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  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    PurpleJ said:

    People forget that PLSS was in full support of Sark through year 5.

    I believe a head coach deserves 5 years, as most with a clue agree. Just as Peter should get 5 years.
    What if Pete goes 0-12 next year? Does he still get an automatic 5 years?
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  • kh83
    kh83 Member Posts: 596
    If Pete goes Owen 12, door ass out. Tarmac style.
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  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    kh83 said:

    If Pete goes Owen 12, door ass out. Tarmac style.

    PLSS would give him a raise.
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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    PurpleJ said:

    People forget that PLSS was in full support of Sark through year 5.

    I wanted Sark canned right about the time he left. He had a ton of returning starters and a senior QB going into year 5. I wanted him immediately fired after he couldnt beat Oregon at home, and win the north in year 5. Fortunately he quit as he still might be here.

    I believe a head coach deserves 5 years, as most with a clue agree. Just as Peter should get 5 years.
    Doog
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  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    Kessler isn't anything special...He's only margi. Football does exist beyong Eugelly better than most PAC 12 teams' second string QBs.

    Blitz, Kessler is arguably the best returning QB in the COUNTRY.
    This deserves a hearty LOL.
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  • puppylove_sugarsteel
    puppylove_sugarsteel Member Posts: 9,133
    PurpleJ said:

    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    PurpleJ said:

    People forget that PLSS was in full support of Sark through year 5.

    I believe a head coach deserves 5 years, as most with a clue agree. Just as Peter should get 5 years.
    What if Pete goes 0-12 next year? Does he still get an automatic 5 years?
    5 years
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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    PurpleJ said:

    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    PurpleJ said:

    People forget that PLSS was in full support of Sark through year 5.

    I believe a head coach deserves 5 years, as most with a clue agree. Just as Peter should get 5 years.
    What if Pete goes 0-12 next year? Does he still get an automatic 5 years?
    5 years
    Doog
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  • puppylove_sugarsteel
    puppylove_sugarsteel Member Posts: 9,133
    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    Kessler isn't anything special...He's only margi. Football does exist beyong Eugelly better than most PAC 12 teams' second string QBs.

    Blitz, Kessler is arguably the best returning QB in the COUNTRY.
    This deserves a hearty LOL.
    Back it up kid. Find me a better
    ThomasFremont said:

    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    PurpleJ said:

    People forget that PLSS was in full support of Sark through year 5.

    I wanted Sark canned right about the time he left. He had a ton of returning starters and a senior QB going into year 5. I wanted him immediately fired after he couldnt beat Oregon at home, and win the north in year 5. Fortunately he quit as he still might be here.

    I believe a head coach deserves 5 years, as most with a clue agree. Just as Peter should get 5 years.
    Doog
    Doog? Anything else?
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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    Kessler isn't anything special...He's only margi. Football does exist beyong Eugelly better than most PAC 12 teams' second string QBs.

    Blitz, Kessler is arguably the best returning QB in the COUNTRY.
    This deserves a hearty LOL.
    Back it up kid. Find me a better
    ThomasFremont said:

    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    PurpleJ said:

    People forget that PLSS was in full support of Sark through year 5.

    I wanted Sark canned right about the time he left. He had a ton of returning starters and a senior QB going into year 5. I wanted him immediately fired after he couldnt beat Oregon at home, and win the north in year 5. Fortunately he quit as he still might be here.

    I believe a head coach deserves 5 years, as most with a clue agree. Just as Peter should get 5 years.
    Doog
    Doog? Anything else?

    Plenty more, but doog will do.
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  • puppylove_sugarsteel
    puppylove_sugarsteel Member Posts: 9,133
    You were my 100th reply. You now hold a special place in my heart Thomass. We did it together ;-)
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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    You were my 100th reply. You now hold a special place in my heart Thomass. We did it together ;-)

    Congratulations, Bran.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    Tequilla said:

    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    Fremont, 75-80% of the national titles are won by upperclassmen QBs. (Now thats an educated estimate Tommy), so dont spend 2 days of research and spring 74% on the bored with your silly little torch vid. Watch more than 2 years of college football and check back. OK twinkle toes?

