Goddamn. 400+ yards. If he was using an AR, I'm surprised the 5.56 rounds still had enough juice to kill at that range.
Going off memory, the effective range of the 55-grain FMJ 5.56mm round is about 500 meters. Muzzle velocity of about 3000fps, and small cross-section means that air drag doesn't slow it down too quickly. Obviously hard to hit a single target at 500 meters without a serious scope, but easy to hit something, anything, when firing indiscriminately into a crowd.
TM for the M4 states that maximum effective range for area targets is 600 meters. This guy had elevation and certainly an easy target to aim at, just surprised he hit so many.
Goddamn. 400+ yards. If he was using an AR, I'm surprised the 5.56 rounds still had enough juice to kill at that range.
Going off memory, the effective range of the 55-grain FMJ 5.56mm round is about 500 meters. Muzzle velocity of about 3000fps, and small cross-section means that air drag doesn't slow it down too quickly. Obviously hard to hit a single target at 500 meters without a serious scope, but easy to hit something, anything, when firing indiscriminately into a crowd.
TM for the M4 states that maximum effective range for area targets is 600 meters. This guy had elevation and certainly an easy target to aim at, just surprised he hit so many.
You can download the Strelok or Applied Ballistics app and know your drop in thirty seconds. Every range finder has an angle arc compensator in it now out to 800 yards.
One click of the button for range, another click for holdover. It's really that simple. There wasn't much wind so you're only talking maybe a half an MOA of drift.
Goddamn. 400+ yards. If he was using an AR, I'm surprised the 5.56 rounds still had enough juice to kill at that range.
Going off memory, the effective range of the 55-grain FMJ 5.56mm round is about 500 meters. Muzzle velocity of about 3000fps, and small cross-section means that air drag doesn't slow it down too quickly. Obviously hard to hit a single target at 500 meters without a serious scope, but easy to hit something, anything, when firing indiscriminately into a crowd.
TM for the M4 states that maximum effective range for area targets is 600 meters. This guy had elevation and certainly an easy target to aim at, just surprised he hit so many.
You can download the Strelok or Applied Ballistics app and know your drop in thirty seconds. Every range finder has an angle arc compensator in it now out to 800 yards.
One click of the button for range, another click for holdover. It's really that simple. There wasn't much wind so you're only talking maybe a half an MOA of drift.
It's hard to fail at shooting these days.
well fuck me with my iron sights and Kentucky windage, huh?
If I had my druthers, we'd be closer to Great Britain- i.e., Shotguns and Hunting Rifles only - and to own any fireman, you have to have a doc certify that you aren't nuts. That said, this isn't realistic in the US, but the idealist in me would like to see something like a complete semi automatic rifle (maybe semi shot guns too) ban; and extremely intrusive regs on handgun ownership + limits on magazine capacity- i.e., if you want to own a piece you have to go through the ringer. Obviously with something like this you're talking about a massive buy back program. Moving on to illegally owned guns - significant jail time/fines if you break the rules. Alas, this is all a pipe dream so feel free to WTF all you want.
The gun control regimes that work best are none (e.g., Japan) or extremely restrictive (e.g., UK) BUT we could be doing a hell of a lot better than we are now. 10 rifles in a Las Vegas hotel room is not a well regulated militia guaranteeing our liberty.
Goddamn. 400+ yards. If he was using an AR, I'm surprised the 5.56 rounds still had enough juice to kill at that range.
Going off memory, the effective range of the 55-grain FMJ 5.56mm round is about 500 meters. Muzzle velocity of about 3000fps, and small cross-section means that air drag doesn't slow it down too quickly. Obviously hard to hit a single target at 500 meters without a serious scope, but easy to hit something, anything, when firing indiscriminately into a crowd.
TM for the M4 states that maximum effective range for area targets is 600 meters. This guy had elevation and certainly an easy target to aim at, just surprised he hit so many.
You can download the Strelok or Applied Ballistics app and know your drop in thirty seconds. Every range finder has an angle arc compensator in it now out to 800 yards.
One click of the button for range, another click for holdover. It's really that simple. There wasn't much wind so you're only talking maybe a half an MOA of drift.
It's hard to fail at shooting these days.
well fuck me with my iron sights and Kentucky windage, huh?
Well that's fine for shooting deer out to 150 yards.
How about this - every gun be registered and licensed and have transactions tracked with title registered with the state, you know, like cars.
