$15 an hour FUCK YA
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Please provide examples with in the last 70 years when the minimum wage was raised 15 % per year for 5 years.2001400ex said:
Shitstain, serious question. Ever looked at reality with the effects of minimum wage? There's a long history of minimum wage hikes in the US to glean information from. Might even have been taught in an economics class.TurdBuffer said:DoogIP: Serious question. Ever taken Economics?
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Awesomed for SCougs Donkey call out. If you've ever dealt with an actual donkey, you'd realize how fucking funny and dead-balls accurate that comment is.salemcoog said:
You are such a Donkey. First It isn't $15 an hour in Seattle yet. Second. If you weren't such a world class donkey, you would realize the economies in Seattle vs Yakima/ Spokane or anywhere else east of the mountains are almost night and day.2001400ex said:
Oh it was going to wreck Seattle. Seattle doesn't get wrecked, but it will wreck Yakima and Spokane.Ice_Holmvik said:
Seattle is a unique market. A lot of high tech jobs and high paying sales jobs. In the short term Seattle has enough wealth to overlook the problems. Try it in Yakima or Spokane and you will see results much faster.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:The higher minimum wage in Seattle hasn't killed off businesses, raised unemployment, or raised the price of goods and services there by 25%. Keep freaking out though.
What really is going to happen? Your favorite fast food costs you another dollar? Does anyone really eat enough fast food for that to matter?
But do continue to embarrass yourself multiple times daily on this board. Your are truly a glutton for punishment. -
Look at minimum wage in terms of minimal dollars. $15 an hour on a few years is right in line with historical minimum wage. Have you not heard of inflation?salemcoog said:
Please provide examples with in the last 70 years when the minimum wage was raised 15 % per year for 5 years.2001400ex said:
Shitstain, serious question. Ever looked at reality with the effects of minimum wage? There's a long history of minimum wage hikes in the US to glean information from. Might even have been taught in an economics class.TurdBuffer said:DoogIP: Serious question. Ever taken Economics?
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Get back to me when it's proposed on the East side of the mountains to go up to $15 an hour.salemcoog said:
You are such a Donkey. First It isn't $15 an hour in Seattle yet. Second. If you weren't such a world class donkey, you would realize the economies in Seattle vs Yakima/ Spokane or anywhere else east of the mountains are almost night and day.2001400ex said:
Oh it was going to wreck Seattle. Seattle doesn't get wrecked, but it will wreck Yakima and Spokane.Ice_Holmvik said:
Seattle is a unique market. A lot of high tech jobs and high paying sales jobs. In the short term Seattle has enough wealth to overlook the problems. Try it in Yakima or Spokane and you will see results much faster.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:The higher minimum wage in Seattle hasn't killed off businesses, raised unemployment, or raised the price of goods and services there by 25%. Keep freaking out though.
What really is going to happen? Your favorite fast food costs you another dollar? Does anyone really eat enough fast food for that to matter?
But do continue to embarrass yourself multiple times daily on this board. Your are truly a glutton for punishment. -
Whether that's a solution (to what problem, I don't know) or not is debatable, but in 2016 the reality is that if you have a job which is highly repetitive you are at risk for being replaced by a robot or other form of automation. You can be replaced by an algorithm.doogsinparadise said:The solution is full automation for basic service and manufacturing jobs and a guaranteed inflation adjusted income for everyone under a certain floor. Let people that want to work work, but stop this chicken and egg charade with the proles.
Then we as a society have to figure what all the people with no skills or knowledge or ability to learn new things are supposed to do all day. At a minimum it should bring hookers and blow prices down (at least the H part of the equation). -
The City of Spokane recently enacted mandatory paid sick leave for employers (of all sizes). It is coming because there are fuckwads everywhere who think this is Utopia and everyone deserves middle class lifestyles.
When the $15 min wage hits a statewide mandate, the shit is going to hit the fan. Kiss Ag goodbye as a prime export in the State of Washington. Most of those fucks already barely make it as it is with current gubmint subsidies. Putin starts fucking with wheat the same way he does with oil and there is going to be a shitstorm in this state. All the other crops are pretty well fucked too.
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You do realize that every minimum wage hike fucksticks like you and shitstain predict the world is going to end. Yet every time all our economy does is grow.PurpleThrobber said:
The City of Spokane recently enacted mandatory paid sick leave for employers (of all sizes). It is coming because there are fuckwads everywhere who think this is Utopia and everyone deserves middle class lifestyles.
