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Billy Graham sells the couch
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I try to show restraint Creep.creepycoug said:
Oh come on. You're better than this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
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Likewise, Lenin for Stalin and every other shit who's fucked the world in the name of redistribution and fundamental fairness.BearsWiin said:
I don't let Plekhanov off the hook for what Lenin didcreepycoug said:
Agreed.BearsWiin said:
We're evolved to be cooperative; it conveys a huge survival advantage, and we do it so much that we don't even think about it most of the time. We don't need Christ in our hearts to act nicely to each other.creepycoug said:
Was Billy a charlatan?BearsWiin said:
We all do. It's what we do in that 1%, when the decisions are hard, when doing the right thing might not be the easy thing, that separate decent people from lousy assholes.salemcoog said:
Why does someone who lived their life genuinely righteous 99% of the time shame you?BearsWiin said:
It's cute that you think this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
The man amassed wealth and influence acting as a purveyor of spiritual snake oil, and he laid the groundwork for others, including his own spawn, to use the religious right as a political force for shitty policy over the last four decades.
I'm crushed.
Btw, Salem isn't even close to 99%. Frankly, none of us are. I'll bet Billy wasn't either.
Also agreed that, while Graham was a lot more tolerable in his M/O than the typical evangelical, he did commit the hubris of making snake oil salesmen acceptable to broad range of people. -
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Come on now, everyone in St. Petersburg knew it was time for a change, and to kill the Czar and his minsters while Anastasia screamed in vain.creepycoug said:
Likewise, Lenin for Stalin and every other shit who's fucked the world in the name of redistribution and fundamental fairness.BearsWiin said:
I don't let Plekhanov off the hook for what Lenin didcreepycoug said:
Agreed.BearsWiin said:
We're evolved to be cooperative; it conveys a huge survival advantage, and we do it so much that we don't even think about it most of the time. We don't need Christ in our hearts to act nicely to each other.creepycoug said:
Was Billy a charlatan?BearsWiin said:
We all do. It's what we do in that 1%, when the decisions are hard, when doing the right thing might not be the easy thing, that separate decent people from lousy assholes.salemcoog said:
Why does someone who lived their life genuinely righteous 99% of the time shame you?BearsWiin said:
It's cute that you think this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
The man amassed wealth and influence acting as a purveyor of spiritual snake oil, and he laid the groundwork for others, including his own spawn, to use the religious right as a political force for shitty policy over the last four decades.
I'm crushed.
Btw, Salem isn't even close to 99%. Frankly, none of us are. I'll bet Billy wasn't either.
Also agreed that, while Graham was a lot more tolerable in his M/O than the typical evangelical, he did commit the hubris of making snake oil salesmen acceptable to broad range of people. -
Errbody in the West slobbers over Pasternak's Dr. Zhivago, but the masterpiece of Soviet fiction was Bulgakov's Master and Margarita. Major props to Jagger and Co. for the literary reference.YellowSnow said:
Come on now, everyone in St. Petersburg knew it was time for a change, and to kill the Czar and his minsters while Anastasia screamed in vain.creepycoug said:
Likewise, Lenin for Stalin and every other shit who's fucked the world in the name of redistribution and fundamental fairness.BearsWiin said:
I don't let Plekhanov off the hook for what Lenin didcreepycoug said:
Agreed.BearsWiin said:
We're evolved to be cooperative; it conveys a huge survival advantage, and we do it so much that we don't even think about it most of the time. We don't need Christ in our hearts to act nicely to each other.creepycoug said:
Was Billy a charlatan?BearsWiin said:
We all do. It's what we do in that 1%, when the decisions are hard, when doing the right thing might not be the easy thing, that separate decent people from lousy assholes.salemcoog said:
Why does someone who lived their life genuinely righteous 99% of the time shame you?BearsWiin said:
It's cute that you think this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
The man amassed wealth and influence acting as a purveyor of spiritual snake oil, and he laid the groundwork for others, including his own spawn, to use the religious right as a political force for shitty policy over the last four decades.
I'm crushed.
Btw, Salem isn't even close to 99%. Frankly, none of us are. I'll bet Billy wasn't either.
Also agreed that, while Graham was a lot more tolerable in his M/O than the typical evangelical, he did commit the hubris of making snake oil salesmen acceptable to broad range of people. -
Julie Christie was so hot though!!BearsWiin said:
Errbody in the West slobbers over Pasternak's Dr. Zhivago, but the masterpiece of Soviet fiction was Bulgakov's Master and Margarita. Major props to Jagger and Co. for the literary reference.YellowSnow said:
Come on now, everyone in St. Petersburg knew it was time for a change, and to kill the Czar and his minsters while Anastasia screamed in vain.creepycoug said:
Likewise, Lenin for Stalin and every other shit who's fucked the world in the name of redistribution and fundamental fairness.BearsWiin said:
I don't let Plekhanov off the hook for what Lenin didcreepycoug said:
Agreed.BearsWiin said:
We're evolved to be cooperative; it conveys a huge survival advantage, and we do it so much that we don't even think about it most of the time. We don't need Christ in our hearts to act nicely to each other.creepycoug said:
Was Billy a charlatan?BearsWiin said:
We all do. It's what we do in that 1%, when the decisions are hard, when doing the right thing might not be the easy thing, that separate decent people from lousy assholes.salemcoog said:
Why does someone who lived their life genuinely righteous 99% of the time shame you?BearsWiin said:
It's cute that you think this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
The man amassed wealth and influence acting as a purveyor of spiritual snake oil, and he laid the groundwork for others, including his own spawn, to use the religious right as a political force for shitty policy over the last four decades.
