With Sark being the consensus favorite to win pac12..
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It takes you all day to use Google? You're dumber than I thoughtpuppylove_sugarsteel said:
Difference? I go off top of my head as I know most everythinh. I dont spend 6 hours googling info like you dipshits. Dres had a chance for a medical I thought. If I wasted my entire day trying to google this shit I couldnt enlighten you all on a daily basis.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
PL_SS:puppylove_sugarsteel said:
Thanks for stating the obvious Teqilla. I was looking for someone who actually watches conference play, knows about the quality teams going into next year, who can bring an opinion on who might challenge USC.Tequilla said:
SC's real competition is Seven ...puppylove_sugarsteel said:Who might challenge him. I see the pac12 as pitiful next year. Stanford and senior Kevin Hogan are their only real competition. Maybe Zona,Oregon...maybe CAL?
It's not that fucking hard to see that.
Utah has a senior qb returning. Can they duplicate defensively to give Travis Wilson a chance? Can they replace Booker at tb? Dres Anderson (not sure if he gets another year)?, who replaces Mannion? Hundley? Mariota? Is this Cal's year with a gunslinging true Jr in Goff?
I just picked a few examples of how you bring chips to the table to make a debate . Saying Sark is too busy picking up waitress's, or USC will implode because of Seven is bullshit. Look at who's coming back. Kessler is prolly the most seasoned senior QB in the country. And the talent around him is comparable to any team in the country, compared to any SEC team going into next year. Can Sark replace Leonard Williams, Nelson Agholor? The seniors on the oline?
See im not just jumping on USC's wagon. Im looking at other pac12 teams and deducing USC has a great chance comparitively.
Who's going to challenge them Teqilla? What's your opinion on that? How do you see it?
And Thomas your pitiful one-liners wont apply here. Care to get involved in an actual football discussion? Isnt that why youre here? Try just once. *yawn* is what I expect.
If you are going to call people out for not bringing enough to the table I expect you to at least get half of your facts right...
Booker is coming back to Utah, he announced a few days ago.
Dres Anderson is done at Utah, if you are an expert like you claim, you should know that.
There were no seniors on USC's oline this year getting significant time. Banner, Toa, Tuerk, Talamaivaoaoa, Mama, Rodgers, Simmons were their main guys. In fact, they only had one senior olineman (Aundrey Walker) who barely played.
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When you use dial up AOL it doesCFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
It takes you all day to use Google? You're dumber than I thoughtpuppylove_sugarsteel said:
Difference? I go off top of my head as I know most everythinh. I dont spend 6 hours googling info like you dipshits. Dres had a chance for a medical I thought. If I wasted my entire day trying to google this shit I couldnt enlighten you all on a daily basis.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
PL_SS:puppylove_sugarsteel said:
Thanks for stating the obvious Teqilla. I was looking for someone who actually watches conference play, knows about the quality teams going into next year, who can bring an opinion on who might challenge USC.Tequilla said:
SC's real competition is Seven ...puppylove_sugarsteel said:Who might challenge him. I see the pac12 as pitiful next year. Stanford and senior Kevin Hogan are their only real competition. Maybe Zona,Oregon...maybe CAL?
It's not that fucking hard to see that.
Utah has a senior qb returning. Can they duplicate defensively to give Travis Wilson a chance? Can they replace Booker at tb? Dres Anderson (not sure if he gets another year)?, who replaces Mannion? Hundley? Mariota? Is this Cal's year with a gunslinging true Jr in Goff?
I just picked a few examples of how you bring chips to the table to make a debate . Saying Sark is too busy picking up waitress's, or USC will implode because of Seven is bullshit. Look at who's coming back. Kessler is prolly the most seasoned senior QB in the country. And the talent around him is comparable to any team in the country, compared to any SEC team going into next year. Can Sark replace Leonard Williams, Nelson Agholor? The seniors on the oline?
See im not just jumping on USC's wagon. Im looking at other pac12 teams and deducing USC has a great chance comparitively.
Who's going to challenge them Teqilla? What's your opinion on that? How do you see it?
And Thomas your pitiful one-liners wont apply here. Care to get involved in an actual football discussion? Isnt that why youre here? Try just once. *yawn* is what I expect.
If you are going to call people out for not bringing enough to the table I expect you to at least get half of your facts right...
Booker is coming back to Utah, he announced a few days ago.
Dres Anderson is done at Utah, if you are an expert like you claim, you should know that.
