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TM for the M4 states that maximum effective range for area targets is 600 meters. This guy had elevation and certainly an easy target to aim at, just surprised he hit so many.BearsWiin said:
Going off memory, the effective range of the 55-grain FMJ 5.56mm round is about 500 meters. Muzzle velocity of about 3000fps, and small cross-section means that air drag doesn't slow it down too quickly. Obviously hard to hit a single target at 500 meters without a serious scope, but easy to hit something, anything, when firing indiscriminately into a crowd.AZDuck said:
Goddamn. 400+ yards. If he was using an AR, I'm surprised the 5.56 rounds still had enough juice to kill at that range. -
You can download the Strelok or Applied Ballistics app and know your drop in thirty seconds. Every range finder has an angle arc compensator in it now out to 800 yards.AZDuck said:
TM for the M4 states that maximum effective range for area targets is 600 meters. This guy had elevation and certainly an easy target to aim at, just surprised he hit so many.BearsWiin said:
Going off memory, the effective range of the 55-grain FMJ 5.56mm round is about 500 meters. Muzzle velocity of about 3000fps, and small cross-section means that air drag doesn't slow it down too quickly. Obviously hard to hit a single target at 500 meters without a serious scope, but easy to hit something, anything, when firing indiscriminately into a crowd.AZDuck said:
Goddamn. 400+ yards. If he was using an AR, I'm surprised the 5.56 rounds still had enough juice to kill at that range.
One click of the button for range, another click for holdover. It's really that simple. There wasn't much wind so you're only talking maybe a half an MOA of drift.
It's hard to fail at shooting these days. -
Hondo''s president out blaming the NRA this morning
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well fuck me with my iron sights and Kentucky windage, huh?Mosster47 said:
You can download the Strelok or Applied Ballistics app and know your drop in thirty seconds. Every range finder has an angle arc compensator in it now out to 800 yards.AZDuck said:
TM for the M4 states that maximum effective range for area targets is 600 meters. This guy had elevation and certainly an easy target to aim at, just surprised he hit so many.BearsWiin said:
Going off memory, the effective range of the 55-grain FMJ 5.56mm round is about 500 meters. Muzzle velocity of about 3000fps, and small cross-section means that air drag doesn't slow it down too quickly. Obviously hard to hit a single target at 500 meters without a serious scope, but easy to hit something, anything, when firing indiscriminately into a crowd.AZDuck said:
Goddamn. 400+ yards. If he was using an AR, I'm surprised the 5.56 rounds still had enough juice to kill at that range.
One click of the button for range, another click for holdover. It's really that simple. There wasn't much wind so you're only talking maybe a half an MOA of drift.
It's hard to fail at shooting these days. -
If I had my druthers, we'd be closer to Great Britain- i.e., Shotguns and Hunting Rifles only - and to own any fireman, you have to have a doc certify that you aren't nuts. That said, this isn't realistic in the US, but the idealist in me would like to see something like a complete semi automatic rifle (maybe semi shot guns too) ban; and extremely intrusive regs on handgun ownership + limits on magazine capacity- i.e., if you want to own a piece you have to go through the ringer. Obviously with something like this you're talking about a massive buy back program. Moving on to illegally owned guns - significant jail time/fines if you break the rules. Alas, this is all a pipe dream so feel free to WTF all you want.
The gun control regimes that work best are none (e.g., Japan) or extremely restrictive (e.g., UK) BUT we could be doing a hell of a lot better than we are now. 10 rifles in a Las Vegas hotel room is not a well regulated militia guaranteeing our liberty. -
Well that's fine for shooting deer out to 150 yards.AZDuck said:
well fuck me with my iron sights and Kentucky windage, huh?Mosster47 said:
You can download the Strelok or Applied Ballistics app and know your drop in thirty seconds. Every range finder has an angle arc compensator in it now out to 800 yards.AZDuck said:
TM for the M4 states that maximum effective range for area targets is 600 meters. This guy had elevation and certainly an easy target to aim at, just surprised he hit so many.BearsWiin said:
Going off memory, the effective range of the 55-grain FMJ 5.56mm round is about 500 meters. Muzzle velocity of about 3000fps, and small cross-section means that air drag doesn't slow it down too quickly. Obviously hard to hit a single target at 500 meters without a serious scope, but easy to hit something, anything, when firing indiscriminately into a crowd.AZDuck said:
Goddamn. 400+ yards. If he was using an AR, I'm surprised the 5.56 rounds still had enough juice to kill at that range.
One click of the button for range, another click for holdover. It's really that simple. There wasn't much wind so you're only talking maybe a half an MOA of drift.
It's hard to fail at shooting these days. -
How about this - every gun be registered and licensed and have transactions tracked with title registered with the state, you know, like cars.
And then have everyone who wants to own and fire a gun take a gun safety course and submit an affidavit or a doctor's certification that he isn't crazy or extremely depressed. A prescription for Prozac is fine, a prescription for Lithium would be disqualifying. And then give them a license. You know, like cars.
And yeah, magazine capacity and fire capacity of weapons should probably be looked at.
But really, I think the onus needs to fall on our 2nd Amendment enthusiasts. You like guns? Cool!
Tell us how to make them reasonably safe and protect the general public, and you can keep them! -
The shooter was in possession of an illegal weapon and used it for illegal purposes.
Not a single additional gun law would have done shit. -
Bullshit.doogie said:The shooter was in possession of an illegal weapon and used it for illegal purposes.
Not a single additional gun law would have done shit.
https://youtu.be/MtoAunyUaFU -
Are you just going to hang on that emotion or try to provide some logic to back up your claim