I'm crushed.
Btw, Salem isn't even close to 99%. Frankly, none of us are. I'll bet Billy wasn't either.
Also agreed that, while Graham was a lot more tolerable in his M/O than the typical evangelical, he did commit the hubris of making snake oil salesmen acceptable to broad range of people.
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YellowSnow said:
Julie Christie was so hot though!!BearsWiin said:
Errbody in the West slobbers over Pasternak's Dr. Zhivago, but the masterpiece of Soviet fiction was Bulgakov's Master and Margarita. Major props to Jagger and Co. for the literary reference.YellowSnow said:
Come on now, everyone in St. Petersburg knew it was time for a change, and to kill the Czar and his minsters while Anastasia screamed in vain.creepycoug said:
Likewise, Lenin for Stalin and every other shit who's fucked the world in the name of redistribution and fundamental fairness.BearsWiin said:
I don't let Plekhanov off the hook for what Lenin didcreepycoug said:
Agreed.BearsWiin said:
We're evolved to be cooperative; it conveys a huge survival advantage, and we do it so much that we don't even think about it most of the time. We don't need Christ in our hearts to act nicely to each other.creepycoug said:
Was Billy a charlatan?BearsWiin said:
We all do. It's what we do in that 1%, when the decisions are hard, when doing the right thing might not be the easy thing, that separate decent people from lousy assholes.salemcoog said:
Why does someone who lived their life genuinely righteous 99% of the time shame you?BearsWiin said:
It's cute that you think this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
The man amassed wealth and influence acting as a purveyor of spiritual snake oil, and he laid the groundwork for others, including his own spawn, to use the religious right as a political force for shitty policy over the last four decades.
I'm crushed.
Btw, Salem isn't even close to 99%. Frankly, none of us are. I'll bet Billy wasn't either.
Also agreed that, while Graham was a lot more tolerable in his M/O than the typical evangelical, he did commit the hubris of making snake oil salesmen acceptable to broad range of people.
gotta love HH; thread on the death of an iconic pastor becomes Julie Christie sideboob in fewer than two pages
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But you need something bigger than yourself... No???BearsWiin said:
We're evolved to be cooperative; it conveys a huge survival advantage, and we do it so much that we don't even think about it most of the time. We don't need Christ in our hearts to act nicely to each other.creepycoug said:
Was Billy a charlatan?BearsWiin said:
We all do. It's what we do in that 1%, when the decisions are hard, when doing the right thing might not be the easy thing, that separate decent people from lousy assholes.salemcoog said:
Why does someone who lived their life genuinely righteous 99% of the time shame you?BearsWiin said:
It's cute that you think this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
The man amassed wealth and influence acting as a purveyor of spiritual snake oil, and he laid the groundwork for others, including his own spawn, to use the religious right as a political force for shitty policy over the last four decades.
I'm crushed.
Btw, Salem isn't even close to 99%. Frankly, none of us are. I'll bet Billy wasn't either. -
No.salemcoog said:
But you need something bigger than yourself... No???BearsWiin said:
We're evolved to be cooperative; it conveys a huge survival advantage, and we do it so much that we don't even think about it most of the time. We don't need Christ in our hearts to act nicely to each other.creepycoug said:
Was Billy a charlatan?BearsWiin said:
We all do. It's what we do in that 1%, when the decisions are hard, when doing the right thing might not be the easy thing, that separate decent people from lousy assholes.salemcoog said:
Why does someone who lived their life genuinely righteous 99% of the time shame you?BearsWiin said:
It's cute that you think this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
The man amassed wealth and influence acting as a purveyor of spiritual snake oil, and he laid the groundwork for others, including his own spawn, to use the religious right as a political force for shitty policy over the last four decades.
I'm crushed.
Btw, Salem isn't even close to 99%. Frankly, none of us are. I'll bet Billy wasn't either.
