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Justin Flowe - 4* 2020 LB - Upland (HS), CA - (Offered 1/29/18)

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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,998 Founders Club

    whuggy said:

    I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.

    Swaye said:

    whuggy said:

    I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.

    I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.
    Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.

    It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.









    And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
    In Race's defense, you have to take context into consideration:

    > Washington thinks it's the king of the North. So naturally, all else being equal, a kid will pick Washington just because Washington.

    > Washington had the best coach in the Pac 12. Oregon has had two shit coaches in a row since Kelley and a new guy named Meat who is an overrated recruiter (because Bama recruits itself) with no proven track record.

    > Washington has been stable since 2015, won the conference multiple tims and has been to NY6 bowls, while Oregon has been a shit show, going 4-8 just 5 minutes ago.


    Against THAT backdrop, yes, Oregon has kicked Washington's ass. Said another way, what will this look like if it turns out Meat can coach and Oregon wins a little more?

    We've gone from the manic high of 2016 where "order has been restored to the universe" ( a doog talking point since 1994) to the spectre of two straight losses and the ducks with another league title, which as you know, I value a lot. Its the only thing we can control. Win and you're the king

    And they are reeling in the kids. I don't think that ever stopped as much as some folks but still

    But now its not can Meat coach its can Jimmy get it done?
  • whuggywhuggy Member Posts: 2,088

    right now Oregon's class is pretty light aside from the two 5 stars. I wouldn't call their class as a whole anything special.

    Well they are still in play for Manning, Ringo and probably Yary. Close 2 of those 3 and thats a probable top 10 class.
  • whuggywhuggy Member Posts: 2,088

    whuggy said:

    I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.

    Swaye said:

    whuggy said:

    I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.

    I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.
    Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.

    It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.









    And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
    In Race's defense, you have to take context into consideration:

    > Washington thinks it's the king of the North. So naturally, all else being equal, a kid will pick Washington just because Washington.

    > Washington had the best coach in the Pac 12. Oregon has had two shit coaches in a row since Kelley and a new guy named Meat who is an overrated recruiter (because Bama recruits itself) with no proven track record.

    > Washington has been stable since 2015, won the conference multiple tims and has been to NY6 bowls, while Oregon has been a shit show, going 4-8 just 5 minutes ago.


    Against THAT backdrop, yes, Oregon has kicked Washington's ass. Said another way, what will this look like if it turns out Meat can coach and Oregon wins a little more?

    The other side of that which you better believe is on the table is that there is now a role reversal. UW got recruited against Jimmy Lake possibly leaving. Now that switches to Mario and Miami/Bama.
  • DoogCouricsDoogCourics Member Posts: 5,739
    whuggy said:

    whuggy said:

    I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.

    Swaye said:

    whuggy said:

    I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.

    I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.
    Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.

    It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.









    And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
    That's why I used the words "slightly better". It's not just about raw numbers which are totally open to anyone's perception since they are numbers created by so called experts. It's like Neighbor says the national narrative is that Oregon is knocking it out of the park while UW largely flies under the radar. That narrative or perception, whether true or not, has a lot of value in future recruiting. That is why I'm gonna stick with the words "slightly better".
    My poast wasn’t directed at you, your poast just happened to spark my train of thought around the overall perception.
  • ntxduckntxduck Member Posts: 5,728

    right now Oregon's class is pretty light aside from the two 5 stars. I wouldn't call their class as a whole anything special.

    Posts from December 2018
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,257
    whuggy said:

    whuggy said:

    I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.

    Swaye said:

    whuggy said:

    I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.

    I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.
    Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.

    It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.









    And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
    In Race's defense, you have to take context into consideration:

    > Washington thinks it's the king of the North. So naturally, all else being equal, a kid will pick Washington just because Washington.

    > Washington had the best coach in the Pac 12. Oregon has had two shit coaches in a row since Kelley and a new guy named Meat who is an overrated recruiter (because Bama recruits itself) with no proven track record.

    > Washington has been stable since 2015, won the conference multiple tims and has been to NY6 bowls, while Oregon has been a shit show, going 4-8 just 5 minutes ago.


