It's so fucking vital that it will be fully implemented in 2022 in California. All the GOP voted against it because they hate the poor. Allegedly. Dems passed it but you can't have it.
The higher minimum wage in Seattle hasn't killed off businesses, raised unemployment, or raised the price of goods and services there by 25%. Keep freaking out though.
Seattle is a unique market. A lot of high tech jobs and high paying sales jobs. In the short term Seattle has enough wealth to overlook the problems. Try it in Yakima or Spokane and you will see results much faster.
Oh it was going to wreck Seattle. Seattle doesn't get wrecked, but it will wreck Yakima and Spokane.
What really is going to happen? Your favorite fast food costs you another dollar? Does anyone really eat enough fast food for that to matter?
Bill: Alaskan Amber is 9.99 a 6 pack at my local store. Last year it was 7.99. That's not 25%, but it is 20%. Literally every item at the grocery store, corner store, or restaurant has increased at least 15% over the past year.
The unusually hi-paying jobs among younger, single workers, also makes Seattle an unusual environment to measure the effects since they easily absorb the price increases without sacrificing much of their consumption.
I don't think $15 will hurt Seattle overall, but it's going to change things where, for example, a person pays 1/2 of a barrista's hourly wage by buying one coffee drink.
Except the facts are, grocery prices aren't up 15%. Or even close.
Bill: Alaskan Amber is 9.99 a 6 pack at my local store. Last year it was 7.99. That's not 25%, but it is 20%. Literally every item at the grocery store, corner store, or restaurant has increased at least 15% over the past year.
The unusually hi-paying jobs among younger, single workers, also makes Seattle an unusual environment to measure the effects since they easily absorb the price increases without sacrificing much of their consumption.
I don't think $15 will hurt Seattle overall, but it's going to change things where, for example, a person pays 1/2 of a barrista's hourly wage by buying one coffee drink.
Well you're buying your beer at the wrong place BROTHER, because I just bought a sixer of Lagunita at Trader Joe's for 7.99. An Americano still costs about 2.50 plus tip, an inexpensive haircut is still $20-25, and if most restaurants have changed their pricing structures outside of the trend I haven't noticed.
The higher minimum wage in Seattle hasn't killed off businesses, raised unemployment, or raised the price of goods and services there by 25%. Keep freaking out though.
Seattle is a unique market. A lot of high tech jobs and high paying sales jobs. In the short term Seattle has enough wealth to overlook the problems. Try it in Yakima or Spokane and you will see results much faster.
Oh it was going to wreck Seattle. Seattle doesn't get wrecked, but it will wreck Yakima and Spokane.
What really is going to happen? Your favorite fast food costs you another dollar? Does anyone really eat enough fast food for that to matter?
It is NOT exclusively about the price you pay for a product or service. It is what happens to the infrastructure within the business models and why you should work hard for a living. Mediocrity! Let's all strive for it.
Bill, don't miss my point. I said I support raising the minimum wage, but not so much so fast, and the bigger issue is the socialist rant that anyone who works 40 hours a week should want for nothing essential. Sorry, but just having a job doesn't entitle you to 3 squares, a house, college for your kids, etc. That's middle class life, not working class or bottom of the labor market work, from where people can move up if they pay their dues.
Prices are up significantly, and by that I mean at least 10%, but in my area, Safeway is up about 10 to 12%, while Met Market is more like 18% to 20% - but that's the Yuppy Market in my hood.
Problem in Seattle is that housing costs and especially rent will keep pace with wage increases, so the relief people are feeling will be short-lived as the short-falls once again present themselves. The only way out of that trap is higher-paying jobs well above minimum wage, but Sawant & Co. have young folks thinking they'll be fine once the minimum wage hits $15. Not gonna happen with rents and prices going up, and we'll be talking about raising it again to $18 or $20. More dollars chasing same amount of goods = inflation, but somehow that's lost in the discussion.
The higher minimum wage in Seattle hasn't killed off businesses, raised unemployment, or raised the price of goods and services there by 25%. Keep freaking out though.
Seattle is a unique market. A lot of high tech jobs and high paying sales jobs. In the short term Seattle has enough wealth to overlook the problems. Try it in Yakima or Spokane and you will see results much faster.
Oh it was going to wreck Seattle. Seattle doesn't get wrecked, but it will wreck Yakima and Spokane.
What really is going to happen? Your favorite fast food costs you another dollar? Does anyone really eat enough fast food for that to matter?
Also it is asy to see why Seattle can withstand the difference for a longer period of time than Yakima or Seattle. Look into cause and effect stretched over time. Just because it has not happened in 1 year does not mean it is not happening or that it would have a much greater impact in a much less wealthy demographic.
Corporate profits are setting records, yet credulous idiots like spooge and turdbuffer don't think the market will bear a $15/hr wage. This when the median wage in Seattle is something like $60k or more and a mid-century rambler that needs a lot of work will fetch $650,000 with multiple offers.
Bill: Alaskan Amber is 9.99 a 6 pack at my local store. Last year it was 7.99. That's not 25%, but it is 20%. Literally every item at the grocery store, corner store, or restaurant has increased at least 15% over the past year.
The unusually hi-paying jobs among younger, single workers, also makes Seattle an unusual environment to measure the effects since they easily absorb the price increases without sacrificing much of their consumption.
I don't think $15 will hurt Seattle overall, but it's going to change things where, for example, a person pays 1/2 of a barrista's hourly wage by buying one coffee drink.
Well you're buying your beer at the wrong place BROTHER, because I just bought a sixer of Lagunita at Trader Joe's for 7.99. An Americano still costs about 2.50 plus tip, an inexpensive haircut is still $20-25, and if most restaurants have changed their pricing structures outside of the trend I haven't noticed.