Stop being a pussy. -
Christ, you could, at least, give me one fucking Chin, you bastard. But then if you did that I'd have to take it as a miracle and start believing in god.BearsWiin said:YellowSnow said:
Julie Christie was so hot though!!BearsWiin said:
Errbody in the West slobbers over Pasternak's Dr. Zhivago, but the masterpiece of Soviet fiction was Bulgakov's Master and Margarita. Major props to Jagger and Co. for the literary reference.YellowSnow said:
Come on now, everyone in St. Petersburg knew it was time for a change, and to kill the Czar and his minsters while Anastasia screamed in vain.creepycoug said:
Likewise, Lenin for Stalin and every other shit who's fucked the world in the name of redistribution and fundamental fairness.BearsWiin said:
I don't let Plekhanov off the hook for what Lenin didcreepycoug said:
Agreed.BearsWiin said:
We're evolved to be cooperative; it conveys a huge survival advantage, and we do it so much that we don't even think about it most of the time. We don't need Christ in our hearts to act nicely to each other.creepycoug said:
Was Billy a charlatan?BearsWiin said:
We all do. It's what we do in that 1%, when the decisions are hard, when doing the right thing might not be the easy thing, that separate decent people from lousy assholes.salemcoog said:
Why does someone who lived their life genuinely righteous 99% of the time shame you?BearsWiin said:
It's cute that you think this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
The man amassed wealth and influence acting as a purveyor of spiritual snake oil, and he laid the groundwork for others, including his own spawn, to use the religious right as a political force for shitty policy over the last four decades.
I'm crushed.
Btw, Salem isn't even close to 99%. Frankly, none of us are. I'll bet Billy wasn't either.
Also agreed that, while Graham was a lot more tolerable in his M/O than the typical evangelical, he did commit the hubris of making snake oil salesmen acceptable to broad range of people.
gotta love HH; thread on the death of an iconic pastor becomes Julie Christie sideboob in fewer than two pages -
There is something far bigger than all of us called the Universe and the Laws of Psychics. It just doesn't care about us is all.salemcoog said:
But you need something bigger than yourself... No???BearsWiin said:
We're evolved to be cooperative; it conveys a huge survival advantage, and we do it so much that we don't even think about it most of the time. We don't need Christ in our hearts to act nicely to each other.creepycoug said:
Was Billy a charlatan?BearsWiin said:
We all do. It's what we do in that 1%, when the decisions are hard, when doing the right thing might not be the easy thing, that separate decent people from lousy assholes.salemcoog said:
Why does someone who lived their life genuinely righteous 99% of the time shame you?BearsWiin said:
It's cute that you think this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
The man amassed wealth and influence acting as a purveyor of spiritual snake oil, and he laid the groundwork for others, including his own spawn, to use the religious right as a political force for shitty policy over the last four decades.
I'm crushed.
Btw, Salem isn't even close to 99%. Frankly, none of us are. I'll bet Billy wasn't either. -
Leave him alone. He attended WSU and is afraid of the dark ... and eternity.YellowSnow said:
There is something far bigger than all of us called the Universe and the Laws of Psychics. It just doesn't care about us is all.salemcoog said:
But you need something bigger than yourself... No???BearsWiin said:
We're evolved to be cooperative; it conveys a huge survival advantage, and we do it so much that we don't even think about it most of the time. We don't need Christ in our hearts to act nicely to each other.creepycoug said:
Was Billy a charlatan?BearsWiin said:
We all do. It's what we do in that 1%, when the decisions are hard, when doing the right thing might not be the easy thing, that separate decent people from lousy assholes.salemcoog said:
Why does someone who lived their life genuinely righteous 99% of the time shame you?BearsWiin said:
It's cute that you think this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
The man amassed wealth and influence acting as a purveyor of spiritual snake oil, and he laid the groundwork for others, including his own spawn, to use the religious right as a political force for shitty policy over the last four decades.
I'm crushed.
Btw, Salem isn't even close to 99%. Frankly, none of us are. I'll bet Billy wasn't either.
He's a pussy. -
My DNA needs to survive, thrive, and reproduce. Cooperation conveys a huge survival advantage, so my self-interested impulses need to be channeled within the larger cooperative context; morality arises from our need to cooperate. "Needing" something bigger than myself is merely a shell program on top of the basic instructions, in order to help me survive in the cooperative social environment and propel my DNA into the future. To my mind, it's waay cooler to understnad that my DNA is the result of 3.5 billion years of trial and error in a changing and usually hostile natural environment, rather than that there's some omnipotent bearded guy in the sky who gives a shit about how many times I've had filthy thoughts about Dana Delany.salemcoog said:
But you need something bigger than yourself... No???BearsWiin said:
We're evolved to be cooperative; it conveys a huge survival advantage, and we do it so much that we don't even think about it most of the time. We don't need Christ in our hearts to act nicely to each other.creepycoug said:
Was Billy a charlatan?BearsWiin said:
We all do. It's what we do in that 1%, when the decisions are hard, when doing the right thing might not be the easy thing, that separate decent people from lousy assholes.salemcoog said:
Why does someone who lived their life genuinely righteous 99% of the time shame you?BearsWiin said:
It's cute that you think this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
The man amassed wealth and influence acting as a purveyor of spiritual snake oil, and he laid the groundwork for others, including his own spawn, to use the religious right as a political force for shitty policy over the last four decades.
I'm crushed.
Btw, Salem isn't even close to 99%. Frankly, none of us are. I'll bet Billy wasn't either.
