left it up to the states or whatever. They'd never lose.
Democrats live to decorate children from their parents. At least ICE detentions don't involve crushing babies skulls and dissmembering them. 19 million dead African American children. Fight on dems!
So Mexico couldn't benefit from the free illegal labor that is passing through on the way to us?
If its good for us its good for everyone!
Is anyone monitoring the numbers to make sure we hit that "free market sweet spot" of illegal dirt farmers in the country?
Isn't that why we would want to secure the border and actually you know keep fucking track of who is coming here?
Why is America alone supposed to say fuck it to border laws?
Yeah, fucking ludicrous dude
Mexico and the US have very different economies and thus very different abilities to exploit economic resources. I'm not an expert on the Mexican economy, but I'll go out on a limb and say that Mexico has less interest in cheap labor than the US.
Keep track? Of course. I don't dispute that as a legitimate national interest. Stipulated. You needn't beat that horse any more. My main issue is that it's been politicized and that has had some intended or unintended social consequences. I see it all the time.
I didn't say America should say fuck it to border laws. You said yourself it was stupid for me to argue that you were arguing that I was arguing against legal immigration. You've gone full circle.
The sweet spot is when the market says so, and the market always communicates. When have we ever in our history counted at the border until a buzzer went off announcing that we'd hit a sweet spot? I'm just telling you that there is work HERE, and that "they" are doing a lot of it, and are doing it cheaper. In some instances, they're doing stuff people who grew up here just won't do. Then there's a lot of made-up shit out there that they aren't doing.
Nothing on the ground has changed that much, the country has done great things all along the way. This is just politics at this point.
Get better at securing the border? Sure. Have at it. Make it a political issue so that every fucking loser I ever knew now has renewed focus on the source of all of his problems? Well, it certainly worked well. I can't blame them on that score.
Still, sad.
You can’t even get Geography right in relation to Mexico, so it’s understandable how you’d come up short on what drives their Economy.
And way to close all @CirrhosisDawg with the ol “if you’re scared by illegals” then you are just a loser in life.
So Mexico couldn't benefit from the free illegal labor that is passing through on the way to us?
If its good for us its good for everyone!
Is anyone monitoring the numbers to make sure we hit that "free market sweet spot" of illegal dirt farmers in the country?
Isn't that why we would want to secure the border and actually you know keep fucking track of who is coming here?
Why is America alone supposed to say fuck it to border laws?
Yeah, fucking ludicrous dude
Mexico and the US have very different economies and thus very different abilities to exploit economic resources. I'm not an expert on the Mexican economy, but I'll go out on a limb and say that Mexico has less interest in cheap labor than the US.
Keep track? Of course. I don't dispute that as a legitimate national interest. Stipulated. You needn't beat that horse any more. My main issue is that it's been politicized and that has had some intended or unintended social consequences. I see it all the time.
I didn't say America should say fuck it to border laws. You said yourself it was stupid for me to argue that you were arguing that I was arguing against legal immigration. You've gone full circle.
The sweet spot is when the market says so, and the market always communicates. When have we ever in our history counted at the border until a buzzer went off announcing that we'd hit a sweet spot? I'm just telling you that there is work HERE, and that "they" are doing a lot of it, and are doing it cheaper. In some instances, they're doing stuff people who grew up here just won't do. Then there's a lot of made-up shit out there that they aren't doing.
Nothing on the ground has changed that much, the country has done great things all along the way. This is just politics at this point.
Get better at securing the border? Sure. Have at it. Make it a political issue so that every fucking loser I ever knew now has renewed focus on the source of all of his problems? Well, it certainly worked well. I can't blame them on that score.
Still, sad.
You can’t even get Geography right in relation to Mexico, so it’s understandable how you’d come up short on what drives their Economy.
And way to close all @CirrhosisDawg with the ol “if you’re scared by illegals” then you are just a loser in life.
So Mexico couldn't benefit from the free illegal labor that is passing through on the way to us?
If its good for us its good for everyone!
Is anyone monitoring the numbers to make sure we hit that "free market sweet spot" of illegal dirt farmers in the country?
Isn't that why we would want to secure the border and actually you know keep fucking track of who is coming here?
Why is America alone supposed to say fuck it to border laws?
Yeah, fucking ludicrous dude
Mexico and the US have very different economies and thus very different abilities to exploit economic resources. I'm not an expert on the Mexican economy, but I'll go out on a limb and say that Mexico has less interest in cheap labor than the US.
Keep track? Of course. I don't dispute that as a legitimate national interest. Stipulated. You needn't beat that horse any more. My main issue is that it's been politicized and that has had some intended or unintended social consequences. I see it all the time.
I didn't say America should say fuck it to border laws. You said yourself it was stupid for me to argue that you were arguing that I was arguing against legal immigration. You've gone full circle.