    Just for shits and giggles ... last 10 National Championship QBs:

    2014: Ohio State (JT Barrett - Frosh, Cardale Jones - Soph)
    2013: Florida State (Jameis Winston - Frosh)
    2012: Alabama (AJ McCarron - Junior)
    2011: Alabama (AJ McCarron - Sophomore)
    2010: Auburn (Cam Newton - Junior)
    2009: Alabama (Greg McElroy - Junior)
    2008: Florida (Tim Tebow - Junior)
    2007: LSU (Matt Flynn - Senior)
    2006: Florida (Chris Leak - Senior)
    2005: Texas (Vince Young - Junior)

    Now, PL_SS is going to look at that list and puff his chest.

    But what's interesting to this list to me is the number of QBs that won with little experience going into the season. Each of the last 2 years that was the case. When McCarron won in 2011 he took over for McElroy. Newton's title came in his first year as a starter. Flynn was a backup to Randle and Russell before starting as a senior.

    What I think you can conclude from the list is that the extra maturity that comes with being in your 3rd to 5th year within the program is a helpful trait in winning a national championship, the experience that comes with it of having had 25+ starts going into the season isn't necessarily a predictor of success. If anything, what this list proves is that QBs in college football can be as dependent upon the system and players around them as their own special and unique talents.

    Now, before people go twisting, Cyler Miles still sucks as a QB and Jonathan Smith has a "prove it" to me bullseye on himself going forward.
    All I saw was SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC
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  • dhdawg
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    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    PurpleJ said:

    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    PurpleJ said:

    People forget that PLSS was in full support of Sark through year 5.

    I believe a head coach deserves 5 years, as most with a clue agree. Just as Peter should get 5 years.
    What if Pete goes 0-12 next year? Does he still get an automatic 5 years?
    5 years
    you said Brady Hoke needed 5 years, case closed
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    dhdawg said:

    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    PurpleJ said:

    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    PurpleJ said:

    People forget that PLSS was in full support of Sark through year 5.

    I believe a head coach deserves 5 years, as most with a clue agree. Just as Peter should get 5 years.
    What if Pete goes 0-12 next year? Does he still get an automatic 5 years?
    5 years
    you said Brady Hoke needed 5 years, case closed
    I'm still pissed that Gilby and Ty didn't get their full five years.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    Tequilla said:

    I like to ask for intelligent football conversation ...

    Then when you get football talk you need an anal bleaching for how puckered your ass gets

    PL_SS playbook 101

    YBE
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    Tequilla said:

    Kessler is really good at throwing the WR screen and slants when his WRs beat DBs by 5 yards.

    He's losing most of his talented WRs ...

    We know WR screens don't work great against good teams.

    Kessler's stats in SC losses last year:

    @ BC: 31 of 41 for 317 and 4 TDs (7.7 YPA)

    vs ASU: 28 of 45 for 273 and 0 TDs (6.1 YPA)

    @ Utah: 24 of 32 for 264 and 1 TD (8.3 YPA)

    @ UCLA: 22 of 34 for 214 and 1 TD (6.3 YPA)

    Two things stand out here. First, 3 road losses ... standard Seven. Second, the yards per attempt aren't really that great. He averaged 8.5 yards per attempt last year. In each of their losses, he was up to 2.4 yards per attempt less per game.

    One of the big criticisms of Seven is that his teams put up huge numbers against overmatched teams ... the numbers above suggest that that is the case.

    this, kessler like sark beat up on bad teams and was mediocre against good competition.
    Best returning QB in the country? el oh el
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  • CFetters_Nacho_Lover
    CFetters_Nacho_Lover Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 32,250 Founders Club
    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    Fremont, 75-80% of the national titles are won by upperclassmen QBs. (Now thats an educated estimate Tommy), so dont spend 2 days of research and spring 74% on the bored with your silly little torch vid. Watch more than 2 years of college football and check back. OK twinkle toes?

    75-80% of the national titles are won by upperclassmen QBs for a reason.

    Typically, an overwhelming majority of national titles are won by greats coaches with exceptions in the cases of guys like Larry Coker and Gene Chidzik.

    Great coaches build programs on some type of foundation that includes a process where they try to build up team depth through red-shirting and effective roster management.

    That process by itself tends to produce teams that are predominantly built around upperclassmen including at the QB position but in now way does that mean an upperclassmen QB by itself is an indicator a team will win a conference or national championship.