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Umm... Pretty sure you need that moar than anyone else in this cesspool.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
No.salemcoog said:
But you need something bigger than yourself... No???BearsWiin said:
We're evolved to be cooperative; it conveys a huge survival advantage, and we do it so much that we don't even think about it most of the time. We don't need Christ in our hearts to act nicely to each other.creepycoug said:
Was Billy a charlatan?BearsWiin said:
We all do. It's what we do in that 1%, when the decisions are hard, when doing the right thing might not be the easy thing, that separate decent people from lousy assholes.salemcoog said:
Why does someone who lived their life genuinely righteous 99% of the time shame you?BearsWiin said:
It's cute that you think this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
The man amassed wealth and influence acting as a purveyor of spiritual snake oil, and he laid the groundwork for others, including his own spawn, to use the religious right as a political force for shitty policy over the last four decades.
I'm crushed.
Btw, Salem isn't even close to 99%. Frankly, none of us are. I'll bet Billy wasn't either.
Stop being a pussy.
But sure.gif. -
Ironic ain't it then that the OS of our brains is "evolved" to believe in deities?BearsWiin said:
My DNA needs to survive, thrive, and reproduce. Cooperation conveys a huge survival advantage, so my self-interested impulses need to be channeled within the larger cooperative context; morality arises from our need to cooperate. "Needing" something bigger than myself is merely a shell program on top of the basic instructions, in order to help me survive in the cooperative social environment and propel my DNA into the future. To my mind, it's waay cooler to understnad that my DNA is the result of 3.5 billion years of trial and error in a changing and usually hostile natural environment, rather than that there's some omnipotent bearded guy in the sky who gives a shit about how many times I've had filthy thoughts about Dana Delany.salemcoog said:
But you need something bigger than yourself... No???BearsWiin said:
We're evolved to be cooperative; it conveys a huge survival advantage, and we do it so much that we don't even think about it most of the time. We don't need Christ in our hearts to act nicely to each other.creepycoug said:
Was Billy a charlatan?BearsWiin said:
We all do. It's what we do in that 1%, when the decisions are hard, when doing the right thing might not be the easy thing, that separate decent people from lousy assholes.salemcoog said:
Why does someone who lived their life genuinely righteous 99% of the time shame you?BearsWiin said:
It's cute that you think this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
The man amassed wealth and influence acting as a purveyor of spiritual snake oil, and he laid the groundwork for others, including his own spawn, to use the religious right as a political force for shitty policy over the last four decades.
I'm crushed.
Btw, Salem isn't even close to 99%. Frankly, none of us are. I'll bet Billy wasn't either. -
Chinteresting... so natural selection. the tribal collective and opposable thumbs. However your ancestors worshipped something and/or somebody besides the bearded Zeus in the Sky throughout their history. All of our ancestors did. For some it did bring peace. For others bondage as it was twisted by man himself.BearsWiin said:
My DNA needs to survive, thrive, and reproduce. Cooperation conveys a huge survival advantage, so my self-interested impulses need to be channeled within the larger cooperative context; morality arises from our need to cooperate. "Needing" something bigger than myself is merely a shell program on top of the basic instructions, in order to help me survive in the cooperative social environment and propel my DNA into the future. To my mind, it's waay cooler to understnad that my DNA is the result of 3.5 billion years of trial and error in a changing and usually hostile natural environment, rather than that there's some omnipotent bearded guy in the sky who gives a shit about how many times I've had filthy thoughts about Dana Delany.salemcoog said:
But you need something bigger than yourself... No???BearsWiin said:
We're evolved to be cooperative; it conveys a huge survival advantage, and we do it so much that we don't even think about it most of the time. We don't need Christ in our hearts to act nicely to each other.creepycoug said:
Was Billy a charlatan?BearsWiin said:
We all do. It's what we do in that 1%, when the decisions are hard, when doing the right thing might not be the easy thing, that separate decent people from lousy assholes.salemcoog said:
Why does someone who lived their life genuinely righteous 99% of the time shame you?BearsWiin said:
It's cute that you think this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
The man amassed wealth and influence acting as a purveyor of spiritual snake oil, and he laid the groundwork for others, including his own spawn, to use the religious right as a political force for shitty policy over the last four decades.
I'm crushed.
Btw, Salem isn't even close to 99%. Frankly, none of us are. I'll bet Billy wasn't either.