When the $15 min wage hits a statewide mandate, the shit is going to hit the fan. Kiss Ag goodbye as a prime export in the State of Washington. Most of those fucks already barely make it as it is with current gubmint subsidies. Putin starts fucking with wheat the same way he does with oil and there is going to be a shitstorm in this state. All the other crops are pretty well fucked too. -
Kreist Donkey!!! Just when you can't get any dumber. If what you say is true and you are more than the bottle washer at a MMJ store. How does that relate to any other restaurant business?2001400ex said:
It's actually an MMJ edible store.Sledog said:
Is a corn cart with the mayo jar hanging on the handlebars really a "fast food restaurant"?2001400ex said:
Shitstain can't read. And how is a comment on a newspaper website about Pho restaurants considered "facts"? The point, that is lost on you, is causality between minimum wage increase and businesses closing, which you are far from demonstrating.TurdBuffer said:Honda says prices aren't rising and businesses aren't failing. When confronted with facts that say otherwise, he says, "well, those businesses suck anyways."
Derek: Did you check Hondo's ID? Sure it wasn't a learner's permit?
One other thing Hondo's obviously never done: Paid payroll tax.
I do own a fast food restaurant of all things. It's a side gig and I owned it back when the minimum wage was last increased from 5.15 to 7.25. It didn't have an effect then and won't hurt us now.
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You mean like the inflation for goods that has been stagnant for the better part of 7 years???? Is that what you're talking about?2001400ex said:
Look at minimum wage in terms of minimal dollars. $15 an hour on a few years is right in line with historical minimum wage. Have you not heard of inflation?salemcoog said:
Please provide examples with in the last 70 years when the minimum wage was raised 15 % per year for 5 years.2001400ex said:
Shitstain, serious question. Ever looked at reality with the effects of minimum wage? There's a long history of minimum wage hikes in the US to glean information from. Might even have been taught in an economics class.TurdBuffer said:DoogIP: Serious question. Ever taken Economics?
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Goal.post.moved.again.2001400ex said:
Get back to me when it's proposed on the East side of the mountains to go up to $15 an hour.salemcoog said:
You are such a Donkey. First It isn't $15 an hour in Seattle yet. Second. If you weren't such a world class donkey, you would realize the economies in Seattle vs Yakima/ Spokane or anywhere else east of the mountains are almost night and day.2001400ex said:
Oh it was going to wreck Seattle. Seattle doesn't get wrecked, but it will wreck Yakima and Spokane.Ice_Holmvik said:
Seattle is a unique market. A lot of high tech jobs and high paying sales jobs. In the short term Seattle has enough wealth to overlook the problems. Try it in Yakima or Spokane and you will see results much faster.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:The higher minimum wage in Seattle hasn't killed off businesses, raised unemployment, or raised the price of goods and services there by 25%. Keep freaking out though.
What really is going to happen? Your favorite fast food costs you another dollar? Does anyone really eat enough fast food for that to matter?
But do continue to embarrass yourself multiple times daily on this board. Your are truly a glutton for punishment. -
I don't know, there's some in this thread that agree with your shit that say grocery prices are already up 15% from last year.salemcoog said:
You mean like the inflation for goods that has been stagnant for the better part of 7 years???? Is that what you're talking about?2001400ex said:
Look at minimum wage in terms of minimal dollars. $15 an hour on a few years is right in line with historical minimum wage. Have you not heard of inflation?salemcoog said:
Please provide examples with in the last 70 years when the minimum wage was raised 15 % per year for 5 years.2001400ex said:
Shitstain, serious question. Ever looked at reality with the effects of minimum wage? There's a long history of minimum wage hikes in the US to glean information from. Might even have been taught in an economics class.TurdBuffer said:DoogIP: Serious question. Ever taken Economics?
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Tequila called me a world class donkeyTurdBuffer said:
Awesomed for SCougs Donkey call out. If you've ever dealt with an actual donkey, you'd realize how fucking funny and dead-balls accurate that comment is.salemcoog said:
You are such a Donkey. First It isn't $15 an hour in Seattle yet. Second. If you weren't such a world class donkey, you would realize the economies in Seattle vs Yakima/ Spokane or anywhere else east of the mountains are almost night and day.2001400ex said:
Oh it was going to wreck Seattle. Seattle doesn't get wrecked, but it will wreck Yakima and Spokane.Ice_Holmvik said:
Seattle is a unique market. A lot of high tech jobs and high paying sales jobs. In the short term Seattle has enough wealth to overlook the problems. Try it in Yakima or Spokane and you will see results much faster.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:The higher minimum wage in Seattle hasn't killed off businesses, raised unemployment, or raised the price of goods and services there by 25%. Keep freaking out though.