The sweet spot is when the market says so, and the market always communicates. When have we ever in our history counted at the border until a buzzer went off announcing that we'd hit a sweet spot? I'm just telling you that there is work HERE, and that "they" are doing a lot of it, and are doing it cheaper. In some instances, they're doing stuff people who grew up here just won't do. Then there's a lot of made-up shit out there that they aren't doing.
Nothing on the ground has changed that much, the country has done great things all along the way. This is just politics at this point.
Get better at securing the border? Sure. Have at it. Make it a political issue so that every fucking loser I ever knew now has renewed focus on the source of all of his problems? Well, it certainly worked well. I can't blame them on that score.
Still, sad.
You can’t even get Geography right in relation to Mexico, so it’s understandable how you’d come up short on what drives their Economy.
And way to close all @CirrhosisDawg with the ol “if you’re scared by illegals” then you are just a loser in life.
So Mexico couldn't benefit from the free illegal labor that is passing through on the way to us?
If its good for us its good for everyone!
Is anyone monitoring the numbers to make sure we hit that "free market sweet spot" of illegal dirt farmers in the country?
Isn't that why we would want to secure the border and actually you know keep fucking track of who is coming here?
Why is America alone supposed to say fuck it to border laws?
Yeah, fucking ludicrous dude
Mexico and the US have very different economies and thus very different abilities to exploit economic resources. I'm not an expert on the Mexican economy, but I'll go out on a limb and say that Mexico has less interest in cheap labor than the US.
Keep track? Of course. I don't dispute that as a legitimate national interest. Stipulated. You needn't beat that horse any more. My main issue is that it's been politicized and that has had some intended or unintended social consequences. I see it all the time.
I didn't say America should say fuck it to border laws. You said yourself it was stupid for me to argue that you were arguing that I was arguing against legal immigration. You've gone full circle.
The sweet spot is when the market says so, and the market always communicates. When have we ever in our history counted at the border until a buzzer went off announcing that we'd hit a sweet spot? I'm just telling you that there is work HERE, and that "they" are doing a lot of it, and are doing it cheaper. In some instances, they're doing stuff people who grew up here just won't do. Then there's a lot of made-up shit out there that they aren't doing.
Nothing on the ground has changed that much, the country has done great things all along the way. This is just politics at this point.
Get better at securing the border? Sure. Have at it. Make it a political issue so that every fucking loser I ever knew now has renewed focus on the source of all of his problems? Well, it certainly worked well. I can't blame them on that score.
Still, sad.
You can’t even get Geography right in relation to Mexico, so it’s understandable how you’d come up short on what drives their Economy.
And way to close all @CirrhosisDawg with the ol “if you’re scared by illegals” then you are just a loser in life.
Fucking, Christ. You said yourself not more than a few days ago that don't argue history with Yella snow.
@creepycoug , you ignorant slut, we were protectionists for the first 180 years or so of the Republic. We? closed the gates in 1924 for 41 years. And yet the country was considered a hell of a lot more laissez faire in the 1920s than it is now. I'm not saying to coddle the losers, but you can't fuck them over too badly either, lest they start revolting at the ballot box. We live in a democracy, Creep, not Soviet Russia, and the losers will go full pitchfork, populist.
Too late.
HTH
Sad I had to point that out to you. I remember when you knew your shit. You and Race have been hanging around the wrong kinda people.
PS: Latin Americans were still allowed in under the '24 Act, so, yeah, you're all welcome. Imagine the shit-show if we'd be left out with other 2% countries. Criminy.
And, what happened 5 years later anyway?
See?
There is no American Utopia to which you can point. There has always been an advantageous exploitation (in the good way) of labor and capital in all of our historical upswings.
Plan for the losers and ye will be a loser. I think Jefferson said that. Not sure.
Yep, too late. I gave Hill $50 to try and stop it, but she's a loser and losers lose.
Bad, bad, history. Yes, there have always been Messicans in California, Tejas, New Messico, etc, but the flood gates didn't open until the 1960s. In 1960 there were 788,000 people residing in the US who were born in Latin America. By 2010 that number was 19,155,077. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4638184/table/T2/?report=objectonly
Quoting Jefferson in a discussion about free labor markets? If that's not fucking irony, then I don't no what is.
I made up the quote about Jefferson. I thought you'd see that right away, but I forgot how far you've fallen. Sad.
And is it your contention that the country has been in a free fall since 1960? And who cares that they were born in Latin America? Why does that matter ... at all? When the % of people who were born in Ireland started to move the needle here did the country fail? Were the people who were freaking out about it, then, doing so for valid reasons that were later validated?
Kreist almighty. This is my point. This isn't a major problem. It's been made one, like, in the last year or two.
Of course, I know it (the Jefferson quote) is a fagazi. It still made me laff.
I don't care that there were born in Latin America or Timbuktu. Rather, I was rebutting your claim that there was plenty of immigration from Mexico from 1924- 65. The spike didn't come until later.