There were no seniors on USC's oline this year getting significant time. Banner, Toa, Tuerk, Talamaivaoaoa, Mama, Rodgers, Simmons were their main guys. In fact, they only had one senior olineman (Aundrey Walker) who barely played.
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4 years? Fuck, Pete will have UW in title game in 3 years.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Oregon will be back in the title game within 4 years. You can fry, cook, sauté that shit however you prefer.puppylove_sugarsteel said:Blitz, Oregon played and lost the title, past tense. New year and USC will be favored to win the conference over your ducks. Your Mariota window closed for fuck sakes. Get over it. Back to reality for Oregon. A team with a lot of talent and no QB. SC has a senior QB and more talent . Now lets let it play out and see if Coker can coach without Ken Dorsey (Mariota in this analogy for tardos like you know who...j, tommy etc )
Not a slam on your ducks just reality. This is the pac12, oregon is not just the best by default. There's 11 other teams gunning f or a chance to actually win the fucking title. Your chance expired bitch. -
SC has something every other pac12 team besides furd, ASU and Utah doesnt...a senior at qb, plus more talent @ the starting 22 vs a down conference in '15. Sark better win 12. Furd at home. Game @ Cal will be tricky, same with Bercovicisarktastic said:USC has enough talent to win 10 games, easy. With Sark at the helm it's reasona. Sark e for everybody to expect a title game.
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Most meaningless stat ever.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
SC has something every other pac12 team besides furd, ASU and Utah doesnt...a senior at qb, plus more talent @ the starting 22 vs a down conference in '15. Sark better win 12. Furd at home. Game @ Cal will be tricky, same with Bercovicisarktastic said:USC has enough talent to win 10 games, easy. With Sark at the helm it's reasona. Sark e for everybody to expect a title game.
None of the top teams in the conference this past season had a senior playing QB.
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puppylove_sugarsteel said:
4 years? Fuck, Pete will have UW in title game in 3 years.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Oregon will be back in the title game within 4 years. You can fry, cook, sauté that shit however you prefer.puppylove_sugarsteel said:Blitz, Oregon played and lost the title, past tense. New year and USC will be favored to win the conference over your ducks. Your Mariota window closed for fuck sakes. Get over it. Back to reality for Oregon. A team with a lot of talent and no QB. SC has a senior QB and more talent . Now lets let it play out and see if Coker can coach without Ken Dorsey (Mariota in this analogy for tardos like you know who...j, tommy etc )
Not a slam on your ducks just reality. This is the pac12, oregon is not just the best by default. There's 11 other teams gunning f or a chance to actually win the fucking title. Your chance expired bitch.
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Uh, freemont, A senior qb or 4th year jr (4 years in the program or senior in class) has most always determined the pac12 champ. Not always but just about every fucking year you gadammed imbicile. Go back 20 years and do the math.
A senior qb has always been one of the leading factors going into a team's pre-season prognostications. A redshirt junior is the same as a true senior. Stanford and USC both fave seniors...what do you know buttsniffer, they are the favorites. Winston andJones were RS sophomores, but neither were mentioned in pre-season analysis -
Hogan sucks
Kessler sarks
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Kessler isn't anything special...He's only marginally better than most PAC 12 teams' second string QBs.
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oregonblitzkrieg said:
Kessler isn't anything special...He's only
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Final results>>>>>>>>>>>basic bitch level cliche media generalizations with no actual depth to them.puppylove_sugarsteel said:Uh, freemont, A senior qb or 4th year jr (4 years in the program or senior in class) has most always determined the pac12 champ. Not always but just about every fucking year you gadammed imbicile. Go back 20 years and do the math.
A senior qb has always been one of the leading factors going into a team's pre-season prognostications. A redshirt junior is the same as a true senior. Stanford and USC both fave seniors...what do you know buttsniffer, they are the favorites. Winston andJones were RS sophomores, but neither were mentioned in pre-season analysis
Not surprised you buy into that level of analysis though. Retards gonna retard.
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Kessler is really good at throwing the WR screen and slants when his WRs beat DBs by 5 yards.
He's losing most of his talented WRs ...
We know WR screens don't work great against good teams.
Kessler's stats in SC losses last year:
@ BC: 31 of 41 for 317 and 4 TDs (7.7 YPA)
vs ASU: 28 of 45 for 273 and 0 TDs (6.1 YPA)
@ Utah: 24 of 32 for 264 and 1 TD (8.3 YPA)
@ UCLA: 22 of 34 for 214 and 1 TD (6.3 YPA)
Two things stand out here. First, 3 road losses ... standard Seven. Second, the yards per attempt aren't really that great. He averaged 8.5 yards per attempt last year. In each of their losses, he was up to 2.4 yards per attempt less per game.