    Against THAT backdrop, yes, Oregon has kicked Washington's ass. Said another way, what will this look like if it turns out Meat can coach and Oregon wins a little more?

    The other side of that which you better believe is on the table is that there is now a role reversal. UW got recruited against Jimmy Lake possibly leaving. Now that switches to Mario and Miami/Bama.
    Bama? I'm not sure I'd want someone stupid enuff to believe that, even by teen boy football standards. Miami? Eh, I joke about it, but is that really going to happen?

    And that's a lot of Jimmy. I'm not sure the rest of the world was as enamored with him as this crowd has been.

    We shall see what he's made of now. But I don't think this or that coach leaving is a huge recruiting issue. Maybe it is; I don't know. I just know that it's a good problem to have.
  • whuggywhuggy Member Posts: 2,088

    whuggy said:

    whuggy said:

    I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.

    Swaye said:

    whuggy said:

    I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.

    I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.
    Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.

    It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.









    And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
    In Race's defense, you have to take context into consideration:

    > Washington thinks it's the king of the North. So naturally, all else being equal, a kid will pick Washington just because Washington.

    > Washington had the best coach in the Pac 12. Oregon has had two shit coaches in a row since Kelley and a new guy named Meat who is an overrated recruiter (because Bama recruits itself) with no proven track record.

    > Washington has been stable since 2015, won the conference multiple tims and has been to NY6 bowls, while Oregon has been a shit show, going 4-8 just 5 minutes ago.


    Against THAT backdrop, yes, Oregon has kicked Washington's ass. Said another way, what will this look like if it turns out Meat can coach and Oregon wins a little more?

    The other side of that which you better believe is on the table is that there is now a role reversal. UW got recruited against Jimmy Lake possibly leaving. Now that switches to Mario and Miami/Bama.
    Bama? I'm not sure I'd want someone stupid enuff to believe that, even by teen boy football standards. Miami? Eh, I joke about it, but is that really going to happen?

    And that's a lot of Jimmy. I'm not sure the rest of the world was as enamored with him as this crowd has been.

    We shall see what he's made of now. But I don't think this or that coach leaving is a huge recruiting issue. Maybe it is; I don't know. I just know that it's a good problem to have.
    Diaz hanging on by a thread. Saban ain't got much longer. Whether Mario is a candidate or not doesn't matter. Other teams will now use it to recruit against him. Tables are turned.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,257
    edited December 2019
    whuggy said:

    whuggy said:

    whuggy said:

    I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.

    Swaye said:

    whuggy said:

    I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.

    I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.
    Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.

    It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.









    And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
    In Race's defense, you have to take context into consideration:

    > Washington thinks it's the king of the North. So naturally, all else being equal, a kid will pick Washington just because Washington.

    > Washington had the best coach in the Pac 12. Oregon has had two shit coaches in a row since Kelley and a new guy named Meat who is an overrated recruiter (because Bama recruits itself) with no proven track record.

    > Washington has been stable since 2015, won the conference multiple tims and has been to NY6 bowls, while Oregon has been a shit show, going 4-8 just 5 minutes ago.


    Against THAT backdrop, yes, Oregon has kicked Washington's ass. Said another way, what will this look like if it turns out Meat can coach and Oregon wins a little more?

    The other side of that which you better believe is on the table is that there is now a role reversal. UW got recruited against Jimmy Lake possibly leaving. Now that switches to Mario and Miami/Bama.
    Bama? I'm not sure I'd want someone stupid enuff to believe that, even by teen boy football standards. Miami? Eh, I joke about it, but is that really going to happen?

    And that's a lot of Jimmy. I'm not sure the rest of the world was as enamored with him as this crowd has been.

    We shall see what he's made of now. But I don't think this or that coach leaving is a huge recruiting issue. Maybe it is; I don't know. I just know that it's a good problem to have.
    Diaz hanging on by a thread. Saban ain't got much longer. Whether Mario is a candidate or not doesn't matter. Other teams will now use it to recruit against him. Tables are turned.
    I get the sense that you think this is a bigger deal than it really is. Let's just quit pulling each other's dicks on these marginal issues and get to the fucking heart of the matter: Washington has had all the momentum over Oregon as a program with every conceivable advantage the last several years, and despite that Oregon is, at worst, going toe to toe with Washington in recruiting. But now you want to hyper-focus on one potential narrative out of an entire sea of bullshit that gets regularly said during all recruiting processes?