Look, I would agree with you that from a strictly macro economic sense, high levels of low skilled immigration have probably been a net positive to date for the economy. I also haven't viewed it, thus far, as an existential crisis for the US. There are some other issues of higher importance on the fix it list. But that doesn't mean that (a) it has been a positive for all segments of the workforce (aka "the losers") or that (b) it (high levels of low skilled immigrations - legal or otherwise) it will continue to be net positive economically in perpetuity. I say, let's get our house in order once and for all, and then we can sort out how much outside labor we need to bring in based on sound economic reasoning.
(a) Not "probably". Definitely, and you're probably underestimating the extent to which it has.
(b) You don't view it as an existential crisis; many now do. Politics.
(c) Losers lose, particularly in our system. We can't worry about them; we never have; and I never will.
(d) Nobody said in perpetuity. Nothing is in perpetuity. Not even our mighty [young] empire, which my great grand kids might just see fall.
(e) It doesn't work that way. There is no bean counting with markets. The markets aren't waiting for you to figure out the right amount. The markets want demand to do that. Come on. We were all more or less raised during Ford/Carter/Reagan/Bush I. We all know this shit. It was force fed to us as children. We don't plan our basic economic inputs with any degree of precision. Not well anyway. The Russians and Cuba gave it a really good go and failed miserably. All kinds of shit will cost more if we protect American labor. Get pissy about it all you all want to; I didn't make up the rules of the game. They were in place when I showed up. That's how it works. It's not just about mowing your own lawn. Do a mental inventory of all the shit you consume and then assume that some jack ass with a pension and 401-K and health bennies is the labor behind ALL OF IT. And then tell me what you have.
(f) The Creep Clan liked it the way we found it. Sorry if that offends. I was told there were no safe spaces for socialist snowflakes on this bored.
Did you know that day care centers in Seattle that have mostly Messican employees (many with very limited Engrish) and benefits charge the exact same as ones with mostly non-Hispanic, whites? What the fucks that all about. Where's my ESL discount? You wouldn't know about such things because you were a big shot, pretend lawyer who bought a house a long time ago, but still.
You should be paying moar to have your children raised bi-lingual. That will be one of the things you can give them to ensure they don't wind up on the LOSER side of the equation in America damn it!
We had to give up on bi-lingual day care, because the customer service sucked bigly.
I had dreams of a 6'6" blonde haired, blue eyed kid going down to Latin American being totally fluent and crushing it. Sad.
Fucking, Christ. You said yourself not more than a few days ago that don't argue history with Yella snow.
@creepycoug , you ignorant slut, we were protectionists for the first 180 years or so of the Republic. We? closed the gates in 1924 for 41 years. And yet the country was considered a hell of a lot more laissez faire in the 1920s than it is now. I'm not saying to coddle the losers, but you can't fuck them over too badly either, lest they start revolting at the ballot box. We live in a democracy, Creep, not Soviet Russia, and the losers will go full pitchfork, populist.
Too late.
HTH
Sad I had to point that out to you. I remember when you knew your shit. You and Race have been hanging around the wrong kinda people.
PS: Latin Americans were still allowed in under the '24 Act, so, yeah, you're all welcome. Imagine the shit-show if we'd be left out with other 2% countries. Criminy.
And, what happened 5 years later anyway?
See?
There is no American Utopia to which you can point. There has always been an advantageous exploitation (in the good way) of labor and capital in all of our historical upswings.
Plan for the losers and ye will be a loser. I think Jefferson said that. Not sure.
Yep, too late. I gave Hill $50 to try and stop it, but she's a loser and losers lose.
Bad, bad, history. Yes, there have always been Messicans in California, Tejas, New Messico, etc, but the flood gates didn't open until the 1960s. In 1960 there were 788,000 people residing in the US who were born in Latin America. By 2010 that number was 19,155,077. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4638184/table/T2/?report=objectonly
Quoting Jefferson in a discussion about free labor markets? If that's not fucking irony, then I don't no what is.
I made up the quote about Jefferson. I thought you'd see that right away, but I forgot how far you've fallen. Sad.
And is it your contention that the country has been in a free fall since 1960? And who cares that they were born in Latin America? Why does that matter ... at all? When the % of people who were born in Ireland started to move the needle here did the country fail? Were the people who were freaking out about it, then, doing so for valid reasons that were later validated?
Kreist almighty. This is my point. This isn't a major problem. It's been made one, like, in the last year or two.
Of course, I know it (the Jefferson quote) is a fagazi. It still made me laff.
I don't care that there were born in Latin America or Timbuktu. Rather, I was rebutting your claim that there was plenty of immigration from Mexico from 1924- 65. The spike didn't come until later.
Look, I would agree with you that from a strictly macro economic sense, high levels of low skilled immigration have probably been a net positive to date for the economy. I also haven't viewed it, thus far, as an existential crisis for the US. There are some other issues of higher importance on the fix it list. But that doesn't mean that (a) it has been a positive for all segments of the workforce (aka "the losers") or that (b) it (high levels of low skilled immigrations - legal or otherwise) it will continue to be net positive economically in perpetuity. I say, let's get our house in order once and for all, and then we can sort out how much outside labor we need to bring in based on sound economic reasoning.
