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Vegas terror attack
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Seems legit.PineapplePirate said:"A young woman told a local NBC affiliate that another young woman told a group of people in the concert they were going to “die tonight” before supposedly being escorted from the conference roughly 45 minutes before the shooting happened."
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It's possible he had them legally, either by license or more likely, he could have fitted the gun(s) with bump fire stock(s), which are completely legal. These are inexpensive stocks that float, using recoil to allow for very rapid semi-automatic fire, nearly as rapid as fully automatic rifles fire. If you listen to the video footage, the rate of fire seems to vary quite a bit. This would be consistent with a semi-automatic rifle being fired with a bump fire stock.PineapplePirate said:No gun laws would have stopped this as he obviously had illegal automatic weapons. Curious to see how the media spins it. I hate when they make political statements out of dead people. They will blame someone or something.
But who knows, maybe he illegally modified the rifles or bought fully automatic weapons illegally. Really doesn't matter now, the fucker killed and maimed a lot of people. Apparently the sick fuck had at least ten rifles in his room, and he killed himself before before being shot or apprehended. Total coward. No doubt this was an act of terrorism. There is no other way to accurately describe it. Only question is whether it was domestic or foreign in nature.
@Swaye, excellent poast on both the gun control and abortion issues. Spot on, reasonableness in politics is gone. -
The big question... is Mark Wahlberg going to star in the film?
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By all chindications, it's domestic. The shooter was a 64 year old white guy from Mesquite, NV.Southerndawg said:
It's possible he had them legally, either by license or more likely, he could have fitted the gun(s) with bump fire stock(s), which are completely legal. These are inexpensive stocks that float, using recoil to allow for very rapid semi-automatic fire, nearly as rapid as fully automatic rifles fire. If you listen to the video footage, the rate of fire seems to vary quite a bit. This would be consistent with a semi-automatic rifle being fired with a bump fire stock.PineapplePirate said:No gun laws would have stopped this as he obviously had illegal automatic weapons. Curious to see how the media spins it. I hate when they make political statements out of dead people. They will blame someone or something.
But who knows, maybe he illegally modified the rifles or bought fully automatic weapons illegally. Really doesn't matter now, the fucker killed and maimed a lot of people. Apparently the sick fuck had at least ten rifles in his room, and he killed himself before before being shot or apprehended. Total coward. No doubt this was an act of terrorism. There is no other way to accurately describe it. Only question is whether it was domestic or foreign in nature.
@Swaye, excellent poast on both the gun control and abortion issues. Spot on, reasonableness in politics is gone. -
Agree, it's not likely he was a last minute convert to the religion of peace making a pact with the ISIS AIDS. Card carrying AntiFa member seems a strong runner up, given the crowd he chose to take aim at. Or he could be another Bernie supporter shooting at "Republicans" on the field. Most likely he was just straight up whack job, which in this case is redundant abundance.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
By all chindications, it's domestic. The shooter was a 64 year old white guy from Mesquite, NV.Southerndawg said:
It's possible he had them legally, either by license or more likely, he could have fitted the gun(s) with bump fire stock(s), which are completely legal. These are inexpensive stocks that float, using recoil to allow for very rapid semi-automatic fire, nearly as rapid as fully automatic rifles fire. If you listen to the video footage, the rate of fire seems to vary quite a bit. This would be consistent with a semi-automatic rifle being fired with a bump fire stock.PineapplePirate said:No gun laws would have stopped this as he obviously had illegal automatic weapons. Curious to see how the media spins it. I hate when they make political statements out of dead people. They will blame someone or something.
But who knows, maybe he illegally modified the rifles or bought fully automatic weapons illegally. Really doesn't matter now, the fucker killed and maimed a lot of people. Apparently the sick fuck had at least ten rifles in his room, and he killed himself before before being shot or apprehended. Total coward. No doubt this was an act of terrorism. There is no other way to accurately describe it. Only question is whether it was domestic or foreign in nature.
@Swaye, excellent poast on both the gun control and abortion issues. Spot on, reasonableness in politics is gone. -
There are 300 million guns in house holds in the U.S.
I am not sure what more regulations is going to do to solve mass shootings.
Unfortunately, they will continue.