Look I don't buy the bearded guy story myself. But I feel the creator of the Universe is a thing and the peace that it brings to the created comes in many forms. And to deny that is pretty short sighted imo. While your DNA is the result of evolution, It was indeed created by something. -
It's cute that you think this.BearsWiin said:
My DNA needs to survive, thrive, and reproduce. Cooperation conveys a huge survival advantage, so my self-interested impulses need to be channeled within the larger cooperative context; morality arises from our need to cooperate. "Needing" something bigger than myself is merely a shell program on top of the basic instructions, in order to help me survive in the cooperative social environment and propel my DNA into the future. To my mind, it's waay cooler to understnad that my DNA is the result of 3.5 billion years of trial and error in a changing and usually hostile natural environment, rather than that there's some omnipotent bearded guy in the sky who gives a shit about how many times I've had filthy thoughts about Dana Delany.salemcoog said:
But you need something bigger than yourself... No???BearsWiin said:
We're evolved to be cooperative; it conveys a huge survival advantage, and we do it so much that we don't even think about it most of the time. We don't need Christ in our hearts to act nicely to each other.creepycoug said:
Was Billy a charlatan?BearsWiin said:
We all do. It's what we do in that 1%, when the decisions are hard, when doing the right thing might not be the easy thing, that separate decent people from lousy assholes.salemcoog said:
Why does someone who lived their life genuinely righteous 99% of the time shame you?BearsWiin said:
It's cute that you think this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
The man amassed wealth and influence acting as a purveyor of spiritual snake oil, and he laid the groundwork for others, including his own spawn, to use the religious right as a political force for shitty policy over the last four decades.
I'm crushed.
Btw, Salem isn't even close to 99%. Frankly, none of us are. I'll bet Billy wasn't either.
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So we'll put @salemcoog in the Jeffersonian Deism camp. I can respek that.salemcoog said:
Chinteresting... so natural selection. the tribal collective and opposable thumbs. However your ancestors worshipped something and/or somebody besides the bearded Zeus in the Sky throughout their history. All of our ancestors did. For some it did bring peace. For others bondage as it was twisted by man himself.BearsWiin said:
My DNA needs to survive, thrive, and reproduce. Cooperation conveys a huge survival advantage, so my self-interested impulses need to be channeled within the larger cooperative context; morality arises from our need to cooperate. "Needing" something bigger than myself is merely a shell program on top of the basic instructions, in order to help me survive in the cooperative social environment and propel my DNA into the future. To my mind, it's waay cooler to understnad that my DNA is the result of 3.5 billion years of trial and error in a changing and usually hostile natural environment, rather than that there's some omnipotent bearded guy in the sky who gives a shit about how many times I've had filthy thoughts about Dana Delany.salemcoog said:
But you need something bigger than yourself... No???BearsWiin said:
We're evolved to be cooperative; it conveys a huge survival advantage, and we do it so much that we don't even think about it most of the time. We don't need Christ in our hearts to act nicely to each other.creepycoug said:
Was Billy a charlatan?BearsWiin said:
We all do. It's what we do in that 1%, when the decisions are hard, when doing the right thing might not be the easy thing, that separate decent people from lousy assholes.salemcoog said:
Why does someone who lived their life genuinely righteous 99% of the time shame you?BearsWiin said:
It's cute that you think this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
The man amassed wealth and influence acting as a purveyor of spiritual snake oil, and he laid the groundwork for others, including his own spawn, to use the religious right as a political force for shitty policy over the last four decades.
I'm crushed.
Btw, Salem isn't even close to 99%. Frankly, none of us are. I'll bet Billy wasn't either.
Look I don't buy the bearded guy story myself. But I feel the creator of the Universe is a thing and the peace that it brings to the created comes in many forms. And to deny that is pretty short sighted imo. While your DNA is the result of evolution, It was indeed created by something. -
Your DNA was created by chance with some help from physics and chemistry.
The rest is people being stupid and making up shit so their lives don't seem meaningless.
I deal with it by consuming drugs, alcohol, and rock music. -
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Maybe you should try fishing?dflea said:Your DNA was created by chance with some help from physics and chemistry.
The rest is people being stupid and making up shit so their lives don't seem meaningless.
I deal with it by consuming drugs, alcohol, and rock music.
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Forgot about that one.doogie said:
Maybe you should try fishing?dflea said:Your DNA was created by chance with some help from physics and chemistry.
The rest is people being stupid and making up shit so their lives don't seem meaningless.
I deal with it by consuming drugs, alcohol, and rock music.