(a) Not "probably". Definitely, and you're probably underestimating the extent to which it has.
(b) You don't view it as an existential crisis; many now do. Politics.
(c) Losers lose, particularly in our system. We can't worry about them; we never have; and I never will.
(d) Nobody said in perpetuity. Nothing is in perpetuity. Not even our mighty [young] empire, which my great grand kids might just see fall.
(e) It doesn't work that way. There is no bean counting with markets. The markets aren't waiting for you to figure out the right amount. The markets want demand to do that. Come on. We were all more or less raised during Ford/Carter/Reagan/Bush I. We all know this shit. It was force fed to us as children. We don't plan our basic economic inputs with any degree of precision. Not well anyway. The Russians and Cuba gave it a really good go and failed miserably. All kinds of shit will cost more if we protect American labor. Get pissy about it all you all want to; I didn't make up the rules of the game. They were in place when I showed up. That's how it works. It's not just about mowing your own lawn. Do a mental inventory of all the shit you consume and then assume that some jack ass with a pension and 401-K and health bennies is the labor behind ALL OF IT. And then tell me what you have.
(f) The Creep Clan liked it the way we found it. Sorry if that offends. I was told there were no safe spaces for socialist snowflakes on this bored.
Did you know that day care centers in Seattle that have mostly Messican employees (many with very limited Engrish) and benefits charge the exact same as ones with mostly non-Hispanic, whites? What the fucks that all about. Where's my ESL discount? You wouldn't know about such things because you were a big shot, pretend lawyer who bought a house a long time ago, but still.
You should be paying moar to have your children raised bi-lingual. That will be one of the things you can give them to ensure they don't wind up on the LOSER side of the equation in America damn it!
We had to give up on bi-lingual day care, because the customer service sucked bigly.
I had dreams of a 6 foot 5 250 pound former army ranger and college basketball player going down to Latin American being totally fluent and crushing it in life. Sad.
Fucking, Christ. You said yourself not more than a few days ago that don't argue history with Yella snow.
@creepycoug , you ignorant slut, we were protectionists for the first 180 years or so of the Republic. We? closed the gates in 1924 for 41 years. And yet the country was considered a hell of a lot more laissez faire in the 1920s than it is now. I'm not saying to coddle the losers, but you can't fuck them over too badly either, lest they start revolting at the ballot box. We live in a democracy, Creep, not Soviet Russia, and the losers will go full pitchfork, populist.
Too late.
HTH
Sad I had to point that out to you. I remember when you knew your shit. You and Race have been hanging around the wrong kinda people.
PS: Latin Americans were still allowed in under the '24 Act, so, yeah, you're all welcome. Imagine the shit-show if we'd be left out with other 2% countries. Criminy.
And, what happened 5 years later anyway?
See?
There is no American Utopia to which you can point. There has always been an advantageous exploitation (in the good way) of labor and capital in all of our historical upswings.
Plan for the losers and ye will be a loser. I think Jefferson said that. Not sure.
Yep, too late. I gave Hill $50 to try and stop it, but she's a loser and losers lose.
Bad, bad, history. Yes, there have always been Messicans in California, Tejas, New Messico, etc, but the flood gates didn't open until the 1960s. In 1960 there were 788,000 people residing in the US who were born in Latin America. By 2010 that number was 19,155,077. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4638184/table/T2/?report=objectonly
Quoting Jefferson in a discussion about free labor markets? If that's not fucking irony, then I don't no what is.
I made up the quote about Jefferson. I thought you'd see that right away, but I forgot how far you've fallen. Sad.
And is it your contention that the country has been in a free fall since 1960? And who cares that they were born in Latin America? Why does that matter ... at all? When the % of people who were born in Ireland started to move the needle here did the country fail? Were the people who were freaking out about it, then, doing so for valid reasons that were later validated?
Kreist almighty. This is my point. This isn't a major problem. It's been made one, like, in the last year or two.
Of course, I know it (the Jefferson quote) is a fagazi. It still made me laff.
I don't care that there were born in Latin America or Timbuktu. Rather, I was rebutting your claim that there was plenty of immigration from Mexico from 1924- 65. The spike didn't come until later.
Look, I would agree with you that from a strictly macro economic sense, high levels of low skilled immigration have probably been a net positive to date for the economy. I also haven't viewed it, thus far, as an existential crisis for the US. There are some other issues of higher importance on the fix it list. But that doesn't mean that (a) it has been a positive for all segments of the workforce (aka "the losers") or that (b) it (high levels of low skilled immigrations - legal or otherwise) it will continue to be net positive economically in perpetuity. I say, let's get our house in order once and for all, and then we can sort out how much outside labor we need to bring in based on sound economic reasoning.
(a) Not "probably". Definitely, and you're probably underestimating the extent to which it has.
(b) You don't view it as an existential crisis; many now do. Politics.