And then have everyone who wants to own and fire a gun take a gun safety course and submit an affidavit or a doctor's certification that he isn't crazy or extremely depressed. A prescription for Prozac is fine, a prescription for Lithium would be disqualifying. And then give them a license. You know, like cars.
And yeah, magazine capacity and fire capacity of weapons should probably be looked at.
But really, I think the onus needs to fall on our 2nd Amendment enthusiasts. You like guns? Cool!
Tell us how to make them reasonably safe and protect the general public, and you can keep them!
ISIS claims credit for everything. It's one of the traits they share with the President.
And we'll wait to see about "illegal weapon." An AR-15 is super easy to mod to make automatic. And a shooter that is even slightly trained can achieve a rate of fire that is as fast as the "burst" setting on the military version, the M-4.
Also, who knows about whether gun registration and licensing would have been effective or not. Registration, licensing, and safety laws have dramatically lowered the death rate for cars since 1960. I think we should try to do the same with guns.
But really, I think the onus is on everyone who thinks that the current non-system of firearms regulation is good should tell the rest of us how we can stop having mass shootings all the fucking time.
Shooter was 64 year old white guy. As usual.i knew it wasn't Muslims because he actually hit his targets. Also, his name was "Steven Paddock." Not really Mooslumy. Maybe a recent convert, but more likely a pissed off old white and rich guy.
I am just wondering what the motivator was at this point...recent muslim convert as old white guy? Racist? Anti NWO nut job? Antifa loser who wanted to kill rednecks at a country concert? Pissed off gay guy who hates Trump? Pissed off Trump supporter who hates gays? Or maybe just some mentally deranged lunatic who didn't have a cause but wanted to kill people?
Country music is mostly conservatives. It'll be interesting to see what the motive is.
I am just wondering what the motivator was at this point...recent muslim convert as old white guy? Racist? Anti NWO nut job? Antifa loser who wanted to kill rednecks at a country concert? Pissed off gay guy who hates Trump? Pissed off Trump supporter who hates gays? Or maybe just some mentally deranged lunatic who didn't have a cause but wanted to kill people?
Country music is mostly conservatives. It'll be interesting to see what the motive is.
GOP softball teams are mostly conservative too so what's your point
ISIS claims credit for everything. It's one of the traits they share with the President.
And we'll wait to see about "illegal weapon." An AR-15 is super easy to mod to make automatic. And a shooter that is even slightly trained can achieve a rate of fire that is as fast as the "burst" setting on the military version, the M-4.
Also, who knows about whether gun registration and licensing would have been effective or not. Registration, licensing, and safety laws have dramatically lowered the death rate for cars since 1960. I think we should try to do the same with guns.
But really, I think the onus is on everyone who thinks that the current non-system of firearms regulation is good should tell the rest of us how we can stop having mass shootings all the fucking time.
It's doable, the evidence is out there.
I see you still don't know anything about firearms or the laws pertaining to them.
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One click of the button for range, another click for holdover. It's really that simple. There wasn't much wind so you're only talking maybe a half an MOA of drift.
It's hard to fail at shooting these days.
The gun control regimes that work best are none (e.g., Japan) or extremely restrictive (e.g., UK) BUT we could be doing a hell of a lot better than we are now. 10 rifles in a Las Vegas hotel room is not a well regulated militia guaranteeing our liberty.
And then have everyone who wants to own and fire a gun take a gun safety course and submit an affidavit or a doctor's certification that he isn't crazy or extremely depressed. A prescription for Prozac is fine, a prescription for Lithium would be disqualifying. And then give them a license. You know, like cars.
And yeah, magazine capacity and fire capacity of weapons should probably be looked at.
But really, I think the onus needs to fall on our 2nd Amendment enthusiasts. You like guns? Cool!
Tell us how to make them reasonably safe and protect the general public, and you can keep them!
Not a single additional gun law would have done shit.
And we'll wait to see about "illegal weapon." An AR-15 is super easy to mod to make automatic. And a shooter that is even slightly trained can achieve a rate of fire that is as fast as the "burst" setting on the military version, the M-4.
Also, who knows about whether gun registration and licensing would have been effective or not. Registration, licensing, and safety laws have dramatically lowered the death rate for cars since 1960. I think we should try to do the same with guns.
But really, I think the onus is on everyone who thinks that the current non-system of firearms regulation is good should tell the rest of us how we can stop having mass shootings all the fucking time.
It's doable, the evidence is out there.
what is the "they" and what is the "that," and what is "the point"?
There is no definite subject or object in either of your sentences.
You could list a specific gun law that would have been in place on Friday that would have prevented this shooting