With Sark being the consensus favorite to win pac12..

puppylove_sugarsteel

You were my 100th reply. You now hold a special place in my heart Thomass. We did it together ;-)

ThomasFremont

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

You were my 100th reply. You now hold a special place in my heart Thomass. We did it together ;-)

Congratulations, Bran.

TierbsHsotBoobs

Tequilla said:

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

Fremont, 75-80% of the national titles are won by upperclassmen QBs. (Now thats an educated estimate Tommy), so dont spend 2 days of research and spring 74% on the bored with your silly little torch vid. Watch more than 2 years of college football and check back. OK twinkle toes?

Just for shits and giggles ... last 10 National Championship QBs:

2014: Ohio State (JT Barrett - Frosh, Cardale Jones - Soph)
2013: Florida State (Jameis Winston - Frosh)
2012: Alabama (AJ McCarron - Junior)
2011: Alabama (AJ McCarron - Sophomore)
2010: Auburn (Cam Newton - Junior)
2009: Alabama (Greg McElroy - Junior)
2008: Florida (Tim Tebow - Junior)
2007: LSU (Matt Flynn - Senior)
2006: Florida (Chris Leak - Senior)
2005: Texas (Vince Young - Junior)

Now, PL_SS is going to look at that list and puff his chest.

But what's interesting to this list to me is the number of QBs that won with little experience going into the season. Each of the last 2 years that was the case. When McCarron won in 2011 he took over for McElroy. Newton's title came in his first year as a starter. Flynn was a backup to Randle and Russell before starting as a senior.

What I think you can conclude from the list is that the extra maturity that comes with being in your 3rd to 5th year within the program is a helpful trait in winning a national championship, the experience that comes with it of having had 25+ starts going into the season isn't necessarily a predictor of success. If anything, what this list proves is that QBs in college football can be as dependent upon the system and players around them as their own special and unique talents.

Now, before people go twisting, Cyler Miles still sucks as a QB and Jonathan Smith has a "prove it" to me bullseye on himself going forward.

All I saw was SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC

Tequilla

I like to ask for intelligent football conversation ...

Then when you get football talk you need an anal bleaching for how puckered your ass gets

PL_SS playbook 101

dhdawg

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

PurpleJ said:

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

PurpleJ said:

People forget that PLSS was in full support of Sark through year 5.

I believe a head coach deserves 5 years, as most with a clue agree. Just as Peter should get 5 years.

What if Pete goes 0-12 next year? Does he still get an automatic 5 years?

5 years

you said Brady Hoke needed 5 years, case closed

TierbsHsotBoobs

dhdawg said:

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

PurpleJ said:

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

PurpleJ said:

People forget that PLSS was in full support of Sark through year 5.

I believe a head coach deserves 5 years, as most with a clue agree. Just as Peter should get 5 years.

What if Pete goes 0-12 next year? Does he still get an automatic 5 years?

5 years

you said Brady Hoke needed 5 years, case closed

I'm still pissed that Gilby and Ty didn't get their full five years.

TierbsHsotBoobs

Tequilla said:

I like to ask for intelligent football conversation ...

Then when you get football talk you need an anal bleaching for how puckered your ass gets

PL_SS playbook 101

YBE

dhdawg

Tequilla said:

Kessler is really good at throwing the WR screen and slants when his WRs beat DBs by 5 yards.

He's losing most of his talented WRs ...

We know WR screens don't work great against good teams.

Kessler's stats in SC losses last year:

@ BC: 31 of 41 for 317 and 4 TDs (7.7 YPA)

vs ASU: 28 of 45 for 273 and 0 TDs (6.1 YPA)

@ Utah: 24 of 32 for 264 and 1 TD (8.3 YPA)

@ UCLA: 22 of 34 for 214 and 1 TD (6.3 YPA)

Two things stand out here. First, 3 road losses ... standard Seven. Second, the yards per attempt aren't really that great. He averaged 8.5 yards per attempt last year. In each of their losses, he was up to 2.4 yards per attempt less per game.

One of the big criticisms of Seven is that his teams put up huge numbers against overmatched teams ... the numbers above suggest that that is the case.

this, kessler like sark beat up on bad teams and was mediocre against good competition.
Best returning QB in the country? el oh el

AZDuck

Tequilla said:

I like to ask for intelligent football conversation ...

Then when you get football talk you need an anal bleaching for how puckered your ass gets

PL_SS playbook 101

CFetters_Nacho_Lover

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

Fremont, 75-80% of the national titles are won by upperclassmen QBs. (Now thats an educated estimate Tommy), so dont spend 2 days of research and spring 74% on the bored with your silly little torch vid. Watch more than 2 years of college football and check back. OK twinkle toes?

75-80% of the national titles are won by upperclassmen QBs for a reason.

Typically, an overwhelming majority of national titles are won by greats coaches with exceptions in the cases of guys like Larry Coker and Gene Chidzik.

Great coaches build programs on some type of foundation that includes a process where they try to build up team depth through red-shirting and effective roster management.

That process by itself tends to produce teams that are predominantly built around upperclassmen including at the QB position but in now way does that mean an upperclassmen QB by itself is an indicator a team will win a conference or national championship.

And if you wanted to dig a little deeper (like your Dawgman buddy Kim would suggest <--------faggoty wink), you'd also understand that the majority of national champions are from the days when freshmen were automatically red-shirted but that's too much thinking for a scholar like PLSSFS.