Thanks Sawant you terrorist cunt

RaceBannon

Can we all agree not to ask Tequila to expand on his argument?

sarktastic

Tequilla said:

I'm surprised anybody's surprised ...

This is as good of a deal as I can think of anybody really bringing up for a public/private partnership ...

But when you look at the composition of the Seattle City Council ... is it really that surprising?

The bonds may hold a personal guarantee from a Billionaire, but, think, man... We use up our bonding capacity on stadiums, there won't be any left over to fund new homeless camps.

dnc

Tequilla said:

ThomasFremont said:

Tequilla said:

ThomasFremont said:

Tequilla said:

doogsinparadise said:

I want the Sonics back, and it's possible that this was the best deal that Hansen is willing to make, but property taxes are starting to get out of control as it is and where else are you going to get the money without an income tax.

Unless I've completely misread the entire proposed funding, none of the funding was going to be put in a position where the general population was going to be paying for it regardless of use. The public contribution was going to be all dependent upon those that would use the facility through taxes on tickets, etc. Simply put, if you don't want to pay taxes, then don't go to the arena. No change in anybody's lives as it is.

As someone without kids (and I'm sure I'm not the only person on this bored in this position), I could argue that I'm pissed at some of the taxes that I pay to support educational initiatives because they don't directly impact me. Or, just as likely, I could complain about how much funding goes to furthering the arts given that I don't go to an art museum, a symphony, etc. But who am I say that my interests are better/worse than others.

So you'd be ok with a generation of uneducated maniacs running wild?

Your reading comprehension sucks

huh?

What funded your education, bright boy?

You missed my entire point ... which isn't surprising ...

My point is that just because I may not benefit directly from something doesn't mean that it is worthless. What I find important may be completely different than what someone else finds important. It's not my place to say that someone else's interests or motivations are better or worse than mine ... just like the reverse isn't true. For anybody that wants to claim that a sporting arena is worthless because they don't use them, I could just as easily counter saying that funding for the symphony, parks, etc. is worthless because I don't use them.

Perhaps the bigger issue of all of this is actually thinking about how and what we fund through taxes. Personally, I'm all in favor of the way the taxes were set up for the Arena through direct use taxes. If you aren't using the facility, you don't get taxed. That makes a lot of sense to me. In contrast, take property taxes and all the different ways that they get split up and I can guarantee that there is at least a handful of things that I'd rather not have my money going to support.

And, to your question about what funded my education, that actually really is a good question ...

My mother wasn't a property owner so she (and as a result I) didn't contribute directly through property taxes, etc. At UW, I paid my own way through school so other than what the state contributed through funding to the University as a whole it was on me. For grad school, it was a mixture of family contributions and a scholarship.

I don't have any problem contributing money towards education. However, I'm also not going to blindly vote for every education ask that comes on a ballot. I do think that we provide a significant amount of funds into education and I would challenge whether or not the funding is being utilized efficiently.

The other thing that I'd throw out there on an arena standpoint is that the big miss by those that vote against arenas and whatnot is that they miss on what the importance of athletics are in shaping values and work ethic in life. Sports give kids something to strive for and is one of the first things where they learn the values of hard work, working together, and competition. If you don't have influences around for kids to look up to, you're bound to see them find other, far less savory, influences.

Can you expand on this for @RaceBannon?

TurdBomber

sarktastic said:

Tequilla said:

I'm surprised anybody's surprised ...

This is as good of a deal as I can think of anybody really bringing up for a public/private partnership ...

But when you look at the composition of the Seattle City Council ... is it really that surprising?

The bonds may hold a personal guarantee from a Billionaire, but, think, man... We use up our bonding capacity on stadiums, there won't be any left over to fund new homeless camps.

Then lets build as many arenas as we can.

puppylove_sugarsteel

doogsinparadise said:

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

Guess illegal immigrant lorena gonzales was the deciding vote. Voters you know what to do. Vote those clueless twats right out of office and right on back to Syria and mexico respectively. Its official, we have lost Seattle to immigrants.

Actually im all giggles as I was smart enough to move out of there long ago. I pity the foo's who still live there. Well 'rent' to live there.

There's no reason to bring raysiss crap into this just because you can't afford to move out of Maltby.

