Kelee is fucking good, but I think our chances with him are less than 20%.
Lake isn't Lambo - Kwat is Lambo. Or - to be fair to Kwat, Kwat is Solich, prolly - but you get my point.
Lake wants to be a HC and he should. I just don't want him to be a HC at USC or Oregon.
The reality is, USC makes a lot of sense for him...
I'm just hoping they cock up the hire and get Jeff Fisher or Jack Del Rio.
Being a HC is mostly about being a CEO. I don't have close enough knowledge to evaluate whether Jimmy is a good CEO or not. He's a fucking great position coach (though pretty much everyone looks like a great position coach under Pete) and he's a really good recruiter.
I'm not afraid of Cristobal's recruiting machine, though. Teams that recruit amazing are annoying because they can randomly whip your ass when they have a 'good game' (see us vs. USC 2016), but generally guys who are 'great recruiters' end up like Sark and Kiff did at USC... "you brought in all this talent, why are you getting beat by the 7th place team in the conference?!?!"
See - I don't JUST care about recruiting.
We aren't getting Kelee unless Sav'ell commits early and dedicates his life to recruiting him.
Kelee is fucking good, but I think our chances with him are less than 20%.
Lake isn't Lambo - Kwat is Lambo. Or - to be fair to Kwat, Kwat is Solich, prolly - but you get my point.
Lake wants to be a HC and he should. I just don't want him to be a HC at USC or Oregon.
The reality is, USC makes a lot of sense for him...
I'm just hoping they cock up the hire and get Jeff Fisher or Jack Del Rio.
Being a HC is mostly about being a CEO. I don't have close enough knowledge to evaluate whether Jimmy is a good CEO or not. He's a fucking great position coach (though pretty much everyone looks like a great position coach under Pete) and he's a really good recruiter.
I'm not afraid of Cristobal's recruiting machine, though. Teams that recruit amazing are annoying because they can randomly whip your ass when they have a 'good game' (see us vs. USC 2016), but generally guys who are 'great recruiters' end up like Sark and Kiff did at USC... "you brought in all this talent, why are you getting beat by the 7th place team in the conference?!?!"
See - I don't JUST care about recruiting.
We aren't getting Kelee unless Sav'ell commits early and dedicates his life to recruiting him.
what an interesting and quick way to kill my morning boner
Kelee is fucking good, but I think our chances with him are less than 20%.
Lake isn't Lambo - Kwat is Lambo. Or - to be fair to Kwat, Kwat is Solich, prolly - but you get my point.
Lake wants to be a HC and he should. I just don't want him to be a HC at USC or Oregon.
The reality is, USC makes a lot of sense for him...
I'm just hoping they cock up the hire and get Jeff Fisher or Jack Del Rio.
Being a HC is mostly about being a CEO. I don't have close enough knowledge to evaluate whether Jimmy is a good CEO or not. He's a fucking great position coach (though pretty much everyone looks like a great position coach under Pete) and he's a really good recruiter.
I'm not afraid of Cristobal's recruiting machine, though. Teams that recruit amazing are annoying because they can randomly whip your ass when they have a 'good game' (see us vs. USC 2016), but generally guys who are 'great recruiters' end up like Sark and Kiff did at USC... "you brought in all this talent, why are you getting beat by the 7th place team in the conference?!?!"
See - I don't JUST care about recruiting.
We aren't getting Kelee unless Sav'ell commits early and dedicates his life to recruiting him.
what an interesting and quick way to kill my morning boner
The only way we get him is if Sav'ell makes it his mission and somehow we can convince his mom that UW is going to be good for her kid.
I really hope we see Byron and Taylor go 1-2 for DBs, it would definitely help.
He's come up to fsp to train and bond more than a few times on his own dime (well, not sure how that was arranged but that's none of my business)
He genuinely seems to understand that it makes sense to be around the fsp/UW universe.
I would hope that mom can see the long game.
The wildcard is having the nfl-ready narrative of Jimmy lake.
If Murphy and Rapp (and the others) kill it at the combine and draft and the likes of budda/shaq/king/smfj are tweeting and reaching out to croots then this will make it blood pressure raising for coker and ddy.
Combine with idea of Huard slinging it against them in practice (even though he's a '21 kid) and iron sharpens iron.