(c) Losers lose, particularly in our system. We can't worry about them; we never have; and I never will.
(d) Nobody said in perpetuity. Nothing is in perpetuity. Not even our mighty [young] empire, which my great grand kids might just see fall.
(e) It doesn't work that way. There is no bean counting with markets. The markets aren't waiting for you to figure out the right amount. The markets want demand to do that. Come on. We were all more or less raised during Ford/Carter/Reagan/Bush I. We all know this shit. It was force fed to us as children. We don't plan our basic economic inputs with any degree of precision. Not well anyway. The Russians and Cuba gave it a really good go and failed miserably. All kinds of shit will cost more if we protect American labor. Get pissy about it all you all want to; I didn't make up the rules of the game. They were in place when I showed up. That's how it works. It's not just about mowing your own lawn. Do a mental inventory of all the shit you consume and then assume that some jack ass with a pension and 401-K and health bennies is the labor behind ALL OF IT. And then tell me what you have.
(f) The Creep Clan liked it the way we found it. Sorry if that offends. I was told there were no safe spaces for socialist snowflakes on this bored.
Did you know that day care centers in Seattle that have mostly Messican employees (many with very limited Engrish) and benefits charge the exact same as ones with mostly non-Hispanic, whites? What the fucks that all about. Where's my ESL discount? You wouldn't know about such things because you were a big shot, pretend lawyer who bought a house a long time ago, but still.
You should be paying moar to have your children raised bi-lingual. That will be one of the things you can give them to ensure they don't wind up on the LOSER side of the equation in America damn it!
We had to give up on bi-lingual day care, because the customer service sucked bigly.
I had dreams of a 6'6" blonde haired, blue eyed kid going down to Latin American being totally fluent and crushing it. Sad.
Fucking, Christ. You said yourself not more than a few days ago that don't argue history with Yella snow.
@creepycoug , you ignorant slut, we were protectionists for the first 180 years or so of the Republic. We? closed the gates in 1924 for 41 years. And yet the country was considered a hell of a lot more laissez faire in the 1920s than it is now. I'm not saying to coddle the losers, but you can't fuck them over too badly either, lest they start revolting at the ballot box. We live in a democracy, Creep, not Soviet Russia, and the losers will go full pitchfork, populist.
Too late.
HTH
Sad I had to point that out to you. I remember when you knew your shit. You and Race have been hanging around the wrong kinda people.
PS: Latin Americans were still allowed in under the '24 Act, so, yeah, you're all welcome. Imagine the shit-show if we'd be left out with other 2% countries. Criminy.
And, what happened 5 years later anyway?
See?
There is no American Utopia to which you can point. There has always been an advantageous exploitation (in the good way) of labor and capital in all of our historical upswings.
Plan for the losers and ye will be a loser. I think Jefferson said that. Not sure.
Yep, too late. I gave Hill $50 to try and stop it, but she's a loser and losers lose.
Bad, bad, history. Yes, there have always been Messicans in California, Tejas, New Messico, etc, but the flood gates didn't open until the 1960s. In 1960 there were 788,000 people residing in the US who were born in Latin America. By 2010 that number was 19,155,077. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4638184/table/T2/?report=objectonly
Quoting Jefferson in a discussion about free labor markets? If that's not fucking irony, then I don't no what is.
I made up the quote about Jefferson. I thought you'd see that right away, but I forgot how far you've fallen. Sad.
And is it your contention that the country has been in a free fall since 1960? And who cares that they were born in Latin America? Why does that matter ... at all? When the % of people who were born in Ireland started to move the needle here did the country fail? Were the people who were freaking out about it, then, doing so for valid reasons that were later validated?
Kreist almighty. This is my point. This isn't a major problem. It's been made one, like, in the last year or two.
Of course, I know it (the Jefferson quote) is a fagazi. It still made me laff.
I don't care that there were born in Latin America or Timbuktu. Rather, I was rebutting your claim that there was plenty of immigration from Mexico from 1924- 65. The spike didn't come until later.
Look, I would agree with you that from a strictly macro economic sense, high levels of low skilled immigration have probably been a net positive to date for the economy. I also haven't viewed it, thus far, as an existential crisis for the US. There are some other issues of higher importance on the fix it list. But that doesn't mean that (a) it has been a positive for all segments of the workforce (aka "the losers") or that (b) it (high levels of low skilled immigrations - legal or otherwise) it will continue to be net positive economically in perpetuity. I say, let's get our house in order once and for all, and then we can sort out how much outside labor we need to bring in based on sound economic reasoning.
(a) Not "probably". Definitely, and you're probably underestimating the extent to which it has.
(b) You don't view it as an existential crisis; many now do. Politics.
(c) Losers lose, particularly in our system. We can't worry about them; we never have; and I never will.
(d) Nobody said in perpetuity. Nothing is in perpetuity. Not even our mighty [young] empire, which my great grand kids might just see fall.
