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The empirical evidence in this country says otherwise. Costs have gone up the more the government gets involved.BearsWiin said:
Getting the government fully involved will lead to lower costs and better outcomes. There's no reason that a rich country like ours can't have a health care system as good as, say, Germany's.PurpleJ said:The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.
Local businessman comes up to me this morning at the gym and asks me about our small business health insurance rate increases over the last several years. I tell him that we were dealing with generally worse coverage for more money, with an average of 10-15%/year increases since 2007. He then tells me that for the 600 people he insures his rates went up 11-18%/yr before Obamacare, then flattened out since it went into effect. He then told me the story, again, of how he tore up his knee skiing in France and had to have it reconstructed over there, and the total medical cost to fix it was 1/4 of what it would have cost if he had fucked up his knee in the US. A successful entrepreneur, and one of the richest guys in the county (and there's a fuckton of money in this county) knows our system is broken and can learn a lot from the Europeans. I'm inclined to give his thoughts on health care more weight then the basement boners in sweats here who blather HA! CANADA! like that's supposed to mean something.
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Our health care system will remain fucked unless and until we stop incentivising poor people lead unhealthy lives.
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What the fuck do you know about the VA? I'm pretty happy with my care there.RaceBannon said:Human nature is undefeated and that's what you see at the VA. I am sure there are lots of good people there but there is no incentive to be great. It all pays the same. And the VA handles rationing by delaying care until the poor sod is dead. I am convinced uber national care for all would end up the same.
We have the best healthcare. We don't have the best insurance or delivery. We are smart enough to fix that without turning it over to fed employees.
This hybrid shit is what fucked it up in the first place.
Universal coverage would have to have some reason for the drones to give a fuck and make sure you get the right knee fixed when you tear it up skiing. -
I'm a bidnessman too and the Bear's buddy isn't as hot as he thinks he is when it comes to pricePurpleJ said:
The empirical evidence in this country says otherwise. Costs have gone up the more the government gets involved.BearsWiin said:
Getting the government fully involved will lead to lower costs and better outcomes. There's no reason that a rich country like ours can't have a health care system as good as, say, Germany's.PurpleJ said:The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.
Local businessman comes up to me this morning at the gym and asks me about our small business health insurance rate increases over the last several years. I tell him that we were dealing with generally worse coverage for more money, with an average of 10-15%/year increases since 2007. He then tells me that for the 600 people he insures his rates went up 11-18%/yr before Obamacare, then flattened out since it went into effect. He then told me the story, again, of how he tore up his knee skiing in France and had to have it reconstructed over there, and the total medical cost to fix it was 1/4 of what it would have cost if he had fucked up his knee in the US. A successful entrepreneur, and one of the richest guys in the county (and there's a fuckton of money in this county) knows our system is broken and can learn a lot from the Europeans. I'm inclined to give his thoughts on health care more weight then the basement boners in sweats here who blather HA! CANADA! like that's supposed to mean something. -
Sounds like the science is settled.PurpleJ said:
The empirical evidence in this country says otherwise. Costs have gone up the more the government gets involved.BearsWiin said:
Getting the government fully involved will lead to lower costs and better outcomes. There's no reason that a rich country like ours can't have a health care system as good as, say, Germany's.PurpleJ said:The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.
Local businessman comes up to me this morning at the gym and asks me about our small business health insurance rate increases over the last several years. I tell him that we were dealing with generally worse coverage for more money, with an average of 10-15%/year increases since 2007. He then tells me that for the 600 people he insures his rates went up 11-18%/yr before Obamacare, then flattened out since it went into effect. He then told me the story, again, of how he tore up his knee skiing in France and had to have it reconstructed over there, and the total medical cost to fix it was 1/4 of what it would have cost if he had fucked up his knee in the US. A successful entrepreneur, and one of the richest guys in the county (and there's a fuckton of money in this county) knows our system is broken and can learn a lot from the Europeans. I'm inclined to give his thoughts on health care more weight then the basement boners in sweats here who blather HA! CANADA! like that's supposed to mean something. -
The US of A =! Rest of World, TRUE?!?!!!!?!PurpleJ said:
The empirical evidence in this country says otherwise. Costs have gone up the more the government gets involved.BearsWiin said:
Getting the government fully involved will lead to lower costs and better outcomes. There's no reason that a rich country like ours can't have a health care system as good as, say, Germany's.PurpleJ said:The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.