Then of course when Kyle Ford and bru mccoy transfer portals to UW after their first year then all the better. Right? Right?!
He's come up to fsp to train and bond more than a few times on his own dime (well, not sure how that was arranged but that's none of my business)
He genuinely seems to understand that it makes sense to be around the fsp/UW universe.
I would hope that mom can see the long game.
The wildcard is having the nfl-ready narrative of Jimmy lake.
If Murphy and Rapp (and the others) kill it at the combine and draft and the likes of budda/shaq/king/smfj are tweeting and reaching out to croots then this will make it blood pressure raising for coker and ddy.
Combine with idea of Huard slinging it against them in practice (even though he's a '21 kid) and iron sharpens iron.
Then of course when Kyle Ford and bru mccoy transfer portals to UW after their first year then all the better. Right? Right?!
Kelee is fucking good, but I think our chances with him are less than 20%.
Lake isn't Lambo - Kwat is Lambo. Or - to be fair to Kwat, Kwat is Solich, prolly - but you get my point.
Lake wants to be a HC and he should. I just don't want him to be a HC at USC or Oregon.
The reality is, USC makes a lot of sense for him...
I'm just hoping they cock up the hire and get Jeff Fisher or Jack Del Rio.
Being a HC is mostly about being a CEO. I don't have close enough knowledge to evaluate whether Jimmy is a good CEO or not. He's a fucking great position coach (though pretty much everyone looks like a great position coach under Pete) and he's a really good recruiter.
I'm not afraid of Cristobal's recruiting machine, though. Teams that recruit amazing are annoying because they can randomly whip your ass when they have a 'good game' (see us vs. USC 2016), but generally guys who are 'great recruiters' end up like Sark and Kiff did at USC... "you brought in all this talent, why are you getting beat by the 7th place team in the conference?!?!"
See - I don't JUST care about recruiting.
We aren't getting Kelee unless Sav'ell commits early and dedicates his life to recruiting him.
what an interesting and quick way to kill my morning boner
The only way we get him is if Sav'ell makes it his mission and somehow we can convince his mom that UW is going to be good for her kid.
I really hope we see Byron and Taylor go 1-2 for DBs, it would definitely help.
They're not going 1-2. Byron has what, maybe a 40% shot of being the first? He's probably the favorite but you almost always have to take the field, it's not like he's seen as some can't miss, top 5 DB type. I think Rapp makes it into the first round but I don't think it's likely he makes it all the way to the #2 DB.
Kelee is fucking good, but I think our chances with him are less than 20%.
Lake isn't Lambo - Kwat is Lambo. Or - to be fair to Kwat, Kwat is Solich, prolly - but you get my point.
Lake wants to be a HC and he should. I just don't want him to be a HC at USC or Oregon.
The reality is, USC makes a lot of sense for him...
I'm just hoping they cock up the hire and get Jeff Fisher or Jack Del Rio.
Being a HC is mostly about being a CEO. I don't have close enough knowledge to evaluate whether Jimmy is a good CEO or not. He's a fucking great position coach (though pretty much everyone looks like a great position coach under Pete) and he's a really good recruiter.
I'm not afraid of Cristobal's recruiting machine, though. Teams that recruit amazing are annoying because they can randomly whip your ass when they have a 'good game' (see us vs. USC 2016), but generally guys who are 'great recruiters' end up like Sark and Kiff did at USC... "you brought in all this talent, why are you getting beat by the 7th place team in the conference?!?!"
See - I don't JUST care about recruiting.
We aren't getting Kelee unless Sav'ell commits early and dedicates his life to recruiting him.
what an interesting and quick way to kill my morning boner
The only way we get him is if Sav'ell makes it his mission and somehow we can convince his mom that UW is going to be good for her kid.
I really hope we see Byron and Taylor go 1-2 for DBs, it would definitely help.
They're not going 1-2. Byron has what, maybe a 40% shot of being the first? He's probably the favorite but you almost always have to take the field, it's not like he's seen as some can't miss, top 5 DB type. I think Rapp makes it into the first round but I don't think it's likely he makes it all the way to the #2 DB.
If we need them going 1-2 to get Kelee, #HeGone.
Would it help? Yes it would. Do we need it to land him? No we don't.
Help ≠ Necessary.
You're welcome.
We got fucked on Kelee because his mom doesn't give 2 shits about UW. Our branding sins are palpable in recruiting 5-stars.