I just hope we don't find out Race or Damone is Mr. Paddock. Two Angry old white men. -
The silence of @MikeDamone speaks volumes.jecornel said:There are 300 million guns in house holds in the U.S.
I am not sure what more regulations is going to do to solve mass shootings.
Unfortunately, they will continue.
I just hope we don't find out Race or Damone is Mr. Paddock. Two Angry old white men. -
They would expose us all and wouldn't see our humor, take every poast at face value and then shut this site down. All of us would have internet privlages revoked and we would be sued by all political parties, milennials, and by starving Africans in Bolivia.jecornel said:There are 300 million guns in house holds in the U.S.
I am not sure what more regulations is going to do to solve mass shootings.
Unfortunately, they will continue.
I just hope we don't find out Race or Damone is Mr. Paddock. Two Angry old white men. -
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@oregonblitzkrieg Also, I think that angry white guys are still on top of the league table for terrorism since 9/11.
http://time.com/3934980/right-wing-extremists-white-terrorism-islamist-jihadi-dangerous/
Obviously 9/11 was the black swan event.
EDIT: looks like Orlando put jihadists back in the top slot, but I think Vegas is going to give the edge back to the angry white guys.
https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/terrorism-in-america/what-threat-united-states-today/
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The scariest thing to me is that I think no matter what we do legally/politically, we probably can't prevent some psycho from getting his hands on an AR and shooting up a crowd like this. People fucking suck.
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Goddamn. 400+ yards. If he was using an AR, I'm surprised the 5.56 rounds still had enough juice to kill at that range. -
None of the largest shootings this year have been Muslim. There's a lot of shootings that go unnoticed by the media, like the one in Wisconsin last year.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Maybe, but you can't deny most terrorism ends up being Islamic in nature.AZDuck said:Blue moons are getting pretty common these days
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doesn't mean we shouldn't tryNEsnake12 said:The scariest thing to me is that I think no matter what we do legally/politically, we probably can't prevent some psycho from getting his hands on an AR and shooting up a crowd like this. People fucking suck.
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Why does it have to be a liberal out a Muslim? So you think conservatives aren't fucked up too? There's no fucked up Christians?Southerndawg said:
Agree, it's not likely he was a last minute convert to the religion of peace making a pact with the ISIS AIDS. Card carrying AntiFa member seems a strong runner up, given the crowd he chose to take aim at. Or he could be another Bernie supporter shooting at "Republicans" on the field. Most likely he was just straight up whack job, which in this case is redundant abundance.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
By all chindications, it's domestic. The shooter was a 64 year old white guy from Mesquite, NV.Southerndawg said:
It's possible he had them legally, either by license or more likely, he could have fitted the gun(s) with bump fire stock(s), which are completely legal. These are inexpensive stocks that float, using recoil to allow for very rapid semi-automatic fire, nearly as rapid as fully automatic rifles fire. If you listen to the video footage, the rate of fire seems to vary quite a bit. This would be consistent with a semi-automatic rifle being fired with a bump fire stock.PineapplePirate said:No gun laws would have stopped this as he obviously had illegal automatic weapons. Curious to see how the media spins it. I hate when they make political statements out of dead people. They will blame someone or something.
But who knows, maybe he illegally modified the rifles or bought fully automatic weapons illegally. Really doesn't matter now, the fucker killed and maimed a lot of people. Apparently the sick fuck had at least ten rifles in his room, and he killed himself before before being shot or apprehended. Total coward. No doubt this was an act of terrorism. There is no other way to accurately describe it. Only question is whether it was domestic or foreign in nature.
@Swaye, excellent poast on both the gun control and abortion issues. Spot on, reasonableness in politics is gone.
For fucks sakes. How about we all agree on one thing. There's fucking wackos in every party and religion. -
What a difference easy access to firearms makes:
Terrorist piece of shit uses a knife outside main station in Marseille - kills two girls and is shot dead by cops.
And then there's Vegas.
Damn right I'm politicizing this. After fucking Newtown I believe the onus is on people who advocate for the protection of their 2d Amendment rights to come up with a system that enables us to have firearms without tens and hundreds of innocents getting blasted every few months.