What really is going to happen? Your favorite fast food costs you another dollar? Does anyone really eat enough fast food for that to matter?
But do continue to embarrass yourself multiple times daily on this board. Your are truly a glutton for punishment.
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The fallacy of the the $15 minimum wage (any minimum wage actually) is that it prices people who can only provide $14 worth of value out of the market entirely. The unseen victim in these transactions are the people who never were offered jobs who maintain an income of $0/hourly because they're priced out of the market relative to their labor value. If you were really concerned about the welfare of poor people you would be against the minimum wage altogether.
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Hondo catered d2d's battlefield commission party
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Jesus, Hondo.
You're saying you have to increase your own biz's gross sales by 30% in order to come out ahead after a min wage increase. 30-fucking-percent to recapture the costs of the min wage increase and come out ahead on it. Yet, here you are arguing that the impacts are negligible. As a passive, out-of-state owner not involved in the day-to-day, it's pretty convenient to say it's no big deal and not that hard. But what would you know if all that hard turn-around work was done by others?
And your "growing economy" is gouging the fuck out of people who need housing, 'cause a constricted supply drives up prices, but "bring it on," you say. Prices never rise, and businesses just magically absorb the increases without passing them onto consumers. Right. -
Okay you bought a poorly managed business and could create a savings through better management that won't account for future increases in pay. Of course you can [ay with increased business, you always can IF you can get it. But along with the higher wages are the higher tax, workers comp and unemployment insurance payouts etc. So those costs rise as well as the raise. In my business that were already running efficiently it would require a rate hike pretty quickly. Say a 50% bump in pay from 10 -15 an hour is plus the additional payroll taxes etc. would have required a price increase at least in my instance and I would guess many others.2001400ex said:
Reality here.... (No BS). I do own a restaurant in Montana as a side business. It feeds two other families and I get a tax write off. (I am a 1/3 owner). I basically just got the financing package together and organizational docs and I did the financials until I got too busy. We bought it in February 2008.Sledog said:
I or the family have had several businesses. Just how does an increase in your payroll not affect you? You have to either make less profit or raise prices to cover it. It always affected me.2001400ex said:
It's actually an MMJ edible store.Sledog said:
Is a corn cart with the mayo jar hanging on the handlebars really a "fast food restaurant"?2001400ex said:
Shitstain can't read. And how is a comment on a newspaper website about Pho restaurants considered "facts"? The point, that is lost on you, is causality between minimum wage increase and businesses closing, which you are far from demonstrating.TurdBuffer said:Honda says prices aren't rising and businesses aren't failing. When confronted with facts that say otherwise, he says, "well, those businesses suck anyways."
Derek: Did you check Hondo's ID? Sure it wasn't a learner's permit?
One other thing Hondo's obviously never done: Paid payroll tax.
I do own a fast food restaurant of all things. It's a side gig and I owned it back when the minimum wage was last increased from 5.15 to 7.25. It didn't have an effect then and won't hurt us now.
People like you make me chuckle, thanks for the laff.
We cater to low income people, so when minimum wage went up, our sales went up. We had several years of losses, all 100% due to poor management. We got labor in check by watching hours and managing people better. Not to mention expense control.
Our sales were about $500k a year before minimum wage went up. Now they are over $600k. Some of that was better advertising, some was from better economy. But our wages are about 30%, you can run numbers and see a minimum wage increase is only a couple percent. But if our sales grow to $650k a year, we come out ahead on the deal. Businesses are about growing revenue, if you do that, you come out ahead.
Now fuck off for having me talk like an accountant.
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Can you read shitstain? Or did you just read 30% and try to make an argument with it? Reread my post.TurdBuffer said:Jesus, Hondo.
You're saying you have to increase your own biz's gross sales by 30% in order to come out ahead after a min wage increase. 30-fucking-percent to recapture the costs of the min wage increase and come out ahead on it. Yet, here you are arguing that the impacts are negligible. As a passive, out-of-state owner not involved in the day-to-day, it's pretty convenient to say it's no big deal and not that hard. But what would you know if all that hard turn-around work was done by others?
And your "growing economy" is gouging the fuck out of people who need housing, 'cause a constricted supply drives up prices, but "bring it on," you say. Prices never rise, and businesses just magically absorb the increases without passing them onto consumers. Right.
And if you ever have owned a business, you'd know businesses price their products to get the demand they need. Look at Apple, the iPhone costs like $150 to make, but they sell them for $700. Do you think if their product note costs $200 they can just raise the price to $750 to cover the difference and there won't be an impact on their sales?