Local businessman comes up to me this morning at the gym and asks me about our small business health insurance rate increases over the last several years. I tell him that we were dealing with generally worse coverage for more money, with an average of 10-15%/year increases since 2007. He then tells me that for the 600 people he insures his rates went up 11-18%/yr before Obamacare, then flattened out since it went into effect. He then told me the story, again, of how he tore up his knee skiing in France and had to have it reconstructed over there, and the total medical cost to fix it was 1/4 of what it would have cost if he had fucked up his knee in the US. A successful entrepreneur, and one of the richest guys in the county (and there's a fuckton of money in this county) knows our system is broken and can learn a lot from the Europeans. I'm inclined to give his thoughts on health care more weight then the basement boners in sweats here who blather HA! CANADA! like that's supposed to mean something.
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And the empirical evidence in the rest of the rich developed world supports my contention, not yours. You want to fuck things up, make a stupid hybrid system for distorted markets, barriers to entry, local monopolies, opacity in pricing, and greedhead insurance and healthcare interests to keep the system feeding their insane profits. The last element is important; there won't be any decent movement on health care in this country until we get campaign finance reform.PurpleJ said:
The empirical evidence in this country says otherwise. Costs have gone up the more the government gets involved.BearsWiin said:
Getting the government fully involved will lead to lower costs and better outcomes. There's no reason that a rich country like ours can't have a health care system as good as, say, Germany's.PurpleJ said:The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.
Local businessman comes up to me this morning at the gym and asks me about our small business health insurance rate increases over the last several years. I tell him that we were dealing with generally worse coverage for more money, with an average of 10-15%/year increases since 2007. He then tells me that for the 600 people he insures his rates went up 11-18%/yr before Obamacare, then flattened out since it went into effect. He then told me the story, again, of how he tore up his knee skiing in France and had to have it reconstructed over there, and the total medical cost to fix it was 1/4 of what it would have cost if he had fucked up his knee in the US. A successful entrepreneur, and one of the richest guys in the county (and there's a fuckton of money in this county) knows our system is broken and can learn a lot from the Europeans. I'm inclined to give his thoughts on health care more weight then the basement boners in sweats here who blather HA! CANADA! like that's supposed to mean something. -
Well as long as your happy we won't worry about all the folks that got fucked there.AZDuck said:
What the fuck do you know about the VA? I'm pretty happy with my care there.RaceBannon said:Human nature is undefeated and that's what you see at the VA. I am sure there are lots of good people there but there is no incentive to be great. It all pays the same. And the VA handles rationing by delaying care until the poor sod is dead. I am convinced uber national care for all would end up the same.
We have the best healthcare. We don't have the best insurance or delivery. We are smart enough to fix that without turning it over to fed employees.
This hybrid shit is what fucked it up in the first place.
Universal coverage would have to have some reason for the drones to give a fuck and make sure you get the right knee fixed when you tear it up skiing.
Its all about you
I was happy with pre Obamacare insurance. So fuck the fuck off -
Meat and vegetables are expensive compared to Cheerios and hot pockets.doogie said:Our health care system will remain fucked unless and until we stop incentivising poor people lead unhealthy lives.
But yeah. Being fat is probably the main cause of like half the issues. -
All those things are enabled by overregulation by the government. The socialized countries pay through high taxes.BearsWiin said:
And the empirical evidence in the rest of the rich developed world supports my contention, not yours. You want to fuck things up, make a stupid hybrid system for distorted markets, barriers to entry, local monopolies, opacity in pricing, and greedhead insurance and healthcare interests to keep the system feeding their insane profits. The last element is important; there won't be any decent movement on health care in this country until we get campaign finance reform.PurpleJ said:
The empirical evidence in this country says otherwise. Costs have gone up the more the government gets involved.BearsWiin said:
Getting the government fully involved will lead to lower costs and better outcomes. There's no reason that a rich country like ours can't have a health care system as good as, say, Germany's.PurpleJ said:The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.
Local businessman comes up to me this morning at the gym and asks me about our small business health insurance rate increases over the last several years. I tell him that we were dealing with generally worse coverage for more money, with an average of 10-15%/year increases since 2007. He then tells me that for the 600 people he insures his rates went up 11-18%/yr before Obamacare, then flattened out since it went into effect. He then told me the story, again, of how he tore up his knee skiing in France and had to have it reconstructed over there, and the total medical cost to fix it was 1/4 of what it would have cost if he had fucked up his knee in the US. A successful entrepreneur, and one of the richest guys in the county (and there's a fuckton of money in this county) knows our system is broken and can learn a lot from the Europeans. I'm inclined to give his thoughts on health care more weight then the basement boners in sweats here who blather HA! CANADA! like that's supposed to mean something.
