Are you guys scared of Bernie yet?
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You say Obama was a better campaigner but Bernies poll numbers keep rising and he's doing it while bein brushed off by the media. The Democratic Party itself has tried to bury him. Friday and Saturday night debates, give me a break. But he hasn't gone away.RaceBannon said:I said Hillary won't be the nominee quite some time ago. First!
Can't agree that Bernie can win it all though.
I was sure McGovern could beat Nixon. He did a couple states.
Obama 08 was a far more rational and better campaigner than Bern. He ran as a quasi moderate who would bring hope and change. Bernie is real angry white male candidate
You say he's angry. I say the country wants angry. -
No I dont think Obama was elected for his policies.dnc said:
Your argument is awesome, with just one major flaw - you think Obama got elected because of his policies. Obama got elected in a landslide because a) people were sick of Bush b) he had a fresh face (always about the blicks!) c) he oozed charisma d) he talked like a socialist.allpurpleallgold said:Endorsements are rolling in. Polling is up. Clinton is scared. It's going to be funny when the people that tore Hilary down realize what's standing behind her.
And here's the scary truth. Bernie Sanders already won a presidential election in a fucking landslide. It was 2008. America thought Obama was Sanders and he ran away with it. And even though you spent the last 8 years pretending Obama was that guy, he was really closer to the center. But we still want that guy, the most liberal socialist leftist president this country has ever seen, and we're gonna fucking get him.
Bernie only has one of those four things, and I'd argue it was the least significant of those factors for Obama.
The one thing I will say is that the right cried wolf (WOOF?) a bit by labeling Obama socialist and that has taken the sting out of the word for Bernie. But still, I might be scared of Bernie's politics, but I am not scared of Bernie getting elected. Not in the least.
The best possible thing for the GOP is for the Democrats to nominate an old white guy.
I think that America thought Obama was Bernie Sanders. In a nicer package, certainly. And that really really helped. I don't think Sanders could have won in 2008 because of that package. But I think that package works now.
Race pointed out that Obama ran as a quasi moderate, you pointed out that he talked like socialist and that's my point. People thought Obama was an outsider socialist. Everyone thought it. That's why the right spent all this time calling him one. And I think you will be shocked at how many people actually want that. But you shouldn't be because they already voted for someone that they thought was that guy. -
I know Bernie is rising. I called it. Hillary is a horrible campaigner and you and I agree the country wants angry. The question is which angry. Looks now like both parties are going angry. Both parties are trying to bury the front runner or fast riser. (everybody does it?)allpurpleallgold said:
You say Obama was a better campaigner but Bernies poll numbers keep rising and he's doing it while bein brushed off by the media. The Democratic Party itself has tried to bury him. Friday and Saturday night debates, give me a break. But he hasn't gone away.RaceBannon said:I said Hillary won't be the nominee quite some time ago. First!
Can't agree that Bernie can win it all though.
I was sure McGovern could beat Nixon. He did a couple states.
Obama 08 was a far more rational and better campaigner than Bern. He ran as a quasi moderate who would bring hope and change. Bernie is real angry white male candidate
You say he's angry. I say the country wants angry.
I'm not sure the majority are all that enamored with the actual results of Obama's quasi socialist agenda but we'll find out. We (?) tend to lurch back and forth. It should be a turn back to the right this November. If not, then the country will continue in the direction it is going. -
See: Trump, Donaldallpurpleallgold said:RaceBannon said:I said Hillary won't be the nominee quite some time ago. First!
Can't agree that Bernie can win it all though.
I was sure McGovern could beat Nixon. He did a couple states.