We need a couple kids like Sav'ell—who are truly program changers—to take the onus on them to show out for UW and WWa. And then we need our marketing department and program to amplify that.
don't forget that Rapp will kill it at the combine and then when the GMs interview him and give him the Wunderlich test he'll ace the math questions... Rapp might go #1 overall.
Kelee is fucking good, but I think our chances with him are less than 20%.
Lake isn't Lambo - Kwat is Lambo. Or - to be fair to Kwat, Kwat is Solich, prolly - but you get my point.
Lake wants to be a HC and he should. I just don't want him to be a HC at USC or Oregon.
The reality is, USC makes a lot of sense for him...
I'm just hoping they cock up the hire and get Jeff Fisher or Jack Del Rio.
Being a HC is mostly about being a CEO. I don't have close enough knowledge to evaluate whether Jimmy is a good CEO or not. He's a fucking great position coach (though pretty much everyone looks like a great position coach under Pete) and he's a really good recruiter.
I'm not afraid of Cristobal's recruiting machine, though. Teams that recruit amazing are annoying because they can randomly whip your ass when they have a 'good game' (see us vs. USC 2016), but generally guys who are 'great recruiters' end up like Sark and Kiff did at USC... "you brought in all this talent, why are you getting beat by the 7th place team in the conference?!?!"
See - I don't JUST care about recruiting.
We aren't getting Kelee unless Sav'ell commits early and dedicates his life to recruiting him.
what an interesting and quick way to kill my morning boner
The only way we get him is if Sav'ell makes it his mission and somehow we can convince his mom that UW is going to be good for her kid.
I really hope we see Byron and Taylor go 1-2 for DBs, it would definitely help.
They're not going 1-2. Byron has what, maybe a 40% shot of being the first? He's probably the favorite but you almost always have to take the field, it's not like he's seen as some can't miss, top 5 DB type. I think Rapp makes it into the first round but I don't think it's likely he makes it all the way to the #2 DB.
If we need them going 1-2 to get Kelee, #HeGone.
Byron will be the first DB taken. Take screenshots if you want to. The only thing he's got against him is that the NFL sees him as a mostly zone corner, but he's the best DB in the class and it's not even close.
Greedy can't play the run. Baker is an average athlete. Deionte Thompson is hurt and played like shit vs. Clemson. Abram is overrated AF. Ya-Sin and JJ Williams are good but they're not going that high.
The only guy I could see maybe go over Byron is Nasir Adderley, but he's a small-school player and a safety so that's a long shot.
I follow the draft and I'm rarely a homer about these types things and I'd still be fucking shocked if Byron isn't the first DB taken.
Kelee is fucking good, but I think our chances with him are less than 20%.
Lake isn't Lambo - Kwat is Lambo. Or - to be fair to Kwat, Kwat is Solich, prolly - but you get my point.
Lake wants to be a HC and he should. I just don't want him to be a HC at USC or Oregon.
The reality is, USC makes a lot of sense for him...
I'm just hoping they cock up the hire and get Jeff Fisher or Jack Del Rio.
Being a HC is mostly about being a CEO. I don't have close enough knowledge to evaluate whether Jimmy is a good CEO or not. He's a fucking great position coach (though pretty much everyone looks like a great position coach under Pete) and he's a really good recruiter.
I'm not afraid of Cristobal's recruiting machine, though. Teams that recruit amazing are annoying because they can randomly whip your ass when they have a 'good game' (see us vs. USC 2016), but generally guys who are 'great recruiters' end up like Sark and Kiff did at USC... "you brought in all this talent, why are you getting beat by the 7th place team in the conference?!?!"
See - I don't JUST care about recruiting.
We aren't getting Kelee unless Sav'ell commits early and dedicates his life to recruiting him.
what an interesting and quick way to kill my morning boner
The only way we get him is if Sav'ell makes it his mission and somehow we can convince his mom that UW is going to be good for her kid.
I really hope we see Byron and Taylor go 1-2 for DBs, it would definitely help.
They're not going 1-2. Byron has what, maybe a 40% shot of being the first? He's probably the favorite but you almost always have to take the field, it's not like he's seen as some can't miss, top 5 DB type. I think Rapp makes it into the first round but I don't think it's likely he makes it all the way to the #2 DB.