Probably because of the drugs. -
As Hitchens used to say, religion is humanity's first attempt to make sense of the larger world, and because it was the first, it was the worst. People who were technologically and organizationally primitive and who didn't know much about how the world works outside of their own limited environment and experiences used their limited abilities of pattern-recognition to conjure up frameworks whereby they could improve their outcomes. Those frameworks were drawn from their own experiences (Indians had their cobra god, Egyptians had Ra and their crocodile god, and the Norse had the Fenris Wolf), and they set about trying to figure out what they could do that would please these deities, so that those deities would give them good fortune. Lo and behold, what works, in terms of social order, is cooperative behavior that had already evolved in us. So they codified their pre-existing cooperative behavior into their sets of social rules, slapped some cool creation myths and stories along with it, and voila, they got religion and all the non-evidentiary dogma that goes with it. As far a the Judeo-Christian framework is concerned, look at any thou shalt not in the Commandments or any deadly sin, and you can make an argument that it's an attempt to promote tribal cooperation and limit discord, which can be detrimental or fatal to the collective. The acts aren't evil or sinful in themselves; they're manifestations of the natural individual desire to act in one's own self-interest. What makes them evil or sinful is the context in which we want to exercise those impulses.salemcoog said:
Chinteresting... so natural selection. the tribal collective and opposable thumbs. However your ancestors worshipped something and/or somebody besides the bearded Zeus in the Sky throughout their history. All of our ancestors did. For some it did bring peace. For others bondage as it was twisted by man himself.BearsWiin said:
My DNA needs to survive, thrive, and reproduce. Cooperation conveys a huge survival advantage, so my self-interested impulses need to be channeled within the larger cooperative context; morality arises from our need to cooperate. "Needing" something bigger than myself is merely a shell program on top of the basic instructions, in order to help me survive in the cooperative social environment and propel my DNA into the future. To my mind, it's waay cooler to understnad that my DNA is the result of 3.5 billion years of trial and error in a changing and usually hostile natural environment, rather than that there's some omnipotent bearded guy in the sky who gives a shit about how many times I've had filthy thoughts about Dana Delany.salemcoog said:
But you need something bigger than yourself... No???BearsWiin said:
We're evolved to be cooperative; it conveys a huge survival advantage, and we do it so much that we don't even think about it most of the time. We don't need Christ in our hearts to act nicely to each other.creepycoug said:
Was Billy a charlatan?BearsWiin said:
We all do. It's what we do in that 1%, when the decisions are hard, when doing the right thing might not be the easy thing, that separate decent people from lousy assholes.salemcoog said:
Why does someone who lived their life genuinely righteous 99% of the time shame you?BearsWiin said:
It's cute that you think this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
The man amassed wealth and influence acting as a purveyor of spiritual snake oil, and he laid the groundwork for others, including his own spawn, to use the religious right as a political force for shitty policy over the last four decades.
I'm crushed.
Btw, Salem isn't even close to 99%. Frankly, none of us are. I'll bet Billy wasn't either.
Look I don't buy the bearded guy story myself. But I feel the creator of the Universe is a thing and the peace that it brings to the created comes in many forms. And to deny that is pretty short sighted imo. While your DNA is the result of evolution, It was indeed created by something. -
Get back to poasting shit that's not obvious.YellowSnow said:
So we'll put @salemcoog in thesalemcoog said:
Chinteresting... so natural selection. the tribal collective and opposable thumbs. However your ancestors worshipped something and/or somebody besides the bearded Zeus in the Sky throughout their history. All of our ancestors did. For some it did bring peace. For others bondage as it was twisted by man himself.BearsWiin said:
My DNA needs to survive, thrive, and reproduce. Cooperation conveys a huge survival advantage, so my self-interested impulses need to be channeled within the larger cooperative context; morality arises from our need to cooperate. "Needing" something bigger than myself is merely a shell program on top of the basic instructions, in order to help me survive in the cooperative social environment and propel my DNA into the future. To my mind, it's waay cooler to understnad that my DNA is the result of 3.5 billion years of trial and error in a changing and usually hostile natural environment, rather than that there's some omnipotent bearded guy in the sky who gives a shit about how many times I've had filthy thoughts about Dana Delany.salemcoog said:
But you need something bigger than yourself... No???BearsWiin said:
We're evolved to be cooperative; it conveys a huge survival advantage, and we do it so much that we don't even think about it most of the time. We don't need Christ in our hearts to act nicely to each other.creepycoug said:
Was Billy a charlatan?BearsWiin said:
We all do. It's what we do in that 1%, when the decisions are hard, when doing the right thing might not be the easy thing, that separate decent people from lousy assholes.salemcoog said:
Why does someone who lived their life genuinely righteous 99% of the time shame you?BearsWiin said:
It's cute that you think this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
The man amassed wealth and influence acting as a purveyor of spiritual snake oil, and he laid the groundwork for others, including his own spawn, to use the religious right as a political force for shitty policy over the last four decades.
I'm crushed.
Btw, Salem isn't even close to 99%. Frankly, none of us are. I'll bet Billy wasn't either.
Look I don't buy the bearded guy story myself. But I feel the creator of the Universe is a thing and the peace that it brings to the created comes in many forms. And to deny that is pretty short sighted imo. While your DNA is the result of evolution, It was indeed created by something.Jeffersonian Deismretard camp. I can respek that.
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For now. I'm working on something.RaceBannon said:Christians can vote and be politically active even if @BearsWiin disagrees.