    And if you wanted to dig a little deeper (like your Dawgman buddy Kim would suggest ;) <--------faggoty wink), you'd also understand that the majority of national champions are from the days when freshmen were automatically red-shirted but that's too much thinking for a scholar like PLSSFS.
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  • steelheader2
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    QB's better than Kessler..........................just go to Ohio St(they have 3 that are) Braxton Miller for sure, Barrett and Cardale Jones is only one who may not be but he has won more big games than Kessler has in his career. That being said if we had Kessler this past year = 10 wins at least no doubt
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  • puppylove_sugarsteel
    puppylove_sugarsteel Member Posts: 9,133
    Is Jones better than Kessler? He's started 3 fucking games. JT Barrett? 11 games. Boy what a resume for comparison. Does ohio st have the better team? Think that might have helped a little? In the consensus worst conference of 5? Delusional !
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  • ThomasFremont
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    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    Is Jones better than Kessler? He's started 3 fucking games. JT Barrett? 11 games. Boy what a resume for comparison. Does ohio st have the better team? Think that might have helped a little? In the consensus worst conference of 5? Delusional !

    Looks like the village idiot finally woke up.
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  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    Why such a long thread about an irrelevant team with an irrelevant QB? We may as well be talking about Minnesota here.

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  • Tequilla
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    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    Is Jones better than Kessler? He's started 3 fucking games. JT Barrett? 11 games. Boy what a resume for comparison. Does ohio st have the better team? Think that might have helped a little? In the consensus worst conference of 5? Delusional !

    Jones won a national championship and beat Oregon and Alabama - has your boy Kessler done that? How about Sark in general?

    Barrett was on his way to being a potential Heisman finalist this year - how about Kessler?

    Miller has already led Ohio State to a 12-0 regular season - has Kessler come close to that at USC?

    Fuck the records ... they won a championship ... which is better than Seven and Kessler will sniff at USC.

    And since you are touting up Seven and Kessler for next season as the surefire PAC champion which means that they'll be in the running for a National Championship, kind of hard to switch your logic now and start talking about QBs that have better teams around them AFTER you're theory that junior/senior QBs are doing all the winning has had more than a few holes poked into it.

    And what's amusing to me is that you're backing SC for next season when you can just as easily argue that they will be WORSE next year given their losses at RB/WR and the entire Front Seven on defense.

    Good to see that you are continuing to stick your foot in your mouth.
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  • whatshouldicareabout
    whatshouldicareabout Member Posts: 12,990
    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    Is Jones better than Kessler? He's started 3 fucking games. JT Barrett? 11 games. Boy what a resume for comparison. Does ohio st have the better team? Think that might have helped a little? In the consensus worst conference of 5? Delusional !

    Of course the fuck he is. He won a fucking national championship.
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  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    True doogs have an inherent love for anything USC. It's as if USC success somehow validates and benefits their own program. It's understandable that doogs repine for the glory days of being USC's sidekick in the PAC 12. Robin wants to reunite with his buddy Batman. His discipline hole just hasn't been the same since duck dick replaced Trojan wood. And he dreams of stroking Batman's trophies like he used to do in the days of yore.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,750 Founders Club
    *pine
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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,696 Founders Club
    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    True doogs have an inherent love for anything USC. It's as if USC success somehow validates and benefits their own program. It's understandable that doogs repine for the glory days of being USC's sidekick in the PAC 12. Robin wants to reunite with his buddy Batman. His discipline hole just hasn't been the same since duck dick replaced Trojan wood. And he dreams of stroking Batman's trophies like he used to do in the days of yore.

    You're a fucking moron.
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  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    True doogs have an inherent love for anything USC. It's as if USC success somehow validates and benefits their own program. It's understandable that doogs repine for the glory days of being USC's sidekick in the PAC 12. Robin wants to reunite with his buddy Batman. His discipline hole just hasn't been the same since duck dick replaced Trojan wood. And he dreams of stroking Batman's trophies like he used to do in the days of yore.

    OBK's not entirely out of line here. I can remember lots of doogasms shared between Troogs and Doogs talking about how cool it was when they ruled the Pac together - that sentiment is definitely out there among a retarded section of the UW fanbase. I don't think there's much of it here, but this place has been doogin pretty hard since the Great Doogasm of January 12
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