Obama 08 was a far more rational and better campaigner than Bern. He ran as a quasi moderate who would bring hope and change. Bernie is real angry white male candidate
You say he's angry. I say the country wants angry. -
Too much frustration over too many of Obama's "transformative" policies. Obama fatigue will not beget Sanders.RaceBannon said:
I know Bernie is rising. I called it. Hillary is a horrible campaigner and you and I agree the country wants angry. The question is which angry. Looks now like both parties are going angry. Both parties are trying to bury the front runner or fast riser. (everybody does it?)allpurpleallgold said:
You say Obama was a better campaigner but Bernies poll numbers keep rising and he's doing it while bein brushed off by the media. The Democratic Party itself has tried to bury him. Friday and Saturday night debates, give me a break. But he hasn't gone away.RaceBannon said:I said Hillary won't be the nominee quite some time ago. First!
Can't agree that Bernie can win it all though.
I was sure McGovern could beat Nixon. He did a couple states.
Obama 08 was a far more rational and better campaigner than Bern. He ran as a quasi moderate who would bring hope and change. Bernie is real angry white male candidate
You say he's angry. I say the country wants angry.
I'm not sure the majority are all that enamored with the actual results of Obama's quasi socialist agenda but we'll find out. We (?) tend to lurch back and forth. It should be a turn back to the right this November. If not, then the country will continue in the direction it is going. -
I think Bernie is going to win. We learned nothing from Obama. Let's double down!
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When I hear people tells why they are voting for Bernie it is pretty much the exact same Robin Hood bullshit from the first Obama election.
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The other thing is if the country is so angry isn't that anger at Obama or the results of his presidency?
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Wow, I am shocked a message board full of dickheads. Talk that shit to my face and see how funny it is assholes.
BTW - 3.9 GPA already scored enough on the ACT as a 9th grader to be eligible. o all you dickheads, yes you know who you are, STFU. -
Obama's approval rating is what, 4, 5? times the approval rating of Congress.RaceBannon said:The other thing is if the country is so angry isn't that anger at Obama or the results of his presidency?
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Fuck off
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Only a certain type of person thinks a Sanders presidency would look anything like an Obama presidency. And those people ain't voting democrat, regardless.RaceBannon said:The other thing is if the country is so angry isn't that anger at Obama or the results of his presidency?
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That's a good point. Bernie is running to the left of Obama - instead of Obamacare go single payer, stuff like that.allpurpleallgold said:
Only a certain type of person thinks a Sanders presidency would look anything like an Obama presidency. And those people ain't voting democrat.RaceBannon said:The other thing is if the country is so angry isn't that anger at Obama or the results of his presidency?
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2001400ex said:
Obama's approval rating is what, 4, 5? times the approval rating of Congress.RaceBannon said:The other thing is if the country is so angry isn't that anger at Obama or the results of his presidency?
SarkGilby is better than Ty?
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Bernie has a very good chance to win. His biggest support comes from the dumbest, most entitled, fastest growing group in America. The 18-24 year old college students. Registered college student voters turned out at an 87% rate in 2008, that voter turn out is not matched by any other demographic.
I'm not worried about Bernie winning though, because I learned a few years ago, about taking care of myself. I am close to getting everything but my mortgage paid off. Once that happens, there isn't anything Bernie and his retarded group of entitled followers can do to me.
What's sad is that these same college students will get their free education, but the degree will be worth as much as what they paid for it, because there won't be much opportunity waiting for them when they graduate.
Teachers- class sizes are growing. Meaning that job rate for teachers is stagnant.
Doctors- Obamacare has transferred profits from doctors into administrative costs of the program. So now Doctors take in more patients at a portion of the income they were once making.
Nursing- see doctors
Tech industry- Natural evolution of technology is making more and more work capable with fewer personnel.
Lawyers/Law Enforcement- With the uptick in social uproar that will occur under Bernie's watch, these two professions, might give the most opportunity for employment. Law Enforcement might be out of the question, because the typical Bernie supporter lacks the fortitude to be in this type of profession. Lawyer on the other hand...there's the ticket.
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I'm not afraid of any president. The country will continue to shift toward more statist/authoritative/socialist/interventionist policies like it has been for a very long time.
