The adults in the room
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Time to privatize fire stations now too. Don't be angry when a firetruck pulls up to your next car accident, because your car appeared to be smoking, then you get a $35,000 bill in the mail from the fire department, because they had to bring out their ultimate, fire truck for your accident, since the others were busy at other car accidents, which also appeared to have smoking cars.
The problem is that hospitals can charge you whatever they want to. I think it needs to be taken over by the government and the government needs to contain and control the costs. Half of Americans can't afford the current health care system, and it's getting worse every year...soon it'll be over 60%+. Medical tests, diagnoses, and procedures in the U.S. can usually cost over 10X that of some European countries. The medical system is fuct, IMO, and about to give soon. I think it's destined to be socialized. Unemployment is going permanently up over the next 30 years. -
I for one welcome our new robot overlords.priapism said:Time to privatize fire stations now too. Don't be angry when a firetruck pulls up to your next car accident, because your car appeared to be smoking, then you get a $35,000 bill in the mail from the fire department, because they had to bring out their ultimate, fire truck for your accident, since the others were busy at other car accidents, which also appeared to have smoking cars.
The problem is that hospitals can charge you whatever they want to. I think it needs to be taken over by the government and the government needs to contain and control the costs. Half of Americans can't afford the current health care system, and it's getting worse every year...soon it'll be over 60%+. Medical tests, diagnoses, and procedures in the U.S. can usually cost over 10X that of some European countries. The medical system is fuct, IMO, and about to give soon. I think it's destined to be socialized. Unemployment is going permanently up over the next 30 years. -
This is my favorite post of the last 5 months here.PurpleJ said:My wife hasn't been born yet.
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The actual adults in the room just told the House to fuck off:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/04/house-health-care-bill-senate-doa-238000 -
Sounds like they passed the bill so they could find out what's in it.
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This is why I own health care funds. It's a small way to get in on the obscene profiteering. I'd gladly give up those profits in exchange for a more cost-effective Medicare for All system.priapism said:
The problem is that hospitals can charge you whatever they want to. I think it needs to be taken over by the government and the government needs to contain and control the costs. Half of Americans can't afford the current health care system, and it's getting worse every year...soon it'll be over 60%+. Medical tests, diagnoses, and procedures in the U.S. can usually cost over 10X that of some European countries. The medical system is fuct, IMO, and about to give soon. I think it's destined to be socialized. Unemployment is going permanently up over the next 30 years. -
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Fix the VA and we can talk.
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What's his name going to be?PurpleJ said:My wife hasn't been born yet.
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STFU. You multiple shit poasted and linked multiple BS articles that said expanding the territories in which insurers do business wouldn't help to create lower rates and better plans. Just jump off the building already.2001400ex said:
This bill doesn't help save the exchanges. All they need to do is allow insurance companies to sell inside the entire state and get rid of the county boundaries that currently exist. So broke farming counties that vote Republican can have more than one insurance company.RaceBannon said:In 2012 the democrats lost seats. Obama is to this day personally popular. His party paid for his sins.
Obamacare sucked hard. we fucked the 96% for the 4% who got care regardless of how you called it. Breaking out the precondition folks and just writing a check like we always have allows the vast majority to pick and choose among a wider option of plans.
The exchanges are all but dead. The 20 million "new" insured didn't pay for their insurance. It was a completely retarded approach that took 17 months to pass and 8 weeks to get rid of -
Fix the VA and we can talk.salemcoog said:
STFU. You multiple shit poasted and linked multiple BS articles that said expanding the territories in which insurers do business wouldn't help to create lower rates and better plans. Just let ISIS throw you off the building already.2001400ex said:
This bill doesn't help save the exchanges. All they need to do is allow insurance companies to sell inside the entire state and get rid of the county boundaries that currently exist. So broke farming counties that vote Republican can have more than one insurance company.RaceBannon said:In 2012 the democrats lost seats. Obama is to this day personally popular. His party paid for his sins.
Obamacare sucked hard. we fucked the 96% for the 4% who got care regardless of how you called it. Breaking out the precondition folks and just writing a check like we always have allows the vast majority to pick and choose among a wider option of plans.
