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I've read them fucktard ... far better than listening to them.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Watch the side by side speeches Doog.Tequilla said:
When you're talking about very generic things about how you grew up, your values, etc. there's a lot of these comments that would be very similar from person to person.Peterman said:
"Very generic" my asshole, one part was 22 out of 26 words exactly the same in exactly the same place. Obvious plagiarismTequilla said:
What's strange is that the parts that are being cited for plagiarizing are words that I would say you could hear in similar discussions on this type of topic.TierbsHsotBoobs said:My apologies. It appears Melania is excellent at plagiarism shit:
http://gawker.com/melania-trump-apparently-plagiarized-a-section-of-miche-1783889522
Another thing that I've learned over the years is that depending on where you are in the world, the topic of plagiarism, stretching the truth, etc. is completely different than our standards.
I also think a lot of times people view plagiarism as full blown source stealing whereas this would clearly be at best a couple of lines that are very, very generic.
I'm sure that there are things any of us have said in the past that could be cited for plagiarism. I know personally, I've said things that people have claimed I've taken straight from somebody else and I've never even seen what those people have said.
1st paragraph that is being cited is similar but definitely not word for word ... the values contained within are very common amongst many people and definitely not unique.
2nd paragraph that is cited is definitely the more direct example of plagiarism. Again, I'd argue that what was said in there definitely wasn't anything overly unique or special which does start clouding the plagiarism argument a bit.
If I was a betting man, I'd bet that these paragraphs were dropped in a prior edition as an example subject to revision/update. The 1st paragraph was slightly updated ... the 2nd paragraph probably just proofread and somehow the need to revise somehow slipped through the cracks.
Does this deserve an explanation from Melania and the Trump campaign ... absolutely.
Does this deserve the rhetoric that is coming from the left right now ... absolutely not. -
NOC Tequila. CNN and MSNBC have one goal. Make damn sure the narrative stays in Hillary Clinton's camp. Melania's speech is a distraction, plain and simple. It's the red meat they were looking for to move the conversation from domestic and foreign security to a tabloid issue.
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FOX is silent on this.Southerndawg said:NOC Tequila. CNN and MSNBC have one goal. Make damn sure the narrative stays in Hillary Clinton's camp. Melania's speech is a distraction, plain and simple. It's the red meat they were looking for to move the conversation from domestic and foreign security to a tabloid issue.
If the Democrats had done this, would they still be silent? -
As I said elsewhere, if I was a betting man, I'd bet that the inclusion of those 2 paragraphs were subject to editing and it fell through the cracks. It deserves an apology to Michelle and the like but it is what it is. These aren't unique ideas that are getting jumped on right now ... it's pretty amusing actually.Peterman said:
I get that but these are almost identical and it isn't just a phrase here or there. Also, the order is the same for both speechesTequilla said:
When you're talking about very generic things about how you grew up, your values, etc. there's a lot of these comments that would be very similar from person to person.Peterman said:
"Very generic" my asshole, one part was 22 out of 26 words exactly the same in exactly the same place. Obvious plagiarismTequilla said:
What's strange is that the parts that are being cited for plagiarizing are words that I would say you could hear in similar discussions on this type of topic.TierbsHsotBoobs said:My apologies. It appears Melania is excellent at plagiarism shit:
http://gawker.com/melania-trump-apparently-plagiarized-a-section-of-miche-1783889522
Another thing that I've learned over the years is that depending on where you are in the world, the topic of plagiarism, stretching the truth, etc. is completely different than our standards.
I also think a lot of times people view plagiarism as full blown source stealing whereas this would clearly be at best a couple of lines that are very, very generic.
I'm sure that there are things any of us have said in the past that could be cited for plagiarism. I know personally, I've said things that people have claimed I've taken straight from somebody else and I've never even seen what those people have said. -
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You're surprised? Of course they are, and they'll be looking for the same sort of red meat when your "girl's" coronation takes center stage.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
FOX is silent on this.Southerndawg said:NOC Tequila. CNN and MSNBC have one goal. Make damn sure the narrative stays in Hillary Clinton's camp. Melania's speech is a distraction, plain and simple. It's the red meat they were looking for to move the conversation from domestic and foreign security to a tabloid issue.
If the Democrats had done this, would they still be silent? -
My girl's coronation happened weeks ago:Southerndawg said:
You're surprised? Of course they are, and they'll be looking for the same sort of red meat when your "girl's" coronation takes center stage.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
FOX is silent on this.Southerndawg said:NOC Tequila. CNN and MSNBC have one goal. Make damn sure the narrative stays in Hillary Clinton's camp. Melania's speech is a distraction, plain and simple. It's the red meat they were looking for to move the conversation from domestic and foreign security to a tabloid issue.
If the Democrats had done this, would they still be silent?
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She needs to go on a diet and get complete reconstructive plastic surgery -
I'd say that a large percentage of America has no idea about the history of this country. Go back 200 years and when it came to politics newspapers were more or less propaganda machines for different causes, people, parties, etc.Southerndawg said:NOC Tequila. CNN and MSNBC have one goal. Make damn sure the narrative stays in Hillary Clinton's camp. Melania's speech is a distraction, plain and simple. It's the red meat they were looking for to move the conversation from domestic and foreign security to a tabloid issue.
At no point in my life have I felt that the media is more slanted (on both sides) than it is now. Very few people tell it like it is and play it down the middle. There is always spin. Generally speaking, I feel like CNN at least tries to get balance on their panels by having people from both sides but the problem is that so many of them can't get out of their own way of sounding so biased that it really just comes across as why there is so much gridlock.
Great example of how the media is biased is as follows:
I was listening to the radio today and this example came up from the last week or so: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/article/Oregon-gov-pushes-for-stronger-gun-laws-8380755.php
Only problem is that when the Oregon governor talks about needing to stop partisan politics, Oregon has a Democratic governor, a Democratic Senate, and a Democratic Congress. But that wasn't anywhere in the article because it didn't advance the agenda of the writer.
The bottom line is more people need to think for themselves and not for whether it is good for the D or the R. -
DisagreeTequilla said:
I'd say that a large percentage of America has no idea about the history of this country. Go back 200 years and when it came to politics newspapers were more or less propaganda machines for different causes, people, parties, etc.Southerndawg said:NOC Tequila. CNN and MSNBC have one goal. Make damn sure the narrative stays in Hillary Clinton's camp. Melania's speech is a distraction, plain and simple. It's the red meat they were looking for to move the conversation from domestic and foreign security to a tabloid issue.
At no point in my life have I felt that the media is more slanted (on both sides) than it is now. Very few people tell it like it is and play it down the middle. There is always spin. Generally speaking, I feel like CNN at least tries to get balance on their panels by having people from both sides but the problem is that so many of them can't get out of their own way of sounding so biased that it really just comes across as why there is so much gridlock.
Great example of how the media is biased is as follows:
I was listening to the radio today and this example came up from the last week or so: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/article/Oregon-gov-pushes-for-stronger-gun-laws-8380755.php
Only problem is that when the Oregon governor talks about needing to stop partisan politics, Oregon has a Democratic governor, a Democratic Senate, and a Democratic Congress. But that wasn't anywhere in the article because it didn't advance the agenda of the writer.
The bottom line is more people need to think for themselves and not for whether it is good for the D or the R.