But at some point, it will all fall apart. Once we started getting the government involved in complicated matters, it was like we started building a house of cards that will immediately collapse unless we keep adding to it. So we keep adding to it....but that just means it's going to collapse harder once it gets too big. -
I haven't followed it closely the last couple of months, has Bernie made inroads with minority voters? Last I looked no one liked him except white people. He might beat Hillary in Iowa and New Hampshire on the backs of whiteys, but he's not winning the democratic nomination without anyone else giving a fuck about him.allpurpleallgold said:
No I dont think Obama was elected for his policies.dnc said:
Your argument is awesome, with just one major flaw - you think Obama got elected because of his policies. Obama got elected in a landslide because a) people were sick of Bush b) he had a fresh face (always about the blicks!) c) he oozed charisma d) he talked like a socialist.allpurpleallgold said:Endorsements are rolling in. Polling is up. Clinton is scared. It's going to be funny when the people that tore Hilary down realize what's standing behind her.
And here's the scary truth. Bernie Sanders already won a presidential election in a fucking landslide. It was 2008. America thought Obama was Sanders and he ran away with it. And even though you spent the last 8 years pretending Obama was that guy, he was really closer to the center. But we still want that guy, the most liberal socialist leftist president this country has ever seen, and we're gonna fucking get him.
Bernie only has one of those four things, and I'd argue it was the least significant of those factors for Obama.
The one thing I will say is that the right cried wolf (WOOF?) a bit by labeling Obama socialist and that has taken the sting out of the word for Bernie. But still, I might be scared of Bernie's politics, but I am not scared of Bernie getting elected. Not in the least.
The best possible thing for the GOP is for the Democrats to nominate an old white guy.
I think that America thought Obama was Bernie Sanders. In a nicer package, certainly. And that really really helped. I don't think Sanders could have won in 2008 because of that package. But I think that package works now.
Race pointed out that Obama ran as a quasi moderate, you pointed out that he talked like socialist and that's my point. People thought Obama was an outsider socialist. Everyone thought it. That's why the right spent all this time calling him one. And I think you will be shocked at how many people actually want that. But you shouldn't be because they already voted for someone that they thought was that guy.
And it's pretty clear the Democrats aren't letting Bernie win anyway. -
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I haven't seen any new polling either way on that for a while. He's made a nice effort to get them. I don't think it's crazy to think that block could swing in a big way. They already turned out against Hilary once. Just a matter of if Sanders can reach them.dnc said:
I haven't followed it closely the last couple of months, has Bernie made inroads with minority voters? Last I looked no one liked him except white people. He might beat Hillary in Iowa and New Hampshire on the backs of whiteys, but he's not winning the democratic nomination without anyone else giving a fuck about him.allpurpleallgold said:
No I dont think Obama was elected for his policies.dnc said:
Your argument is awesome, with just one major flaw - you think Obama got elected because of his policies. Obama got elected in a landslide because a) people were sick of Bush b) he had a fresh face (always about the blicks!) c) he oozed charisma d) he talked like a socialist.allpurpleallgold said:Endorsements are rolling in. Polling is up. Clinton is scared. It's going to be funny when the people that tore Hilary down realize what's standing behind her.
And here's the scary truth. Bernie Sanders already won a presidential election in a fucking landslide. It was 2008. America thought Obama was Sanders and he ran away with it. And even though you spent the last 8 years pretending Obama was that guy, he was really closer to the center. But we still want that guy, the most liberal socialist leftist president this country has ever seen, and we're gonna fucking get him.
Bernie only has one of those four things, and I'd argue it was the least significant of those factors for Obama.
The one thing I will say is that the right cried wolf (WOOF?) a bit by labeling Obama socialist and that has taken the sting out of the word for Bernie. But still, I might be scared of Bernie's politics, but I am not scared of Bernie getting elected. Not in the least.
The best possible thing for the GOP is for the Democrats to nominate an old white guy.
I think that America thought Obama was Bernie Sanders. In a nicer package, certainly. And that really really helped. I don't think Sanders could have won in 2008 because of that package. But I think that package works now.