We regulate other dangerous instrumentalities - alcohol, tobacco, cars to minimize the danger they pose to society at large.
So, gun rights advocates - how do we make them reasonably safe? -
Going off memory, the effective range of the 55-grain FMJ 5.56mm round is about 500 meters. Muzzle velocity of about 3000fps, and small cross-section means that air drag doesn't slow it down too quickly. Obviously hard to hit a single target at 500 meters without a serious scope, but easy to hit something, anything, when firing indiscriminately into a crowd.AZDuck said:
Goddamn. 400+ yards. If he was using an AR, I'm surprised the 5.56 rounds still had enough juice to kill at that range. -
FWIW, we already do regulate firearms. We just don't regulate them the way we should. I decided in the early 1990s that I couldn't give money to the NRA after LaPierre and Co. went from advocating responsible gun ownership to resisting any kind of reasonable regulations.AZDuck said:What a difference easy access to firearms makes:
Terrorist piece of shit uses a knife outside main station in Marseille - kills two girls and is shot dead by cops.
And then there's Vegas.
Damn right I'm politicizing this. After fucking Newtown I believe the onus is on people who advocate for the protection of their 2d Amendment rights to come up with a system that enables us to have firearms without tens and hundreds of innocents getting blasted every few months.
We regulate other dangerous instrumentalities - alcohol, tobacco, cars to minimize the danger they pose to society at large.
So, gun rights advocates - how do we make them reasonably safe? -
wrong forumTierbsHsotBoobs said:
The silence of @MikeDamone speaks volumes.jecornel said:There are 300 million guns in house holds in the U.S.
I am not sure what more regulations is going to do to solve mass shootings.
Unfortunately, they will continue.
I just hope we don't find out Race or Damone is Mr. Paddock. Two Angry old white men. -
I used to be way into distance shooting and built my own targets and used MJU-7 flare box tops (3/4" solid pine) on the inside to stop/slow down my rounds because I would be shooting in the open desert/forest.BearsWiin said:
Going off memory, the effective range of the 55-grain FMJ 5.56mm round is about 500 meters. Muzzle velocity of about 3000fps, and small cross-section means that air drag doesn't slow it down too quickly. Obviously hard to hit a single target at 500 meters without a serious scope, but easy to hit something, anything, when firing indiscriminately into a crowd.AZDuck said:
Goddamn. 400+ yards. If he was using an AR, I'm surprised the 5.56 rounds still had enough juice to kill at that range.
A 55 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip out of a .223 at 400 yards would normally stop in the sixth board. An FMJ would would probably clear two or three more. A 165gr Speer Boat tail at 800 yards out of a .308 would go through 12 tops like butter. We could only get the angle right once, but my Lapua with a 300gr Berger Tactical cleared 25 tops at a mile. That's an insanely impressive weapon.
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TM for the M4 states that maximum effective range for area targets is 600 meters. This guy had elevation and certainly an easy target to aim at, just surprised he hit so many.BearsWiin said:
Going off memory, the effective range of the 55-grain FMJ 5.56mm round is about 500 meters. Muzzle velocity of about 3000fps, and small cross-section means that air drag doesn't slow it down too quickly. Obviously hard to hit a single target at 500 meters without a serious scope, but easy to hit something, anything, when firing indiscriminately into a crowd.AZDuck said:
Goddamn. 400+ yards. If he was using an AR, I'm surprised the 5.56 rounds still had enough juice to kill at that range. -
You can download the Strelok or Applied Ballistics app and know your drop in thirty seconds. Every range finder has an angle arc compensator in it now out to 800 yards.AZDuck said:
TM for the M4 states that maximum effective range for area targets is 600 meters. This guy had elevation and certainly an easy target to aim at, just surprised he hit so many.BearsWiin said:
Going off memory, the effective range of the 55-grain FMJ 5.56mm round is about 500 meters. Muzzle velocity of about 3000fps, and small cross-section means that air drag doesn't slow it down too quickly. Obviously hard to hit a single target at 500 meters without a serious scope, but easy to hit something, anything, when firing indiscriminately into a crowd.AZDuck said:
Goddamn. 400+ yards. If he was using an AR, I'm surprised the 5.56 rounds still had enough juice to kill at that range.