What a great country -
Serious question creep... er I mean Huck, Why did you not carry your Cougfan handle over here?creepycoug said:
Get back to poasting shit that's not obvious.YellowSnow said:
So we'll put @salemcoog in thesalemcoog said:
Chinteresting... so natural selection. the tribal collective and opposable thumbs. However your ancestors worshipped something and/or somebody besides the bearded Zeus in the Sky throughout their history. All of our ancestors did. For some it did bring peace. For others bondage as it was twisted by man himself.BearsWiin said:
My DNA needs to survive, thrive, and reproduce. Cooperation conveys a huge survival advantage, so my self-interested impulses need to be channeled within the larger cooperative context; morality arises from our need to cooperate. "Needing" something bigger than myself is merely a shell program on top of the basic instructions, in order to help me survive in the cooperative social environment and propel my DNA into the future. To my mind, it's waay cooler to understnad that my DNA is the result of 3.5 billion years of trial and error in a changing and usually hostile natural environment, rather than that there's some omnipotent bearded guy in the sky who gives a shit about how many times I've had filthy thoughts about Dana Delany.salemcoog said:
But you need something bigger than yourself... No???BearsWiin said:
We're evolved to be cooperative; it conveys a huge survival advantage, and we do it so much that we don't even think about it most of the time. We don't need Christ in our hearts to act nicely to each other.creepycoug said:
Was Billy a charlatan?BearsWiin said:
We all do. It's what we do in that 1%, when the decisions are hard, when doing the right thing might not be the easy thing, that separate decent people from lousy assholes.salemcoog said:
Why does someone who lived their life genuinely righteous 99% of the time shame you?BearsWiin said:
It's cute that you think this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
The man amassed wealth and influence acting as a purveyor of spiritual snake oil, and he laid the groundwork for others, including his own spawn, to use the religious right as a political force for shitty policy over the last four decades.
I'm crushed.
Btw, Salem isn't even close to 99%. Frankly, none of us are. I'll bet Billy wasn't either.
Look I don't buy the bearded guy story myself. But I feel the creator of the Universe is a thing and the peace that it brings to the created comes in many forms. And to deny that is pretty short sighted imo. While your DNA is the result of evolution, It was indeed created by something.Jeffersonian Deismretard camp. I can respek that.
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Serious answer: what's "Cougfan"? Does he poast here?salemcoog said:
Serious question creep... Why did you not carry your Cougfan handle over here?creepycoug said:
Get back to poasting shit that's not obvious.YellowSnow said:
So we'll put @salemcoog in thesalemcoog said:
Chinteresting... so natural selection. the tribal collective and opposable thumbs. However your ancestors worshipped something and/or somebody besides the bearded Zeus in the Sky throughout their history. All of our ancestors did. For some it did bring peace. For others bondage as it was twisted by man himself.BearsWiin said:
My DNA needs to survive, thrive, and reproduce. Cooperation conveys a huge survival advantage, so my self-interested impulses need to be channeled within the larger cooperative context; morality arises from our need to cooperate. "Needing" something bigger than myself is merely a shell program on top of the basic instructions, in order to help me survive in the cooperative social environment and propel my DNA into the future. To my mind, it's waay cooler to understnad that my DNA is the result of 3.5 billion years of trial and error in a changing and usually hostile natural environment, rather than that there's some omnipotent bearded guy in the sky who gives a shit about how many times I've had filthy thoughts about Dana Delany.salemcoog said:
But you need something bigger than yourself... No???BearsWiin said:
We're evolved to be cooperative; it conveys a huge survival advantage, and we do it so much that we don't even think about it most of the time. We don't need Christ in our hearts to act nicely to each other.creepycoug said:
Was Billy a charlatan?BearsWiin said:
We all do. It's what we do in that 1%, when the decisions are hard, when doing the right thing might not be the easy thing, that separate decent people from lousy assholes.salemcoog said:
Why does someone who lived their life genuinely righteous 99% of the time shame you?BearsWiin said:
It's cute that you think this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
The man amassed wealth and influence acting as a purveyor of spiritual snake oil, and he laid the groundwork for others, including his own spawn, to use the religious right as a political force for shitty policy over the last four decades.
I'm crushed.
Btw, Salem isn't even close to 99%. Frankly, none of us are. I'll bet Billy wasn't either.
Look I don't buy the bearded guy story myself. But I feel the creator of the Universe is a thing and the peace that it brings to the created comes in many forms. And to deny that is pretty short sighted imo. While your DNA is the result of evolution, It was indeed created by something.Jeffersonian Deismretard camp. I can respek that. -
My in-laws are pretty devout Christians, but they separate their flying spaghetti monsterism from their politics. It's not that hard to have evidence and reason inform your politics, instead of superstition and tradition.RaceBannon said:Christians can vote and be politically active even if @BearsWiin disagrees.