(e) It doesn't work that way. There is no bean counting with markets. The markets aren't waiting for you to figure out the right amount. The markets want demand to do that. Come on. We were all more or less raised during Ford/Carter/Reagan/Bush I. We all know this shit. It was force fed to us as children. We don't plan our basic economic inputs with any degree of precision. Not well anyway. The Russians and Cuba gave it a really good go and failed miserably. All kinds of shit will cost more if we protect American labor. Get pissy about it all you all want to; I didn't make up the rules of the game. They were in place when I showed up. That's how it works. It's not just about mowing your own lawn. Do a mental inventory of all the shit you consume and then assume that some jack ass with a pension and 401-K and health bennies is the labor behind ALL OF IT. And then tell me what you have.
(f) The Creep Clan liked it the way we found it. Sorry if that offends. I was told there were no safe spaces for socialist snowflakes on this bored.
Did you know that day care centers in Seattle that have mostly Messican employees (many with very limited Engrish) and benefits charge the exact same as ones with mostly non-Hispanic, whites? What the fucks that all about. Where's my ESL discount? You wouldn't know about such things because you were a big shot, pretend lawyer who bought a house a long time ago, but still.
You should be paying moar to have your children raised bi-lingual. That will be one of the things you can give them to ensure they don't wind up on the LOSER side of the equation in America damn it!
We had to give up on bi-lingual day care, because the customer service sucked bigly.
I had dreams of a 6'6" blonde haired, blue eyed kid going down to Latin American being totally fluent and crushing it. Sad.
Raysiss. Figures.
Sad, really. Just sad.
There are plenty of white people owned day cares that have terrible customer service too. Pour customer service doesn't discriminate.
Fucking, Christ. You said yourself not more than a few days ago that don't argue history with Yella snow.
@creepycoug , you ignorant slut, we were protectionists for the first 180 years or so of the Republic. We? closed the gates in 1924 for 41 years. And yet the country was considered a hell of a lot more laissez faire in the 1920s than it is now. I'm not saying to coddle the losers, but you can't fuck them over too badly either, lest they start revolting at the ballot box. We live in a democracy, Creep, not Soviet Russia, and the losers will go full pitchfork, populist.
Too late.
HTH
Sad I had to point that out to you. I remember when you knew your shit. You and Race have been hanging around the wrong kinda people.
PS: Latin Americans were still allowed in under the '24 Act, so, yeah, you're all welcome. Imagine the shit-show if we'd be left out with other 2% countries. Criminy.
And, what happened 5 years later anyway?
See?
There is no American Utopia to which you can point. There has always been an advantageous exploitation (in the good way) of labor and capital in all of our historical upswings.
Plan for the losers and ye will be a loser. I think Jefferson said that. Not sure.
Yep, too late. I gave Hill $50 to try and stop it, but she's a loser and losers lose.
Bad, bad, history. Yes, there have always been Messicans in California, Tejas, New Messico, etc, but the flood gates didn't open until the 1960s. In 1960 there were 788,000 people residing in the US who were born in Latin America. By 2010 that number was 19,155,077. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4638184/table/T2/?report=objectonly
Quoting Jefferson in a discussion about free labor markets? If that's not fucking irony, then I don't no what is.
I made up the quote about Jefferson. I thought you'd see that right away, but I forgot how far you've fallen. Sad.
And is it your contention that the country has been in a free fall since 1960? And who cares that they were born in Latin America? Why does that matter ... at all? When the % of people who were born in Ireland started to move the needle here did the country fail? Were the people who were freaking out about it, then, doing so for valid reasons that were later validated?
Kreist almighty. This is my point. This isn't a major problem. It's been made one, like, in the last year or two.
Of course, I know it (the Jefferson quote) is a fagazi. It still made me laff.
I don't care that there were born in Latin America or Timbuktu. Rather, I was rebutting your claim that there was plenty of immigration from Mexico from 1924- 65. The spike didn't come until later.
Look, I would agree with you that from a strictly macro economic sense, high levels of low skilled immigration have probably been a net positive to date for the economy. I also haven't viewed it, thus far, as an existential crisis for the US. There are some other issues of higher importance on the fix it list. But that doesn't mean that (a) it has been a positive for all segments of the workforce (aka "the losers") or that (b) it (high levels of low skilled immigrations - legal or otherwise) it will continue to be net positive economically in perpetuity. I say, let's get our house in order once and for all, and then we can sort out how much outside labor we need to bring in based on sound economic reasoning.
(a) Not "probably". Definitely, and you're probably underestimating the extent to which it has.
(b) You don't view it as an existential crisis; many now do. Politics.
(c) Losers lose, particularly in our system. We can't worry about them; we never have; and I never will.
(d) Nobody said in perpetuity. Nothing is in perpetuity. Not even our mighty [young] empire, which my great grand kids might just see fall.