You couldnt afford to live in my seattle property. Said I moved outta there, didnt say im not still extorting rediculous rental income from suckers like you. Everytime council queefs out a proprty tax levy, I just jack my rent up 10-fold. #cashflow for pumpy...#paychecktopaycheck for parasite

PurpleJ

Is the rental located in your ass? #assflow for pumpy

GrundleStiltzkin

Pumpy loves the sodomites

puppylove_sugarsteel

PurpleJ said:

Is the rental located in your ass? #assflow for pumpy

Jesus J, I just shake my head in disbelief at the shit that flows out your ass. Someday you and the family might be able to afford the trip north to Seattle from Roy. It'll be a short stay though. The cost to feed the family and park will force a quick exit back to the south sound and the nearest golden corral.

If someday you find a high paying $15 Sawant job up here, the company will be insolvent by the time you interview so DO NOT quit the day job in Buckley beforehand. That's free puppy advice. Any more will cost you

Swaye

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

PurpleJ said:

Is the rental located in your ass? #assflow for pumpy

Jesus J, I just shake my head in disbelief at the shit that flows out your ass. Someday you and the family might be able to afford the trip north to Seattle from Roy. It'll be a short stay though. The cost to feed the family and park will force a quick exit back to the south sound and the nearest golden corral.

If someday you find a high paying $15 Sawant job up here, the company will be insolvent by the time you interview so DO NOT quit the day job in Buckley beforehand. That's free puppy advice. Any more will cost you

If we are going to bash Golden Corral I am fucking out!

sarktastic

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

PurpleJ said:

Is the rental located in your ass? #assflow for pumpy

Jesus J, I just shake my head in disbelief at the shit that flows out your ass. Someday you and the family might be able to afford the trip north to Seattle from Roy. It'll be a short stay though. The cost to feed the family and park will force a quick exit back to the south sound and the nearest golden corral.

If someday you find a high paying $15 Sawant job up here, the company will be insolvent by the time you interview so DO NOT quit the day job in Buckley beforehand. That's free puppy advice. Any more will cost you

It's precisely this thinking that needs to change. That real estate belongs to ALL of us.

Rents should revert to 30 year mean average. Landlords should be taxed a "community usage fee" for each renter for the burden they put on community seeeervices.

Landlords should be fined if they try to pass tax increases on to renters.

Tequilla

sarktastic said:

Tequilla said:

I'm surprised anybody's surprised ...

This is as good of a deal as I can think of anybody really bringing up for a public/private partnership ...

But when you look at the composition of the Seattle City Council ... is it really that surprising?

The bonds may hold a personal guarantee from a Billionaire, but, think, man... We use up our bonding capacity on stadiums, there won't be any left over to fund new homeless camps.

Think of the number of homeless people we could care for in the days that the arena isn't being used

sarktastic

#dualpurpose

Swaye

Tequilla said:

sarktastic said:

Tequilla said:

I'm surprised anybody's surprised ...

This is as good of a deal as I can think of anybody really bringing up for a public/private partnership ...

But when you look at the composition of the Seattle City Council ... is it really that surprising?

The bonds may hold a personal guarantee from a Billionaire, but, think, man... We use up our bonding capacity on stadiums, there won't be any left over to fund new homeless camps.

Think of the number of homeless people we could care for in the days that the arena isn't being used

Plus the next time Seattle has a hurricane we could house them there and watch them fight to the death for buckets of chicken.

#incomeopportunity

BennyBeaver

CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

PurpleJ said:

Race was at the game.

With his 2 TUFF liberal logger dads.

Most people forget they had to beat Finland for the gold.

BennyBeaver

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

PurpleJ said:

Is the rental located in your ass? #assflow for pumpy

Jesus J, I just shake my head in disbelief at the shit that flows out your ass. Someday you and the family might be able to afford the trip north to Seattle from Roy. It'll be a short stay though. The cost to feed the family and park will force a quick exit back to the south sound and the nearest golden corral.

If someday you find a high paying $15 Sawant job up here, the company will be insolvent by the time you interview so DO NOT quit the day job in Buckley beforehand. That's free puppy advice. Any more will cost you

In. Meds. Dialed.

SweatpantsGeneral

Swaye said:

Tequilla said:

sarktastic said:

Tequilla said:

I'm surprised anybody's surprised ...

This is as good of a deal as I can think of anybody really bringing up for a public/private partnership ...