If you aren't buying cases from Costco, you're failing.
Hey now! Let's not forget the props for Rite Aid. And they sell Oly tall boys, cheap! Relevant because 1. Clint Eastwood featured Oly in his orangutan movies, and 2. Sonny Sixkiller probably downed about 2000 cans of Oly per year at UW.
Schedule 1 employers shall pay each employee an hourly minimum wage of at least:
$11.00 by April 1, 2015 $13.00 by January 1, 2016 $15.00 by January 1, 2017
There are also small business exemptions.
Here's the reality of $15 an hour minimum wage.
Costs will raise, to meet the demand of too many dollars chasing too few goods. It is a fact of life.
$15 an hour will then be the same as $10 an hour.
This is a union driven negotiation tract.
Not only is the minimum wage going up, but there is now also a baseline for unions to negotiate off of. This gives unions more power, union members more disposable income ...
And $15 an hour ... becomes $10 an hour in relative terms.
Shitstain, serious question. Ever looked at reality with the effects of minimum wage? There's a long history of minimum wage hikes in the US to glean information from. Might even have been taught in an economics class.
Shitstain, serious question. Ever looked at reality with the effects of minimum wage? There's a long history of minimum wage hikes in the US to glean information from. Might even have been taught in an economics class.
So that's a definite and resounding "NO" for Hondo. Doogy?
Corporate profits are setting records, yet credulous idiots like spooge and turdbuffer don't think the market will bear a $15/hr wage. This when the median wage in Seattle is something like $60k or more and a mid-century rambler that needs a lot of work will fetch $650,000 with multiple offers.
Doogy: You've got some legitimate gripes. Housing is fucked because city planners are sucking dick for all those hi paying jobs and the pet-project-funding taxes they bring with them. But it crunches the housing market causing rents and prices to skyrocket. $15 per hour will only temporarily dent that problem, not fix it.
You're essentially robbing Peter to pay Paul, and not scratching "corporate profits" or the infamous 1%. Neither gives a shit, unless or until the aggregate costs climb too high, at which point they'll blackmail the City, County and State, as Boeing has taught the Googles, Amazons, and the Microsofts to do, following suit from the NFL and MLB before, and which, if not capitulated to with tax exemptions, will close up shop and move elsewhere. No, you're not touching them. You're hitting the retiree buying a gallon of milk, the family going out to dinner, and yourself. One big circle.
Corporate profits are setting records, yet credulous idiots like spooge and turdbuffer don't think the market will bear a $15/hr wage. This when the median wage in Seattle is something like $60k or more and a mid-century rambler that needs a lot of work will fetch $650,000 with multiple offers.
I have no problem with large corporations buckling up for a gradual 5-10% cost increase over a multi-year period. But I don't like small businesses or franchises being subject to the same rules. And that's a problem because you'll have a pretty inefficient labor market if you have different sets of minimum wages for different companies. It won't work.
The only reasonable approach I see is to tie the wage to inflation so that the minimum wage (in real dollars) stops it's continued, decades-long fall. The minimum wage should never aspire to provide for a comfortable, middle class lifestyle, but it should be enough to provide for some (minimal) level of savings that can be used for future upward mobility (saving for college, trade school, starting a business, etc). Right now it is well below that goal and is continuing to widen the gap.
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What really is going to happen? Your favorite fast food costs you another dollar? Does anyone really eat enough fast food for that to matter?
Prices are up significantly, and by that I mean at least 10%, but in my area, Safeway is up about 10 to 12%, while Met Market is more like 18% to 20% - but that's the Yuppy Market in my hood.
Problem in Seattle is that housing costs and especially rent will keep pace with wage increases, so the relief people are feeling will be short-lived as the short-falls once again present themselves. The only way out of that trap is higher-paying jobs well above minimum wage, but Sawant & Co. have young folks thinking they'll be fine once the minimum wage hits $15. Not gonna happen with rents and prices going up, and we'll be talking about raising it again to $18 or $20. More dollars chasing same amount of goods = inflation, but somehow that's lost in the discussion.
Nice try
Schedule 1 employers shall pay each employee an hourly minimum wage of at least:
$11.00 by April 1, 2015
$13.00 by January 1, 2016
$15.00 by January 1, 2017
There are also small business exemptions.
Here's the reality of $15 an hour minimum wage.
Costs will raise, to meet the demand of too many dollars chasing too few goods. It is a fact of life.
$15 an hour will then be the same as $10 an hour.
This is a union driven negotiation tract.
Not only is the minimum wage going up, but there is now also a baseline for unions to negotiate off of. This gives unions more power, union members more disposable income ...
And $15 an hour ... becomes $10 an hour in relative terms.
But you liberal assholes already know this.
Got any more faux news stories?
You're essentially robbing Peter to pay Paul, and not scratching "corporate profits" or the infamous 1%. Neither gives a shit, unless or until the aggregate costs climb too high, at which point they'll blackmail the City, County and State, as Boeing has taught the Googles, Amazons, and the Microsofts to do, following suit from the NFL and MLB before, and which, if not capitulated to with tax exemptions, will close up shop and move elsewhere. No, you're not touching them. You're hitting the retiree buying a gallon of milk, the family going out to dinner, and yourself. One big circle.
The only reasonable approach I see is to tie the wage to inflation so that the minimum wage (in real dollars) stops it's continued, decades-long fall. The minimum wage should never aspire to provide for a comfortable, middle class lifestyle, but it should be enough to provide for some (minimal) level of savings that can be used for future upward mobility (saving for college, trade school, starting a business, etc). Right now it is well below that goal and is continuing to widen the gap.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.t03.htm