If we need them going 1-2 to get Kelee, #HeGone.
Byron will be the first DB taken. Take screenshots if you want to. The only thing he's got against him is that the NFL sees him as a mostly zone corner, but he's the best DB in the class and it's not even close.
Greedy can't play the run. Baker is an average athlete. Deionte Thompson is hurt and played like shit vs. Clemson. Abram is overrated AF. Ya-Sin and JJ Williams are good but they're not going that high.
The only guy I could see maybe go over Byron is Nasir Adderley, but he's a small-school player and a safety so that's a long shot.
I follow the draft and I'm rarely a homer about these types things and I'd still be fucking shocked if Byron isn't the first DB taken.
Assuming his numbers show good, not great, he should be the first corner
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From a $$$ standpoint Lake has been priced out of anything that isn’t s P5 job
Due to geography, he’s probably not as realistic of a hire in some conferences vs others
Bottom tier P5 jobs may not be viewed as overly attractive as there is a ton of risk in them and the pay often isn’t anything special
High end P5 jobs (not named Washington) will likely pursue higher caliber/experienced candidates ... while Lake at SC could be really good ... the odds are that SC would never take the leap with him and prefer someone in their family because that’s what they do
So by my count there are probably only a handful of jobs that are realistic and a number of them have just been filled in the last year or two
At this point, Lake would have to be the favorite to be the next HC at Washington ... now whether that % is over 20-25% is a completely different question
SC ain’t hiring Lake ... goes against their DNA
Lake leaving as a HC would hurt us ... if he stays then we are the favorite but not sure enough of one at this point to combat the field
The last 25 years, SC HCs with previous ties to the program failed—miserably. Carrol, the outsider, delivered different results
John Robinson — Trojan ties
Hackett — Trojan ties
Pete Carrol — Outsider
Laney Kirin — Trojan ties
Sark — Trojan ties
Clay Helton —Trojan ties
The Robinson victory lap and Hackett the Hack: tired, old coaches. Carroll: energetic and defensive minded. 7 consecutive top 5 finishes, including two consecutive Natties. Kiffin: Charmin soft. Offense > Defense. Terminated on the Tarmac. Sark: a Drunk leading an undisplined team. Clay Helton: Fortnighter; awful recruiter. SC— where 5-stars go to die.
SC will look for an outsider. Dynamic. Defensive minded. A successful recruiter, preferably with west coast ties. Discipline. Proven talent developer. A younger Pete Carrol without the baggage. Stable.
Connect the dots...
Then again, it’s SC, meaning theyll hire another HC with Trojan ties and continue losing
Jimmy is never leaving and he'll be the head coach after Petersen.
This is the doogliest of takes but fuck anyone here that's not fulldoogpraying for this on some level.
Nah I don't want another Lambo. Hire the career assistant almost never works. Let him leave in a couple years, learn what he's doing for a few years then come back in 2028 or so as an established coach to take back over.
I love Lake as much as anyone but I want a proven HC after Petersen, not a guy who never even built his own defense. Lake has a lot to prove before we hand him the keys.
To clarify *promote* the career assistant almost never works.
You can probably through Riley in there as well if he ever figures out defense.
To be honest though...most every coaching hire doesn't work. There are only a few elite coaches, and everyone else is cycling through potentials every 3-7 years (average tenure is something like 3.8 years) in hopes of hitting one. I don't know that one method is any more likely to hit than another, but I do think Jimmy has more potential to be a great head coach over most of the younger coaches out on the West Coast (Harsin, Wells, Wilcox)...and if keeping him on staff as the assistant/eventual assistant HC guarantees we get him over the others as the next guy 8 or so years down the road I'm good with that.
Dabo and Riley aren't examples of career assistants.
Dabo was an assistant for 15 years when he took over Clemson. Riley was an assistant for 13 years. They were risers who moved up fairly quickly (Riley more than Dabo) and got their opportunity within a decade and a half.
Let's say Grundle is right and Pete only has five more years left (I think he has more than that). That means we are hiring a new HC for the 2024 season. Lake would have 25 years of experience as an assistant by that point, which puts him even with Lambright when he took over UW. Most likely by the time Pete leave Lake would have been an assistant for longer than Lambo before ascending to the HC role.
The general rule is if a guy isn't good enough to be given an HC job in their first 25 years they probably aren't good enough.