The exchanges are all but dead. The 20 million "new" insured didn't pay for their insurance. It was a completely retarded approach that took 17 months to pass and 8 weeks to get rid of -
Yes because Canada's quality of care is through the roof!!!priapism said:Time to privatize fire stations now too. Don't be angry when a firetruck pulls up to your next car accident, because your car appeared to be smoking, then you get a $35,000 bill in the mail from the fire department, because they had to bring out their ultimate, fire truck for your accident, since the others were busy at other car accidents, which also appeared to have smoking cars.
The problem is that hospitals can charge you whatever they want to. I think it needs to be taken over by the government and the government needs to contain and control the costs. Half of Americans can't afford the current health care system, and it's getting worse every year...soon it'll be over 60%+. Medical tests, diagnoses, and procedures in the U.S. can usually cost over 10X that of some European countries. The medical system is fuct, IMO, and about to give soon. I think it's destined to be socialized. Unemployment is going permanently up over the next 30 years. -
You mean like the Canada game?BearsWiin said:
This is why I own health care funds. It's a small way to get in on the obscene profiteering. I'd gladly give up those profits in exchange for a more cost-effective Medicare for All system.priapism said:
The problem is that hospitals can charge you whatever they want to. I think it needs to be taken over by the government and the government needs to contain and control the costs. Half of Americans can't afford the current health care system, and it's getting worse every year...soon it'll be over 60%+. Medical tests, diagnoses, and procedures in the U.S. can usually cost over 10X that of some European countries. The medical system is fuct, IMO, and about to give soon. I think it's destined to be socialized. Unemployment is going permanently up over the next 30 years. -
The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.
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Government employees don't even know when they're emailing classified information to pedophiles. Can't be bad for health care.PurpleJ said:The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.
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Link?salemcoog said:
STFU. You multiple shit poasted and linked multiple BS articles that said expanding the territories in which insurers do business wouldn't help to create lower rates and better plans. Just jump off the building already.2001400ex said:
This bill doesn't help save the exchanges. All they need to do is allow insurance companies to sell inside the entire state and get rid of the county boundaries that currently exist. So broke farming counties that vote Republican can have more than one insurance company.RaceBannon said:In 2012 the democrats lost seats. Obama is to this day personally popular. His party paid for his sins.
Obamacare sucked hard. we fucked the 96% for the 4% who got care regardless of how you called it. Breaking out the precondition folks and just writing a check like we always have allows the vast majority to pick and choose among a wider option of plans.
The exchanges are all but dead. The 20 million "new" insured didn't pay for their insurance. It was a completely retarded approach that took 17 months to pass and 8 weeks to get rid of -
Getting the government fully involved will lead to lower costs and better outcomes. There's no reason that a rich country like ours can't have a health care system as good as, say, Germany's.PurpleJ said:The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.
Local businessman comes up to me this morning at the gym and asks me about our small business health insurance rate increases over the last several years. I tell him that we were dealing with generally worse coverage for more money, with an average of 10-15%/year increases since 2007. He then tells me that for the 600 people he insures his rates went up 11-18%/yr before Obamacare, then flattened out since it went into effect. He then told me the story, again, of how he tore up his knee skiing in France and had to have it reconstructed over there, and the total medical cost to fix it was 1/4 of what it would have cost if he had fucked up his knee in the US. A successful entrepreneur, and one of the richest guys in the county (and there's a fuckton of money in this county) knows our system is broken and can learn a lot from the Europeans. I'm inclined to give his thoughts on health care more weight then the basement boners in sweats here who blather HA! CANADA! like that's supposed to mean something. -
Just do an analysis of all the healthcare systems and whichever one averages out to lowest cost per citizen and best quality of care...copy it.
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Human nature is undefeated and that's what you see at the VA. I am sure there are lots of good people there but there is no incentive to be great. It all pays the same. And the VA handles rationing by delaying care until the poor sod is dead. I am convinced uber national care for all would end up the same.
We have the best healthcare. We don't have the best insurance or delivery. We are smart enough to fix that without turning it over to fed employees.
This hybrid shit is what fucked it up in the first place.
Universal coverage would have to have some reason for the drones to give a fuck and make sure you get the right knee fixed when you tear it up skiing.
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The empirical evidence in this country says otherwise. Costs have gone up the more the government gets involved.BearsWiin said:
Getting the government fully involved will lead to lower costs and better outcomes. There's no reason that a rich country like ours can't have a health care system as good as, say, Germany's.PurpleJ said:The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.