(e) It doesn't work that way. There is no bean counting with markets. The markets aren't waiting for you to figure out the right amount. The markets want demand to do that. Come on. We were all more or less raised during Ford/Carter/Reagan/Bush I. We all know this shit. It was force fed to us as children. We don't plan our basic economic inputs with any degree of precision. Not well anyway. The Russians and Cuba gave it a really good go and failed miserably. All kinds of shit will cost more if we protect American labor. Get pissy about it all you all want to; I didn't make up the rules of the game. They were in place when I showed up. That's how it works. It's not just about mowing your own lawn. Do a mental inventory of all the shit you consume and then assume that some jack ass with a pension and 401-K and health bennies is the labor behind ALL OF IT. And then tell me what you have.
(f) The Creep Clan liked it the way we found it. Sorry if that offends. I was told there were no safe spaces for socialist snowflakes on this bored.
Did you know that day care centers in Seattle that have mostly Messican employees (many with very limited Engrish) and benefits charge the exact same as ones with mostly non-Hispanic, whites? What the fucks that all about. Where's my ESL discount? You wouldn't know about such things because you were a big shot, pretend lawyer who bought a house a long time ago, but still.
You should be paying moar to have your children raised bi-lingual. That will be one of the things you can give them to ensure they don't wind up on the LOSER side of the equation in America damn it!
We had to give up on bi-lingual day care, because the customer service sucked bigly.
I had dreams of a 6'6" blonde haired, blue eyed kid going down to Latin American being totally fluent and crushing it. Sad.
Raysiss. Figures.
Sad, really. Just sad.
There are plenty of white people owned day cares that have terrible customer service too. Pour customer service doesn't discriminate.
Sure.
I'll bet you don't complain about the service at your local Taco stand. Then it's all ok isn't it?
But some people will never be good enuff for rowboat kids.
Fucking, Christ. You said yourself not more than a few days ago that don't argue history with Yella snow.
@creepycoug , you ignorant slut, we were protectionists for the first 180 years or so of the Republic. We? closed the gates in 1924 for 41 years. And yet the country was considered a hell of a lot more laissez faire in the 1920s than it is now. I'm not saying to coddle the losers, but you can't fuck them over too badly either, lest they start revolting at the ballot box. We live in a democracy, Creep, not Soviet Russia, and the losers will go full pitchfork, populist.
Too late.
HTH
Sad I had to point that out to you. I remember when you knew your shit. You and Race have been hanging around the wrong kinda people.
PS: Latin Americans were still allowed in under the '24 Act, so, yeah, you're all welcome. Imagine the shit-show if we'd be left out with other 2% countries. Criminy.
And, what happened 5 years later anyway?
See?
There is no American Utopia to which you can point. There has always been an advantageous exploitation (in the good way) of labor and capital in all of our historical upswings.
Plan for the losers and ye will be a loser. I think Jefferson said that. Not sure.
Yep, too late. I gave Hill $50 to try and stop it, but she's a loser and losers lose.
Bad, bad, history. Yes, there have always been Messicans in California, Tejas, New Messico, etc, but the flood gates didn't open until the 1960s. In 1960 there were 788,000 people residing in the US who were born in Latin America. By 2010 that number was 19,155,077. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4638184/table/T2/?report=objectonly
Quoting Jefferson in a discussion about free labor markets? If that's not fucking irony, then I don't no what is.
I made up the quote about Jefferson. I thought you'd see that right away, but I forgot how far you've fallen. Sad.
And is it your contention that the country has been in a free fall since 1960? And who cares that they were born in Latin America? Why does that matter ... at all? When the % of people who were born in Ireland started to move the needle here did the country fail? Were the people who were freaking out about it, then, doing so for valid reasons that were later validated?
Kreist almighty. This is my point. This isn't a major problem. It's been made one, like, in the last year or two.
Of course, I know it (the Jefferson quote) is a fagazi. It still made me laff.
I don't care that there were born in Latin America or Timbuktu. Rather, I was rebutting your claim that there was plenty of immigration from Mexico from 1924- 65. The spike didn't come until later.
Look, I would agree with you that from a strictly macro economic sense, high levels of low skilled immigration have probably been a net positive to date for the economy. I also haven't viewed it, thus far, as an existential crisis for the US. There are some other issues of higher importance on the fix it list. But that doesn't mean that (a) it has been a positive for all segments of the workforce (aka "the losers") or that (b) it (high levels of low skilled immigrations - legal or otherwise) it will continue to be net positive economically in perpetuity. I say, let's get our house in order once and for all, and then we can sort out how much outside labor we need to bring in based on sound economic reasoning.
(a) Not "probably". Definitely, and you're probably underestimating the extent to which it has.
(b) You don't view it as an existential crisis; many now do. Politics.
(c) Losers lose, particularly in our system. We can't worry about them; we never have; and I never will.
(d) Nobody said in perpetuity. Nothing is in perpetuity. Not even our mighty [young] empire, which my great grand kids might just see fall.