I think Lake would be much better than Lambo for a couple of reasons - he's more of a players coach, his recruiting is top notch, and he hasn't spent his entire career at one school. There's some reason to think that he could work. I'd be much more optimistic if he went somewhere else as HC first though.
This is so fucking stupid.
1. Everybody is an assistant before they're a head coach you moron. Being an assistant coach longer doesn't make you a worse head coaching candidate. More experience is better. He's also been turning down head coaching opportunities. Does turning down head coaching jobs now mean he's gonna be a worse head coach later? No.
2. Jimmy is not Lambo. They are two completely different people and coaches. There is no correlation between them. That's a bullshit comparison. Why even bring up Lambo's name if you think "Jimmy would be a much better head coach"? It's pointless.
3. If Jimmy were to leave to be a head coach elsewhere he's gonna kill it. He's a great coach and great recruiter. The chances of him being a bad head coach are minuscule. What the fuck makes you think he's automatically gonna be a lock to come back to be our head coach post-Petersen if he's already busted his ass to make some other program nationally relevant again? You think Dabo is a lock to go back to Bama when Saban finally retires? I don't. I think he's found his own place that he loves and can say he built himself and can obviously have a dynasty of his own there so there's no reason to leave. If Jimmy is USC's head coach in 2020 and builds them back to national title contenders, he ain't coming back.
4. How many other head coaching candidates would have a complete and total understanding of what has been built at UW by Petersen, the OKG/Built for Life process, and be able to replicate it? You really want to roll the dice on some other coach who's possibly gonna fuck all that up just because Jimmy might not have head coaching experience when Petersen retires?
5. Same thing goes for the rest of the coaching staff, some of which want to be here for the rest of their careers. You wanna get rid of Malloe and his baller ass Poly recruiting and coaching, Coach K and his defensive mind, Huff and his recruiting and coaching? If Jimmy's the next head coach, those guys stay here and the good times keep rolling. Or you bring in a new head coach who wants his own staff, most if not all of our assistants go to join Jimmy's staff at USC or wherever he is and it's a colossal fuck up because if that new head coach isn't a home run hire (which isn't likely), UW is then getting beat by their old coaching staff, a staff they should still have, and back to mediocrity we go.
I'm not into rolling the dice on some outsider and cleaning house when you could just have a guy lined up who is 99% likely to be a great head coach and would keep the staff together and the winning culture intact. Jimmy is a fucking winner. All he does is win. He should be made associate head coach and given another raise and his next contract with UW should guarantee him the head coaching job post-Petersen. That's what a great AD would do. We got a special thing going here people. It cannot be torn down and fucked up post-Petersen! Jimmy will be our next head coach. That is going to happen. I trust Jen will get it done.
From a $$$ standpoint Lake has been priced out of anything that isn’t s P5 job
Due to geography, he’s probably not as realistic of a hire in some conferences vs others
Bottom tier P5 jobs may not be viewed as overly attractive as there is a ton of risk in them and the pay often isn’t anything special
High end P5 jobs (not named Washington) will likely pursue higher caliber/experienced candidates ... while Lake at SC could be really good ... the odds are that SC would never take the leap with him and prefer someone in their family because that’s what they do
So by my count there are probably only a handful of jobs that are realistic and a number of them have just been filled in the last year or two
At this point, Lake would have to be the favorite to be the next HC at Washington ... now whether that % is over 20-25% is a completely different question
SC ain’t hiring Lake ... goes against their DNA
Lake leaving as a HC would hurt us ... if he stays then we are the favorite but not sure enough of one at this point to combat the field
The last 25 years, SC HCs with previous ties to the program failed—miserably. Carrol, the outsider, delivered different results
John Robinson — Trojan ties
Hackett — Trojan ties
Pete Carrol — Outsider
Laney Kirin — Trojan ties
Sark — Trojan ties
Clay Helton —Trojan ties
The Robinson victory lap and Hackett the Hack: tired, old coaches. Carroll: energetic and defensive minded. 7 consecutive top 5 finishes, including two consecutive Natties. Kiffin: Charmin soft. Offense > Defense. Terminated on the Tarmac. Sark: a Drunk leading an undisplined team. Clay Helton: Fortnighter; awful recruiter. SC— where 5-stars go to die.