    Ok! Sounds scary for Oregon. Bottom line is really fucking simple, yet eludes doogs: Cristobal can simply recruit like a mother fucker. Period. Everybody outside of doogville knew that before he showed up. He did it at Miami, he did it at Rutgers and he did it at Bama. But now that Oregon can't scare recruits into thinking that Washington's "meh" one-season D coordinator who had a nice run with DBs isn't leaving, it's game on! Lolz. I don't think "Jimmy's leaving" is the secret sauce, but what do I know?
  • Rumor is Oregon race agin to land Flowe. If anyone deserves to get screwed, it's Johnny Nansen.

    race agin?

    Also, any truth that Ringo might have actually signed with Oregon?
  • HuskyClawsHuskyClaws Member Posts: 1,170

    Rumor is Oregon race agin to land Flowe.

    Huh?
  • sonics1993sonics1993 Member Posts: 1,460

    Rumor is Oregon race agin to land Flowe.

    Huh?
    Sorry I fixed it, hate using mobile since it's so hard for me to type.
  • whuggywhuggy Member Posts: 2,088

    Rumor is Oregon brought up race again to land Flowe. If anyone deserves to get screwed, it's Johnny Nansen.

    Rumor is Oregon race agin to land Flowe. If anyone deserves to get screwed, it's Johnny Nansen.

    race agin?

    Also, any truth that Ringo might have actually signed with Oregon?
    Yeah there's this perception in LA right now that Nansen favors poly linebackers for playing time and heard Oregon ran with that perception and used it to close. It also doesn't help that Flowe didn't have a great relationship with Nansen but man does Oregon will saying anything to get a recruit. I guess that what makes Mario a great closer. As far as Ringo, I have no clue.
    It's fairly clear as to why the other coaches voted the way they did in the Pac 12 awards. Mario will say anything, including the race card, to pull players. It's not jealousy, it's hatred of the guy. He learned his lessons well down South.
  • whuggywhuggy Member Posts: 2,088

    whuggy said:

    whuggy said:

    whuggy said:

    I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.

    Swaye said:

    whuggy said:

    I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.

    I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.
    Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.

    It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.









    And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
    In Race's defense, you have to take context into consideration:

    > Washington thinks it's the king of the North. So naturally, all else being equal, a kid will pick Washington just because Washington.

    > Washington had the best coach in the Pac 12. Oregon has had two shit coaches in a row since Kelley and a new guy named Meat who is an overrated recruiter (because Bama recruits itself) with no proven track record.

    > Washington has been stable since 2015, won the conference multiple tims and has been to NY6 bowls, while Oregon has been a shit show, going 4-8 just 5 minutes ago.


    Against THAT backdrop, yes, Oregon has kicked Washington's ass. Said another way, what will this look like if it turns out Meat can coach and Oregon wins a little more?

    The other side of that which you better believe is on the table is that there is now a role reversal. UW got recruited against Jimmy Lake possibly leaving. Now that switches to Mario and Miami/Bama.
    Bama? I'm not sure I'd want someone stupid enuff to believe that, even by teen boy football standards. Miami? Eh, I joke about it, but is that really going to happen?

    And that's a lot of Jimmy. I'm not sure the rest of the world was as enamored with him as this crowd has been.

    We shall see what he's made of now. But I don't think this or that coach leaving is a huge recruiting issue. Maybe it is; I don't know. I just know that it's a good problem to have.
    Diaz hanging on by a thread. Saban ain't got much longer. Whether Mario is a candidate or not doesn't matter. Other teams will now use it to recruit against him. Tables are turned.
    I get the sense that you think this is a bigger deal than it really is. Let's just quit pulling each other's dicks on these marginal issues and get to the fucking heart of the matter: Washington has had all the momentum over Oregon as a program with every conceivable advantage the last several years, and despite that Oregon is, at worst, going toe to toe with Washington in recruiting. But now you want to hyper-focus on one potential narrative out of an entire sea of bullshit that gets regularly said during all recruiting processes?