One of the big criticisms of Seven is that his teams put up huge numbers against overmatched teams ... the numbers above suggest that that is the case. -
Fremont, 75-80% of the national titles are won by upperclassmen QBs. (Now thats an educated estimate Tommy), so dont spend 2 days of research and spring 74% on the bored with your silly little torch vid. Watch more than 2 years of college football and check back. OK twinkle toes?
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Blitz, Kessler is arguably the best returning QB in the COUNTRY.oregonblitzkrieg said:Kessler isn't anything special...He's only margi. Football does exist beyong Eugelly better than most PAC 12 teams' second string QBs.
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Hogan, kessler sucks? Brilliant. Care to state why?AZDuck said:Hogan sucks
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Next you're gonna tell us that USC is better than their record indicates, Sark is the best playcaller in America, Kessler gives 110%, just wait until Sark gets his guys in there, etc.puppylove_sugarsteel said:Fremont, 75-80% of the national titles are won by upperclassmen QBs. (Now thats an educated estimate Tommy), so dont spend 2 days of research and spring 74% on the bored with your silly little torch vid. Watch more than 2 years of college football and check back. OK twinkle toes?
Doogman is calling you. -
Cyler Miles will be a RS JR next year.
I think we can give USC a game in the conference championship.
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As a junior, Hogan didn't exactly set the world on fire:
5th or 6th in the Pac-12 in QB rating his junior year. Don't see him jumping to the head of the class next year.
Kessler could be great, but Sark's gonna Sark.
That's why I said "Kessler sarks."
Not a typo, but you're not smart so I guess I just had to spell it out for ya -
Just for shits and giggles ... last 10 National Championship QBs:puppylove_sugarsteel said:Fremont, 75-80% of the national titles are won by upperclassmen QBs. (Now thats an educated estimate Tommy), so dont spend 2 days of research and spring 74% on the bored with your silly little torch vid. Watch more than 2 years of college football and check back. OK twinkle toes?
2014: Ohio State (JT Barrett - Frosh, Cardale Jones - Soph)
2013: Florida State (Jameis Winston - Frosh)
2012: Alabama (AJ McCarron - Junior)
2011: Alabama (AJ McCarron - Sophomore)
2010: Auburn (Cam Newton - Junior)
2009: Alabama (Greg McElroy - Junior)
2008: Florida (Tim Tebow - Junior)
2007: LSU (Matt Flynn - Senior)
2006: Florida (Chris Leak - Senior)
2005: Texas (Vince Young - Junior)
Now, PL_SS is going to look at that list and puff his chest.
But what's interesting to this list to me is the number of QBs that won with little experience going into the season. Each of the last 2 years that was the case. When McCarron won in 2011 he took over for McElroy. Newton's title came in his first year as a starter. Flynn was a backup to Randle and Russell before starting as a senior.
What I think you can conclude from the list is that the extra maturity that comes with being in your 3rd to 5th year within the program is a helpful trait in winning a national championship, the experience that comes with it of having had 25+ starts going into the season isn't necessarily a predictor of success. If anything, what this list proves is that QBs in college football can be as dependent upon the system and players around them as their own special and unique talents.
Now, before people go twisting, Cyler Miles still sucks as a QB and Jonathan Smith has a "prove it" to me bullseye on himself going forward. -
People forget that PLSS was in full support of Sark through year 5.
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#NeverForgetPurpleJ said:People forget that PLSS was in full support of Sark through year 5.
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Who of the other 11 starting qb in the conference would you take over Kessler for 2015?
Goff.
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TommyHill I gave you an assignment to support your stance that senior and RS Jr QB's returnting is a meaningless stat? Can you once defend yourself on the topic at hand instead of just burping up semen and posting a torch? i know walking is difficult with a sore bum, so crawl to your faggy little pink I phone and post something, anything meaningful.ThomasFremont said:
Next you're gonna tell us that USC is better than their record indicates, Sark is the best playcaller in America, Kessler gives 110%, just wait until Sark gets his guys in there, etc.puppylove_sugarsteel said:Fremont, 75-80% of the national titles are won by upperclassmen QBs. (Now thats an educated estimate Tommy), so dont spend 2 days of research and spring 74% on the bored with your silly little torch vid. Watch more than 2 years of college football and check back. OK twinkle toes?