SC will look for an outsider. Dynamic. Defensive minded. A successful recruiter, preferably with west coast ties. Discipline. Proven talent developer. A younger Pete Carrol without the baggage. Stable.
Connect the dots...
Then again, it’s SC, meaning theyll hire another HC with Trojan ties and continue losing
I think the boosters are going to be sick of losing and go for a sure thing and get the fuck out of the way. I think they will throw a ton of money at a proven coach. Would be shocked if they hired an asst. but it is sc and they could definitely mess it up.
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Lake isn't Lambo - Kwat is Lambo. Or - to be fair to Kwat, Kwat is Solich, prolly - but you get my point.
Lake wants to be a HC and he should. I just don't want him to be a HC at USC or Oregon.
The reality is, USC makes a lot of sense for him...
I'm just hoping they cock up the hire and get Jeff Fisher or Jack Del Rio.
Being a HC is mostly about being a CEO. I don't have close enough knowledge to evaluate whether Jimmy is a good CEO or not. He's a fucking great position coach (though pretty much everyone looks like a great position coach under Pete) and he's a really good recruiter.
I'm not afraid of Cristobal's recruiting machine, though. Teams that recruit amazing are annoying because they can randomly whip your ass when they have a 'good game' (see us vs. USC 2016), but generally guys who are 'great recruiters' end up like Sark and Kiff did at USC... "you brought in all this talent, why are you getting beat by the 7th place team in the conference?!?!"
See - I don't JUST care about recruiting.
We aren't getting Kelee unless Sav'ell commits early and dedicates his life to recruiting him.
what an interesting and quick way to kill my morning boner
I really hope we see Byron and Taylor go 1-2 for DBs, it would definitely help.
He's come up to fsp to train and bond more than a few times on his own dime (well, not sure how that was arranged but that's none of my business)
He genuinely seems to understand that it makes sense to be around the fsp/UW universe.
I would hope that mom can see the long game.
The wildcard is having the nfl-ready narrative of Jimmy lake.
If Murphy and Rapp (and the others) kill it at the combine and draft and the likes of budda/shaq/king/smfj are tweeting and reaching out to croots then this will make it blood pressure raising for coker and ddy.
Combine with idea of Huard slinging it against them in practice (even though he's a '21 kid) and iron sharpens iron.
Then of course when Kyle Ford and bru mccoy transfer portals to UW after their first year then all the better. Right? Right?!
If we need them going 1-2 to get Kelee, #HeGone.
Help ≠ Necessary.
You're welcome.
We got fucked on Kelee because his mom doesn't give 2 shits about UW. Our branding sins are palpable in recruiting 5-stars.
We need a couple kids like Sav'ell—who are truly program changers—to take the onus on them to show out for UW and WWa. And then we need our marketing department and program to amplify that.
So, we will probably go ofer.
:::suicide:::
Lake leaving as a HC would hurt us ... if he stays then we are the favorite but not sure enough of one at this point to combat the field
Greedy can't play the run. Baker is an average athlete. Deionte Thompson is hurt and played like shit vs. Clemson. Abram is overrated AF. Ya-Sin and JJ Williams are good but they're not going that high.
The only guy I could see maybe go over Byron is Nasir Adderley, but he's a small-school player and a safety so that's a long shot.
I follow the draft and I'm rarely a homer about these types things and I'd still be fucking shocked if Byron isn't the first DB taken.
Edited so I don’t pop up now.
- John Robinson — Trojan ties
- Hackett — Trojan ties
- Pete Carrol — Outsider
- Laney Kirin — Trojan ties
- Sark — Trojan ties
- Clay Helton —Trojan ties
The Robinson victory lap and Hackett the Hack: tired, old coaches. Carroll: energetic and defensive minded. 7 consecutive top 5 finishes, including two consecutive Natties. Kiffin: Charmin soft. Offense > Defense. Terminated on the Tarmac. Sark: a Drunk leading an undisplined team. Clay Helton: Fortnighter; awful recruiter. SC— where 5-stars go to die.SC will look for an outsider. Dynamic. Defensive minded. A successful recruiter, preferably with west coast ties. Discipline. Proven talent developer. A younger Pete Carrol without the baggage. Stable.
Connect the dots...
Then again, it’s SC, meaning theyll hire another HC with Trojan ties and continue losing