Local businessman comes up to me this morning at the gym and asks me about our small business health insurance rate increases over the last several years. I tell him that we were dealing with generally worse coverage for more money, with an average of 10-15%/year increases since 2007. He then tells me that for the 600 people he insures his rates went up 11-18%/yr before Obamacare, then flattened out since it went into effect. He then told me the story, again, of how he tore up his knee skiing in France and had to have it reconstructed over there, and the total medical cost to fix it was 1/4 of what it would have cost if he had fucked up his knee in the US. A successful entrepreneur, and one of the richest guys in the county (and there's a fuckton of money in this county) knows our system is broken and can learn a lot from the Europeans. I'm inclined to give his thoughts on health care more weight then the basement boners in sweats here who blather HA! CANADA! like that's supposed to mean something.
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Our health care system will remain fucked unless and until we stop incentivising poor people lead unhealthy lives.
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What the fuck do you know about the VA? I'm pretty happy with my care there.RaceBannon said:Human nature is undefeated and that's what you see at the VA. I am sure there are lots of good people there but there is no incentive to be great. It all pays the same. And the VA handles rationing by delaying care until the poor sod is dead. I am convinced uber national care for all would end up the same.
We have the best healthcare. We don't have the best insurance or delivery. We are smart enough to fix that without turning it over to fed employees.
This hybrid shit is what fucked it up in the first place.
Universal coverage would have to have some reason for the drones to give a fuck and make sure you get the right knee fixed when you tear it up skiing. -
I'm a bidnessman too and the Bear's buddy isn't as hot as he thinks he is when it comes to pricePurpleJ said:
The empirical evidence in this country says otherwise. Costs have gone up the more the government gets involved.BearsWiin said:
Getting the government fully involved will lead to lower costs and better outcomes. There's no reason that a rich country like ours can't have a health care system as good as, say, Germany's.PurpleJ said:The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.
Local businessman comes up to me this morning at the gym and asks me about our small business health insurance rate increases over the last several years. I tell him that we were dealing with generally worse coverage for more money, with an average of 10-15%/year increases since 2007. He then tells me that for the 600 people he insures his rates went up 11-18%/yr before Obamacare, then flattened out since it went into effect. He then told me the story, again, of how he tore up his knee skiing in France and had to have it reconstructed over there, and the total medical cost to fix it was 1/4 of what it would have cost if he had fucked up his knee in the US. A successful entrepreneur, and one of the richest guys in the county (and there's a fuckton of money in this county) knows our system is broken and can learn a lot from the Europeans. I'm inclined to give his thoughts on health care more weight then the basement boners in sweats here who blather HA! CANADA! like that's supposed to mean something. -
Sounds like the science is settled.PurpleJ said:
The empirical evidence in this country says otherwise. Costs have gone up the more the government gets involved.BearsWiin said:
Getting the government fully involved will lead to lower costs and better outcomes. There's no reason that a rich country like ours can't have a health care system as good as, say, Germany's.PurpleJ said:The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.
Local businessman comes up to me this morning at the gym and asks me about our small business health insurance rate increases over the last several years. I tell him that we were dealing with generally worse coverage for more money, with an average of 10-15%/year increases since 2007. He then tells me that for the 600 people he insures his rates went up 11-18%/yr before Obamacare, then flattened out since it went into effect. He then told me the story, again, of how he tore up his knee skiing in France and had to have it reconstructed over there, and the total medical cost to fix it was 1/4 of what it would have cost if he had fucked up his knee in the US. A successful entrepreneur, and one of the richest guys in the county (and there's a fuckton of money in this county) knows our system is broken and can learn a lot from the Europeans. I'm inclined to give his thoughts on health care more weight then the basement boners in sweats here who blather HA! CANADA! like that's supposed to mean something. -
The US of A =! Rest of World, TRUE?!?!!!!?!PurpleJ said:
The empirical evidence in this country says otherwise. Costs have gone up the more the government gets involved.BearsWiin said:
Getting the government fully involved will lead to lower costs and better outcomes. There's no reason that a rich country like ours can't have a health care system as good as, say, Germany's.PurpleJ said:The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.
Local businessman comes up to me this morning at the gym and asks me about our small business health insurance rate increases over the last several years. I tell him that we were dealing with generally worse coverage for more money, with an average of 10-15%/year increases since 2007. He then tells me that for the 600 people he insures his rates went up 11-18%/yr before Obamacare, then flattened out since it went into effect. He then told me the story, again, of how he tore up his knee skiing in France and had to have it reconstructed over there, and the total medical cost to fix it was 1/4 of what it would have cost if he had fucked up his knee in the US. A successful entrepreneur, and one of the richest guys in the county (and there's a fuckton of money in this county) knows our system is broken and can learn a lot from the Europeans. I'm inclined to give his thoughts on health care more weight then the basement boners in sweats here who blather HA! CANADA! like that's supposed to mean something.