    Ok! Sounds scary for Oregon. Bottom line is really fucking simple, yet eludes doogs: Cristobal can simply recruit like a mother fucker. Period. Everybody outside of doogville knew that before he showed up. He did it at Miami, he did it at Rutgers and he did it at Bama. But now that Oregon can't scare recruits into thinking that Washington's "meh" one-season D coordinator who had a nice run with DBs isn't leaving, it's game on! Lolz. I don't think "Jimmy's leaving" is the secret sauce, but what do I know?
    Everything matters. Big or little. Mario can recruit. No doubt. The guy's willing to play any card. That's why the other conference coaches hate him. Just saying the Jimmy leaving card is out of the deck now and the race card that has been played is also gone. Neither one of us can predict the future as to the effect other than he's gonna have to work a little harder to negatively recruit UW now. I think we can probably agree on that.
  • PandaOrangeChiknDuckPandaOrangeChiknDuck Member Posts: 545
    edited December 2019
    whuggy said:

    whuggy said:

    whuggy said:

    whuggy said:

    I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.

    Swaye said:

    whuggy said:

    I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.

    I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.
    Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.

    It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.









    And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
    In Race's defense, you have to take context into consideration:

    > Washington thinks it's the king of the North. So naturally, all else being equal, a kid will pick Washington just because Washington.

    > Washington had the best coach in the Pac 12. Oregon has had two shit coaches in a row since Kelley and a new guy named Meat who is an overrated recruiter (because Bama recruits itself) with no proven track record.

    > Washington has been stable since 2015, won the conference multiple tims and has been to NY6 bowls, while Oregon has been a shit show, going 4-8 just 5 minutes ago.


    Against THAT backdrop, yes, Oregon has kicked Washington's ass. Said another way, what will this look like if it turns out Meat can coach and Oregon wins a little more?

    The other side of that which you better believe is on the table is that there is now a role reversal. UW got recruited against Jimmy Lake possibly leaving. Now that switches to Mario and Miami/Bama.
    Bama? I'm not sure I'd want someone stupid enuff to believe that, even by teen boy football standards. Miami? Eh, I joke about it, but is that really going to happen?

    And that's a lot of Jimmy. I'm not sure the rest of the world was as enamored with him as this crowd has been.

    We shall see what he's made of now. But I don't think this or that coach leaving is a huge recruiting issue. Maybe it is; I don't know. I just know that it's a good problem to have.
    Diaz hanging on by a thread. Saban ain't got much longer. Whether Mario is a candidate or not doesn't matter. Other teams will now use it to recruit against him. Tables are turned.
    I get the sense that you think this is a bigger deal than it really is. Let's just quit pulling each other's dicks on these marginal issues and get to the fucking heart of the matter: Washington has had all the momentum over Oregon as a program with every conceivable advantage the last several years, and despite that Oregon is, at worst, going toe to toe with Washington in recruiting. But now you want to hyper-focus on one potential narrative out of an entire sea of bullshit that gets regularly said during all recruiting processes?

    Ok! Sounds scary for Oregon. Bottom line is really fucking simple, yet eludes doogs: Cristobal can simply recruit like a mother fucker. Period. Everybody outside of doogville knew that before he showed up. He did it at Miami, he did it at Rutgers and he did it at Bama. But now that Oregon can't scare recruits into thinking that Washington's "meh" one-season D coordinator who had a nice run with DBs isn't leaving, it's game on! Lolz. I don't think "Jimmy's leaving" is the secret sauce, but what do I know?
    Everything matters. Big or little. Mario can recruit. No doubt. The guy's willing to play any card. That's why the other conference coaches hate him. Just saying the Jimmy leaving card is out of the deck now and the race card that has been played is also gone. Neither one of us can predict the future as to the effect other than he's gonna have to work a little harder to negatively recruit UW now. I think we can probably agree on that.
    These dirty tactics are very coming in other major conferences. The Pac 12 will have to adjust. There's winning the right way, and just flat out winning. Everybody wants to win the right way, but people will settle for just flat out winning.
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