(e) It doesn't work that way. There is no bean counting with markets. The markets aren't waiting for you to figure out the right amount. The markets want demand to do that. Come on. We were all more or less raised during Ford/Carter/Reagan/Bush I. We all know this shit. It was force fed to us as children. We don't plan our basic economic inputs with any degree of precision. Not well anyway. The Russians and Cuba gave it a really good go and failed miserably. All kinds of shit will cost more if we protect American labor. Get pissy about it all you all want to; I didn't make up the rules of the game. They were in place when I showed up. That's how it works. It's not just about mowing your own lawn. Do a mental inventory of all the shit you consume and then assume that some jack ass with a pension and 401-K and health bennies is the labor behind ALL OF IT. And then tell me what you have.
(f) The Creep Clan liked it the way we found it. Sorry if that offends. I was told there were no safe spaces for socialist snowflakes on this bored.
Did you know that day care centers in Seattle that have mostly Messican employees (many with very limited Engrish) and benefits charge the exact same as ones with mostly non-Hispanic, whites? What the fucks that all about. Where's my ESL discount? You wouldn't know about such things because you were a big shot, pretend lawyer who bought a house a long time ago, but still.
You should be paying moar to have your children raised bi-lingual. That will be one of the things you can give them to ensure they don't wind up on the LOSER side of the equation in America damn it!
We had to give up on bi-lingual day care, because the customer service sucked bigly.
I had dreams of a 6'6" blonde haired, blue eyed kid going down to Latin American being totally fluent and crushing it. Sad.
Raysiss. Figures.
Sad, really. Just sad.
There are plenty of white people owned day cares that have terrible customer service too. Pour customer service doesn't discriminate.
Sure.
I'll bet you don't complain about the service at your local Taco stand. Then it's all ok isn't it?
But some people will never be good enuff for rowboat kids.
Sad.
Quit pretend badgering the witness. Also, I don't go to the local taco stands much...my homemade gringo tacos are much better.
I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real family
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real family
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
I guess I haven't read enough of your comments to understand your view of the connection between immigration and suffering and family displacement. Oh well, probably not worth your time following up on it. We're not going to agree, and that's fine.
Unless you open the borders people that come here illegally and try to cross are going to lose the fake family they came with or even a real family
Letting them in for years is why we have had kids in cages for years and an ongoing shit show at the border
Just because the media chose to bring it up this week hardly makes it a new problem
If you want more of something allow it to happen without consequence.
It was my understanding that the illegal immigration issue was solved back in 1986.
My smoking hot PMs parents waded across in the 80's and are proud Reagan amnesty folks who vote GOP. It was half a deal which is the deal Trump isn't taking this time
I've been meaning to ask you: where have the Reagan Republicans GONE?
The piece IN the NYT today going OVER Sessions and Miller reminded me how we got here: the NEW populism. You cannot wrangle out of this ONE with cute turns-of-a-phrase. The neo-conservative HAS absolutely turned his back ON free market economis. What with Sessions and his sandy memories of displaced chicken factory white trash, and Miller with God-knows-what pushing his buttons. Give me a fucking break. Even the most conservative OUTLETS I can find concede that these people do work that Americans no longer wish to do, and you and I both know what will happen if we have to fund a pension for a guy to mow MY grass.
We don't need millions of dirt farmers for our economy
That's establishment GOP bullshit that has nothing to do with conservatism
The democrats want votes the GOP wants lawn workers
I want what is best for America
Everyone of these democrat congressional districts has families in trouble that their grandstanding piece of shit representatives don't give two shits about
Construction is not the work Americans don't want to do.
Race you ignorant slut. You've completely betrayed capitalism, and thus betrayed Reagan and the foundation upon which this cuntry was built and rests.
Macro 101: capital and labor and equilibrium. It isn't the place of some message board jockey to second guess the invisible hand. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Microsoft has written code that will solve central planning ... or some shit. If the immigrants find work at a given wage, then, by definition, the cuntry needed the labor at that wage. Period. Labor flows to capital and capital flows to labor. The guvmint and white trash hillbillies in Alabama need to stay out of the way.
Free market economics: the single most fair game the world has ever known. And now the losers of said game want to rewrite the rules.
Socialism through conservative politics. Never thought I'd see it. Even crazy Ronnie is turning in his grave as I type.
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Because everyone in their right mind pretty much agreed that they had to stop illegal immigration and reform the laws to make it easier to come here.
Before it got turned into this massive racist thing and the Democrats started advocating for ignoring the law.
It's a loser issue.
Same as being against abortion.
Same as trying to take guns.
Dems win 2/3.
Well, lose.
If republicans backed down on the abortion thing. Or left it up to the states or whatever.
They'd never lose.
And way to close all @CirrhosisDawg with the ol “if you’re scared by illegals” then you are just a loser in life.
Fucking Bravo!!!!
I had dreams of a 6'6" blonde haired, blue eyed kid going down to Latin American being totally fluent and crushing it. Sad.
Raysiss. Figures.
Sad, really. Just sad.
I'll bet you don't complain about the service at your local Taco stand. Then it's all ok isn't it?
But some people will never be good enuff for rowboat kids.
Sad.