Race pointed out that Obama ran as a quasi moderate, you pointed out that he talked like socialist and that's my point. People thought Obama was an outsider socialist. Everyone thought it. That's why the right spent all this time calling him one. And I think you will be shocked at how many people actually want that. But you shouldn't be because they already voted for someone that they thought was that guy.
And it's pretty clear the Democrats aren't letting Bernie win anyway. -
The only thing that scares me about Bernie is that Trumps odds to get to the WH go up exponentially if he wins the nomination. The hipster wing won't get him in.allpurpleallgold said:Endorsements are rolling in. Polling is up. Clinton is scared. It's going to be funny when the people that tore Hilary down realize what's standing behind her.
And here's the scary truth. Bernie Sanders already won a presidential election in a fucking landslide. It was 2008. America thought Obama was Sanders and he ran away with it. And even though you spent the last 8 years pretending Obama was that guy, he was really closer to the center. But we still want that guy, the most liberal socialist leftist president this country has ever seen, and we're gonna fucking get him. -
Paul Tsongas or GTFO!!!!sarktastic said:Dems should just recycle Michael Dukakis rather than go outside the party to find a token candidate
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Once again Hondo races to the bottom.2001400ex said:
Obama's approval rating is what, 4, 5? times the approval rating of Congress.RaceBannon said:The other thing is if the country is so angry isn't that anger at Obama or the results of his presidency?
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Disagree.salemcoog said:
The only thing that scares me about Bernie is that Trumps odds to get to the WH go up exponentially if he wins the nomination. The hipster wing won't get him in.allpurpleallgold said:Endorsements are rolling in. Polling is up. Clinton is scared. It's going to be funny when the people that tore Hilary down realize what's standing behind her.
And here's the scary truth. Bernie Sanders already won a presidential election in a fucking landslide. It was 2008. America thought Obama was Sanders and he ran away with it. And even though you spent the last 8 years pretending Obama was that guy, he was really closer to the center. But we still want that guy, the most liberal socialist leftist president this country has ever seen, and we're gonna fucking get him.
Trump winning the GOP nomination is basically handing the election to Bernie.
Nothing will spur voter turnout from the apathetic Left more than keeping Trump out of the WH. -
I'll take that betThomasFremont said:
Disagree.salemcoog said:
The only thing that scares me about Bernie is that Trumps odds to get to the WH go up exponentially if he wins the nomination. The hipster wing won't get him in.allpurpleallgold said:Endorsements are rolling in. Polling is up. Clinton is scared. It's going to be funny when the people that tore Hilary down realize what's standing behind her.
And here's the scary truth. Bernie Sanders already won a presidential election in a fucking landslide. It was 2008. America thought Obama was Sanders and he ran away with it. And even though you spent the last 8 years pretending Obama was that guy, he was really closer to the center. But we still want that guy, the most liberal socialist leftist president this country has ever seen, and we're gonna fucking get him.
Trump winning the GOP nomination is basically handing the election to Bernie.
Nothing will spur voter turnout from the apathetic Left more than keeping Trump out of the WH. -
Isn't that the exact same argument about Sanders spurring turnout from the right?ThomasFremont said:
Disagree.salemcoog said:
The only thing that scares me about Bernie is that Trumps odds to get to the WH go up exponentially if he wins the nomination. The hipster wing won't get him in.allpurpleallgold said:Endorsements are rolling in. Polling is up. Clinton is scared. It's going to be funny when the people that tore Hilary down realize what's standing behind her.
And here's the scary truth. Bernie Sanders already won a presidential election in a fucking landslide. It was 2008. America thought Obama was Sanders and he ran away with it. And even though you spent the last 8 years pretending Obama was that guy, he was really closer to the center. But we still want that guy, the most liberal socialist leftist president this country has ever seen, and we're gonna fucking get him.
Trump winning the GOP nomination is basically handing the election to Bernie.
Nothing will spur voter turnout from the apathetic Left more than keeping Trump out of the WH.