Doogman is calling you. -
Hogan is ready for a break out year. I don't think it was a coincidence his OL figured it out the same time he started to really click at the end of the season.
Goff is an NFL talent and I wish like hell we had him. I'd take him over Kessler.
Kessler is a better Keith Price. He needs to play great against a good team to break the comparison. Only game KP played outside his mind was against Stanford. That game still hurts. -
I wanted Sark canned right about the time he left. He had a ton of returning starters and a senior QB going into year 5. I wanted him immediately fired after he couldnt beat Oregon at home, and win the north in year 5. Fortunately he quit as he still might be here.PurpleJ said:People forget that PLSS was in full support of Sark through year 5.
I believe a head coach deserves 5 years, as most with a clue agree. Just as Peter should get 5 years. -
puppylove_sugarsteel said:
Blitz, Kessler is arguably the best returning QB in the COUNTRY.oregonblitzkrieg said:Kessler isn't anything special...He's only margi. Football does exist beyong Eugelly better than most PAC 12 teams' second string QBs.
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Real half brains wanted him gone after year three, hth.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
I wanted Sark canned right about the time he left. He had a ton of returning starters and a senior QB going into year 5. I wanted him immediately fired after he couldnt beat Oregon at home, and win the north in year 5. Fortunately he quit as he still might be here.PurpleJ said:People forget that PLSS was in full support of Sark through year 5.
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Naw, I've been called a doog for that. They wanted him gone year one.doogsinparadise said:
Real half brains wanted him gone after year three, hth.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
I wanted Sark canned right about the time he left. He had a ton of returning starters and a senior QB going into year 5. I wanted him immediately fired after he couldnt beat Oregon at home, and win the north in year 5. Fortunately he quit as he still might be here.PurpleJ said:People forget that PLSS was in full support of Sark through year 5.
I believe a head coach deserves 5 years, as most with a clue agree. Just as Peter should get 5 years. -
I wanted him gone year 4, but I'm not a half brain and never claimed to be. What kind of person would pretend to be something they're not?
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Tequilla said:
Just for shits and giggles ... last 10 National Championship QBs:puppylove_sugarsteel said:Fremont, 75-80% of the national titles are won by upperclassmen QBs. (Now thats an educated estimate Tommy), so dont spend 2 days of research and spring 74% on the bored with your silly little torch vid. Watch more than 2 years of college football and check back. OK twinkle toes?
2014: Ohio State (JT Barrett - Frosh, Cardale Jones - Soph)
2013: Florida State (Jameis Winston - Frosh)
2012: Alabama (AJ McCarron - Junior)
2011: Alabama (AJ McCarron - Sophomore)
2010: Auburn (Cam Newton - Junior)
2009: Alabama (Greg McElroy - Junior)
2008: Florida (Tim Tebow - Junior)
2007: LSU (Matt Flynn - Senior)
2006: Florida (Chris Leak - Senior)
2005: Texas (Vince Young - Junior)
Now, PL_SS is going to look at that list and puff his chest.
But what's interesting to this list to me is the number of QBs that won with little experience going into the season. Each of the last 2 years that was the case. When McCarron won in 2011 he took over for McElroy. Newton's title came in his first year as a starter. Flynn was a backup to Randle and Russell before starting as a senior.
What I think you can conclude from the list is that the extra maturity that comes with being in your 3rd to 5th year within the program is a helpful trait in winning a national championship, the experience that comes with it of having had 25+ starts going into the season isn't necessarily a predictor of success. If anything, what this list proves is that QBs in college football can be as dependent upon the system and players around them as their own special and unique talents.
Now, before people go twisting, Cyler Miles still sucks as a QB and Jonathan Smith has a "prove it" to me bullseye on himself going
Seniors and redshirt jr. QB's win more conference titles and National titles, . Just as senior laden Oline and D-lines win the same. Not surprised your dumbass doesnt know this Teqilla. Go back 25 years, 50 years and check. Obviously now more QB's head to the draft as juniors. Cam was a RS jr as he went to as his eligibility started in 2007 at florida . Left blinn in '09 to Auburn in '10-'11 making him the eqivilent of senior, RS-jr in class, which supports my claim.
Teqilla, no wonder Kim ran you off, you just spew diarrhea out your lips we ith no interest in higher discussion. Bout time I send you to the HHB grave with Cockus, Damoan and Fremont.