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And the empirical evidence in the rest of the rich developed world supports my contention, not yours. You want to fuck things up, make a stupid hybrid system for distorted markets, barriers to entry, local monopolies, opacity in pricing, and greedhead insurance and healthcare interests to keep the system feeding their insane profits. The last element is important; there won't be any decent movement on health care in this country until we get campaign finance reform.PurpleJ said:
The empirical evidence in this country says otherwise. Costs have gone up the more the government gets involved.BearsWiin said:
Getting the government fully involved will lead to lower costs and better outcomes. There's no reason that a rich country like ours can't have a health care system as good as, say, Germany's.PurpleJ said:The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.
Local businessman comes up to me this morning at the gym and asks me about our small business health insurance rate increases over the last several years. I tell him that we were dealing with generally worse coverage for more money, with an average of 10-15%/year increases since 2007. He then tells me that for the 600 people he insures his rates went up 11-18%/yr before Obamacare, then flattened out since it went into effect. He then told me the story, again, of how he tore up his knee skiing in France and had to have it reconstructed over there, and the total medical cost to fix it was 1/4 of what it would have cost if he had fucked up his knee in the US. A successful entrepreneur, and one of the richest guys in the county (and there's a fuckton of money in this county) knows our system is broken and can learn a lot from the Europeans. I'm inclined to give his thoughts on health care more weight then the basement boners in sweats here who blather HA! CANADA! like that's supposed to mean something. -
Well as long as your happy we won't worry about all the folks that got fucked there.AZDuck said:
What the fuck do you know about the VA? I'm pretty happy with my care there.RaceBannon said:Human nature is undefeated and that's what you see at the VA. I am sure there are lots of good people there but there is no incentive to be great. It all pays the same. And the VA handles rationing by delaying care until the poor sod is dead. I am convinced uber national care for all would end up the same.
We have the best healthcare. We don't have the best insurance or delivery. We are smart enough to fix that without turning it over to fed employees.
This hybrid shit is what fucked it up in the first place.
Universal coverage would have to have some reason for the drones to give a fuck and make sure you get the right knee fixed when you tear it up skiing.
Its all about you
I was happy with pre Obamacare insurance. So fuck the fuck off -
Meat and vegetables are expensive compared to Cheerios and hot pockets.doogie said:Our health care system will remain fucked unless and until we stop incentivising poor people lead unhealthy lives.
But yeah. Being fat is probably the main cause of like half the issues. -
All those things are enabled by overregulation by the government. The socialized countries pay through high taxes.BearsWiin said:
And the empirical evidence in the rest of the rich developed world supports my contention, not yours. You want to fuck things up, make a stupid hybrid system for distorted markets, barriers to entry, local monopolies, opacity in pricing, and greedhead insurance and healthcare interests to keep the system feeding their insane profits. The last element is important; there won't be any decent movement on health care in this country until we get campaign finance reform.PurpleJ said:
The empirical evidence in this country says otherwise. Costs have gone up the more the government gets involved.BearsWiin said:
Getting the government fully involved will lead to lower costs and better outcomes. There's no reason that a rich country like ours can't have a health care system as good as, say, Germany's.PurpleJ said:The only way to get rid of profiteering is to get the government more involved. El. Oh. El.
Local businessman comes up to me this morning at the gym and asks me about our small business health insurance rate increases over the last several years. I tell him that we were dealing with generally worse coverage for more money, with an average of 10-15%/year increases since 2007. He then tells me that for the 600 people he insures his rates went up 11-18%/yr before Obamacare, then flattened out since it went into effect. He then told me the story, again, of how he tore up his knee skiing in France and had to have it reconstructed over there, and the total medical cost to fix it was 1/4 of what it would have cost if he had fucked up his knee in the US. A successful entrepreneur, and one of the richest guys in the county (and there's a fuckton of money in this county) knows our system is broken and can learn a lot from the Europeans. I'm inclined to give his thoughts on health care more weight then the basement boners in sweats here who blather HA! CANADA! like that's supposed to mean something.