Trump versus Sanders would be a disaster for the cuntry but it would be interesting as fuck. -
I think you need to pump the brakes until like, ya know... a primary actually occurs???allpurpleallgold said:
You say Obama was a better campaigner but Bernies poll numbers keep rising and he's doing it while bein brushed off by the media. The Democratic Party itself has tried to bury him. Friday and Saturday night debates, give me a break. But he hasn't gone away.RaceBannon said:I said Hillary won't be the nominee quite some time ago. First!
Can't agree that Bernie can win it all though.
I was sure McGovern could beat Nixon. He did a couple states.
Obama 08 was a far more rational and better campaigner than Bern. He ran as a quasi moderate who would bring hope and change. Bernie is real angry white male candidate
You say he's angry. I say the country wants angry. -
No. It's not the same.dnc said:
Isn't that the exact same argument about Sanders spurring turnout from the right?ThomasFremont said:
Disagree.salemcoog said:
The only thing that scares me about Bernie is that Trumps odds to get to the WH go up exponentially if he wins the nomination. The hipster wing won't get him in.allpurpleallgold said:Endorsements are rolling in. Polling is up. Clinton is scared. It's going to be funny when the people that tore Hilary down realize what's standing behind her.
And here's the scary truth. Bernie Sanders already won a presidential election in a fucking landslide. It was 2008. America thought Obama was Sanders and he ran away with it. And even though you spent the last 8 years pretending Obama was that guy, he was really closer to the center. But we still want that guy, the most liberal socialist leftist president this country has ever seen, and we're gonna fucking get him.
Trump winning the GOP nomination is basically handing the election to Bernie.
Nothing will spur voter turnout from the apathetic Left more than keeping Trump out of the WH.
Trump versus Sanders would be a disaster for the cuntry but it would be interesting as fuck.
Obama ran twice and it didn't matter.
Bernie is an old white guy saying a bunch of the same things. And unlike Obama, he has a long record that gives him credibility. Obama had to fight his lack of experience (remember "executive experience" being a thing?) the entire election.
So lets see, he's not black, he's not inexperienced, and unlike Clinton, he doesn't have to hide from his record.
Trump on the other hand has that Sarah Palin bat shit crazy quality that scares liberals and independents, but fires up the base that vote Republican regardless.
Axe McCain how that strategy worked out. -
20% of democrats are for Trump in polling.
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Great pre-season rankings post.RaceBannon said:20% of democrats are for Trump in polling.
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All I got from this post is that I want a three way with Sarah Palin and Trumps daughter.ThomasFremont said:
No. It's not the same.dnc said:
Isn't that the exact same argument about Sanders spurring turnout from the right?ThomasFremont said:
Disagree.salemcoog said:
The only thing that scares me about Bernie is that Trumps odds to get to the WH go up exponentially if he wins the nomination. The hipster wing won't get him in.allpurpleallgold said:Endorsements are rolling in. Polling is up. Clinton is scared. It's going to be funny when the people that tore Hilary down realize what's standing behind her.
And here's the scary truth. Bernie Sanders already won a presidential election in a fucking landslide. It was 2008. America thought Obama was Sanders and he ran away with it. And even though you spent the last 8 years pretending Obama was that guy, he was really closer to the center. But we still want that guy, the most liberal socialist leftist president this country has ever seen, and we're gonna fucking get him.
Trump winning the GOP nomination is basically handing the election to Bernie.
Nothing will spur voter turnout from the apathetic Left more than keeping Trump out of the WH.
Trump versus Sanders would be a disaster for the cuntry but it would be interesting as fuck.
Obama ran twice and it didn't matter.
Bernie is an old white guy saying a bunch of the same things. And unlike Obama, he has a long record that gives him credibility. Obama had to fight his lack of experience (remember "executive experience" being a thing?) the entire election.
So lets see, he's not black, he's not inexperienced, and unlike Clinton, he doesn't have to hide from his record.
Trump on the other hand has that Sarah Palin bat shit crazy quality that scares liberals and independents, but fires up the base that vote Republican regardless.
Axe McCain how that strategy worked out.