One click of the button for range, another click for holdover. It's really that simple. There wasn't much wind so you're only talking maybe a half an MOA of drift.
It's hard to fail at shooting these days. -
Hondo''s president out blaming the NRA this morning
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well fuck me with my iron sights and Kentucky windage, huh?Mosster47 said:
You can download the Strelok or Applied Ballistics app and know your drop in thirty seconds. Every range finder has an angle arc compensator in it now out to 800 yards.AZDuck said:
TM for the M4 states that maximum effective range for area targets is 600 meters. This guy had elevation and certainly an easy target to aim at, just surprised he hit so many.BearsWiin said:
Going off memory, the effective range of the 55-grain FMJ 5.56mm round is about 500 meters. Muzzle velocity of about 3000fps, and small cross-section means that air drag doesn't slow it down too quickly. Obviously hard to hit a single target at 500 meters without a serious scope, but easy to hit something, anything, when firing indiscriminately into a crowd.AZDuck said:
Goddamn. 400+ yards. If he was using an AR, I'm surprised the 5.56 rounds still had enough juice to kill at that range.
One click of the button for range, another click for holdover. It's really that simple. There wasn't much wind so you're only talking maybe a half an MOA of drift.
It's hard to fail at shooting these days. -
If I had my druthers, we'd be closer to Great Britain- i.e., Shotguns and Hunting Rifles only - and to own any fireman, you have to have a doc certify that you aren't nuts. That said, this isn't realistic in the US, but the idealist in me would like to see something like a complete semi automatic rifle (maybe semi shot guns too) ban; and extremely intrusive regs on handgun ownership + limits on magazine capacity- i.e., if you want to own a piece you have to go through the ringer. Obviously with something like this you're talking about a massive buy back program. Moving on to illegally owned guns - significant jail time/fines if you break the rules. Alas, this is all a pipe dream so feel free to WTF all you want.
The gun control regimes that work best are none (e.g., Japan) or extremely restrictive (e.g., UK) BUT we could be doing a hell of a lot better than we are now. 10 rifles in a Las Vegas hotel room is not a well regulated militia guaranteeing our liberty. -
Well that's fine for shooting deer out to 150 yards.AZDuck said:
well fuck me with my iron sights and Kentucky windage, huh?Mosster47 said:
You can download the Strelok or Applied Ballistics app and know your drop in thirty seconds. Every range finder has an angle arc compensator in it now out to 800 yards.AZDuck said:
TM for the M4 states that maximum effective range for area targets is 600 meters. This guy had elevation and certainly an easy target to aim at, just surprised he hit so many.BearsWiin said:
Going off memory, the effective range of the 55-grain FMJ 5.56mm round is about 500 meters. Muzzle velocity of about 3000fps, and small cross-section means that air drag doesn't slow it down too quickly. Obviously hard to hit a single target at 500 meters without a serious scope, but easy to hit something, anything, when firing indiscriminately into a crowd.AZDuck said:
Goddamn. 400+ yards. If he was using an AR, I'm surprised the 5.56 rounds still had enough juice to kill at that range.
One click of the button for range, another click for holdover. It's really that simple. There wasn't much wind so you're only talking maybe a half an MOA of drift.
It's hard to fail at shooting these days. -
How about this - every gun be registered and licensed and have transactions tracked with title registered with the state, you know, like cars.
And then have everyone who wants to own and fire a gun take a gun safety course and submit an affidavit or a doctor's certification that he isn't crazy or extremely depressed. A prescription for Prozac is fine, a prescription for Lithium would be disqualifying. And then give them a license. You know, like cars.
And yeah, magazine capacity and fire capacity of weapons should probably be looked at.
But really, I think the onus needs to fall on our 2nd Amendment enthusiasts. You like guns? Cool!
Tell us how to make them reasonably safe and protect the general public, and you can keep them! -
The shooter was in possession of an illegal weapon and used it for illegal purposes.
Not a single additional gun law would have done shit. -
Bullshit.doogie said:The shooter was in possession of an illegal weapon and used it for illegal purposes.
Not a single additional gun law would have done shit.
https://youtu.be/MtoAunyUaFU -
Are you just going to hang on that emotion or try to provide some logic to back up your claim