But when you look at the composition of the Seattle City Council ... is it really that surprising?

The bonds may hold a personal guarantee from a Billionaire, but, think, man... We use up our bonding capacity on stadiums, there won't be any left over to fund new homeless camps.

Think of the number of homeless people we could care for in the days that the arena isn't being used

Plus the next time Seattle has a hurricane we could house them there and watch them fight to the death for buckets of chicken.

#incomeopportunity

This has legs.

PostGameOrangeSlices

I didn't read the whole thread, but the 4 guys on the council that have an ounce of civic pride voted yes

The 5 dry vaginas voted no

All that needs to be said

TierbsHsotBoobs

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

I didn't read the whole thread, but the 4 guys on the council that have an ounce of civic pride voted yes

The 5 dry vaginas voted no

All that needs to be said

But how is Seattle the most pussified city in America?

PurpleJ

Tequilla said:

sarktastic said:

Tequilla said:

I'm surprised anybody's surprised ...

This is as good of a deal as I can think of anybody really bringing up for a public/private partnership ...

But when you look at the composition of the Seattle City Council ... is it really that surprising?

The bonds may hold a personal guarantee from a Billionaire, but, think, man... We use up our bonding capacity on stadiums, there won't be any left over to fund new homeless camps.

Think of the number of homeless people we could care for in the days that the arena isn't being used

Plz expand

PostGameOrangeSlices

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

I didn't read the whole thread, but the 4 guys on the council that have an ounce of civic pride voted yes

The 5 dry vaginas voted no

All that needs to be said

But how is Seattle the most pussified city in America?

When did Portland get hit by a meteor?

PurpleJ

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

I didn't read the whole thread, but the 4 guys on the council that have an ounce of civic pride voted yes

The 5 dry vaginas voted no

All that needs to be said

But how is Seattle the most pussified city in America?

When did Portland get hit by a meteor?

Be less pussified than Portland. Nothing else matters.

PurpleJ

Wake me when Portland gets an NBA team! HAH!

PurpleJ

PostGameOrangeSlices

PurpleJ said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

I didn't read the whole thread, but the 4 guys on the council that have an ounce of civic pride voted yes

The 5 dry vaginas voted no

All that needs to be said

But how is Seattle the most pussified city in America?

When did Portland get hit by a meteor?

Be less pussified than Portland. Nothing else matters.

Or San Fran

PurpleJ

San Fran wins at stuff, though.

Sledog

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

Arena proposal voted down. Fuck Seattle, fuck their butthuffing mayor, fuck the city council, fuck every new fish transplant that lives here.

Im a wild Seattle resident. I dont even know this city, or State anymore, the city I grew up in. Im selling my real estate in this buttfuckered city and moving to idaho. Wont pay another tax to these rainblow warrior sodomists.

Just leave Seattle in Seattle when you come to Idaho!

doogsinparadise

Portland wishes they had an NBA team to not build an arena for.

Kaepsknee

Seattle is the shittiest sports town in the Country that has some density. Why WOULD anyone devote public money to fund an arena for teams that won't be supported unless they are on top???

Kaepsknee

Tequilla said:

doogsinparadise said:

I want the Sonics back, and it's possible that this was the best deal that Hansen is willing to make, but property taxes are starting to get out of control as it is and where else are you going to get the money without an income tax.

Unless I've completely misread the entire proposed funding, none of the funding was going to be put in a position where the general population was going to be paying for it regardless of use. The public contribution was going to be all dependent upon those that would use the facility through taxes on tickets, etc. Simply put, if you don't want to pay taxes, then don't go to the arena. No change in anybody's lives as it is.

As someone without kids (and I'm sure I'm not the only person on this bored in this position), I could argue that I'm pissed at some of the taxes that I pay to support educational initiatives because they don't directly impact me. Or, just as likely, I could complain about how much funding goes to furthering the arts given that I don't go to an art museum, a symphony, etc. But who am I say that my interests are better/worse than others.

So when the teams suck and the arena is half full of actual paying attendants, who will foot the bill then?

PostGameOrangeSlices

salemcoog said:

Seattle is the shittiest sports town in the Country that has some density. Why WOULD anyone devote public money to fund an arena for teams that won't be supported unless they are on top???

No it's not.

People not wanting to see the shitshow Mariners lose in person =/= bad sports fans