What a great country -
Hitchens is one of my favorite atheists along with @allpurpleallgold .BearsWiin said:
As Hitchens used to say, religion is humanity's first attempt to make sense of the larger world, and because it was the first, it was the worst. People who were technologically and organizationally primitive and who didn't know much about how the world works outside of their own limited environment and experiences used their limited abilities of pattern-recognition to conjure up frameworks whereby they could improve their outcomes. Those frameworks were drawn from their own experiences (Indians had their cobra god, Egyptians had Ra and their crocodile god, and the Norse had the Fenris Wolf), and they set about trying to figure out what they could do that would please these deities, so that those deities would give them good fortune. Lo and behold, what works, in terms of social order, is cooperative behavior that had already evolved in us. So they codified their pre-existing cooperative behavior into their sets of social rules, slapped some cool creation myths and stories along with it, and voila, they got religion and all the non-evidentiary dogma that goes with it. As far a the Judeo-Christian framework is concerned, look at any thou shalt not in the Commandments or any deadly sin, and you can make an argument that it's an attempt to promote tribal cooperation and limit discord, which can be detrimental or fatal to the collective. The acts aren't evil or sinful in themselves; they're manifestations of the natural individual desire to act in one's own self-interest. What makes them evil or sinful is the context in which we want to exercise those impulses.salemcoog said:
Chinteresting... so natural selection. the tribal collective and opposable thumbs. However your ancestors worshipped something and/or somebody besides the bearded Zeus in the Sky throughout their history. All of our ancestors did. For some it did bring peace. For others bondage as it was twisted by man himself.BearsWiin said:
My DNA needs to survive, thrive, and reproduce. Cooperation conveys a huge survival advantage, so my self-interested impulses need to be channeled within the larger cooperative context; morality arises from our need to cooperate. "Needing" something bigger than myself is merely a shell program on top of the basic instructions, in order to help me survive in the cooperative social environment and propel my DNA into the future. To my mind, it's waay cooler to understnad that my DNA is the result of 3.5 billion years of trial and error in a changing and usually hostile natural environment, rather than that there's some omnipotent bearded guy in the sky who gives a shit about how many times I've had filthy thoughts about Dana Delany.salemcoog said:
But you need something bigger than yourself... No???BearsWiin said:
We're evolved to be cooperative; it conveys a huge survival advantage, and we do it so much that we don't even think about it most of the time. We don't need Christ in our hearts to act nicely to each other.creepycoug said:
Was Billy a charlatan?BearsWiin said:
We all do. It's what we do in that 1%, when the decisions are hard, when doing the right thing might not be the easy thing, that separate decent people from lousy assholes.salemcoog said:
Why does someone who lived their life genuinely righteous 99% of the time shame you?BearsWiin said:
It's cute that you think this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
The man amassed wealth and influence acting as a purveyor of spiritual snake oil, and he laid the groundwork for others, including his own spawn, to use the religious right as a political force for shitty policy over the last four decades.
I'm crushed.
Btw, Salem isn't even close to 99%. Frankly, none of us are. I'll bet Billy wasn't either.
Look I don't buy the bearded guy story myself. But I feel the creator of the Universe is a thing and the peace that it brings to the created comes in many forms. And to deny that is pretty short sighted imo. While your DNA is the result of evolution, It was indeed created by something.
Hitchens didn't get all faggy when it came to Islam. He ripped all religions not just the ones that were approved to hate.
And he was smart. I really enjoyed his appearances on the Dennis Miller HBO show with drink in hand.
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Look Mrs. Snow is from Salem and one of the greatest sports ballers that town ever produced. Out of respect for the Salemites, I have to abstain from your Crusade against Salem Kewg and let you Kewgs sort it out amongst yourselves.creepycoug said:
Get back to poasting shit that's not obvious.YellowSnow said:
So we'll put @salemcoog in thesalemcoog said:
Chinteresting... so natural selection. the tribal collective and opposable thumbs. However your ancestors worshipped something and/or somebody besides the bearded Zeus in the Sky throughout their history. All of our ancestors did. For some it did bring peace. For others bondage as it was twisted by man himself.BearsWiin said:
My DNA needs to survive, thrive, and reproduce. Cooperation conveys a huge survival advantage, so my self-interested impulses need to be channeled within the larger cooperative context; morality arises from our need to cooperate. "Needing" something bigger than myself is merely a shell program on top of the basic instructions, in order to help me survive in the cooperative social environment and propel my DNA into the future. To my mind, it's waay cooler to understnad that my DNA is the result of 3.5 billion years of trial and error in a changing and usually hostile natural environment, rather than that there's some omnipotent bearded guy in the sky who gives a shit about how many times I've had filthy thoughts about Dana Delany.salemcoog said:
But you need something bigger than yourself... No???BearsWiin said:
We're evolved to be cooperative; it conveys a huge survival advantage, and we do it so much that we don't even think about it most of the time. We don't need Christ in our hearts to act nicely to each other.creepycoug said:
Was Billy a charlatan?BearsWiin said:
We all do. It's what we do in that 1%, when the decisions are hard, when doing the right thing might not be the easy thing, that separate decent people from lousy assholes.salemcoog said:
Why does someone who lived their life genuinely righteous 99% of the time shame you?BearsWiin said:
It's cute that you think this.YellowSnow said:I respected that Graham, at least, tried to maintain an a-political stance as opposed to being completely in the bag for the right- e.g., like Jerry Falwell.
The man amassed wealth and influence acting as a purveyor of spiritual snake oil, and he laid the groundwork for others, including his own spawn, to use the religious right as a political force for shitty policy over the last four decades.
I'm crushed.
Btw, Salem isn't even close to 99%. Frankly, none of us are. I'll bet Billy wasn't either.
Look I don't buy the bearded guy story myself. But I feel the creator of the Universe is a thing and the peace that it brings to the created comes in many forms. And to deny that is pretty short sighted imo. While your DNA is the result of evolution, It was indeed created by something.Jeffersonian Deismretard camp. I can respek that.