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You've actually tapped into another issue.SpoonieLuv said:The fallacy of the the $15 minimum wage (any minimum wage actually) is that it prices people who can only provide $14 worth of value out of the market entirely. The unseen victim in these transactions are the people who never were offered jobs who maintain an income of $0/hourly because they're priced out of the market relative to their labor value. If you were really concerned about the welfare of poor people you would be against the minimum wage altogether.
The real loser in this is the young person who is looking for a job.
Either the entry level job will become automated, or a person who is older and has real world experience will get the job.
This leaves kids with no jobs ...
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Quite honestly, Hondo, your posts are difficult to unravel.
"businesses price their products to get the demand they need."
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Shitstain, is that concept lost on you? OK. How do you think businesses price products then? I'd like to hear this.TurdBuffer said:Quite honestly, Hondo, your posts are difficult to unravel.
"businesses price their products to get the demand they need."
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They find out what you would do... then do the opposite.
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Yes. It is. Because it's fucking retarded. I think I know what you're trying, but failing to say.2001400ex said:
Shitstain, is that concept lost on you? OK. How do you think businesses price products then? I'd like to hear this.TurdBuffer said:Quite honestly, Hondo, your posts are difficult to unravel.
"businesses price their products to get the demand they need."
What?
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Answer the question shitstain. How do businesses price products?TurdBuffer said:
Yes. It is. Because it's fucking retarded. I think I know what you're trying, but failing to say.2001400ex said:
Shitstain, is that concept lost on you? OK. How do you think businesses price products then? I'd like to hear this.TurdBuffer said:Quite honestly, Hondo, your posts are difficult to unravel.
"businesses price their products to get the demand they need."
What?
Is English your second language? Or are you just a shitty writer? -
If I like my $12 an hour can I keep it?
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There are several factors involved in pricing products, Hondo. Hence, your question is as poorly presented as your previous writing attempts.
BTW, "skidmark" is way funnier than "shitstain," which I think you were trying for. -
Disagree.TurdBuffer said:There are several factors involved in pricing products, Hondo. Hence, your question is as poorly presented as your previous writing attempts.
BTW, "skidmark" is way funnier than "shitstain," which I think you were trying for.
Nice non answer. For the record, shitstain and others have implied that the smart decision is to raise prices just because costs go up. And that's an effective pricing strategy. -
2001400ex said:
Disagree.TurdBuffer said:There are several factors involved in pricing products, Hondo. Hence, your question is as poorly presented as your previous writing attempts.
BTW, "skidmark" is way funnier than "shitstain," which I think you were trying for.
Nice non answer. For the record, shitstain and others have implied that the smart decision is to raise prices just because costs go up. And that's an effective pricing strategy. -
Nice non answer as always.TurdBuffer said:2001400ex said:
Disagree.TurdBuffer said:There are several factors involved in pricing products, Hondo. Hence, your question is as poorly presented as your previous writing attempts.
BTW, "skidmark" is way funnier than "shitstain," which I think you were trying for.
Nice non answer. For the record, shitstain and others have implied that the smart decision is to raise prices just because costs go up. And that's an effective pricing strategy. -
ThisSpoonieLuv said:The fallacy of the the $15 minimum wage (any minimum wage actually) is that it prices people who can only provide $14 worth of value out of the market entirely. The unseen victim in these transactions are the people who never were offered jobs who maintain an income of $0/hourly because they're priced out of the market relative to their labor value. If you were really concerned about the welfare of poor people you would be against the minimum wage altogether.
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Absolutely,SpoonieLuv said:The fallacy of the the $15 minimum wage (any minimum wage actually) is that it prices people who can only provide $14 worth of value out of the market entirely. The unseen victim in these transactions are the people who never were offered jobs who maintain an income of $0/hourly because they're priced out of the market relative to their labor value. If you were really concerned about the welfare of poor people you would be against the minimum wage altogether.
This kind of increase to minimum wage hurts more people than it actually helps.
People producing $15.00/hr of work at $10.00 an hour will no longer be underpaid, but people performing $10.00/hr work will be replaced by people performing $15.00/hr work. You basically price out the lower skilled worker. So now instead of making minimum wage, these guys make zero which then makes them higher recipients of welfare dollars.
People making $16.00-$20.00 will lose buying power
Social Security beneficiaries will also lose buying power, since they haven't seen an increase in benefits in over 3 years.
You'll actually see the opposite of what it's intention is supposed to be. You'll actually see an increase in poverty in general, and also an increase in the amount of severely impoverished.
The only true way of wealth growth is through job creation. 40% increase in minimum wage will actually take jobs away from the unskilled worker, which the minimum wage is supposed to protect.
